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00:05.09denixgood night all
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00:49.55_hcanyone here use distcc with oe?
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01:50.00kholzerAnyone know how subversion access works in bitbake?  I'm trying to login with a different user for certain packages than others...any suggestions?
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09:21.00slapinhi, all!
09:21.24slapinis it possible to generate locales using qemu in XEN environment?
09:21.40slapinit just segfaults for me :(
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11:20.50pb_slapin: Xen shouldn't make any difference.
11:21.13pb_What distribution are you running on your build host?  I think qemu does have trouble with some versions of Red Hat.
11:25.47slapinpb_, I run Debian testing inside XEN, and qemu segfaults, which is not case with normal box.
11:26.48slapinpb_, it runs ok with OpenVZ, but I can't change my xen configuration since it is at service provider.
11:28.35pb_slapin: ah, fair enough.  I guess you have to debug why it crashes.
11:31.43CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * rac2e88d3... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/gnome-desktop_2.22.2.bb): gnome-desktop: update to 2.22.2
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11:40.25florianhi mickeyl
11:40.31mickeylyo florian
11:40.39mickeylhow can we proceed with OE e.v.?
11:40.44mickeylDo we need a conference call next week
11:40.45mickeyl?
11:40.54mickeylthis takes all too long, tbh.
11:41.10florianmickeyl: Yes, sounds like a plan. Should help to speed things up.
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11:41.50pb_florian: good morning
11:41.52pb_mickeyl: good morning
11:42.01florianhi pb_
11:42.10mickeylmorning pb_
11:42.14CIA-303john_lee 07org.oe.dev * r4303b4d9... 10/ (1 packages/dbus/dbus.inc packages/dbus/dbus_1.2.1.bb): (log message trimmed)
11:42.14CIA-3dbus: enable x support and put dbus-launch into new package dbus-x11
11:42.15CIA-3* Enable x support only add rdepends to dbus-launch. Make it a
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11:42.18CIA-3* This solves the problem that if you restart X for multiple times,
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11:42.46florianhrm... I have an old email in my inbox that seems to freeze my mua :-/
11:44.04mickeyljohncylee: excellent!
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12:02.43CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * r626f4d1d... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): gnome-themes: update to 2.22.2
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12:04.04zeckemoin
12:07.29CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * r7f3c3e5a... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): eel: update to 2.22.2
12:07.59cbrakeany opinions on Vala?  I'm currently re-writing a small app in it, and wonder what other people think of it.
12:09.39zeckecbrake: mickeyl loves it :)
12:10.09zeckecbrake: I'm sceptical but don't have first hand experience. I ready the blog entries where people have to fix the "translator/compiler" instead of writing code :)
12:10.20mickeylVala is da bomb
12:10.34mickeyleven C++ started as a translator
12:10.56mickeylseriously, Vala is the only sane future of glib/gobject programming IMO
12:11.13zecke:)
12:11.16mickeyl(if you don't want to use a scripting language, that's even better)
12:11.20CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * r42f804f1... 10/ (1 packages/angstrom/angstrom-x11-base-depends.bb): angstrom-x11-base-depends: add dbus-x11
12:13.49cbrakemickeyl: :-) the app I'm re-writing is a small device managagment app that I wrote in C#, but we can't tolerate the 8 second startup time.
12:14.00mickeyl*nod*
12:14.06mickeylno go for python or ruby then
12:14.17mickeyl(if you don't want quicklaunch technology)
12:14.46cbrakemy biggest complaint with Vala is lack of examples and documentation -- it seems that figuring out how to use the API is mostly experimentation and groking vapi files at this point.
12:15.56mickeylwell, there 10 or 20 examples
12:16.00mickeylbut yes, no real documentation
12:16.01CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * rdb7aa3c6... 10/ (1 packages/nautilus/nautilus_2.22.5.bb): nautilus: update to 2.22.5
12:16.16alphaonejohncylee: I think your update breaks my build..
12:16.19mickeylsince they still change the language, i would do the same though
12:16.22alphaoneERROR: '['/home/alphaone/oe-dev/org.openembedded.dev/packages/dbus/dbus-native_1.2.1.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'dbus-native-x11' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables
12:16.31cbrakemickeyl: nod
12:21.35mickeylalphaone: *fixing*
12:21.48alphaonemickeyl: I think I found it
12:22.05alphaonejust switching the include/require lines helped
12:22.19mickeyl?
12:22.27alphaoneAt least bitbake doesn't complain any more..
12:22.28mickeylwe need to yank the RDEPENDS and RRECOMMENDS for the -native packgae
12:22.50alphaoneEh, right
12:23.01alphaoneThat I also changed :-)
12:23.04mickeylaah
12:23.15mickeyllet me push it, i have also a stylechange
12:23.25pb_yeah, vala seems pretty awesome.  personally I would like GLib bindings for objective-c, but I guess one can't have everything.
12:23.48johncyleemickeyl, alphaone: oops, sorry
12:23.54mickeylpb_: *nod*
12:23.59mickeylobjC support would rock
12:24.05mickeyljohncylee: no problem, fix underway
12:24.15alphaonejohncylee: No problem
12:24.47pb_admittedly objective-c is, in some ways, teh suck, but we have been using it in my company for a few years and it works pretty well for the most part.
12:25.05mickeyli'm slowly falling in love with it
12:25.14mickeylusing it on some platform that must not be named
12:25.18pb_heh
12:25.19mickeyl:D
12:25.39alphaonemickeyl: Strange, just putting inherit native on top did fix it
12:25.40pb_my main complaint is that selectors don't carry any type information
12:25.53mickeylpb_: oh yes, that's a huge miss
12:26.13mickeylalphaone: indeed strange
12:26.13CIA-303mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9fa03717... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): uicmoc4-native: remove all versions that do not build, keep the only working one
12:26.16pb_i.e. if you have SEL foo = @selector(myMethodWith:someParameter), and later you want to call through that SEL, there is nothing to stop you accidentally getting either the args or the return value completely wrong.
12:26.17CIA-303mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r80177ad8... 10/ (1 packages/dbus/dbus-native_1.2.1.bb packages/dbus/dbus.inc): dbus-native: yank RRECOMMENDS and RDEPENDS
12:26.37pb_the return value in particular has screwed us up on numerous occasions when we accidentally made our methods return void.
12:26.44mickeylpb_: uh oh, i can imagine
12:26.44zeckepb_: you like objective c?
12:27.09pb_zecke: apart from the above, yes
12:27.16zeckepb_: cool!
12:27.36pb_I wrote a UPnP stack in objective c a couple of months ago and it was a fairly painless experience.
12:27.40zeckepb_: how is the GNU runtime? how is it compared to apples one? is gc, properties and the hyped stuff of objective-c 2.0 coming?
12:27.58zeckeare... damn... it is too early to use proper grammar
12:28.24mickeyli for one, love the fact, that you can mix C++ and C in objC(++)
12:29.43pb_zecke: I think it's had GC for some time, though we don't actually use that feature ourselves
12:30.05pb_there's certainly an --enable-objc-gc option to configure which I think includes the boehm gc in the runtime
12:31.16pb_not sure about objective-c 2.0.  I don't think much/any of that other stuff is in the gnu runtime yet.
12:31.27pb_personally I have never really used the apple runtime so I don't know what I am missing :-}
12:32.23pb_lunchtime, brb
12:32.34mickeyl~bon appetit
12:32.34ibotmethinks bon appetit is smacznego.  Guten Appetit.  Eet Smakelijk.  God Appetitt.  Buon Appetito.  Buen apetito  Bom Apetite. buen apetito  Smaklig måltid!.  Hyvää ruokahalua.  Bo Proveito
12:34.07CIA-303mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rff89d579... 10/ (1 packages/dbus/dbus-native_1.2.1.bb): dbus-native 1.2.1 fix it for real (see previous commit)
12:36.27ynezz+ Dobrou chut
12:38.32zeckestefan_schmidt: could you take a look at the refcounting of dbus messages in illume's batget?
12:38.49zeckemickeyl: I don't know if you can do this with the stock GNU cc :)
12:39.24stefan_schmidtzecke: Batget does not have dbus msg's
12:40.30mickeylzecke: ah well
12:40.42mickeylzecke: my sole use for objc is on apple platforms though
12:40.49mickeylyet
12:41.09zeckestefan_schmidt: sorry gsmget :)
12:41.18zeckestefan_schmidt: and I know that it moved to illume itself
12:41.38stefan_schmidtzecke: gsmget is no more. All dbus is handles in the gadget itself now
12:41.43zeckestefan_schmidt: we had a report that gsmget leaks, then it was moved to illume, now e leaks..
12:41.43stefan_schmidtzecke: heh
12:42.00stefan_schmidtzecke: I can take a look later
12:42.20stefan_schmidtzecke: Raster fixed some stuff yesterday
12:42.37stefan_schmidtzecke: I'll take a look anyway
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12:46.43zeckestefan_schmidt: it would be very welcome. even if you could give me an answer like "fixed in ..."
12:46.46zecke:)
12:48.06stefan_schmidtzecke: Are you sure that it leaks dbus msg and nothing else? Raster fixed a wrongly set dbus signal handler yesterday not sure if that would lead to the leakage
12:56.52zeckestefan_schmidt: it leaks so badly fork fails :)
12:57.04zeckestefan_schmidt: it leaks so badly that fork fails :)
12:57.16zeckestefan_schmidt: it is from a user report but from a user i trust on this
12:58.09stefan_schmidtzecke: wow, that's bad. Do you plan to update a newer version without gsmget or backport fixes? (Later could get tricky as a lot get rewritten)
12:59.03zeckestefan_schmidt: upgrade...
12:59.18stefan_schmidtzecke: good, I let you know my findings later
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13:01.04zeckestefan_schmidt: cool :)
13:01.22zeckehttp://flickr.com/photos/16845425@N00/2830648062/sizes/o/ <- I'm quite happy
13:02.03alphaoneNOTE: package illume-0.0+svnrSRCREVINACTION""-r13: task do_fetch: started
13:02.12alphaoneAny clue what that might be?
13:02.22zeckelol
13:02.29zeckealphaone: that is an internal bitbake flag :)
13:02.39zeckealphaone: go to bed and sleep
13:02.51alphaone?
13:03.13zeckealphaone: it is obviously not your day (dbus breakage, funny bitbake things)
13:03.48alphaonezecke: Well, it wont get better I assume
13:04.23alphaoneThis sort of stuff always happens after some time not using bitbake
13:04.29stefan_schmidtzecke: What is the goal of your current webkit hacking?
13:05.11zeckestefan_schmidt: Implement DIMS (parts of it)
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13:05.27stefan_schmidtzecke: What does DIMS stand for?
13:05.35stefan_schmidtzecke: ...interactive...?
13:06.30zeckestefan_schmidt: stefan_schmidt http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/specs/html-info/26142.htm
13:06.52stefan_schmidtzecke: argh, 3gpp again. It feels they are everywhere... ;)
13:07.13zeckestefan_schmidt: they are? but why again?
13:07.16zeckestefan_schmidt: it is better than OMA
13:07.58stefan_schmidtzecke: I had to much part at alphaone *fun* with PDU mode :)
13:08.59stefan_schmidt-> food
13:09.08zeckemy current favorite is w3c.org... they are as bad as every other spec but have test cases
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14:30.34pb_hello mickeymobile
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14:31.58likewiseHopsNBarley: hey!
14:32.19HopsNBarleyhi likewise - finally back from mucho travel.
14:32.31likewisepb_: yes, it's his in-car navigation system that can ask for directions on #oe
14:33.03pb_ah yes, of course
14:33.12likewiseHopsNBarley: mucho far-awayo?
14:33.39HopsNBarley6k round trip: florida and back.
14:34.09HopsNBarleyhi likewise - finally back from mucho travel.
14:34.15HopsNBarleywhoops!
14:34.32likewiseHopsNBarley: np, I can deal with some redundancy
14:34.34pb_back again?  that was a short trip
14:34.55likewiseHopsNBarley: ok, that's a decent trip indeed. I have to pickup my girlfriend in town centre. bbiab
14:35.08HopsNBarleysee ya.
14:36.10mickeylhmm
14:36.18mickeylmobile IRC clients suck
14:36.22mickeylsoftkeyboards as well
14:36.24mickeyl*shrug*
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14:40.56khemgood morning to all
14:41.01bin1010moinall
14:41.42w_eraseHi... I'm new to OE, and I'd like to understand this message : ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-base *  angstrom-version * . Anyone could explain me where to look ?
14:41.46khemIs there a way to edit the shlib dependenies in executables without relinking ?
14:43.33khemw_erase: what image are you building
14:45.02bin1010w_erase:  I don't know if you are already doing this, but I find it helpful $ bitbake -DDD blah-blah >output.out 2>>output.out .... The DDD increases logging and then I search the output.out file to see if there is more detail/hints about were things are going wrong.
14:45.57w_erasekhem : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Development
14:46.07bin1010w_erase: i am not looking at it right now, but I think you can have upto 4 D for the logging...can someone confirm
14:46.35w_erasebin1010, thx !
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14:48.19stefan_schmidtalphaone: I run into the same problem with illume do_fetch. Let me know if you found the problem
14:48.50khemw_erase: you can also dump the dependency graphs using bitbake -g <your target> and then inspect them
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14:50.49like|bbiabkhem: morning khem
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14:56.56hansso I am trying to build angstrom and openmoko distros, is it ok to use the same "stuff" tree for both?
14:56.58HopsNBarleyhi khem, how's it going?
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14:57.28blathijsAnyone who can tell me what openembedded actually is? I can't seem to find an introduction on the oe website anywhere..
14:57.41hansI have successfully built angstrom images, but I have now switched over to openmoko, and fakeroot-native-1.7.1 won't build, it dies on configure
14:57.58HopsNBarleyblathijs, i view it as a linux distribution construction kit.
14:57.59hansblathijs: oe is a build system for creating embedded linux distributions
14:58.46hanslike angstrom, openmoko, poky, slugos
15:01.25w_erasekhem, thx for the tip
15:03.03blathijshans: But I guess it only works for the distros that have been built using oe?
15:03.39blathijsDoes oe also define a package format and/or file system layout, etc?
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15:17.48CIA-303stefan 07org.oe.dev * rd131b2a9... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/fso-autorev.inc): fso-autorev.inc: Fix illume autorev
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15:24.25alphaonestefan_schmidt: No go here...
15:24.35alphaoneI even wiped tmp, but no luck
15:26.57hansblathijs: I think OE can use .deb. and .ipk, it seems to be vaguely debian based
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16:39.53denixhow can I set a preferred provider for a runtime library?
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17:44.05methril|laptophi someone up and working?
17:44.40methril|laptopi need to understand the do_populate_staging, i have a Error in this step doing a git-native
17:45.58kergoth`workmulls over alternative oe file formats
17:50.41methril|laptopre
17:50.50methril|laptopi get out of connection for a while
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18:28.04pb__kergoth`work: good morning
18:28.13pb__hi flo_lap
18:28.22flo_lapre
18:32.25kergoth`workhey pb_
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19:02.16zeckethe git mirror should be online again
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19:06.26denixwohoo!
19:06.43zeckegit was not able to open enough files
19:06.48zeckegit-repack fixed it for now...
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19:24.53kergoth`workheh
19:25.02kergoth`workwhere are you working again?
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19:25.48woglindezecke hehe
19:25.56woglindezecke seems you were rude again
19:26.03kergoth`workah
19:26.05woglindeI would talk to your manager too
19:26.08woglinde*g*
19:26.13zecke<PROTECTED>
19:26.25woglindewhich one?
19:26.41zeckewoglinde: the really dirty ones.. well they are equally dirty
19:26.53zeckebbl
19:27.03woglinde:)
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19:33.25kergoth`workhmm, lets say an upstream developer had a basic bitbake recipe, but lacking packaging/files information.. say you move packaging decisions into the hands of distro policy.. i think thatd be clean, but the upstream dev knows what he depends on, so you'd run into discrepencies in package naming/splitting when expressing the runtime dependencies of the package..
19:34.02kergoth`workwonders about the possibility of file level dependency, not just cross package/system like rpm has done (depend on /bin/sh), but also dependency among files in a package
19:36.34kergoth`worki'd think 99% of it could be automated, just associations between files and documentation would be hard to represent, and auxilliary files would have to be manual
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19:50.19woglindere zecke
19:53.13zeckewow, I'm a bit pissed off
19:53.45mwestersays it wasn't he -- this time!
19:57.28woglindezecke hm
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20:44.23woglindehi polyonymous
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20:47.27woglindehi bluelightning
20:47.42bluelightninghi woglinde
20:55.05woglindeah nice libxcomp did compile
20:55.10woglindenext step nxproxy
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21:01.33thesingmorning all
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21:03.06woglindehi thesing
21:03.08woglindehi ant
21:03.21ant__hello woglinde
21:03.41ant__thesing: he he kopfwasch...
21:03.50ant__wie immer von K.
21:04.48thesingant__: he has a valid point
21:04.55ant__hm... I don't see anything different from linux-rp-2.6.2x
21:05.15ant__(defconfigs)
21:05.43thesinglinux-rp is not the best kernel recipe in oe.
21:06.06ant__well, all for zaurus is ackward
21:06.19ant__because of the proprietary origin :-)
21:06.26thesingand mostl other recipes use machine dirs.
21:06.36ant__I'd just ask RP
21:06.49thesingI think RP just didn't want to mess with existing kernel recipe.
21:07.57thesingI think the kernel build process in oe needs some love.
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21:11.53ant__woglinde: btw linux-kexecboot would be a trivial port on simpad
21:13.04ant__just dunno if you need it..if you have no space limits you could just use the uclibc initramfs-bootmenu-image
21:16.03woglindeant I only wanted a easy way for nfsboot
21:17.13woglindeor start from my cf card
21:17.37woglindeso i can safe cycles on the internal flash
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21:18.09ant__and time (several partitions supported on CF/SD)
21:18.56ant__4gb flash costs around 20 -30 eur
21:19.54ant__thesing: I have one strange mini-issue... after choosing the boot source and pressing OK the screen is somehow corrupted for a moment, before kexec. This did not happen with the first versions
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21:20.20ant__really a no issue
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21:20.59woglindeant yeah but with cf I have no network
21:21.11woglindebecause of the one pcmcia slot
21:21.27ant__ok, I use CF for Bluetooth
21:21.43ant__or ethernet at home
21:21.57ant__do you have usb on simpad ?
21:22.40thesingthere is usb-client on simpad. But I don't think that the current kernel has the necessary patch.
21:22.56ant__it seems zaurus have even been reported to boot from usb
21:23.12ant__same usb-client on c7x0
21:23.16woglindeant yes but it is crappy
21:23.21ant__iirc
21:23.27woglindebecause of armv4 architecture and sa1100
21:23.46ant__he, it seems 2.6.27 would be better
21:23.56woglindeant?
21:24.07ant__1 sec
21:24.29ant__http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2008-September/thread.html
21:24.30woglindethesing the last stuff I see was 2 years ago in the balloon cvs
21:24.32ant__bottom
21:24.40woglindethat wasnt working well
21:25.22ant__stanislav and dmitry are our beloved kernel hackers....
21:25.26thesingThere is a patch from balloon that I got working on collie.
21:25.32ant__thesing too ;-)
21:25.49thesingI could ping through usb.
21:25.53thesingant__: ;)
21:26.34woglindethesing yes ping
21:26.39woglindebut ssh is pain
21:27.11woglindeand data transfer is the ko
21:27.12thesingWell its a point where one can start from.
21:27.14ant__what does it mean:  For more recent kernels you'll need to fix one line - change
21:27.14ant__#include <linux/usb_gadget.h> to #include <linux/usb/gadget.h>
21:27.25ant__fixed ?
21:27.36woglindethesing I really looked into it
21:27.45woglindeand dont understood much
21:27.55woglindehow the usb stuff works
21:28.07woglindeand there were many workarounds
21:28.10woglindefor silicon bugs
21:28.29thesingI think one needs to read part of the usb spec and the usb part of SA Manual to do serious work on that driver.
21:28.38woglindeyes
21:28.40woglindebut not me
21:28.42ant__well, I know usb can work, by luck, but usually does not
21:29.06woglindeand there will be no other
21:29.11woglindebescause armv4 is dead
21:30.17thesingWell there are still a bunch of people that work on debian for 68K processors.
21:30.43woglindethesing yes I know
21:30.44thesingcollie and simpad are quite cheap now and they are far from useless.
21:31.22woglindeah nice
21:31.28woglindenow libxcomp is in shape
21:31.50woglindenext step nxproxy nad nxcl tommorrow which will be easier
21:31.55woglindeand then qtnx
21:31.59woglindeand oe has nx supporr
21:32.00woglindet
21:32.14thesingI know two persons who said that they wan't to look at that usb driver.
21:32.54woglindethesing who? *g*
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21:33.42thesinggremlin and Christian Varga
21:35.05woglindewant? or won't?
21:35.13thesingwant
21:35.31woglindehm
21:35.38ant__thesing: the actual c7x0 kexecboot kernel w/out net is 1164604
21:35.54woglindego crappy mtn
21:35.59woglindeI want to get in my bed
21:36.07woglindeah done
21:36.08woglindenite
21:36.16thesingnite
21:36.31thesingant__: is this small enough?
21:36.50ant__thesing: yes, >250kb left, but I'd restart copying the ones in linux-rp-2.6.26
21:37.02ant__hrw did some fix to sound on c7x0
21:37.18ant__and dmitry / stanisalv did edit the configs
21:37.24ant__in the last weeks
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21:37.33CIA-3libxcomp: inital release
21:37.33CIA-3* sa_restorer is taken from latest debian unstable package
21:37.34CIA-3* first step for nx-client support in openembedded
21:40.23CIA-303 <woglinde2@openembedded.org> 07master * rd2e90f61be 10OE.dev/packages/libxcomp/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
21:40.23CIA-3libxcomp: inital release
21:40.23CIA-3* sa_restorer is taken from latest debian unstable package
21:40.23CIA-3* first step for nx-client support in openembedded
21:40.25CIA-303 <woglinde2@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * rd2e90f61be 10OE.dev/packages/libxcomp/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
21:40.25CIA-3libxcomp: inital release
21:40.29CIA-3* sa_restorer is taken from latest debian unstable package
21:40.31CIA-3* first step for nx-client support in openembedded
21:40.36CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * rbda06e19... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): gdb: add 6.7.1 with avr32 support
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21:40.45ant__thesing: is in zaurus-2.6.inc
21:40.46ant__KERNEL_IMAGE_MAXSIZE = "1294336"
21:40.46ant__KERNEL_IMAGE_MAXSIZE_collie = "1048576"
21:41.07ant__1408k is uboot :-)
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21:49.23ant__oops wrong window
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21:52.17tharveyanyone know why creating a test-base-image.bb that simply does a 'DISTRO_INIT_MANAGER = ""  require packages/images/base-image.bb' does 'not' keep sysvinit from appearing in the image?  It would appear that DISTRO_INIT_MANAGER is not seen by task-boot
21:53.34thesingtharvey: I think its because the task is parsed before the image
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21:55.09tharveythesing, ah... because tasks are not included/required they are always in namespace?
21:55.36denixCrofton: when is a good time to ping you?
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21:57.00denixanybody knows about libssp?
21:57.30thesingtharvey: hm. looking at this in more detail I think the task and the image get parse separately (they don't include each other)
21:57.52tharveyright... I noticed no inclusion of task anywhere other than by name
21:58.52tharveyso are all tasks 'evaluated' prior to parsing a recipe then?  Meaning all vars defined are considered defaults
21:58.53thesingi think the image set a DEPEND on IMAGE_INSTALL and image.bbclass installs everything to some dir an packages it.
21:59.27thesingtharvey: the tasks are evaluated when they are build. Which is before the image is build.
22:01.00thesingtharvey: if you don't want initscripts in your image don't use a task that include them I guess.
22:02.59tharveywell cearly the task was designed so that init is a variable (DISTRO_INIT_MANAGER) - I'm just trying to understand where that variable can be set
22:03.19tharveyit would appear that you can 'not' set it in a recipe so that means it must be set in a conf
22:03.43tharveywhich describes the behavior I'm seeing, but certainly is not intuitive
22:04.20ant__andrea@mizar /oe/org.openembedded.dev $ grep -R DISTRO_INIT_MANAGER .
22:04.20ant__./conf/distro/openprotium.conf:DISTRO_INIT_MANAGER = "sysvinit"
22:04.20ant__./packages/tasks/task-boot.bb:DISTRO_INIT_MANAGER ?= "sysvinit sysvinit-pidof"
22:04.20ant__./packages/tasks/task-boot.bb:    ${DISTRO_INIT_MANAGER} \
22:04.20ant__./packages/tasks/task-openprotium.bb:${DISTRO_INIT_MANAGER} \
22:04.25tharveyis a task considered a 'recipe' (because its a bb file)?  If so, then my statement above isn't quite correct...
22:04.54tharveyant__, right... notice how its only set in conf or tasks
22:05.14ant__yes, no ptrace in packages
22:05.31tharveyant__, no 'ptrace'?
22:05.44ant__s/ptrace/trace/
22:05.54denixtharvey: you can set it in your local.conf
22:06.12tharveyya... that just wasn't obvious to me.  I figure its a var so it could be set in recipes that include it
22:06.45denixin task-boot.bb it is set "conditionally" to something, only if it is not already set
22:06.50tharveyI was trying to create an image that inherited everything from another image except changed a couple of things from task-base such as init - looks like I would have to create a different task-base or use a conf to do that
22:08.41tharveyno reason I couldn't set DISTRO_INIT_MANAGER in a machine conf right?
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22:21.14tharveythat appears to work fine
22:21.42tharveythanks guys... was racking my brain a bit trying to figure out why setting that var in a recipe wasn't working
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22:40.22ant__thesing: I've tested kexecboot with sharp bootloader too: OK
22:41.29thesingtharvey: basically you can't set a var in in one recipe and use it in another.
22:41.38thesingant__: which machine?
22:41.46ant__c7x0
22:42.32thesinggood to know.
22:42.48thesingnow we can enable it for c7x0
22:47.41ant__thesing: http://pastebin.ca/1195296
22:49.29ant__btw, Unknown HZ value! (80) Assume 100
22:49.35ant__are the dynticks ?
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22:58.48thesingProbably
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23:00.51ant__you were right, no mtdparts are passed (broken bootloader)
23:01.28ant__Ignoring unrecognised tag 0x00000000
23:01.49ant__sigh...u-boot causes 3 more ^^
23:15.45_hcanyone here ever used distcc with oe?
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23:17.09zecke_hc: use icecream
23:17.19thesingnite all
23:17.19_hchmm, don't know that one
23:17.25_hcgood night
23:18.09_hczecke: was it much work to setup?
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