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01:17.49ggilbertgeeeze. I thought the hh.o drama was over and done with.
01:19.14Crofton|homeheh
01:19.56Crofton|homeI don't really know what the big problem is
01:20.06Crofton|homebut I did run across the hh.o legal page
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01:30.05chouimatCrofton|home: url
01:31.13Crofton|homehttp://www.handhelds.org/legal.html
01:31.21Crofton|homethere was a link on the opie list
01:31.35Crofton|homeand I found it in the fine print on the hh.o web pages
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05:28.25cdbot2* * OE Bug 2013 has been RESOLVED (WORKSFORME) by pmiscml@gmail.com
05:28.27cdbot2* * [Bug 2013] bitbake gpe-image fails on gtk-engines
05:28.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2013
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06:03.11koengood morning all
06:13.03koenCrofton: http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2007/05/22/distros-indeed
06:13.16pvanhoofmorning koen
06:13.26koenhey pvanhoof :)
06:13.39pvanhoofOverstressed, couldn't get sleep
06:13.49pvanhoofbecause I decided to resign today
06:13.55pvanhoofFrom Cronos, my fulltime employer
06:13.56pvanhoof:)
06:14.16pvanhoofso highlighting my xchat is extremely dangerous :)
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06:19.40stelioskmorning all
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06:24.19koenhey steliosk
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06:34.16stelioskkoen : The new rep script worked fine
06:34.27koensteliosk: cool
06:34.38stelioskkoen :  http://rafb.net/p/tzNxRc71.html
06:35.40stelioskkoen : i copied a single file to some of the architectures and processed just them, running the php update just once at the end
06:40.18stelioskkoen :here is the script you put in unsorted -> http://rafb.net/p/cq2G8D76.html i called it update-rep.sh
06:41.29stelioskkoen : and this is the script you need to put in every arch dir -> http://rafb.net/p/4mMy0441.html
06:42.04stelioskkoen : i named it new-index.sh so basically you can have the old scripts in place also...just in case something goes wrong
06:43.08stelioskkoen : in both scripts you set the path to the ipkg tools and php update script in varialbles at the top, so it can be easily moved around
06:44.23stelioskkoen : also in the new-index scripts you don't need to specify the machines for each arch, it cd's to the machine dir and then goes to every dir in there
06:45.37steliosknext stem is to merge them in one script and read architecture,machines etc from a config file and not have it hard-coded
06:46.06koenindeed
06:48.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 2364 has been created by joaquinduran@adtelecom.es
06:48.26cdbot2* * Path hardcoded in gtk-engines .bb file
06:48.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2364
06:49.26stelioskkoen : btw have you used the new ipkg tools on the rep ?
06:50.20koensteliosk: yes
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06:51.40stelioskkoen : do they have the speed difference mentioned ?
06:54.33koenthey have a speed difference, but not the one mentioned
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07:42.12koenhttp://mail.gnome.org/archives/mobile-devel-list/2007-May/msg00026.html :(
07:48.14CMIs it the pixbuf that's the problem then? Anyway to strace it or get some statistics some other way?
07:49.44XorA|gonemorning
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07:52.08koenhey XorA|gone
07:52.55koenCM: dunno, all I can say is that I applied the patch and it didn't seem to make a difference
07:53.19CMHehe
07:55.28XorA|goneaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
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07:57.22XorAI shall have to find a working irc proxy
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08:01.10cidushi to all
08:01.13cidusi have a problem with linux on arm,
08:01.30cidusi post a bug report:
08:01.33cidushttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425527
08:01.35XorAcidus: this is OE channel, not arm-linux
08:01.58XorAcidus: #debian is where you should go then
08:02.06CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * re096dd41... 10/ (1 packages/gtk+/composite-pixbuf_0.0.bb): composite-pixbug: add test app for pixbug performance
08:02.52cidusexcused I have mistaken
08:03.17XorAcidus: but you can always ditch that debian junk and use OE :-)
08:05.48cidusin effects I was thinking to make a test
08:07.13koenheh: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=235763&cid=19231061
08:07.18XorAdirty secret is debian use us to bootstrap armeb/armel :-D
08:08.22XorAkoen: that still the BSD GPL violation rumbling around
08:08.30XorAkoen: buncha BSD pirates
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08:28.37likewisegoOod Morning
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08:32.38XorAdoes any distro use gpe-image any more?
08:37.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 2344 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by likewise@gmx.net
08:37.26cdbot2* * [Bug 2344] hdparm does not build using uclibc
08:37.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2344
08:42.07koenhey likewise
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08:42.43keesjZero_Chaos: what machine configuration do you use? I use ixp4xxbe, I guess the uClibc.machine is out of date
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08:44.31ade|deskmorning all
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08:53.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 2178 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by dp@xora.org.uk
08:53.26cdbot2* * [Bug 2178] kismet fails compilation when it finds
08:53.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2178
08:55.19likewisehi koen
08:57.37XorAZero_Chaos: kismet change done
09:00.11CIA-403xora 07org.oe.dev * re9005b8c... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): packages/kismet/* : remove old versions
09:00.24CIA-403xora 07org.oe.dev * rb08d9d4a... 10/ (1 packages/kismet/kismet_2007-01-R1b.bb):
09:00.24CIA-4kismet_2007-01-R1b.bb : disable gpsmap as per bug #2178 and discussion with
09:00.24CIA-4Zero_Chaos
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09:12.24XorA~lart git
09:12.25ibotstamps git on the forehead with the official Troll marker
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09:35.58gremlin[it]hi all
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09:36.41gremlin[it]hi have a problem building xfce-image on angstrom, seem to be the 404, it should be resolved ...
09:37.12gremlin[it]but i notice it was for openzaurus .. but now happen to me on angstrom
09:37.43gremlin[it]did i reopen the bug and change the OS version or clone the bug ?
09:38.56gremlin[it]hi florian
09:39.09floriangodd morning
09:39.21floriangood rather...
09:39.25likewiseEXTRA_OECONF_uclibc = "bla" does not work for me, but EXTRA_OECONF = "bla" does. ?
09:42.23koenlikewise: _linux-uclibc and _linux-uclibcgnueabi
09:43.17koenaka TARGET_OS
09:43.51gremlin[it]koen,  what is better reopen the bug or clone ?
09:44.34koenreopen
09:45.09likewisekoen: so TARGET_OS is one of the overrides? How can I find out about the others?
09:45.41gremlin[it]ok and i change the OS version from openzaurus to angtrom ?
09:47.11koenlikewise: bitbake.conf:OVERRIDES = "local:${MACHINE}:${DISTRO}:${TARGET_OS}:${TARGET_ARCH}:build-${BUILD_OS}:fail-fast:pn-${PN}"
09:47.27RPmorning all
09:47.31likewisegm rp
09:47.34koenhey RP
09:55.49likewiseAnyone seen these on powerpc/uclibc: can't handle reloc type 0x49 in lib '/lib/libc.so.6' ?
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09:57.21lrghey RP
09:57.26likewisesounds like http://bugs.busybox.net/view.php?id=986
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10:01.30steliosklikewise : which version of uclibc ?
10:01.31likewise0.9.29
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10:01.31likewisenet split?
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10:04.15koenlater all
10:04.53likewisesmakelijk
10:06.12XorAdamn you people who get lunch early
10:06.42likewiseXorA: yeah, that's why I work from home today :-)
10:06.52likewiseXorA: so I can lunch all day
10:07.25Crofton|homeIt isn't even breakfast time here
10:10.49Crofton|homehmm
10:11.03Crofton|homeI need to depend on boost-filesystem
10:11.19Crofton|homedo I put boost or boost-filesystem in DEPENDS?
10:11.47XorACrofton|home: the .bb name
10:13.06Crofton|homethanks
10:21.11Crofton|homegetting on error about not finding libxcb?
10:22.56Crofton|homenevermind
10:28.03Croftonthat would be a bunch of work
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10:39.23XorAlikewise: funding to post XorA to interesting conferences :-)
10:39.46Croftonum funding
10:40.20ade|deskfunding for my guinness intake
10:40.44XorAhmm, OE confernce in dublin :-)
10:40.50likewise:-)
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10:41.05Croftonwe turned in a proposal to the NSF to see if they would fund a beer drinking trip to Oreland
10:41.12Croftoner Ireland
10:41.26XorAOireland is how they pronouince it :-)
10:41.39Croftonthey talk funny over there
10:42.10ade|desklol
10:42.31XorAthe polish need to lend them some constonants :-)
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10:45.27likewisegot a discount price of $245 for these boards: http://www.micetek.com/englishweb/product/new/PQIIproDevelopmentProducts/8313E-RDB.htm
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10:47.24koen$$$$ - $245 is still $$$$ ?
10:49.31XorAPackage fuse-module wants to install file /etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules
10:49.31XorAI suspect that fuse-module shouldnt call its version that
10:52.15likewisekoen: yes $245  per board after discount
10:52.27koenah
10:52.27koenthat sounds a lot better :)
10:53.04florianhrm... who broke xserver-xorg?
10:53.34ade|deskflorian: florian did i think
10:53.47ade|deskhe breaks everything
10:53.53florianhehe
10:53.58floriani didn't touch it ;)
10:54.03ade|deskprove it
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10:54.49likewiseflorian: ice?
10:54.55likewiseflorian: cream?
10:55.37ade|deski wonder if openmosix would work
10:56.03florianlikewise: Yes - i set up a new build host and have the icecc running on all useful machines at kc.
10:56.24florianade|desk: might be an interesting experiment
10:57.32likewiseflorian: nice. I stopped trying that here because everyone is running their own distro and the icecc version must very closely match in order for it to work
10:58.06florianlikewise: yes indeed, that was the only problem here too.
10:59.04florianAll the machines here are not the fastest one could imagine, but now there are three machines with five real cpus with gigabit connections at least.
10:59.27florianAnd three more with slower links...
10:59.58likewiseflorian: I'll try to pick up the project at work as well.
11:00.48florianlikewise: its interesting to watch how the tasks are scheduled...
11:01.45likewiseflorian: watch with the visual monitor?
11:02.09florianlikewise: yes
11:02.20florianthat icemon thingy
11:02.29likewiseflorian: did you need any tweaking or is the wiki page on thise still up-to-date?
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11:04.06florianlikewise: worked out of the box...
11:05.37ade|deskflorian: openmosix and compile farms are a no go, are compiles are way too small to be farmed out. openmosix farms out processes so each .c would be pushed and pulled back for the next node rather than push a job series out. damn :(
11:06.24florianade|desk: oh, ok...
11:12.19CIA-403likewise 07org.oe.dev * rb81d6701... 10/ (1 packages/alsa/alsa-utils_1.0.13.bb): alsa-utils-1.0.13: Disable NLS for uclibc, workaround, needs more TLC.
11:12.19CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * r84d1a27d... 10/ (1 packages/gdb/gdb_6.6.bb): gdb: fix RRECOMMENDS
11:20.43likewisecannot build powerpc/uclibc from scratch anymore, uclibc-initial-0.9.28 fails on the kernel headers.
11:20.55likewisew/ angstrom that is
11:23.43likewisecopying initial-0.9.28 to initial-0.9.29 seems to work. Using 2.6.20 headers, probably too new for 0.9.28...
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11:42.23cdbot2* * OE Bug 2360 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl
11:42.25cdbot2* * [Bug 2360] more granularity for xserver-xorg package
11:42.27cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2360
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11:48.04CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * r8af6eae5... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xorg-xserver-common.inc): xorg-xserver-common.inc: granulate packaging some more, closes #2360
11:48.09CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * rcc0f5070... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.2.0.bb): xserver-xorg 1.2.0: remove broken patch
11:48.14CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * rb2bb7f54... 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs):
11:48.14CIA-4xserver-kdrive: merge 1.3.0.0 from poky
11:48.14CIA-4* Xw100 patch needs to be rediffed
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11:57.23bgeradzdoes anybody know in which package is "date" program (NOT the one provided by busybox)?
11:57.55koenbgeradz: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=date&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386
12:02.09bgeradzthanx
12:03.50steliosklikewise : yes 0.9.28 works with kernel keaders < 2.6 18
12:04.39likewisesteliosk: Copying initial-0.9.28 to ...29 works for me, so I will push that I guess.
12:05.05stelioskflorian : I will be pushing some more changes to the icecc bbclass, fixing a couple of things in the new few days
12:06.13floriansteliosk: that sounds promising! what are you going to fix?
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12:10.33stelioskflorian :well qemu support added
12:11.02stelioskflorian :and a couple of fixes regarding PARALLEL_MAKE
12:12.07floriansteliosk: okay cool
12:12.18florianXorA: heh
12:12.48stelioskflorian : they way it is now if a package is exlcuded from using icecc and has to build locally, the host gets PARALLEL_MAKE set according to what its set for icecc and usually takes longer to build the package
12:15.15floriansteliosk: right, the best would be to have a fallback value you can define here... and maybe defaulting to the amount of cpus in the system
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12:20.17hrwmorning
12:21.04XorAyo hrw
12:21.20koenhey hrw
12:22.28likewisemorning hrw
12:22.34hrwsomething interesting happens?
12:22.51XorAwe sold OE to microsft
12:22.53likewisehrw: yes, by now everybody should have had breakfast :-)
12:23.19likewiseXorA: I thought that was only a rumor?
12:23.19koenno, florian is having breakfast in half an hour
12:23.38likewisekoen: no florian stayed up all night making icecc work.
12:24.17koenah, hmm
12:24.28koenis think I know what drmfix was supposed to do:
12:24.29koenCROSS COMPILE Badness: /usr/include in INCLUDEPATH: /usr/include/drm
12:25.00LaibschI have defined  a dependency for docbook-utils-native in a new recipe I created (http://paste.stgraber.org/1079) but when I do "bitbake scim" the darn thing goes straight to compiling scim and thus fails in configure.  Why does it not build docbook-utils-native first?
12:26.27florianhehe
12:27.14koencomposite benchmark available for most arm dialects: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=composite-pixbuf
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13:00.35ade|deskyay, my wife has got a new job, with a good size pay cut, what a bargain !
13:01.39XorAade|desk: I hope you get an equal pay rise then
13:02.05ade|deskunlikely
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13:02.35ade|desklooking forward to seeing if we get cost of living increase this year
13:03.15ade|desknot looking hopeful despite increasing profits by 22 %
13:03.49stelioskthe question is "which" cost of living... the goverments one which is usally like 0 or the real one....
13:03.56ade|deski imagine the directors will enjoy their bonuses
13:04.26XorAI hate directors, they do jack shit and steal all the money
13:04.33XorAmallum excepted :-D
13:10.30likewisehi Jin^eLD , AvengerMoJo
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13:24.18koenhey mickeyl
13:24.25hrwhi mickeyl
13:24.41Croftonhi mickeyl , done with all the moving?
13:26.20steliosk~seen zecke
13:26.42ibotzecke is currently on #handhelds-opie (3h 23m 52s) #handhelds (3h 23m 52s) #oe (3h 23m 52s) #openmoko (3h 23m 52s), last said: 'france: I'm guessing who knows the admin password. With some luck treke (gilbert) might know it'.
13:27.00mickeylhi Crofton
13:27.03mickeylyes, pretty much
13:27.12mickeylsome outstanding problems with telephony and cable tv though
13:27.20mickeylbut these are minor
13:27.33mickeylhi koen, hrw
13:28.58CIA-403likewise 07org.oe.dev * r3dca5f3a... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): uclibc: Add uclibc-initial-0.9.29 so that toolchain bootstrap from recent kernel headers works.
13:29.03stelioskzecke : any idea why tinderbox seems to be slow ? it looks like its slows down compile time significantly and it did not used to be like that...
13:29.03CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * r5a2d941b... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): xserver-xorg: update mesa dep to 6.5.2
13:29.10CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * r1540ceee... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xorg-xserver-common.inc): xorg-xserver-common: substitute drmfix.patch with a more robust sed statement
13:29.14Croftonmickeyl, but you have internet?
13:30.05stelioskis anyone using the tinderbox ?
13:33.48XorAkoen: I was thinking maybe we should add a do_patch_sed() tasks that is part of do_patch stage, that would be usefull for people who want to produce debian style .diff files
13:34.53zeckesteliosk: is the network having issues?
13:35.04zeckesteliosk: the openmoko build is using it
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13:35.48stelioskzecke : i don't think its a problem with the network from my side... traffic is very low
13:37.07zeckesteliosk: it is doing blocking IO to reach the server. So ewi might have performance issues :)
13:37.08stelioskzecke : poky is using it also... maybe there are 2 many jobs/data and the network on the server side is near capacity ?
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13:37.42zeckesteliosk: I don't think so :} I have no idea what is slowing it down
13:37.57stelioskzecke : my build times wend up like 30-40%
13:38.04zeckesteliosk: you could print the time needed to send the log to the machine
13:38.21zeckesteliosk: please add some timing prints to tinderbox.bbclass, as the class itself was unchanged
13:39.12stelioskzecke : my build screen is not rolling as fast as it used to be... that's enough of a timing measure :)
13:40.01zeckesteliosk: I would like to know the time needed to connect ewi and wait for the answer ;)
13:40.44stelioskzecke :ok will run some tests and let you know
13:42.08zeckethanks
13:45.49mickeylCrofton: i have internet, but it's connected to a wrong socket (1st floor instead of 0th floor) requiring me to use a wireless bridge w/ lots of dropouts and stuff :/
13:46.10mickeylwhich is quite an undertaking
13:46.15mickeylbecause i'm not a T-Com customer
13:46.21mickeyland they keep bouncing me forth- and backwards
13:46.25mickeyli feel like a ping pong ball
13:46.26mickeylsigh
13:47.18XorAmickeyl: time for recorded letters to their director of customer services?
13:48.00mickeylhehe
13:48.02mickeylmight be an option
13:48.17xuumbican BBFILE_COLLECTIONS still be used to set priorities for upstream and local package areas?
13:48.31mickeylyou know, if they don't manage to reconnect me I just go back to T-Com. Pricewise it's not that much of a difference nowadays
13:48.34Croftonxuumbi, I think so
13:48.35xuumbiI see it in the bitbake manual, but it was removed from the OE wiki
13:48.35mickeyllike 10 EUR more per month
13:48.47xuumbiCrofton: oh good, I'm going to test it anyway...
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13:53.01likewisexuumbi: it works, but be very careful to set your PREFERRED_PROVIDERS and versions neatly.
13:53.56xuumbilikewise: so a higher version/release number in a collection with a lower priority will get precedence?
13:54.21XorAmickeyl: Ive found that recorded letters work well as people at that level have no time for silly excuses when the solution it literally to switch 2 patches and 30secs of engineers work
13:54.57xuumbilikewise: wait, I think I'm confusing PREFERRED_PROVIDERS with PREFERRED_VERSION
13:55.07XorAmickeyl: Ive also had success with the line on the phone "Hi, I think you should get a manager for me as Im going to shout and Im sure your not paid enough to put up with customers shouting at you!"
13:55.26likewisexuumbi: I am not sure what happens if a higher version/release number in a collection with a lower priority exists.
13:55.45likewisexuumbi: I *think* the lower priority collection always has precedence.
13:55.56likewisexuumbi: but you should check that
13:56.20xuumbilikewise: I just tried a package with a lower release number in my local collection and it picked it up
13:56.41likewisexuumbi: without specifying the release/version number?
13:56.50xuumbilikewise: yes
13:56.52likewisexuumbi: yup, ok, that's what I think it does and should do.
14:04.56koenNOTE: package xserver-xorg-1.3.0.0: completed
14:05.04koenNOTE: package xserver-xorg-1.2.0: completed
14:05.07koenwoooo!
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14:13.42chouimatmorning
14:14.58Croftonhttp://pastebin.ca/505258
14:15.06CroftonANyone have any thoughts?
14:15.43koenCrofton: "cold wheat beer"
14:15.56Croftona bit early for beer here ....
14:16.12koenapart from that: s:-m755:-m 755:
14:16.30koenoe's install-native doesn't like the concatenated option
14:16.34Croftonah
14:16.41CroftonI was checking on host
14:16.54Croftonthe problem "went away" for a bit also
14:17.48CroftonI'll push if bitbake -c rebuild u-boot builds
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14:20.59koenIs Russ Nelson so clueless or has france stolen his workstation?
14:21.18koenflorian: it seems you were the maintainer of Familiar ;)
14:23.05mickeylXorA: hehe, good advice. i will take that into account
14:26.01floriankoen: no, he is like that... incredibly
14:27.11hrwchouimat: where this time?
14:27.26chouimathrw: everywhere
14:28.16koenhrw: http://fl0rian.wordpress.com/ http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2007/05/23/time-for-the-gpe-team-to-seek-legal-counsel
14:32.13Croftonlet me know if you need anything doing on this side of the Atlantic
14:32.27CroftonI can ask my sister for some free advice
14:33.18koenyour sister is a hitwoman?
14:33.29Croftonsort off
14:33.57Croftonhttp://www.hunton.com/bios/bio.aspx?id=17235&tab=0013
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14:40.27CIA-403likewise 07org.oe.dev * rb42b01db... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): vsftpd: Fix dependencies. Fix uclibc support.
14:40.38CIA-403likewise 07org.oe.dev * r0c3c5a0c... 10/ (1 packages/libcap/libcap_1.10.bb): libcap: Fix uclibc support.
14:40.44CIA-403crofton 07org.oe.dev * r3ff3791f... 10/ (1 packages/uboot/u-boot.inc):
14:40.44CIA-4u-boot.inc : Correct args to install to work with OE install-native.
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14:42.20koenhrw: MACHINE=progear is nice way to find kernels without COMPATIBLE_MACHINE ;)
14:42.43XorAI thought even in somewhere as insane as the US you couldnt hold a trademark in a product you dont sell, hence why Cisco lost iPhone trademark
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14:43.31koenXorA: iirc someone has to challenge it first
14:44.01XorAkoen: or handhelds has to sue when you use it, if they dont, they lose it anyway, and do they actually have any cash?
14:44.11koenthey have
14:44.18chouimatXorA: and you need some money to be able to do this
14:44.21koenGoogle Summer of code, remember
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14:45.10koenflorian: maybe we should make a reference to being fired as president of FSF ;)
14:46.13hrwkoen: ;)
14:47.45hrwkoen: I do not want to add COMPATIBLE_MACHINE to linux_* recipe because those recipes are as clean as possible for kernel.
14:47.45florian;)
14:47.46koenhrw: right
14:47.46koenhrw: so I'm adding them to all other recipes :)
14:47.46hrw;)
14:47.57hrwsomeone here use(d) Gallery2 for managing photos on web?
14:48.05koenyes
14:48.21koentill I messed up a rewrite rule
14:48.24hrwkoen: ;D
14:48.38hrwkoen: I plan to create one for my albums
14:48.41koenit's pretty neat, but slow if you aren't carefull
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14:51.40Zero_ChaosCan i get someone to be my commit buddy, I've added a few things to the bug tracker that should be ready for commit.
14:52.57Zero_Chaosbugs 2356,2357,2361 if someone would be kind enough to commit my work....
14:53.02Zero_Chaos:-)
14:53.05koentoo bad one requires a patched qemu for EABI
14:53.37chouimatkoen where are the patches?
14:54.01koenchouimat: in OE, on the scratchbox site, attached to the qemu list
14:54.12chouimatthanks
14:54.13koenlots of places to choose from :)
14:54.43hrw~seen rwhitby
14:55.20ibotrwhitby is currently on #maemo (7h 31m 56s) #oe (7h 31m 56s) #openmoko (7h 31m 56s) #nslu2-linux (7h 31m 56s) #openjtag (7h 31m 56s) #openslug (7h 31m 56s), last said: 'can you pastebin what you are seeing?'.
14:55.21koenbut afaik it's only required for one commandline emulation
14:55.21koendoing full emulation doesn't need those
14:55.21hrwrwhitby: alive?
14:56.21koenERROR: This autoconf log indicates errors, it looked at host includes. Rerun configure task after fixing this. Path was '/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/i686-angstrom-linux/libsdl-x11-1.2.9-r1/SDL-1.2.9'
14:58.21hrwZero_Chaos: can you post your bugs with 'mtn diff' output?
14:58.59Zero_Chaoshrw: does that mean I take the stuff, put it in place and then type "mtn diff"?
14:59.28hrwmtn add file file file;mtn diff
14:59.51Zero_Chaosawe geez... why is it never easy.
15:00.03Zero_Chaossure, I'll give it a shot if it gets my work commited
15:00.10hrwZero_Chaos: this way it will be easier for us
15:00.31zeckekoen: ?
15:01.02Zero_Chaoshrw: can I do it just once for everything? or do I have to do it one and a time?
15:01.03koenzecke: ?
15:01.31zeckekoen: ?
15:01.32hrwZero_Chaos: once per each bug/request
15:01.40zeckekoen: why do you stab sdl?
15:02.30koenbecause it breaks
15:02.38Zero_Chaoshrw: okay, but doesn't that mean I will have to wait for each commit before I can post the next request? otherwise "mtn diff" would have the previous ones as well....
15:02.53koenZero_Chaos: read the monotone manual
15:03.33Zero_Chaosno manual entries for mtn or monotone
15:03.34Zero_Chaossweet
15:03.44Zero_ChaosI guess I'll start by googling.
15:03.45hrwZero_Chaos: and this will give us also name of files
15:03.50chouimatmonotone.ca
15:03.53hrwZero_Chaos: mtn diff file file file file
15:04.09hrwNOTE: package rt2570-k2wrlz-1.6.0-r0: task do_build: completed
15:04.16Zero_Chaoshrw: thanks, that's what I needed to know.
15:04.21Zero_Chaoshrw: thanks for testing.
15:04.31koenZero_Chaos: still read the manual
15:04.38koenwe are not your personal FAQ database
15:05.09Taekeroheh i was trying to get SDL 1.2.11 to compile under oe/angstrom, didn't get far with that myself..  i needed a special config with fbcon+tslib
15:05.15Zero_Chaoskoen: I know you are not my personal FAQ, but I do have a lot of stuff I'm maintaining and I keep adding stuff so a little patience while I learn monotone would be appreciated.
15:05.27CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * r4f32005a... 10/ (1 conf/machine/guinness.conf): guinness.conf: PREFERRED_PROVIDER_xserver = "xserver-kdrive"
15:05.38koen[17:04] koen: Zero_Chaos: still read the manual
15:05.45koenI can be patient after you RTFM
15:05.51CroftonZero_Chaos, and after you read the manual, write up what you learn on the wiki :)
15:06.18Zero_ChaosCrofton: I'm commiting new programs and updates to openembedded, let some other monkey write the docs ;-)
15:06.32Crofton:)
15:06.47hrwLaibsch: ping
15:07.09Zero_Chaoshrw: if I post mtn diff is that all you need? like I don't need to post the .bb and the patches, right?
15:07.11hrwLaibsch: you are bugmaster. can you add some padding/margin on left/right side in bugzilla?
15:07.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 2357 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl
15:07.26cdbot2* * [Bug 2357] Enhanced Ralink RT2570 Driver
15:07.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2357
15:07.28hrwZero_Chaos: mtn diff with all files/patches inside
15:07.50Zero_Chaoshrw: I think I can do that, thanks for the help.  in the long run this will likely be easier for me too ;-)
15:10.50CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.dev * rcd57d1eb... 10/ (1 packages/rt2x00/rt2570-k2wrlz_1.6.0.bb): rt2570-k2wrlz: added 1.6.0 version - close #2357
15:11.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 1836 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl
15:11.26cdbot2* * [Bug 1836] zaurus-clamshell.conf typos: sumtool uses
15:11.27cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836
15:11.35cdbot2* * OE Bug 1827 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by openembedded@hrw.one.pl
15:11.37cdbot2* * [Bug 1827] remove 'inherit native' from mkfontscale
15:11.39cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1827
15:13.27hrwZero_Chaos: take care of #1711 please
15:15.07Zero_Chaoshrw: did I do 2356 right? I just added the mtn diff.
15:15.12Zero_Chaoslooking at 1711 now
15:15.59Laibschhrw: I did not like the current layout either.  I was thinking about putting the large logo to the left (better for widescreen ;-))
15:16.14LaibschIf you guys don't mind I'll experiment a bit.
15:16.15Zero_Chaoshrw: 1711 is actually a different driver, I am supporting the enhanced version, not the serial monkey one.
15:17.02hrwLaibsch: I have widescreen and now I have to expand konqeror to 1320px to get bugzilla on screen
15:17.30Zero_Chaoshrw: did I do 2356 right? is that the mtn diff you need?
15:17.38hrwZero_Chaos: sure, but you can ask that reporter to test your version
15:17.47hrwZero_Chaos: 'mtn diff' is a command
15:18.09Zero_Chaoshrw: I know it is, I attached the output of that command, looked right to me, but is it?
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15:19.04hrwZero_Chaos: it is crap
15:19.16koen"Not one application program on any of my three Ubuntu boxes at home is compiled from source."
15:19.31chouimatROFL
15:19.53chouimatkoen cool someone copied the '0' and the '1' manualy ;)
15:19.53hvontres|poodlekoen: were they inteligently created then ?
15:19.56hrwZero_Chaos: http://pastebin.ca/505408 - this is example
15:20.04Zero_Chaoshrw: I did it wrong or I didn't follow the style guide?
15:20.26chouimatkoen source of this magnificient insightful comment?
15:20.36koenhttp://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=235837&cid=19236313
15:20.37hrwZero_Chaos: make a change in file and then 'mtn diff file' and submit whole output
15:21.02hrwZero_Chaos: this will give info which rev you diffed, which exactly files...
15:21.20Zero_Chaoshrw: this is a new program I'm adding.
15:21.54koenZero_Chaos: read the monotone manual
15:22.23hrwZero_Chaos: then create dir for it in packages/ then copy all files there. then 'mtn add -R dir', then 'mtn diff dir' and submit
15:22.53chouimatkoen I'm impressed ... probably from one of those "TV expert you see on CNN or FoxNews" :)
15:23.14Zero_Chaoshrw: that's what I thought I did.
15:23.39Zero_Chaoshrw: I made a folder in packages, moved my files there, and then typed mtn add for each file.
15:23.48Zero_Chaosthen I mtn diff lorcon and attached output
15:24.16hrwZero_Chaos: so you diffed file which is not in OE and want us to fix it?
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15:25.23cdbot2* * OE Bug 2365 has been created by likewise@gmx.net
15:25.25cdbot2* * uclibc: can't handle reloc type 0x49 in lib
15:25.27cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2365
15:25.50stelioskheh half of Liverpool is in down town Athens, drinking beers :)
15:29.15Zero_ChaosI'll read the manual, but I honestly have no idea what I did wrong, it looks right and I did exactly as you said.
15:29.55XorAZero_Chaos: its ok, I am confused as well
15:30.55koenWTF?
15:30.57koen[17:28] france verlaat de chatruimte. (Remote closed the connection)
15:31.02Zero_ChaosXorA: I just gave up yesterday trying to help the Angstrom project, and now I'm trying to add things to mtn but I am apparently retarded.
15:31.06koendidn't we ban his fascist ass?
15:31.48XorAZero_Chaos: I dont have time to look now, Ill try tonight if I can get my computer working
15:32.17Zero_ChaosXorA: no worries, eventually I'll either get it right, or give up trying to share my work. hopefully the former
15:34.53Laibschhrw: I don't think I have access to change the CSS
15:35.00Laibschkoen: Or do I?
15:35.08XorAZero_Chaos: looks fine to me, I am as puzzled as you are
15:35.21XorAand I dont understand Laibsch's comment either
15:35.24ggilbertrbugzilla css?
15:35.35Laibschggilbert: yes
15:35.39ggilbertyou don
15:35.42ggilbertdon't
15:35.51ggilbertbut if you send me any changes you'd like made, I can do them
15:36.14Laibschggilbert: OK.  I will take a look but I have not worked on CSS for years
15:36.17hrwkoen: does gallery2 allow to set photo as album miniature? now it use first one only
15:36.21LaibschXorA: which comment?
15:36.34XorALaibsch: the one issue per bug, when there is only one issue in the bug
15:36.36koenhrw: yes, 'highlight' in gallery speak
15:36.43XorALaibsch: 2365
15:36.49ggilbertbtw, I vaguely remember some of the oe stuff being on hh.o. France isn't asserting any ownership over it, is he?
15:36.59koenggilbert: not yet
15:37.06ggilbertgood
15:37.07XorAZero_Chaos: OE cant chmod because it doesnt run as root unless you are insane
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15:38.07Zero_ChaosXorA: seems like it is a danger though because now it is installing something that may or may not be chown/chmod properly to the embedded system
15:38.16ade|deskggilbert: aren't we all
15:38.28ggilbertLaibsch: what in styling changes were you looking at making? I might be able to sort it out easily enough.
15:38.30Zero_ChaosXorA: hence I am circumventing safety features to get things to "make install"
15:39.37Laibsch!oebug 2365
15:39.39cdbot2* * Bug 2365, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-05-23 08:23
15:39.40cdbot2* * likewise(AT)gmx.net: uclibc: can&apos;t handle reloc type 0x49 in lib &apos;/lib/libc.so.6&apos; for powerpc/angstrom/uclibc
15:39.41cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2365
15:39.59LaibschZero_Chaos: fakeroot?
15:40.13chouimatmwester: it's why I do all my OE stuff in a chroot :)
15:40.16Zero_ChaosLaibsch: useful tutorial somewhere?
15:40.25Laibschman fakeroot?
15:40.52Zero_ChaosLaibsch: and this will let me chmod/chown the files properly?
15:41.04Laibschyes
15:41.07XorAZero_Chaos: that chmod is actually a waste of space anyway, making a man page owned by root, when it will be owned by root on install anyway
15:41.33Zero_ChaosXorA: how do i know that? how do I know it will be owned by root on install?
15:41.39LaibschZero_Chaos: fakeroot $whatevercommandyouwereusing
15:41.51XorAZero_Chaos: when ipkg does tar -zxvf data.tar.gz
15:42.26XorAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh, people stop bloody over complexing things
15:42.28Zero_ChaosXorA: so everything is owned by root?
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15:42.31LaibschXorA: 2365?
15:42.36LaibschNo comment from me in there
15:42.42XorALaibsch: 2356
15:42.47XorAsorry typo
15:43.41CoreDump|homehi
15:44.00XorAa) the patch is corrent, b) its not circumventing any security issues, c) we seem to be making submission to OE an unclimable mountain
15:44.08XorAs/corrent/correct/
15:44.37CoreDump|home!oebug 2356
15:44.38cdbot2* * Bug 2356, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-05-21 16:54
15:44.39cdbot2* * r.farina(AT)adelphia.net: Loss of Radio connectivity
15:44.40cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2356
15:44.57Zero_ChaosXorA: well technically removing the chown's is circumventing security, but it's not too bad ;-)
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15:46.06XorAZero_Chaos: only in the case where make install write to the host, its nonsense in makefile for cross compile
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15:47.25Laibschggilbert: As a quick fix a) put the OE logo on the left (this will add an inherent spacer on the left side), b) slim down the width of the "people" and "Details" boxes so this is readable on at least 1024x768 or smaller
15:47.59koenc) find a victim that makes a proper bugzilla3 template for OE :)
15:48.58XorAanyway time for me to find train home
15:49.22LaibschXorA: I was not sure whether the patch was correct and thus requested review. I don't understand how you came to the impresseion you got
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15:49.43XorALaibsch: one issue per bug, there is only one issue
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15:49.58Laibschone issue, one bug should be clear from the quoted portion
15:50.33XorALaibsch: there is only one issue, dont invent stuff from your imagination
15:50.42LaibschActually, I might have had a need to look closer on that one ;-)
15:51.23LaibschXorA: Come on, this is not a big deal.  I looked on it like five seconds and thought this was a separate request
15:51.53Laibsch"mtn diff" of the whole stuff might have made it obvious enough even for me ;-)
15:53.46LaibschI think submission to OE is much more accessible now than six months ago when your stuff would rot in there for more than a year most of the time.
15:54.01LaibschWhat was the turnaround on this one?  Les than 24 hours or more?
15:54.34LaibschThat is what defines the unclimable mountain for me.
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15:55.24LaibschA question too many does not kill you.  No reaction at all is another story.  As a submitter I'd rather have the former than the latter.
15:55.43koenI'd rather read a manual
15:56.11Laibschkoen: Go ahead ;-)
15:56.18Zero_ChaosThis is actually the first time I've had any trouble submitting, as such it is a bit discouraging.  I am, however, reading the tutorial and hoping to learn something.
15:56.23LaibschOr tell the submitter to read a manual which was my point ;-)
15:56.26Crofton"Make My Day"
15:56.41LaibschZero_Chaos: This is not against you.
15:57.07Zero_ChaosLaibsch: i know, just pitching in ;-)
15:58.15LaibschBut educating submitters make sense because otherwise we will get dumped by one-offs who submit their favourite package which might need quite a bit of rework.  They then fail to maintain it and thus it unnecessarily increases the workload for the few OE devs.
15:58.33LaibschHaving a bit of a hurdle is not so bad in my book
15:58.52Laibschchouimat: What happened.  You were playing with the fire again?
15:59.05Zero_ChaosLaibsch: I have taken responsibility for a number of reciepes and I have all intention of maintaining my work.  I've even picked up a few that were not mine to begin with.
15:59.24chouimatLaibsch: I have a simple question ... I know I never learn ...
15:59.29LaibschZero_Chaos: Again, this is not about you.  And I know you are submitting stuff regularly
15:59.46CroftonZero_Chaos, we want to make sure you understand monotone :)
15:59.56Zero_ChaosCrofton: I don't :-)
16:00.04Zero_ChaosCrofton: but I'm learning slowly :-)
16:00.10Crofton:)
16:00.14hvontres|poodleZero_Chaos: Think of this as a "Rite of Passage" on the way to your own commit acces :)
16:00.16LaibschZero_Chaos: Monotone is easy and you will love it
16:00.31CroftonI understand enough to commit and not make a mess of things
16:00.36Croftonmost of the time :)
16:00.44chouimatLaibsch: I probably have more experience in software development than most of them but they act like they are the top of the food chain :)
16:01.04Croftonok
16:01.13CroftonNOW it is lunch time :)
16:01.14Laibschchouimat: What is your question.  Maybe you be better helped here?
16:01.39Zero_Chaoshvontres|poodle: yeah, I figured as much.  I will take the time to learn as I know what the possible benefits are.
16:01.44chouimatLaibsch: I found the answer by myself ... took me a few hours of googling :)
16:05.05ggilbertLaibsch: k, it's on my todo list
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16:12.00LaibschZero_Chaos: Is http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1510 a patch to OE or as I suspect a patch to the upstream source?
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16:16.47Zero_ChaosLaibsch: that is a patch to the source because OE doesnt' support -o root (chown)
16:19.38LaibschOk, as you know now that is not needed.
16:19.56LaibschIs the bug report invalid?
16:19.58Zero_ChaosLaibsch: if I add fakeroot before it you mean?
16:20.27Zero_ChaosLaibsch: the "bug" reported is a new reciepe that isn't in OE
16:20.28LaibschAs XorA said it is not necessary at all since apparently ipkg will install as root in any case
16:20.54Zero_ChaosLaibsch: well I still need the patch, and I need to verify what XorA said, doesn't seem to make sense
16:20.58LaibschOK, it has drawn out into a couple of tasks now
16:21.30Laibschwhich does not help understandability
16:21.55Zero_Chaosit's okay, i don't mind learning about a better way to fix it.
16:22.20Zero_Chaosjust a lot on my plate now.
16:23.00LaibschI will commit the MAINTAINERS file change later and make a comment as to what is still open
16:24.00LaibschZero_Chaos: Maybe this is insignificant, but I asked this in the BTS before
16:24.10LaibschWhy do you change file permissions in http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1518
16:24.14Laibschfrom 644 to 444?
16:24.41Zero_ChaosLaibsch: honestly, since I can't control who owns it, I figured I'd at least remove write permissions until I find a safer way.
16:24.59Zero_ChaosLaibsch: not like it really matters, but I felt a little better.
16:25.30LaibschOK
16:27.48koenthat doesn't make sense
16:28.28koenwe don't want such hacks in OE
16:28.44Zero_Chaosroot should own the man pages so that no one can write to them. however, since I cannot control who own it, I figured I remove write.
16:28.49Zero_Chaoskoen: are you serious?
16:29.05koenyes
16:29.12Zero_Chaoskoen: bitbake cannot support install properly and you call my work hack?
16:29.24LaibschZero_Chaos: fakeroot!
16:29.33Zero_Chaoskoen: what did I do wrong? I am preserving as much security as possible.
16:29.35koen" bitbake cannot support install properly and you call my work hack?" shows how clueless you are about OE
16:29.43Laibschor as Xora said it is owned by root anhow
16:29.50Zero_ChaosLaibsch: yeah I'll look into it, I'm still reading about mtn.
16:30.23Zero_Chaoskoen: I took over something that was not maintained and that was the way it was fixed before I even started, but NOW you don't want suck "hacks" in OE
16:30.42Laibschkoen: being clueless about OE is not a disease and nothing to be ashamed of.  I guess there are only about 3 to 5 people in the world really in the know about OE ;-)
16:31.16Zero_Chaoskoen: I do not know that much about OE, and I'm happy to learn, but if you continue to berate me I could always choose not to submit my work.
16:31.22koenLaibsch: no, but pretending not to be clueless and going "OMG SECURITY!!!!" is something to be ashamed off
16:31.32hvontres|poodleZero_Chaos: I think what koen was trying to say was that he would prefer to see this fixed using fakeroot instead
16:31.35LaibschZero_Chaos: There are things that have been done in the past which we don't want to continue
16:31.40ggilbertZero_Chaos: There's no need to get upset, Koen just wants to make sure that the packages are built properly.
16:31.48Zero_Chaoshvontres|poodle: I agree, and I learned that like ten minutes ago.
16:32.19koeneven if we mentioned fakeroot over an hour ago
16:32.39Laibschkoen: yes, you are right
16:32.40Laibschbut
16:32.42Zero_Chaoshvontres|poodle: and I still have no idea what it is other than the fact that someone told me I could just put "fakeroot" in front of the line and fix it. so when I'm done reading about mtn I'll read about fakeroot.
16:33.02hrwcu
16:33.22LaibschZero_Chaos seems willing to learn.  So let's give him the benefit of doubt.  Live and learn!
16:33.25Zero_Chaoskoen: either way, I based my work on someone else's, and I'm happy to improve it, but... I am still learning about mtn because apparently my mtn diff wasn't "proper" in some unknown way.
16:33.40Zero_ChaosSo I'll work on fakeroot next :-)
16:33.59LaibschZero_Chaos: This is not so complicated.
16:34.18Laibschfakeroot will act as a "fake root"
16:34.39LaibschYou can chown things to root without really being root for example.
16:34.46hvontres|poodleZero_Chaos: And don't worry too much about koen...he is just not what you would call "Tech Support Material" :)
16:35.19Laibschture
16:35.19Laibschtrue
16:35.21LaibschOTOH, angstrom and OE would not be what it is without koen
16:35.58Zero_ChaosI know who koen is, and I try to show respect where it is due, but it wouldn't be a stretch to say he has been a little rough on me today.
16:36.12hvontres|poodleLaibsch: I agree that koen is a REALLY smart guy, just no your bet PR person. :)
16:36.12Zero_Chaosanyway, back to my tutorial
16:36.14Laibsch~hail koen, the fierce St. Peter of OE ;-)
16:36.21ibotACTION bows down to koen, the fierce St. Peter of OE ;-) and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
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16:36.22koenyou continue to refuse to take advice
16:36.31koenof course I'm rough on people like that
16:37.04CoreDump|homeactually you are mean to practically everybody
16:37.22hvontres|poodlekoen: but we still like you :)
16:39.22Zero_Chaoskoen: honestly, you are critiquing things I submitted more than 24 hours ago and expecting me to have done it like I knew what I know now.  I'm not refusing to take advice, I just have not fixed it all yet.  If you noticed, I stopped complaining about no one commiting my work, and I'm reading about mtn and fakeroot.  Give me a little more time.
16:39.41stelioskCoreDump|home : alleluia brother :)
16:40.38CIA-403ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r8180f586... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-magicbox_2.6.19.2.bb):
16:40.38CIA-4packages/linux/linux-magicbox_2.6.19.2.bb: Add TARGET_VENDOR to the
16:40.38CIA-4objcopy so that it supports distro's that use. It should make no
16:40.38CIA-4difference is TARGET_VENDOR is not set
16:40.38CIA-4it
16:40.45CIA-403ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r1563f689... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-dht-walnut_2.6.20.bb):
16:40.45CIA-4packages/linux/linux-dht-walnut_2.6.20.b: Add TARGET_VENDOR to the
16:40.45CIA-4objcopy so that it supports distro's that use. It should make no
16:40.47CIA-4difference is TARGET_VENDOR is not set
16:40.52CIA-403ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * rcad48bac... 10/ (1 packages/meta/oplinux-packages.bb):
16:40.52CIA-4packages/meta/oplinux-packages.bb :Initial commit of meta package containing all the packages which build for OPLinux nad OPLinux
16:40.54CIA-4uclibc distro
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16:55.23cdbot2* * OE Bug 2366 has been created by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz
16:55.25cdbot2* * opensp-native fails do_compile
16:55.27cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2366
16:56.12mrdatahi
16:59.12stelioskkoen : do the email notifications for commits work ? Haven't received anything for the last commits
17:00.00koensteliosk: yes, but they have a bit of a lag
17:00.10stelioskkoen : ok
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17:00.23stelioskkoen : did you check the script for the repo update ?
17:00.31koendidn't test it yet
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17:04.27steliosk!oebug 2315
17:04.28cdbot2* * Bug 2315, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-05-14 12:50
17:04.29cdbot2* * sybren(AT)stuvel.eu: Asterisk misses speex module
17:04.30cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2315
17:04.52koendoes the asterisk in OE support chan_bluetooth already?
17:05.09stelioskcan someone check if their buid produced codec_speex.so ? normaly it should
17:05.13stelioskkoen : nop
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17:06.55koensteliosk: I unclogged the mailq
17:08.02stelioskkoen : ok they arrived
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17:12.33stelioskkoen : comming soon -> http://rafb.net/p/D3JJw027.html :)
17:13.16koenwhat's a bri?
17:13.32stelioskisdn support
17:13.36koenkoen@bitbake:/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/ppc603e-angstrom-linux/asterisk-1.2.18-r5/asterisk-1.2.18/codecs$ ls *.so
17:13.36koencodec_adpcm.so  codec_alaw.so  codec_a_mu.so  codec_g726.so  codec_gsm.so  codec_ilbc.so  codec_lpc10.so  codec_speex.so  codec_ulaw.so
17:13.52stelioskso the bug should be closed
17:14.34koenseems that way
17:14.45stelioskbasically we got full asterisk build including drivers for zaptel with big endian support
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17:16.06stelioskwill you do it ?
17:16.52XorAWTF GF started legal proceedings about the #gpe channel
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17:17.11CoreDump|homehe did?
17:17.34XorACoreDump|home: apparently #gpe is held pending legal discussion with freenode
17:17.41CoreDump|homeah that
17:17.50XorA-ChanServ- [#gpe] Hi. This channel is currently held in trust by freenode staff awaiting a legal resolution. In the meantime, you can find gpe.handhelds.org in #handhelds-gpe, and gpe.linuxtogo.org in #gpe-project. Have a nice day, and thank you for using freenode.
17:18.06CoreDump|homethat was actually florian s decision AFAIK, just in case...
17:19.06XorACoreDump|home: ah phew
17:19.10koenusing a chainsaw
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17:19.53CoreDump|homekoen: we should nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be safe!
17:20.13koenCoreDump|home: the backup servers are at OSOSL
17:20.25koennext to kernel.org, freedesktop.org and nlu2-linux.org
17:20.38koenI'd like to keep those running :)
17:20.42CoreDump|homehrmmm
17:20.45CoreDump|homeindeed
17:21.06koentiny tactical nuke
17:21.32CoreDump|homeI dislike the "tactical" part about that. It should be messy
17:22.06CoreDump|homeOTOH, kernel.org and friends have probably off-site backup servers as well =)
17:22.12stelioskCoreDump|home : its tactical before you deploy it... afterwards its really messy
17:22.14hvontres|poodlekoen: how about a "bug" in the scsi driver that causes the heads to "park" themselves all over the disk :)
17:22.22CroftonWHo is this guy?
17:22.27CoreDump|homemuhaha
17:22.52CoreDump|homehe is the only person banned on #oe =)
17:22.56koenCrofton: one of the hh.org founders
17:23.07koenCoreDump|home: it seems the ban was lifted :(
17:23.09hvontres|poodleCoreDump|home: George France, CEO and self-anointed God of hh.org, inc
17:23.20CoreDump|home* #oe Bannliste: Mon May 21 00:37:11 *!*@handhelds/founder/france
17:23.49CoreDump|homehvontres|poodle: he used to be a really cool guy :\ ( At least IMO )
17:24.00Croftonpeople get weird
17:24.03koen[17:30] koen: WTF?
17:24.03koen[17:30] koen: [17:28] france verlaat de chatruimte. (Remote closed the connection)
17:24.04koen[17:30] koen: didn't we ban his fascist ass?
17:24.17koen('verlaat' == leaves)
17:24.27Croftonwe had a local fellow that woould get to know people, then freak them out with crazy behavior
17:24.32CoreDump|homekoen: only his mask is banned, not the nickname "france"
17:25.33CoreDump|homehis ban in #openzaurus is a little bit more "generic" ;)
17:25.33Croftonkergoth, is probably wishing he could erase Integrity, like I hope I did yesterday :)
17:26.06CoreDump|home!oebug 1000
17:26.57florianhvontres|poodle: quite unlikely... these trademarks are registered to him in person
17:27.23cdbot2* * OE Bug 2315 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by skoroneos@digital-opsis.com
17:27.24cdbot2* * [Bug 2315] Asterisk misses speex module
17:27.26cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2315
17:27.35floriankoen: it might be better just to fork it... its quite easy and we could get rid of a lit of crap
17:27.37koenif he's correct about hh.org, shouldn't the trademarks and right be part of compaq/hp?
17:27.49CoreDump|home!oebug 1000
17:27.50cdbot2* * Bug 1000, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-05-17 05:27
17:27.51cdbot2* * Terminar(AT)cyberphoria.org: glibc 2.3.2-initial_2.3.2+cvs20040726 bits/* problem
17:27.52cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1000
17:30.34koenactually, I ponder about seeing how usable the apt+deb images are
17:30.37CoreDump|homelets wait with the forking until he actually gets the trademarks please
17:31.02koenwith all the patches psokolovsky puts in OE we have effectively forked it ;)
17:32.09florianheh
17:32.32koenops
17:32.37koenOMG package system
17:33.04LaibschI like that one!
17:33.07Laibsch;-)
17:33.18koenbecause it forces me to use forumspeak?
17:33.26cdbot2* * OE Bug 375 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz
17:33.28cdbot2* * [Bug 375] mpeg2dec and libmpeg2 provide the exact same
17:33.30cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375
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17:33.51hvontres|poodlekoen: can we get ops to play the valley-girl OMG when it's done?
17:34.12koenhvontres|poodle: valley girls scare me
17:35.31XorAdoes packages/meta/oplinux-packages.bb break anyone elses bitbake?
17:35.56koenchouimat: that's called bitbake ;)
17:36.02chouimatkoen ;)
17:36.28chouimatkoen why not got for erpm (Embedded RPM) ...
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17:37.22cdbot2* * OE Bug 1918 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by skoroneos@digital-opsis.com
17:37.24cdbot2* * [Bug 1918] Add soft-float support for powerpc targets
17:37.26cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1918
17:37.43likewiseoept-goet instoel <soeme voery nicoe poeckoege-versioen>
17:38.07likewises/instoel/instoell/
17:38.08hvontres|poodlelikewise: swedish chef?
17:38.18likewiseswoedish choef
17:38.20stelioskXorA : how it breaks bitbake ?
17:38.23chouimatlikewise: dutch based Interface?
17:38.25koenbork bork bork
17:38.47likewisechouimat: no, OE infected apt tools
17:38.52chouimathehe
17:38.57koenOE, the kde way
17:39.07koens/<vowel>/OE/g
17:39.14LaibschIs Joaquim Duran around?  Anybody know his nick?
17:39.55hvontres|poodlelikewise: we could call it bpm, the Borked Package Manager...that way if it Borks your system we can point back to the name :)
17:40.18chouimathvontres|poodle: LOL
17:40.26CoreDump|homehehe I like that
17:40.53koenBorg Package manager: assimilate <package>
17:41.11koenwith bittorrent backend
17:41.13hvontres|poodlekoen: does that one use -force by default?
17:41.22koenhvontres|poodle: yes
17:41.59koenhvontres|poodle: see the line below the logo: http://ohm.freedesktop.org/wiki/
17:42.00hvontres|poodlekoen: hmm, I think MS is aready using that one....
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17:42.44XorAsteliosk: if you saw it you would know :-)
17:43.26stelioskXorA : saw what ?
17:43.45XorAsteliosk: how it blows up on parsing
17:44.11stelioskXorA : which bitbake version ? I am using 1.6.7 here and works
17:44.35XorAsteliosk: the info I need is does it work for anyone, that is enough
17:44.51koenonly 5 weeks left till 1.8.x world domination
17:44.59stelioskXorA : works for me :)
17:45.13koensteliosk: btw, can asterisk use gnutls instead of openssl?
17:45.14XorAsteliosk: cool, must be disk/ram corruption here still :-(
17:45.16hvontres|poodlekoen: errgggg... I like the logo too...
17:45.34chouimatanyone know a good and easy to use CMS that can use postgresql?
17:45.40koenERROR: 1 while parsing /home/koen/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/packages/meta/oplinux-packages.bb
17:45.55koenchouimat: drupal can use postgres
17:46.12stelioskkoen : not sure never tried it
17:46.17koenXorA, steliosk: http://rafb.net/p/GjI6NV66.html
17:46.40chouimatkoen easy to use?
17:47.12koenchouimat: once you get the hang of it, yes
17:47.19koenchouimat: but every CMS confuses me
17:47.27stelioskhmmm. not showing up in 1.6
17:47.40stelioskhaven't tested with 1.8 though
17:47.55chouimatkoen I just need to build (finaly) my website ... and I don't want to lear mysql :)
17:47.57Croftonanyone familiar with u-boot and booting from NAND?
17:48.48koensteliosk: I think bitbake dislikes the 3 space tabs
17:49.17likewiseCrofton: not quite. My First NAND (u-)boot was last week...
17:49.31Croftonis the board in 1.2.0?
17:49.51CroftonI am trying to convert the DV EVM u-boot to a board that boots from NAND
17:49.52likewise1.1.6 AIRC, but it needed patches.
17:51.39XorAkoen: thats the error
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17:59.23likewiseCrofton: I tried googling for the board I used (MPC8313) but I cannot find the patches online.
18:00.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 2367 has been created by folkertvanderbeek@gmail.com
18:00.26cdbot2* * angstrom poodle: no suspend support
18:00.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2367
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18:01.19likewiseHow do we support a multiple configurations of one package? I would like to create a lighttpd-minimal and lighttpd-ssl-webdav or somesuch.
18:01.22koenhey pH5
18:01.34likewises/a multiple/multiple/
18:01.37koenlikewise: most of the times two recipes
18:01.51koenunless it supports 'plugins'
18:02.33pH5hey koen
18:02.46likewiseok, then is the normal package name (lighttpd-1.4.15.bb) the minimal config or maximal config, or somewhere inbetween?
18:03.13koenthat's open to debate
18:03.36likewiseI'll create lighttpd (http only) and lighttpd-ssl-webdav (http/https/webdav) then.
18:04.31koenand I'll respond with my usual "use cherokee"
18:05.33stelioskno beer left in Athens... Liverpool funs in town for 2 days :)
18:06.52stelioskXorA, koen : please sync with the rep and retry oplinux-packages
18:06.52CIA-403ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * r597edaa8... 10/ (1 packages/meta/oplinux-packages.bb): packages/meta/oplinux-packages.bb: fix some tab/spaces issues that made bitbake 1.8 complain when processing the package
18:09.41hrwre
18:09.51Zero_Chaosso let me get this straight, fakeroot is emulating UID0 not / ?
18:09.59Zero_Chaoswow, all these years, I had no idea
18:10.20koensteliosk: still an error over here
18:10.46Zero_Chaosdo I need to depend fakeroot to use it?
18:11.41likewisefakesu
18:11.43likewise:-)
18:12.32likewisekoen: cherokee does not do webdav (...i think...) and /me hides
18:12.44Zero_Chaosanyone tell me, I presume I should depend fakeroot if I'm using it... is that right?
18:13.00likewiseZero_Chaos: I assume that this in the manual
18:13.10Zero_Chaosthe OE manual?
18:13.14Zero_Chaoswhere can i find that?
18:13.27koenlikewise: correct: http://www.cherokee-project.com/bugs/browser/cherokee/trunk/TODO
18:13.31likewisehttp://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=recipes_fakeroot
18:13.46Zero_Chaoslikewise: many thanks
18:14.12Zero_Chaoswow, so simple.
18:14.22likewiseZero_Chaos: it took me 5 seconds to look that up, pls. try yourself before asking the really obvious questions
18:15.26Zero_Chaoslikewise: I was reading fakeroot's useless website, I lost mental stability, I'll attempt to improve :-)
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18:15.57likewiseZero_Chaos: no problem. I tend to ask stupid questions myself.
18:16.06CIA-403likewise 07org.oe.dev * rc40d025f... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): lighttpd: Added 1.4.15, for those clueless about cherokee.
18:16.35likewiseI also like www.openembedded.info
18:17.14koenlikewise: v8jlene is moving that to org.openembedded.documentation
18:17.30likewise~hail v8jlene
18:17.46ibotACTION bows down to v8jlene and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
18:17.47Croftona cool domain name though :)
18:18.24stelioskkoen : same error ?
18:18.42koenlooks the same
18:20.54stelioskwill get 1.8 installed and try it..... but its strange if its something wrong in the included python script 1.6 should also complain about it....
18:22.32hrwcu
18:23.14koensteliosk: you'd want 1.8.x anyway for your compile cluster :)
18:23.37likewisehmm, supporting upstart will probably affect all *bb...<gulp>
18:24.00koenlikewise: that's why I stayed away
18:24.24koenlikewise: it probably needs an upstart.bbclass as well
18:24.24stelioskkoen :we are trying to get a "stable" version out and then move to 1.8
18:24.38likewisekoen: so we then should have a depend on the init system in use?
18:24.54koenlikewise: to have the magic in a common file
18:25.01koenlike update-rc.d.bbclass
18:26.58koentime to watch NCIS
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18:31.25chouimatkoen http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/Media/PDFs/FY06FISMA.pdf
18:31.34chouimatkoen it's scary :)
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18:42.55koenheh
18:47.16LaibschCan a package at the same time PROVDE foo and RPROVIDE foo?
18:48.58koensure
18:48.59koenremember that those are really different things
18:48.59koenPROVIDES works on OE/bitbake level and RPROVIDES on ipkg level
18:48.59Laibschyes, which is why I was wondering
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19:05.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 2069 has been RESOLVED (WORKSFORME) by r.farina@adelphia.net
19:05.26cdbot2* * [Bug 2069] ettercap fails to build.
19:05.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2069
19:06.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 2072 has been RESOLVED (WONTFIX) by r.farina@adelphia.net
19:06.26cdbot2* * [Bug 2072] zaurus wifi
19:06.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2072
19:07.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 2074 has been RESOLVED (WORKSFORME) by r.farina@adelphia.net
19:07.26cdbot2* * [Bug 2074] opie-rdesktop build failure
19:07.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2074
19:11.24cdbot2* * OE Bug  has been RESOLVED () by santeri@santeri.se
19:11.26cdbot2* * [Bug 1852] Bison contains path to buildsystem
19:11.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=
19:12.23cdbot2* * OE Bug 2356 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by r.farina@adelphia.net
19:12.25cdbot2* * [Bug 2356] Loss of Radio connectivity
19:12.27cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2356
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19:14.29florianhi zecke
19:14.30CIA-403Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rc0e5be03... 10/ (1 MAINTAINERS): MAINTAINERS: update my entry
19:14.37CIA-403Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * re4bf9588... 10/ (1 MAINTAINERS): MAINTAINERS: update Rick Farina's entry, partly closes bug 2356.
19:14.47CIA-403Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r2070b07a... 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs):
19:14.47CIA-4libmpeg2: drop from OE.
19:14.47CIA-4Reason: mpeg2dec provides libmpeg2, see bug 375
19:14.54CIA-403Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r59d79931... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-lib/files/errordb-keysymdb-path-fix.patch): xorg-lib: drop unused errordb-keysymdb-path-fix.patch
19:15.02CIA-403Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r93674ba3... 10/ (1 removal.txt): removal.txt: add gtkmm 2.4.8 for removal. See bug 1184 for further info.
19:15.08CIA-403Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r2095c717... 10/ (1 MAINTAINERS): MAINTAINERS: update my entry
19:15.26zeckeanyone planing to go to the LinuxTag and needs a ticket?
19:16.41koenah, drat
19:16.54koenlinuxtag is happening at the wrong time
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19:25.19Kristofferlol
19:26.23cdbot2* * OE Bug 2368 has been created by r.farina@adelphia.net
19:26.25cdbot2* * Enhanced Ralink RT2570 Driver
19:26.26cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368
19:26.48ljpeven faster than your desktop?
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19:35.59Zero_Chaos!oebug 2368
19:36.01cdbot2* * Bug 2368, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-05-23 12:23
19:36.02cdbot2* * r.farina(AT)adelphia.net: Enhanced Ralink RT2570 Driver
19:36.03cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368
19:36.33Zero_Chaosis this all correct and happy? if so, can someone commit it?
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19:51.27Zero_Chaossomeone at least tell me if I did it right?
19:52.40summatusmentisZero_Chaos: what are you trying to do?
19:53.20Zero_Chaossummatusmentis: I was schooled earlier on how to properly submit something to OE, and I wanted someone to check that I have complied.
19:53.47summatusmentishrm... that bug report looks good, but I didn't know there was a protocol for it
19:54.01Zero_Chaossummatusmentis: nor did I until this morning.
19:54.03Zero_Chaos:-)
19:54.22CroftonZero_Chaos, I'll take a quick  look
19:54.26summatusmentiswhat is the protocol? is it online somewhere?
19:54.29Laibschlet's not call it protocol
19:54.41Zero_ChaosCrofton: were you here for my schooling? you know what they were looking for?
19:54.42LaibschThis is best practice and common ground
19:54.45LaibschIt helps everyone
19:54.53Croftona little
19:55.12Laibschsummatusmentis: There is a page in the OE wiki with policies
19:55.24summatusmentisLaibsch: ok, that's fair, I'll go look for them, I didn't know there was any such thing
19:55.35CroftonThis bb file contains stuff I am not good at though
19:55.40Laibschsummatusmentis: it only concerns the devs
19:55.45Laibschmore or less
19:55.45Zero_ChaosLaibsch: I agree only one issue I've run into.  If I have to modify MAINTAINERS each time I add something, I cannot add two things without a commit in between because the diffs would be odd.
19:56.11Laibsch?
19:56.29summatusmentisLaibsch: well, my hope is to help out w/ dev sometime this summer, so... good to know
19:56.29Croftonmtn commit path_to_file
19:56.36LaibschZero_Chaos: a) you don't need to add every package you ever added to MAINTAINERS
19:56.39Zero_ChaosCrofton: I don't have that access ;-)
19:56.49LaibschZero_Chaos: b) I don't understand the problem
19:57.05Croftonmtn diff path_to_file maybe?
19:57.05LaibschZero_Chaos: c) I am sure mtn can handle it
19:57.06Zero_ChaosLaibsch: I thought MAINTAINERS was appropriate so people could complain to the right person
19:57.08CroftonZero_Chaos, you may be able to commit locally
19:58.08LaibschZero_Chaos: Of course, it is good if you do it.  But most people don't add every package but indicate a general interest or a class of packages
19:58.17Zero_ChaosCrofton: point is, I change the line once, then change it later, if the diffs are applied in the wrong order it will bug out
19:58.52Croftonok
19:59.11LaibschZero_Chaos: Well, maybe one issue at a time was not so wrong after all
19:59.15CroftonI haven't worked with many kernel modules
19:59.20LaibschZero_Chaos: Just do the Maintainer file last
19:59.34LaibschOnly if you want to
19:59.39Croftonso I do not know if what you have is OK
20:00.35Zero_ChaosLaibsch: you mean just modify maintainer once when I know I'm adding a lot? I can do that, I was just worried that wasn't "proper"
20:00.35LaibschZero_Chaos: but I do understand what you are getting at, now.  So b) is no longer an issue ;-)
20:00.35CroftonZero_Chaos, in a sense we are all MAINTAINERs
20:00.40LaibschZero_Chaos: I think you are worrying too much now ;-)
20:00.41CroftonFrom time to time, update your entry
20:01.01Zero_ChaosLaibsch: forgive me for worring too much, I was schooled this morning.
20:01.13Croftondo we have a field for things we used to maintain, but lost interest in?
20:01.14LaibschZero_Chaos: Despite the impression you may currently have, we are all warm, loving humans ;-)
20:01.29CroftonZero_Chaos, koen can be rough
20:01.32CosmicPenguinI wouldn't go that far
20:01.32Croftonbut he is a good guy
20:01.35Zero_ChaosLaibsch: I'm aware, someone (a few of them even) had a bad day, and I learned something.
20:01.36LaibschCrofton: That would be the delete key
20:01.40Zero_Chaosso, no worries
20:01.43likewiseLaibsch:  :-)
20:01.48Croftonheh
20:01.56CosmicPenguinThis project was build on a solid foundation of zero-tolerance for cluelessness
20:01.57CroftonWell, I added something I used to need
20:02.15Croftonand no longer care about, but I think others have used it
20:03.01LaibschCrofton: Again, just remove it from MAINTAINERS.  You are still visible via mtn log and that won't change.
20:03.02Croftontrue :)
20:03.25LaibschCrofton: people like me who don't find an entry in MAINTAINERS will consult "mtn log" and thus find you
20:03.29LaibschYou cannot hide ;-)
20:04.02Laibschthis is your past - live with it!
20:04.09LaibschBe a man now!
20:04.16Croftonevery bad idea I ever had is in a log somewhere
20:04.28Croftonthis is open source dev at it's finest!
20:04.32anttixkoen You online? Thanx for committing my patch :)
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20:05.21anttixHowever koen I'd love if You could take a look at this issue as well http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2353
20:05.35anttixThe fix is very easy ;)
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20:07.13[cc]smartso if i get it right, the name GPE was introduced by german comapny kernelconcepts. do they not defend angainst gpe trademark takeover ?
20:08.35Laibschibot: botmail for ifaistos: Your oplinux change throws strange errors at parse time.  Please take a look and fix.
20:15.46[cc]smartQ: We have the "makedevs" package. busybox has if i got it correct taken over this idea and implemented it as a busybox component. Now i would like an enhancement to it. So i ask myself if it was better in this case to play with own makdevs or, which i think might be better, think of it as an upstream thing in busybox... ?
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20:16.30Kristoffer[cc]smart upstream is always best
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20:48.23cdbot2* * OE Bug 2369 has been created by r.farina@adelphia.net
20:48.25cdbot2* * Loss of Radio connectivity
20:48.27cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2369
20:49.23cdbot2* * OE Bug 1350 has been marked as DUPLICATE of bug 2367 *** by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz
20:49.25cdbot2* * [Bug 1350] 3.5.4.2-rc1 GPE Poodle suspend hang
20:49.27cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1350
20:49.53koenWTF?
20:49.57koen# The below line doesn't work, is there a way to remove the file from the -dev.ipk?
20:50.08koen# FILES-DEV_${PN} -= "${libdir}/liborcon.la"
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20:50.20koenthat is some serious crack you're smoking
20:50.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 2353 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl
20:50.26cdbot2* * [Bug 2353] xserver-xorg 1.2.0 package broken
20:50.28cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2353
20:50.36cdbot2* * OE Bug 1809 has been marked as DUPLICATE of bug 2367 *** by bugs.openembedded.org@rolf.leggewie.biz
20:50.38cdbot2* * [Bug 1809] GDE under poodle won't suspend right,
20:50.40cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1809
20:52.26xuumbicbrake: ping
20:53.01cbrakexuumbi: Hi Jim
20:54.20xuumbicbrake: I was wondering if you've seen bad blocks and/or file system read/write errors on any of the cm-x270 boards you've worked with
20:54.47cbrakexuumbi: I had a lot of problems with ext2 on top of the compulab NAND driver
20:55.06cbrakexuumbi: JFFS2 on a 64MB partition has been very solid for me
20:55.10xuumbicbrake: ah, that's our environment right now
20:55.45xuumbicbrake: I'm wondering if ARMmon doesn't check for bad blocks, and the mtd tools do
20:56.15cbrakexuumbi: I ran an automated test where I yanked power while writing to the disk several thousand times and the JFFS2 filesys came through :-)
20:56.20xuumbicbrake: we're seeing lots of intermittent file input/output errors
20:56.30xuumbicbrake: nice
20:57.05cbrakexuumbi: yup, I've seen the same.  I'm not exactly sure what is going on, but another compulab customer reported that if you reboot several times it heals itself ???
20:57.24cdbot2* * OE Bug 2370 has been created by r.farina@adelphia.net
20:57.25cdbot2* * 802.11 Sniffer and much more!
20:57.27cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2370
20:57.29xuumbicbrake: hmmm, I don't know about the reboots, I guess I'll try that the next time I see it
20:57.44koencbrake: tried logfs yet?
20:57.54cbrakekoen: no, I've been watching it
20:58.09xuumbicbrake: oh I wanted to ask you, your JFFS2 flashing system, does it pull the image from a thumb drive?
20:58.14cbrakekoen: but have not had time to play with it.  We really need it for these large NAND parts.
20:59.40cbrakexuumbi: yes.  One the schemes I've implemented puts the kernel, NOR rootfs, and NAND fs in a tar file with a MD5 check file, extracts this, updates the kernel and NOR if needed, and then updates the NAND fs.  
21:00.10cbrakexuumbi: the tar file is just a file with a special name on a USB disk that the system looks for on boot
21:01.47koencbrake: indeed, once you go above 128MB, jffs2 is a pain
21:01.50cbrakexuumbi: another senario we are looking at getting the update file over a network -- everyone wants something slightly different.
21:02.20koencbrake: logfs also has a *much* better low-space garbage collector algorithm
21:02.50koencbrake: you might have noticed that jffs2 needs a few % free space to stop it from self destructing
21:03.31koenlogfs needs far less free space to do gc and wearleveling
21:04.23xuumbiour boards have 128MB of NAND, so we're on the fence about JFFS2
21:04.47xuumbibut with all the file input/output errors we're having could push us over the edge
21:04.58koenjffs2 s pretty decent
21:05.12koenyaffs is just too scary
21:05.22cbrakexuumbi: I would put your main rootfs in a 64MB partition or whatever and you data in a second partition.
21:05.44cbrakexuumbi: that way the main rootfs mounts reasonably quickly and you can mount the data partition later in the boot process
21:05.55xuumbicbrake: yes that could be a solution
21:09.33koenjffs2 also doesn't support >4GB
21:09.47koenbut I suspect no one would want to use it on 8GB partitions ;)
21:10.30chouimat|awaykoen but it will be fun :)
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21:33.02RPkoen|away: I'd not recommend logfs since its error handling consists of BUG_ON() :/
21:34.55rwhitbyhrw|gone: you were looking for me?
21:43.35Zero_Chaossomeone be my friend, I have a few mtn diff's that beg for commit.
21:46.51Zero_Chaosso if someone would be my friend, 2361, 2368, 2369 and 2370 are all mtn diff that are ready for commit
21:51.01zeckeZero_Chaos: you need to patch checksums.ini as well
21:51.15Zero_Chaoszecke: say what ?
21:51.16Zero_Chaos:-)
21:51.56Zero_ChaosI remember someone telling me how to add a checksum to the download SRC_URI, but i totally forget how.
21:52.13Zero_Chaosof course that isn't what you said anyway.
21:52.31zeckeZero_Chaos: #2368, what happens with non arm CPUs?
21:52.54zeckeZero_Chaos: check conf/checksums.ini and learn by example. provide both md5 and sha256 for downloads
21:52.59Zero_Chaoszecke: it compiles using "make" not "make arm"
21:53.17Zero_Chaoszecke: yessir. I'll add the checksums
21:53.39zeckeZero_Chaos: so why is it needed to compile with make arm on ARM
21:53.45zeckeZero_Chaos: but not make ppc on powerpc?
21:55.08Zero_Chaoszecke: it's in the make file, and I think it may only support x86 and ARM
21:55.18Zero_Chaoszecke: but I am not certain on that
21:57.51Crofton|homeZero_Chaos, most of the devs are in EU, so they are out for the evening
21:58.05Crofton|homeI am US, but not at work anymore
21:58.09Crofton|homemust ride bike
21:58.50Zero_ChaosCrofton|home: no worries, I'll get to doing what zecke said and add the checksums
21:59.29zeckeZero_Chaos: I added some more questions to the bug reports, if you work on it, feel free to pester me tomorrow to commit it
21:59.35Crofton|homewhy do you need to add a checksum to the bb file?
22:00.12zeckeCrofton|home: checksums.ini
22:00.19Crofton|homeyeah looking
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22:00.58Crofton|homethis is to "improve" quality?
22:00.59zeckeCrofton|home: well, projects have the habbit to alter tarballs post a release, and you do not want to ship a binary of a tarball you have not seen
22:01.03Crofton|homeyeah
22:01.05Crofton|homeok
22:01.20Crofton|homebut if something is not entered, the old behavior appiles?
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22:01.38zeckeCrofton|home: old behaviour as in not checking?
22:01.43Crofton|homeyeah
22:01.58zeckeCrofton|home: yes, I would love to disable it soonish :)
22:02.03Crofton|homeit would calculate a check sum:)
22:02.06Crofton|homeor soemthing
22:02.12zeckeThere are some aspects with checksums
22:02.19Crofton|homeI'll make a note to add checksums for things I care about
22:03.06zeckesorry, I'm too tired...
22:03.21Crofton|home1AM over there?
22:03.31Crofton|homeor 2 for you?
22:03.32zeckeno, 0:0
22:03.42zeckebut I think this was a tough day
22:04.03Crofton|homewell I need to ride, gn
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22:10.16hrwrwhitby: yes.
22:10.41hrwrwhitby: wanted to know how goes angstrom for nslu2
22:12.37rwhitbythere is a mokoslug distro, which is a cut-down angstrom which boots on nslu2 (or at least it used to - haven't tested it for a while).  I (or someone else) need to find time to merge that stuff back into Angstrom proper (it's not very much) so that Angstrom will build for small flash devices.  The new task-base stuff should have made that much easier.
22:13.19hrwrwhitby: ok.
22:13.43hrwrwhitby: slug under my desk is waiting for hdd which is on desk and now runs openslug
22:14.16rwhitbyalso, altboot is not integrated into Angstrom for the slug yet, so there is no turnup replacement yet.
22:14.57hrwrwhitby: and no access to bootloader without making serial cable?
22:15.26rwhitbyyou can load via reset button method and upslug2 - completely safe
22:15.39hrwrwhitby: I know - thats how I put openslug on it
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22:16.25hrwrwhitby: can slug hold tftpd/cups/bt-ap/nfs server in one time?
22:16.45rwhitbyit can if it's running openwrt ;-)
22:17.09rwhitbyare you talking about internal flash, or just processing power and ram?
22:17.13hrwI do not care about openwrt
22:17.19hrwpower/ram
22:17.31hrwI will have 40GB hdd connected
22:17.34rwhitbythe openwrt jibe was just about fitting stuff in internal flash :-)
22:17.50rwhitbydunno about cups - all the rest are low memory footprint
22:18.16rwhitbyI've done tftpd and bt-ap together before with minimal ram usage
22:18.50rwhitbygive it a try and see ...
22:19.05hrwI need tftpd for one devboard here
22:19.55hrwmain reason for slug is nfs and tftpd now
22:20.05hrwbt-ap and cups are extras
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22:44.00Zero_Chaosis there a variable that points to /usr/share?
22:45.05CIA-403tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rad5421a4... 10/ (1 conf/distro/opendreambox.conf): conf/distro/opendreambox.conf: disable getty on normal ttys
22:45.35hrw|goneZero_Chaos: ${datadir}
22:45.51Zero_Chaosthanks
22:48.49Zero_Chaosoplinux-packages.bb doesn't parse, boo
22:48.49Zero_ChaosI think someone was fixing that though
22:48.50LaibschI think it was fixed.
22:48.50Laibschupdate your OE tree
22:49.17Zero_ChaosLaibsch: i can't right now, i made a million changes and are not compatible and I don't feel like reverting until my stuff is added ;-)
22:49.59hrw|goneZero_Chaos: you can update workspace with mtn when you have own added/changed files
22:50.26Zero_Chaoshrw|gone: this is all a bit new to me, I'll just keep it simple for right now ;-)
22:50.40LaibschZero_Chaos: That is why we use mtn, after all
22:50.57LaibschIt will not overwrite your changes
22:51.51Zero_ChaosLaibsch: I know I know, my point is, I don't understand it right now, like at all, but I need to fix some other requests that are more pressing.  the parse error doesn't stop work ;-)
22:52.53Laibschthat is of course true.  And I do understand the feeling
22:52.58LaibschNever touch a running system
22:53.34hvontres|poodleZero_Chaos: I think if you replace the tab with four spaces in the offending line the parse error will go away :)
22:53.52Zero_Chaoshvontres|poodle: no worries
22:53.59hvontres|poodletime to go home now :)
22:54.07Zero_Chaosgot to run, free preview of "Knocked Up"
22:54.08Zero_Chaoslater all
22:57.40Croftonhmmm
22:58.01Croftonsounds like he has his priorities in order
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23:31.23cdbot2* * OE Bug 2354 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by antti.andreimann@mail.ee
23:31.25cdbot2* * [Bug 2354] xf86-input-keyboard 1.2.0 needs xserver
23:31.27cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2354
23:33.16anttixkoen You're my hero :) Thanx for fixin xorg packages, now I can get rid of my own modifications in our local tree.
23:33.52anttixHowever I'm a dedicated pain in the butt, if You could also fix mesa build on FC6 (another silly, but easy fix) I'd owe You two more beers ;) http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2363
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