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| 00:10.21 | bioengine | Hello everyone |
| 00:10.41 | bioengine | Is this the room for OpenEmbedded for Linux? |
| 00:12.16 | bioengine | Hello? |
| 00:12.20 | bioengine | Is anyone there? |
| 00:14.13 | TheMasterMind1 | yes it is |
| 00:14.18 | TheMasterMind1 | as suggested by the topic |
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| 00:15.45 | Ecco | Hi guys ! |
| 00:16.28 | bioengine | Hi |
| 00:16.58 | Ecco | hello :-) |
| 00:17.49 | Ecco | It might not be the perfect place to ask, but what should be faster : a NAND flash with MTD block driver JFFS2 formatted, or an ext3 formated 50x CompactFlash card ? |
| 00:18.09 | mreimer | Ecco: the latter, definitely |
| 00:18.13 | bioengine | So OpenEmbedded is basically a set of software tools for developers to use? |
| 00:18.33 | Ecco | mreimer: ok, allright. That's what I thought as well |
| 00:18.46 | Ecco | but I've tested that out on my C-1000 Zaurus |
| 00:18.49 | bioengine | Sorry, I'm new, but I'm interested in embedded systems |
| 00:19.00 | Ecco | and it looked like the NAND flash performed better |
| 00:19.27 | mreimer | Ecco: depends on your mmc/sd controller |
| 00:19.35 | Ecco | bioengine: to make hard things simple : OE will let you build a rootfs from scratch that's specially targetted at embedded device. OE might even help you build a kernel |
| 00:19.50 | mreimer | Ecco: on h2200 the SD controller is about as fast as NAND, so ext2 wins over jffs2 |
| 00:20.00 | Ecco | mreimer: I'm using a CF card, not an MMC/SD. MMC/SD cards work in MMC-compatibility mode on Zaurus, which is damn slow |
| 00:20.06 | Ecco | hmm, ok |
| 00:20.31 | Ecco | According to you, what would be the best way to test performances ? |
| 00:20.34 | bioengine | What is rootfs? |
| 00:20.46 | Ecco | I tried MD5-ing a file on both FS, but that didn't look like a good test |
| 00:20.57 | Ecco | bioengine: now you should use google |
| 00:21.05 | Ecco | or your favourite search engine |
| 00:21.09 | Ecco | or wikipedia |
| 00:21.27 | Ecco | and try to figure out a bit how an Operating System work, and especially Linux |
| 00:21.43 | bioengine | OK |
| 00:22.45 | Ecco | Once again, to make it short : You provide your computer (workstation, server, or embedded, that doesn't matter) with a kernel somewhere in its addressable memory (i.e. in its RAM). The kernel is started, but once it runs it needs a whol bunch of "tools" (userland programs). Those are contained in a root file system (rootfs) |
| 00:23.17 | Ecco | "top", "man", "bash" are some of them |
| 00:23.29 | mreimer | Ecco: I just use hdparm -tT |
| 00:23.43 | Ecco | mreimer: damn. I'm feeling stupid right now :-D |
| 00:23.50 | Ecco | ;-) |
| 00:23.55 | mreimer | Ecco: I felt pretty stupid too when someone told me that :-) |
| 00:23.56 | Ecco | Oh, i'll apt-get it :-) |
| 00:24.08 | Ecco | he he :-) |
| 00:24.22 | Ecco | Ok, it's getting really late here |
| 00:24.25 | Ecco | see you later guys :-) |
| 00:26.54 | bioengine | OK, so the kernel basically provides resources for software programs written for these embedded devices to access the hardware resources |
| 00:28.15 | bioengine | OK I understand now |
| 00:28.27 | bioengine | It looks like all this stuff here is what I went to school for |
| 00:29.05 | bioengine | OK I understand much better now |
| 00:37.47 | bioengine | Where can you get CVS for Linux? |
| 00:38.24 | myopiate | yum install cvs |
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| 00:45.04 | myopiate | My kernel has hostap-modules built-in and i want to build hostap-utils. is ASSUME_PROVIDED="hostap-modules" in my local.conf the best way to stop bb from dying on this package? or is there something i can stick in the kernel's .bb file that will tell the dependency system that hostap-modules prerequisite has been satisfied? |
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| 01:52.41 | emte | i was wondering ... what would the concensus be on adding vastly different compiler support to OE for building non-linux OS's |
| 02:01.01 | TheMasterMind1 | emte: such as? |
| 02:03.13 | emte | sdcc etc |
| 02:03.20 | emte | for RTOS stuff |
| 02:03.22 | emte | etc |
| 02:04.05 | emte | its only occured to me because i am writting a PIC webserver for class |
| 02:05.06 | emte | but getting frreeRTOS into OE would be noce as well |
| 02:05.12 | emte | freeRTOS* |
| 02:06.48 | mithro | RTOS etc don't need a lot of the prebuilt OE stuff |
| 02:07.55 | emte | no it doesnt |
| 02:08.16 | emte | was thinking about the build system |
| 02:09.22 | emte | just not sure about the branching out to non 32bit systems |
| 02:09.54 | emte | its a thought, not much more |
| 02:19.39 | wrobbie | Hey there. Q: is there a nicer way to add a suid bit to /sbin/halt.sysvinit than to hack it into sysvinit_2.86.bb? (so that normal users may reboot) |
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| 04:08.27 | emte | wrobbie, aside from adding your user to a group with permissions to run it? |
| 04:09.32 | wrobbie | emte: well, that would be root group.. |
| 04:11.01 | wrobbie | emte: i guess suid would be simplest, but i was wondereing how/where best to change it |
| 04:11.31 | TheMasterMind1 | probably the postinst of the ipkg |
| 04:12.08 | wrobbie | of the sysvinit package? |
| 04:13.05 | emte | is suid installed? |
| 04:13.16 | emte | i thought it was part of sudo |
| 04:13.19 | TheMasterMind1 | not by default w/ busybox i don't think |
| 04:13.44 | emte | and you can change the group ownership of reboot/shutdown |
| 04:13.52 | emte | wheel is a common choice |
| 04:14.37 | emte | unless there is some hardcoded mechanism preventing you from changing it |
| 04:14.43 | wrobbie | hmm? i mean suid permissions bit.. ok, but how/where to change group then? :) |
| 04:14.54 | emte | actually, sec i'll try it on mine |
| 04:15.32 | emte | after a hardreboot of course ... stupid suspend |
| 04:16.34 | wrobbie | runtime chmod/chgrp is no good, as my rootfs is in ramdisk. |
| 04:19.17 | emte | ah yeah, i would nee dto modify the image ... |
| 04:19.24 | emte | forgot about that |
| 04:19.45 | emte | tho you will still need to for sudo/suid |
| 04:20.50 | wrobbie | why? just 'chmod 4755 /sbin/halt.sysvinit' would do |
| 04:22.46 | emte | but i dont think it will persist after the reboot |
| 04:23.38 | emte | for the same reason you gave |
| 04:23.51 | emte | anyway brb |
| 04:24.09 | wrobbie | exactly, so how best to do this at rootfs build time :) |
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| 07:12.07 | koen | good morning all |
| 07:12.25 | shiyee | morn |
| 07:12.38 | fishhead | <fishhead> my t5 is going in the mail this week to be repaired |
| 07:12.38 | fishhead | [03:10] <fishhead> and i GUESS they have familiar booting on them now |
| 07:12.38 | fishhead | [03:10] <fishhead> HELL YEAH! |
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| 07:20.16 | Genesis | yo |
| 07:20.52 | koen | hey Genesis |
| 07:21.00 | Genesis | hey koen :) |
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| 07:48.56 | hrw|work | morning |
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| 07:51.04 | koen | hey hrw|work |
| 07:51.04 | hrw|work | pxa mmc timeout fix is in mainline |
| 07:51.04 | koen | nice |
| 07:51.04 | koen | ~lart wlan-ng-modules |
| 07:51.04 | koen | ~lart module.bbclass |
| 07:51.35 | koen | ~lart people RDPENDING on kernel-modules |
| 07:52.07 | koen | ~lart people RDPENDING on kernel-modules again |
| 07:52.36 | koen | RP: *if* you are going to RDEPEND on kernel-modules, could you make the defconfig generate them? (tosa) |
| 07:52.53 | koen | this tosa build is getting annoying |
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| 07:54.15 | XorA | morning |
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| 07:55.38 | RP | koen: Which ares are missing? |
| 07:56.12 | koen | hold on |
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| 07:56.53 | koen | RP: could you change the non essential stuff to RRECOMMENDS? |
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| 07:57.01 | koen | like bluetooth, IR, smbfs? |
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| 07:57.57 | koen | and tosa-2.6 is broken |
| 07:58.05 | koen | there is no wlan-ng-modules-usb |
| 07:58.19 | koen | only wlan-ng-modules-usb-${KERNEL_VERSION} |
| 07:59.16 | koen | RP: | kernel-module-8250 kernel-module-serial-cs kernel-module-hci-vhci kernel-module-ir-usb kernel-module-spectrum-cs wlan-ng-modules-usb |
| 08:00.15 | hrw|work | koen: wlan-ng-modules-usb-2.6 should provide wlan-ng-modules-usb |
| 08:00.35 | koen | Provides: wlan-ng-modules-usb-2.6.16 |
| 08:00.38 | koen | and that's it |
| 08:01.18 | hrw|work | so out-of-kernel modules are fscked |
| 08:01.22 | koen | yes |
| 08:01.41 | koen | and include/zaurus-clamshell-2.6 as well |
| 08:01.58 | koen | if we change kernel.bbclass the z's are fucked |
| 08:02.47 | koen | it should use the linux_modules class to get the runtime name for kernel modules |
| 08:02.59 | koen | not hardcoding kernel-module-foo |
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| 08:05.02 | do13_ | morning all |
| 08:05.12 | koen | hey do13_ |
| 08:05.22 | do13_ | hey koen |
| 08:05.29 | hrw|work | hi dirk |
| 08:05.40 | do13_ | hey Marcin |
| 08:06.06 | hrw|work | do13_: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18471 |
| 08:06.29 | RP | hi Dirk |
| 08:06.46 | do13_ | hi Richard, thx for the patches |
| 08:06.54 | RP | koen: If you rebuilt task-bootstrap, does it get the name right? |
| 08:07.21 | do13_ | hrw|work: I know the thread, but the tosa isn't ready |
| 08:07.28 | koen | RP: it doesn't |
| 08:07.43 | hrw|work | do13_: ah. ok - just wanted to know due to last posts |
| 08:08.31 | RP | koen: I know I've seen issues with the build order and debian.bbclass's renaming not always working due to the packages getting built before the renaming has been decided... |
| 08:09.01 | RP | do13_: np :) |
| 08:09.03 | koen | it's not debian.bbclass, but eithe kernel or module-base |
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| 08:09.57 | CoreDump|home | s/-rf/-rc |
| 08:10.01 | hrw|work | Cockroach-: uf.. finally I can distribute altboot ;) |
| 08:10.28 | hrw|work | s/cockroach-/coredump |
| 08:10.45 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
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| 08:16.28 | koen | RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/clamshell-done-right.conf |
| 08:16.38 | koen | RP: that should prevent renaming accidents |
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| 08:17.48 | koen | RP: you can change the RRECOMMEND in a RDEPENDS if you really want ;) |
| 08:17.54 | hrw|work | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=firefox+for+openzaurus ;D |
| 08:18.19 | RP | koen: This is actually not needed any more - linux_modules.bbclass isn't needed any more |
| 08:19.04 | koen | it was a few weeks ago |
| 08:19.08 | do13_ | koen: What's wrong with the renaming? |
| 08:19.30 | RP | koen: package.bbclass watches any renaming performed by PKG_* and alters runtime variables accordingly |
| 08:21.05 | koen | RP: what happends in module.bbclass gets changed to emit linux-module-foo? |
| 08:21.16 | RP | koen: Its why I'm extrememly suspicous of your output above as there are no -2.6's on the end of he module names. Are you using PARALLEL_INSTALL_MODULES or not? |
| 08:21.42 | RP | koen: That wasn't why it was written - it was written to cope with PARALLE_INSTALL_MODULES |
| 08:21.57 | RP | koen: we're not likely to change "kernel-modules" into anything else |
| 08:22.09 | koen | yes, I'm using parallell install modules |
| 08:24.09 | koen | RP: but besides that, any idea on the wlan-ng-modules thing? |
| 08:25.16 | RP | koen: The 2.6.16 looks bogus - we need to find where that comes from |
| 08:25.24 | do13_ | koen: what's the problem with wlan-ng-modules |
| 08:25.44 | koen | RP: I suspect from parallel-install-modules |
| 08:25.59 | koen | do13_: it's called wlan-ng-modules-usb-2.6.16 over here |
| 08:26.05 | koen | do13_: so I can't make an image |
| 08:26.17 | RP | I think pb_ said we could remove all the parallel-install-modules code as it didn't do what was intended anyway |
| 08:26.34 | do13_ | I can't see the problem here |
| 08:26.37 | RP | koen: Angstrom doesn't really need it anyway if its 2.6 only ;-) |
| 08:26.54 | do13_ | NOTE: package bootstrap-image-1.0: completed |
| 08:26.54 | do13_ | NOTE: build 200604261922: completed |
| 08:27.33 | koen | RP: I was thinking about tracking kernel version for external modules |
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| 08:28.28 | RP | koen: You don't need parallel_install_modules for that |
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| 08:29.09 | hrw|work | RP: with angstrom we will not use stuff like 'checkversion' so what do you think about adding PR into /proc/version? |
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| 08:33.05 | RP | hrw|work: It makes sense on the Zaurus I guess |
| 08:33.05 | zecke | moin |
| 08:33.10 | RP | hi zecke |
| 08:33.35 | hrw|work | RP: 2.6.16-r11 give move infos when bug happen |
| 08:34.39 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r86a33c5f... 10/conf/distro/angstrom.conf: angstrom: remove parallel-install-modules |
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| 08:37.03 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r2c6aac8b... 10/packages/wlan-ng/wlan-ng-modules.inc: wlan-ng-modules: remove patch that was applied to svn |
| 08:37.40 | hrw|work | for scm fetched sources it would be great to have mindate/maxdate options for patches |
| 08:38.38 | koen | listing patches in a .inc is also a bit icky |
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| 08:39.39 | koen | do13_: is your .defconfig the same as the one in OE? |
| 08:40.09 | koen | do13_: I think OE is missing kernel-module-8250 kernel-module-serial-cs kernel-module-hci-vhci kernel-module-ir-usb kernel-module-spectrum-cs |
| 08:40.45 | do13_ | koen: I suspect only the cmdline is different |
| 08:42.52 | do13_ | koen: All these modules are in tmp/deploy/ipkg |
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| 08:56.16 | Ecco | Hello ! |
| 08:57.16 | koen | hey Ecco |
| 08:57.27 | Ecco | hi :-) |
| 09:16.32 | Ecco | is back |
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| 09:18.42 | hrw|work | hi Liam |
| 09:19.06 | Ecco | hi hrw|work :-) |
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| 09:20.10 | lrg | hey Marcin, morning all |
| 09:20.20 | koen | hey lrg |
| 09:20.23 | do13_ | hi Liam |
| 09:20.23 | XorA | hey lrg |
| 09:20.23 | Ecco | 'morning :) |
| 09:21.29 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r6a945357... 10/packages/gammu/ (gammu_1.05.00.bb gammu_1.06.00.bb): gammu: updated to 1.06.00 |
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| 09:30.08 | koen | zecke: http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/UserSurvey |
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| 09:36.26 | zecke | koen: hehe |
| 09:36.33 | zecke | koen: what questions would you like to rob |
| 09:36.45 | koen | a few |
| 09:36.53 | koen | but the answers are cute as well |
| 09:36.58 | zecke | lol git-fsck-objects? |
| 09:37.04 | koen | that one :) |
| 09:38.27 | zecke | koen: a SCM system is so much easier to do a query for ;) |
| 09:39.55 | koen | yes |
| 09:40.04 | koen | "how much time did it take tgo learn <foo>" |
| 09:40.25 | koen | s/tgo/to/ |
| 09:40.39 | zecke | koen: did you get my link to the current version of query questions? |
| 09:40.43 | koen | yes |
| 09:40.54 | koen | looks a lot better as the previous version |
| 09:41.39 | zecke | koen: not much is changed though (theme), ordered general etc... |
| 09:42.03 | zecke | koen: I'm sure we have tons of questions we could ask as well |
| 09:42.18 | zecke | koen: but I think we need to get an idea of our users first |
| 09:43.55 | koen | btw: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/maemo/ |
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| 09:50.15 | koen | RP, hrw|work: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19045&pid=124776&st=0&#entry124776 |
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| 09:52.52 | zecke | rejected vs. classified |
| 09:52.55 | koen | RP: you made poor little sash cry ;) |
| 09:53.57 | pb__ | hi zecke |
| 09:57.30 | koen | RP: could you add the eabi enums patch to linux oz? |
| 10:10.42 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9e58a32d... 10/packages/linux/ (handhelds-pxa-2.6/eabi-enums.patch handhelds-pxa-2.6_cvs.bb): hh-pxa 2.6 cvs: add patch to fix enums problems with eabi |
| 10:27.10 | koen | weird |
| 10:27.27 | koen | suddenly my card is eth0 instead of wlan0 after reflashing the same image and kernel |
| 10:27.59 | hrw|work | orinoco instead of hostap |
| 10:28.06 | hrw|work | common problem with 2.6+pcmciautils |
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| 10:34.02 | RP | I've just commented that they're not up to the standards I'm trying to keep the linux-openzaurus tree to... |
| 10:34.15 | RP | koen: I'll add that patch |
| 10:34.46 | zecke | RP: donate money to him, he might forgive you |
| 10:35.58 | pgas | I can't understand you're problem with donations it's not like they ask money before download or anything |
| 10:36.12 | pgas | and sashz surely is not becoming rich with donations |
| 10:36.36 | zecke | pgas: I have none ;) |
| 10:36.46 | zecke | pgas: sorry for the misunderstanding then |
| 10:37.12 | koen | pgas: if sash would actually be doing all the work, I can understand, but right now RP is doing all the work for him |
| 10:37.21 | koen | and we only get complaints back |
| 10:37.31 | koen | (and crappy patches) |
| 10:37.35 | zecke | pgas: e.g. I know RP is easy to work with |
| 10:37.45 | zecke | pgas: so I can't understand sahz's comments |
| 10:38.19 | RP | I'll reply to that thread explaining my position... |
| 10:38.29 | pgas | koen: what you can't understand? |
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| 10:39.07 | zecke | foolish kindergarten games |
| 10:39.20 | zecke | Russell is stupid he does not like my patches :) |
| 10:39.36 | pgas | where does he said that? |
| 10:39.49 | hrw|work | zecke: yes! and he has stupid mail system which ignore our mails |
| 10:39.51 | zecke | pgas: Once I first submitted my patches to russel, he turned them down. one has to live with that :) |
| 10:40.46 | zecke | pgas: and to say it like this. I'm fine with people accepting and requesting donations |
| 10:41.47 | koen | RP: would you be interested in a bootchart on a c700? |
| 10:42.52 | pgas | Isn't what he said so far (one line..I don't know what has happened privately) exactly what has happened? |
| 10:43.00 | RP | koen: yes |
| 10:43.09 | pgas | btw RP can you PM your slow mail address |
| 10:43.29 | koen | RP: running it now :) |
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| 10:52.19 | koen | RP: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/bootchart.tgz |
| 10:52.30 | koen | RP: I'm generating a report right now |
| 10:53.23 | rwhitby | g'day all |
| 10:53.33 | koen | hey rwhitby |
| 10:54.41 | rwhitby | anyone know where we're at in the 2.6.17 kernel patches cycle at the moment? |
| 10:54.42 | RP | hi rwhitby |
| 10:55.02 | RP | rwhitby: -rc3 due any day now |
| 10:55.05 | rwhitby | (i.e. when's a good time to start pushing our nslu2-linux patches that depend on RTC and LEDS?) |
| 10:55.36 | hrw|work | rc3 was released already |
| 10:55.57 | rwhitby | So rmk won't be accepting any new stuff until 2.6.17 is released now, right? |
| 10:56.16 | koen | RP: the result as SVG: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/blog/bootchart.svgz |
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| 11:03.29 | RP | koen: I'll have to look later - too busy atm, sorry :-( |
| 11:03.51 | hrw|work | RP: replied? |
| 11:08.46 | zecke | koen: I have finally busted fink :} |
| 11:10.29 | RP | rwhitby: correct. You'll have to wait until the final -rc or the actualy release, then action stations |
| 11:10.48 | RP | hrw|work: No. 20 things at once... |
| 11:11.00 | rwhitby | RP: thx |
| 11:11.04 | hrw|work | RP: happens |
| 11:12.39 | zecke | koen: how long did it take to boot? |
| 11:12.55 | RP | hrw|work: replied |
| 11:15.38 | hrw|work | nice thx |
| 11:17.42 | koen | zecke: long, as is expected on a pxa250 with swap on sd |
| 11:17.50 | koen | zecke: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/blog/pyblosxom.cgi/2006/Apr/27 |
| 11:23.48 | obergix[work] | http://www.flickr.com/photos/urubatan/133534393/ |
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| 11:26.49 | obergix[work] | http://www.flickr.com/photos/pandacam/134471904/ |
| 11:27.14 | koen | I wonder how much browser will get sick over 10kpix wide .png :) |
| 11:29.33 | zecke | koen: at least the CPU was utilized 100%? |
| 11:31.48 | koen | zecke: probably swapping like crazy to sd |
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| 11:51.44 | koen | zecke: the next commit is dedicated to you :) |
| 11:53.16 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rac0211db... 10/packages/bootchart/bootchart_0.9.bb: |
| 11:53.16 | CIA-9 | bootchart 0.9: add the device part of bootchart, a neat way to view the boot process of your favourite device. |
| 11:53.16 | CIA-9 | read the recipe on how to use it |
| 11:54.09 | hrw|work | ~lart bugzilla for bugs output being nonconfigurable |
| 11:54.11 | koen | I'd be interested in bootcharts on non broken devices |
| 11:54.31 | koen | e.g !corgi and !poodle and !5000d |
| 11:57.50 | koen | zecke: new kismac: http://kismac.de/ |
| 12:01.41 | zecke | koen: well, I think passive scanning is still not working |
| 12:02.36 | zecke | koen: oh it has passive scanning |
| 12:02.38 | zecke | wow |
| 12:03.19 | koen | zecke: that's why I mentioned it :) |
| 12:03.34 | koen | (and because it has google earth integration) |
| 12:03.52 | zecke | koen: hopefully they rewrote kismac with Qt then |
| 12:04.04 | zecke | koen: would be more easy to port it to Qt4/X11 then |
| 12:10.52 | zecke | hmm |
| 12:11.16 | zecke | AirPort: can't allocate contiguous below 0x40000000 |
| 12:11.20 | zecke | hmm /me restarts |
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| 12:17.03 | hrw|work | fsck.. commited in wrong branch |
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| 12:22.19 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/angstrom/unstable/images/tosa/ |
| 12:27.08 | RP | koen: The modules worked? |
| 12:27.53 | koen | RP: it seems to |
| 12:29.23 | RP | koen: So no idea what went wrong? :-/ |
| 12:29.38 | koen | I removed parallel-install-modules... |
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| 12:43.52 | hrw|work | zecke: bitbake 1.4.0 works GREAT with .oz354x |
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| 12:45.21 | zecke | nice to hear |
| 12:46.13 | hrw|work | who maintain bluez in OE? |
| 12:46.31 | hrw|work | other then 'noone' |
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| 12:47.09 | koen | team opie is responsible for the -nodbus stuff |
| 12:48.12 | XorA | hrw|work: you after your next chickin :-) |
| 12:48.44 | hrw|work | XorA: no fscking way - no BT hardware for Z here |
| 12:48.50 | hrw|work | my bt cf card died |
| 12:49.06 | XorA | hrw|work: btw meant to ask, any luck with your IR keyboard? |
| 12:49.43 | hrw|work | no time |
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| 12:53.01 | koen | hey tnb |
| 12:53.22 | koen | tnb: opie cvs now has ODevice support for hx4700 |
| 12:57.15 | tnb | hi koen |
| 12:57.34 | tnb | cool :) |
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| 13:08.21 | hrw|work | koen: can you build hostap-modules 0.4.7 against 2.6.16/tosa? |
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| 13:10.36 | koen | hrw|work: NOTE: package hostap-modules-0.4.7-r4: task do_build: completed |
| 13:10.55 | hrw|work | thx |
| 13:11.35 | rwhitby | speaking of hostap |
| 13:11.49 | rwhitby | is hostap-daemon missing a DEPENDS on openssl? |
| 13:12.03 | rwhitby | In file included from ieee802_1x.c:34: |
| 13:12.04 | rwhitby | md5.h:20:25: openssl/md5.h: No such file or directory |
| 13:12.37 | hrw|work | rwhitby: can you look into .oz354x changes? |
| 13:13.16 | rwhitby | hrw|work: We don't even sync .oz354x |
| 13:13.27 | hrw|work | ok.. missing this depend too |
| 13:14.44 | koen | NOTE: package twm-1.0.1: completed |
| 13:14.45 | rwhitby | hrw|work: are you adding that depends? I don't want to be editing the same file as you and need to do a manual merge. |
| 13:15.26 | hrw|work | koen: cool! default wm for angstrom is now in OE :) |
| 13:15.37 | hrw|work | rwhitby: add it |
| 13:16.44 | hrw|work | koen: shouldnt all those GPE related bugs be moved to hh.org bugtracker? |
| 13:17.05 | koen | hrw|work: no idea |
| 13:17.07 | hrw|work | 887 888 889 891 |
| 13:17.21 | koen | hrw|work: in hh.org bugtracker we can't close them since they affect familiar |
| 13:17.37 | koen | hrw|work: or 'some people' will close them because they are oz bugs |
| 13:19.20 | hrw|work | and if I will close them (as invalid) with note 'report them in gpe' then someone will tell me that I did it wrong |
| 13:19.35 | koen | probably |
| 13:19.50 | koen | I'd ignore them |
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| 13:21.29 | rwhitby | hrw|work: added DEPENDS="openssl" |
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| 13:21.48 | hrw|work | rwhitby: ok - I'm not hostap maintainer |
| 13:22.27 | rwhitby | mickey|tv: added DEPENDS="openssl" to hostap-daemon.inc |
| 13:23.07 | koen | btw, the monotone syncer is offline right now |
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| 13:37.22 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:38.23 | hrw|work | hi chouimat |
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| 13:47.06 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9a9b8859... 10/packages/xlibs/libxkbui_1.0.1.bb: libxkbui: merge from #870 |
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| 13:47.15 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r27ff1d30... 10/packages/x11-apps/ (app-common.inc bdftopcf_1.0.0.bb): bdftopcf: merge from #870 |
| 13:47.19 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra7a25d47... 10/packages/x11-apps/iceauth_1.0.1.bb: iceauth: merge from #870 |
| 13:47.24 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5e5f8550... 10/packages/x11-apps/mkfontscale_1.0.1.bb: mkfontscale: merge from #870 |
| 13:47.27 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7441b040... 10/packages/x11-apps/mkfontdir_1.0.1.bb: mkfontdir: merge from #870 |
| 13:47.31 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf99ae356... 10/packages/x11-apps/rgb_1.0.0.bb: rgb: merge from #870 |
| 13:47.35 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5f5b2866... 10/packages/x11-apps/twm_1.0.1.bb: twm: merge from #870 |
| 13:47.39 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * refda3f90... 10/packages/x11-apps/xauth_1.0.1.bb: xauth: merge from #870 |
| 13:47.44 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r7134dba3... 10/packages/x11-apps/xeyes_1.0.1.bb: xeyes: merge from #870 |
| 13:52.36 | hrw|work | s/x11-apps/xorg-apps/ |
| 13:52.45 | hrw|work | gnumeric is x11 app too |
| 13:58.41 | hrw|work | koen: you have gcc4 builddir - can you rebuild /tmp/kdepimpi/kdepimpi_2.2.5.bb and /tmp/kdepimpi/pwmpi_2.2.5.bb on ewi (in that order)? |
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| 14:00.58 | luke-jr_ | hrw|work: why are apps specific to xorg? |
| 14:01.33 | luke-jr_ | did they fork the protocol? |
| 14:01.47 | zecke | #894 how can this happen without sticking a finger in the arse? |
| 14:02.01 | hrw|work | luke-jr_: twm is part of x.org |
| 14:02.33 | hrw|work | zecke: someone will rm wrong file for example |
| 14:02.39 | luke-jr_ | hrw|work: ah, so it's not "apps for x.org", it's "apps included with x.org" :) |
| 14:02.45 | hrw|work | luke-jr_: yep |
| 14:02.59 | hrw|work | luke-jr_: or even 'apps included in x.org' |
| 14:03.09 | luke-jr_ | hrw|work: blame Gentoo for my misunderstanding :) |
| 14:03.15 | zecke | hrw|work: well... |
| 14:07.59 | koen | man |
| 14:08.09 | koen | kde pimp is still compiling |
| 14:08.16 | koen | must be all the bling that makes it heavy |
| 14:08.38 | hrw|work | koen: ~30m |
| 14:08.55 | hrw|work | ~dict bling |
| 14:09.36 | koen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bling |
| 14:10.11 | rwhitby | root |
| 14:10.11 | hrw|work | gracias |
| 14:11.08 | zecke | hrw|work: what if someone removes or creates a stamp and then configure files? |
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| 14:11.15 | zecke | hrw|work: is that bitbake bug as well? |
| 14:11.42 | zecke | :} |
| 14:15.10 | rob_w|mis | ok so i now figured my boost problems .. which of course where home made |
| 14:16.03 | rob_w|mis | now i took the oe.db.bz2 , got rid off my very old .dev directory and did a pull ... but now i want to a checkout and it says it has multiple heads ! any hints |
| 14:16.17 | NA|Gone | rob_w|mis: monotone merge |
| 14:16.19 | zecke | rob_w|mis: sleect one |
| 14:16.27 | koen | pull again |
| 14:16.42 | rob_w|mis | ok koen i pull again |
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| 14:17.13 | rob_w|mis | ok sucessfull exchange |
| 14:17.59 | rob_w|mis | now checkout ? like monotone --db=OE.db checkout --branch=org.openembedded.dev |
| 14:19.22 | rob_w|mis | hmm still it says: monotone missuse : branch has multiple heads ?!? |
| 14:19.22 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r74bbc498... 10/packages/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_1.0.6.bb: nfs-utils: disable PARALLEL_MAKE - close #845 |
| 14:19.26 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * ra6368c2a... 10/packages/nfs-utils/ (files/nfsserver nfs-utils_1.0.6.bb): nfs-utils: updated to .dev version |
| 14:19.30 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r9f500cdc... 10/packages/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_1.0.6.bb: nfs-utils: disable PARALLEL_MAKE - close #845 |
| 14:21.26 | rob_w|mis | ok merge does something |
| 14:23.03 | koen | hrw|work: NOTE: package kdepimpi-2.2.5: completed |
| 14:23.17 | hrw|work | koen: thx |
| 14:23.20 | zecke | cya |
| 14:23.52 | koen | hrw|work: pwmwmwmewmmwempi is building now |
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| 14:24.38 | koen | hrw|work: NOTE: package pwmpi-2.2.5-r1: task do_build: completed |
| 14:24.59 | hrw|work | cool |
| 14:30.00 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rf4d24bf2... 10/packages/kdepimpi/ (files/gcc4.patch kdepimpi_2.2.5.bb pwmpi.inc): kdepimpi: added patches from #848 |
| 14:30.05 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r0248315b... 10/packages/kdepimpi/ (files/gcc4.patch kdepimpi_2.2.7.bb pwmpi.inc): kdepimpi: added patches from #848 |
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| 14:43.20 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r060d9460... 10/packages/mesa/mesa_6.4.1+cvs20060101.bb: mesa: merge 6.4.1 from #870 |
| 14:44.48 | hrw|work | koen: can you check DEPENDS of gemdropx from .dev? |
| 14:45.28 | Laibsch | anthy does not build, although mickey|tv claimed it build for him. http://rafb.net/paste/results/j8VS6936.html |
| 14:45.43 | Laibsch | see bug 632 |
| 14:46.14 | koen | Laibsch: update your repo |
| 14:46.19 | koen | koen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/packages/xorg-fonts$ ls ../anthy/ |
| 14:46.19 | koen | anthy-native_6801.bb anthy_6801.bb files |
| 14:46.46 | koen | ah wait |
| 14:46.52 | koen | the usual mickeyl dep loop |
| 14:47.14 | Laibsch | yes, I think so. I did copy it the native stuff over, IIRC |
| 14:47.35 | Laibsch | Repo should be up2date within a few hours. |
| 14:47.43 | Laibsch | Status from about noon. |
| 14:47.45 | Laibsch | CET |
| 14:48.39 | koen | 'a few hours' is ancient with OE ;) |
| 14:49.29 | Laibsch | Life is too fast-paced. Sigh ;-) |
| 14:49.44 | Laibsch | It took me a couple of hours for the initial build, so please forgive me ;-) |
| 14:50.24 | Laibsch | Indeed, 34 new revs in. you guys are pumpin' 'em out like crazy. |
| 14:51.49 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * ra4209d7a... 10/packages/gemdropx/gemdropx_0.9.bb: gemdropx: added libsdl-image into DEPENDS |
| 14:51.53 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r22671698... 10/packages/xorg-fonts/ (5 files): font-alias, font-cursor-misc font-misc-misc, font-util: merge from #870 |
| 14:51.57 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5a6bba87... 10/packages/anthy/anthy-native_6801.bb: anthy-native: break dep-loop |
| 14:52.04 | koen | Laibsch: there you go |
| 14:52.06 | Laibsch | Thanks kone |
| 14:52.10 | Laibsch | Thanks koen |
| 14:52.12 | Laibsch | oops |
| 14:54.05 | koen | hrm |
| 14:54.11 | koen | the xorg stuff builds again |
| 14:58.28 | koen | hey CoreDump|work |
| 14:59.00 | hrw|work | hi coredump |
| 14:59.16 | CoreDump|work | hi hrw|work |
| 15:01.12 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8c7a203e... 10/packages/x11-apps/xclock_1.0.1.bb: xclock: merge from #870 |
| 15:01.16 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r48171551... 10/packages/x11-apps/xinit_1.0.1.bb: xinit: merge from #870 |
| 15:01.20 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r199eb2ee... 10/packages/x11-apps/xkbcomp_1.0.1.bb: xkbcomp: merge from #870 |
| 15:01.24 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rff69e782... 10/packages/xorg-data/ (data-common.inc xbitmaps_1.0.1.bb xkbdata_1.0.1.bb): xorg-date: merge from #870 |
| 15:02.52 | mickey|tv | ok, guys, I'm leaving until Sunday. Take care and behave ;) c'ya |
| 15:04.19 | hrw|work | have fun mickey|weekend |
| 15:10.10 | koen | mickey|weekend: have fun |
| 15:11.12 | hrw|work | cu all |
| 15:11.16 | hrw|work | gym today... |
| 15:16.59 | koen | CosmicPenguin: I can't get the xserver from #870 to work, could you attach your versions? |
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| 15:18.07 | CIA-9 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r718895e3... 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: slugos-packages: Demoted pwc as it fails to build. |
| 15:18.11 | CIA-9 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r3f0a9654... 10/packages/hostap/hostap-daemon.inc: hostap-daemon: Added DEPENDS=openssl for openssl/md5.h build requirement. |
| 15:18.15 | CIA-9 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rd8df52a5... 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: slugos-packages: Demoted qc-usb-messenger as it fails to build. |
| 15:18.20 | CIA-9 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rf0eb2ff6... 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: slugos-packages: Demoted ircp from ucslugc as it fails to build. |
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| 15:20.28 | CosmicPenguin | koen: sure thing |
| 15:21.55 | koen | CosmicPenguin: thanks |
| 15:22.19 | woglinde | hi koen and cosmic |
| 15:22.54 | koen | hey woglinde |
| 15:26.26 | Laibsch | .dev has multiple heads |
| 15:26.48 | woglinde | laibsch hm mine not |
| 15:27.00 | Laibsch | when did you last update? |
| 15:27.11 | woglinde | 30 min ago |
| 15:27.20 | Laibsch | I did about 15 minutes ago ;-) |
| 15:27.30 | Laibsch | No, 1 minute ago |
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| 15:27.53 | Laibsch | just before calling monotone update |
| 15:28.36 | woglinde | hm |
| 15:28.43 | woglinde | I feel lucky |
| 15:31.10 | koen | try pulling now |
| 15:31.42 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * raa6f9aaa... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom 2006.9: use qte-mt |
| 15:32.59 | Laibsch | koen: Thank you. I will. |
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| 15:42.24 | koen | NOTE: package konqueror-embedded-20060404-r2: task do_compile: started |
| 15:42.26 | koen | finally |
| 15:43.01 | Laibsch | good work! |
| 15:43.24 | koen | it's zecke's and mickeyl's work |
| 15:43.28 | Laibsch | I wonder if I will like it on my PDA. I never liked it on the Desktop |
| 15:43.44 | Laibsch | hail zecke, hail mickeyl! |
| 15:44.12 | woglinde | laibsch there is no alternative |
| 15:44.31 | koen | if you use opie, that is |
| 15:44.52 | Laibsch | I see. |
| 15:45.04 | Laibsch | anthy still bitches around. |
| 15:45.06 | Laibsch | :-\ |
| 15:45.31 | woglinde | koen what is it on gpe? |
| 15:45.36 | woglinde | opera? |
| 15:46.15 | koen | woglinde: firefox, minimo, gpe-mini-browser, web, dillo2, links -g, dillo |
| 15:46.17 | koen | and probably more |
| 15:46.36 | woglinde | hm firefox on an embbed device? |
| 15:46.49 | woglinde | still minimo is to big |
| 15:46.55 | Laibsch | sounds crazy doesn't it |
| 15:46.59 | koen | 'embedded' |
| 15:47.11 | koen | 600MHz devices with a vga display and 6GB of HD |
| 15:47.30 | Laibsch | My laptop only has 600 MHz |
| 15:47.33 | Laibsch | ;-) |
| 15:47.48 | Laibsch | It is quite sufficient, but RAM is tight. |
| 15:47.54 | koen | the first laptop I used was 20 MHz or something |
| 15:47.56 | Laibsch | That is why I upgraded it |
| 15:48.11 | Laibsch | koen: Was that an Internet PC? |
| 15:48.12 | Laibsch | ;-) |
| 15:48.22 | koen | heh |
| 15:48.31 | woglinde | *g* |
| 15:55.46 | aquadran | how i can include packages at build image time with mask selection like libxine-plugin-* ? if i add to INSTALL_PACKAGES it doesn't work. |
| 15:57.55 | alan|home | :v libmjpegtools -v 2006 |
| 15:58.12 | alan|home | wrong chan, sorry... |
| 16:00.12 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
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| 16:03.02 | raduga | hmfn |
| 16:04.22 | raduga | koen: is there a quick fix to make konq configure? |
| 16:04.52 | koen | raduga: depends on your DISTRO |
| 16:05.00 | raduga | .dev? |
| 16:05.02 | koen | it works out of the box with angstrom :) |
| 16:05.04 | raduga | er. akita? |
| 16:05.06 | raduga | oh :) |
| 16:05.25 | raduga | [2~| checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (library qte-mt) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 16:06.10 | koen | raduga: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/getdiff.py?id1=ff69e782c20a0704ee33d9057834c0b39112e72c&id2=aa6f9aaabdcd4ae0fc3588b296bfb909b1deb0fa |
| 16:06.11 | raduga | oh, oops |
| 16:06.26 | raduga | koen: unmet dependency. i've got it rolling now |
| 16:07.04 | raduga | (it already built libqt. i couldn't see why it was complaining) |
| 16:07.19 | raduga | manually baking qte-mt now |
| 16:08.24 | raduga | koen: unfortunately, one of my strongest motivations for switching back to OZ (from pdaX) evaporated overnight ;) |
| 16:08.41 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf5cd7ec0... 10/packages/linux/ (ep93xx-kernel/eabi-enums.patch ep93xx-kernel_2.6.16.bb): ep93xx 2.6.16: apply eabi enums patch |
| 16:08.42 | raduga | i've been really itching to try UQM, since it supposedly builds/runs on OZ now |
| 16:08.54 | raduga | (I can't get it to build for pdaXrom) |
| 16:09.01 | raduga | but last night someone posted an ipk |
| 16:09.14 | RP | koen: That patch is on my site btw (always has been) |
| 16:09.26 | koen | RP: ah, I missed that |
| 16:10.44 | koen | raduga: a working kernel 2.6 install is still nice to have |
| 16:11.34 | raduga | yes :) |
| 16:11.36 | CosmicPenguin | koen: .bbs attached to 870 |
| 16:11.37 | CosmicPenguin | good luck |
| 16:11.45 | koen | CosmicPenguin: thanks again |
| 16:11.55 | raduga | 2.6 has alsa working? |
| 16:12.09 | koen | yes |
| 16:12.15 | raduga | (in general. I realise there are some hardware specific issues) |
| 16:12.18 | raduga | good:) |
| 16:12.30 | koen | with nice tricks like auto switching to headphone when you insert them |
| 16:12.41 | raduga | has anyone tried timidity with alsa seq support? |
| 16:12.50 | raduga | is it at all useable, or just... awful? |
| 16:13.23 | raduga | (timidity running as a daemon, providing an alsa sequencer device) |
| 16:13.36 | raduga | my main problem with timidity right now, is the horrible start up delay. |
| 16:14.02 | raduga | if it was persistent, maybe the delay would be less. |
| 16:15.15 | raduga | koen: when things are a little more stable, I would really like to keep a dual boot, with pdaXrom for playing games, and other bleeding edge idiocies, and OZ for actually getting work done |
| 16:15.33 | raduga | if that can ever be a reality |
| 16:15.34 | koen | heh |
| 16:15.40 | koen | pdaX 'bleeding edge'? |
| 16:15.53 | raduga | koen: you deny that they are bleeding? |
| 16:15.55 | raduga | or bloody? |
| 16:16.04 | RP | Why doesn't OZ play games? |
| 16:16.07 | raduga | the 'edge' may be questionable |
| 16:16.31 | raduga | RP: pdaXrom X server is (at the moment) a little faster |
| 16:16.42 | raduga | and in the times I've tried it, more stable than GPE's |
| 16:17.03 | raduga | RP: with proper acceleration, that becomes less an issue |
| 16:17.17 | RP | acceleration will happen... |
| 16:17.18 | koen | I bet 2.6 + kdrive beats the hell out of 2.4 + xfree |
| 16:17.32 | raduga | koen: i will be happy if it will |
| 16:17.49 | raduga | koen: and my NAND will get a little less wear from reflashing |
| 16:17.52 | RP | raduga: I'd try it as the other speedups we have in OZ will probably more than make up for it |
| 16:18.07 | raduga | RP: i try both. :) switch every few months |
| 16:18.41 | raduga | RP: my last build of .dev was 2006/01/30 |
| 16:19.04 | koen | raduga: try to flash oz3541 RC1 |
| 16:19.04 | RP | raduga: Which device? |
| 16:19.20 | raduga | koen: better that, than the .dev ? |
| 16:19.25 | RP | koen: rmk has request people test a patch series... |
| 16:19.34 | koen | RP: the irq ones? |
| 16:19.40 | RP | koen: yes |
| 16:19.41 | raduga | RP: akita |
| 16:19.58 | koen | tglx has the roughly same board board as I have |
| 16:20.13 | raduga | i tried the oz354 RC (with 2.4) and 20060130 .dev (with 2.6) |
| 16:20.37 | raduga | sound was semi-broken at the time (fixed by now i think) |
| 16:20.48 | RP | raduga: We've probably improved a few things since then, esp. the sound. As koen said, try the latest OZ 3451-rc |
| 16:21.08 | RP | koen: I'm wondering about the Zaurii... |
| 16:21.20 | raduga | RP: you recommend the RC, instead of building my own .dev tree? |
| 16:21.49 | lardman|work | Is this thread correct? (pxa270 video acceleration is now implemented): http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19099 |
| 16:22.13 | lardman|work | hello everyone by the way |
| 16:22.17 | koen | hey lardman|work |
| 16:22.25 | lardman|work | hi koen |
| 16:22.28 | koen | lardman|work: s/implemented/gross hack/ |
| 16:22.28 | woglinde | hi lardman |
| 16:22.41 | lardman|work | hi woglinde |
| 16:22.56 | RP | lardman|work: implemented by the pdaxrom people in a way I'm not 100% happy with for OZ |
| 16:23.01 | lardman|work | koen: well it's something to counter the "but it doesn't have acceleration" |
| 16:23.03 | raduga | hm. there's an akita specific feed, |
| 16:23.14 | lardman|work | RP: Ah, I see; do they have a working 2.6 kernel then? |
| 16:23.20 | raduga | and its dated 25apr, so probably fine :) |
| 16:23.29 | RP | lardman|work: It doesn't have acceleration, it had overlay support which can accelerate video playback |
| 16:23.30 | raduga | lardman: yes, I read the forums |
| 16:23.40 | RP | lardman|work: They're working on it |
| 16:23.47 | raduga | lardman: and I recognise that accel is a work in progress on both sides |
| 16:24.24 | RP | raduga: I've recommend the release for now or toe oz351 branch although .dev should be just as good (if a little more unstable) |
| 16:24.24 | lardman|work | RP: Is there a problem with implementing overlay support? It would be another reason for people to move |
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| 16:24.45 | lardman|work | raduga: ok |
| 16:24.51 | RP | lardman|work: time on my part |
| 16:25.02 | lardman|work | RP: That I can understand :) |
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| 16:25.22 | raduga | RP: thanks. it looks like the rc1 is pretty recent (couple days old) and has an akita feed, so probably not a lot to be gained from my own bake |
| 16:25.49 | raduga | so, thanks :) |
| 16:25.55 | RP | lardman|work: I just don't have enough time to do everything everyone would like me to do :-/ |
| 16:26.16 | RP | lardman|work: viva for what? Congratulations regardless :) |
| 16:26.20 | lardman|work | RP: Yep, that's fair enough |
| 16:26.24 | lardman|work | RP: PhD |
| 16:26.36 | lardman|work | and thanks :) |
| 16:26.55 | woglinde | lardman grats |
| 16:27.05 | woglinde | lardman what was the topic? |
| 16:27.06 | koen | lardman|work: congrats |
| 16:27.17 | lardman|work | thanks woglinde, koen |
| 16:27.19 | Bernardo | hi |
| 16:27.36 | lardman|work | Topic was Automative engineering, driveability stuff |
| 16:27.50 | lardman|work | s/Automative/Automotive |
| 16:27.51 | Laibsch | "bitbake anthy" still fails. mkdepgrah which I guess should be built in the process (there is a mkdepgraph.c) cannot be found: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4Ay1RF55.html |
| 16:27.57 | RP | lardman|work: I couldn't face doing a PhD - would have tied me into Uni world too much :). My masters viva was bad enough... |
| 16:28.27 | lardman|work | RP: I'm feeling the pain now, I had a real grilling and have to do some 'amendments' ;) |
| 16:29.27 | CosmicPenguin | mmm...grilling |
| 16:29.56 | lardman|work | If only it were that way :D - almost bbq weather here! |
| 16:30.30 | CosmicPenguin | I've been grilling for months - like a little snow is going to stop me... :) |
| 16:31.02 | RP | lardman|work: Mine was to determine the final outcome of my degree and the topic was "anything you studied in Physics or anything else we happen to ask about". The only consolation was preparation was a waste of time! |
| 16:31.18 | woglinde | hm my family will make the first bbq of the year on saturday |
| 16:31.51 | lardman|work | RP: I think that's the way of things - difficult to step back and see what others will look at |
| 16:34.37 | woglinde | hm maybe my master visa is some topic about opensource software engeneering |
| 16:37.28 | lardman|work | Anyone here know about xmame? Bug #182 |
| 16:37.58 | lardman|work | I was just thinking that Octave uses a fp number to determine the endianness, and with the FPA soft-float system, this is bigendian |
| 16:38.10 | lardman|work | no matter that the processor is littleendian |
| 16:38.28 | koen | lardman|work: actually the cpu is neither |
| 16:38.37 | koen | lardman|work: you can swith it to BE is you want to |
| 16:38.38 | lardman|work | koen: okay, it can be both |
| 16:39.00 | lardman|work | koen: But in context, the FPA numbers are always bigendian, no matter what the processor is |
| 16:39.57 | koen | yeah |
| 16:40.08 | lardman|work | Bring on vfp ;) |
| 16:40.27 | lardman|work | I was just wondering whether this might be a reason for the presumably odd error with xmame |
| 16:40.48 | koen | lardman|work: DISTRO="angstrom-2006.9" and you get softvfp |
| 16:41.02 | lardman|work | koen: I know, I've grabbed your test image |
| 16:41.11 | lardman|work | koen: Thanks |
| 16:41.31 | koen | RP: does networking stuff export enums to userland? |
| 16:41.49 | RP | koen: No idea offhand. I know v4l and ltt do |
| 16:42.12 | koen | RP: does linux-oz have the patch in .dev? |
| 16:42.19 | RP | koen: not yet |
| 16:43.25 | raduga | RP: thanks for your 2.6 work :) |
| 16:47.50 | pgas | raduga: RP will have your 760 "soon" |
| 16:49.08 | RP | raduga, pgas: thanks (This is a semi functional device in case anyone doesn't realise) |
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| 16:50.07 | raduga | pgas: wonderful! |
| 16:50.30 | raduga | pgas: i guess i should ask, "is it not working anymore?" |
| 16:50.45 | raduga | i.e. is there a warranty condition I should know about |
| 16:50.52 | pgas | non it's still working |
| 16:50.52 | raduga | so I can refund your money? |
| 16:50.56 | raduga | ok :) |
| 16:51.26 | pgas | I've just switch my server to an epia based one |
| 16:51.45 | raduga | pgas: actually I was thinking, based on the forum posts, that guylhem might be interested in poking at a "C760 with a broken screen" |
| 16:51.58 | raduga | but from what he now says, it looks like he's beyond that point where it would help |
| 16:53.12 | pgas | I also still use your case ;) |
| 16:53.20 | raduga | RP: last I had it, it was booting, running fine, except for display. Also, X wouldn't run, and I'm not positive about QT (probably they were looking for some feedback from the screen that was missing) |
| 16:53.38 | raduga | pgas: good. Keep away from water! |
| 16:53.44 | goxboxlive | My harddisk is beginning to fill up, which files i can i delete and which not delete? I dont want to generat lovales again, it takes ages. |
| 16:53.59 | pgas | raduga: X is running for me, I was able to acces it through VNC |
| 16:54.27 | woglinde | goxboxlive buy a new disk |
| 16:54.28 | lardman|work | bye guys |
| 16:54.29 | raduga | pgas: glad to hear that. maybe I was doing something wrong (its been awhile) |
| 16:54.32 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 16:54.53 | RP | raduga: At the very least it will let me properly fix the backlight controller on my 760 :) |
| 16:54.56 | raduga | though vnc uses its own virtual X server |
| 16:55.07 | goxboxlive | woglinde: And what to do when the new one is filled up? |
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| 16:55.15 | raduga | RP: good :) |
| 16:55.24 | raduga | i think the BL is still ok |
| 16:55.29 | raduga | it powers on (or used to) |
| 16:55.44 | pgas | yeah BL is ok |
| 16:55.45 | raduga | goboxlive: when the new one is full, buy another new one |
| 16:55.49 | RP | raduga: It still does as far as I know |
| 16:56.22 | raduga | pgas: thanks again for helping me get a new zaurus. |
| 16:56.23 | woglinde | goxbox dontuse the donkey |
| 16:56.54 | raduga | RP: pgas' sent me more money than it was probably worth, in exchange for the Z |
| 16:56.57 | pgas | raduga: I was using x11vnc I don't think it starts its own server |
| 16:57.11 | raduga | RP: which helped quite a lot. |
| 16:57.25 | raduga | RP: i think he is a good person, btw. |
| 16:57.26 | koen | pgas: xdamagevnc is a lot faster |
| 16:57.27 | goxboxlive | woglinde: What du you mean? |
| 16:57.35 | woglinde | goxbox edonkey |
| 16:58.05 | goxboxlive | i dont, i just want to free up some space. |
| 16:59.27 | raduga | rp: is QVGA video still a long ways off? |
| 17:00.04 | RP | raduga: Not a long way off - just needs to be done properly |
| 17:00.11 | raduga | thanks :) |
| 17:08.39 | woglinde | hi chouimat |
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| 17:45.00 | koen | RP: more insults: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19045&pid=124815&st=0&#entry124815 |
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| 17:51.49 | pgas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.16 | koen | yes |
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| 17:52.28 | koen | by having much better grammar and spelling |
| 17:53.05 | pgas | oh your english is also superior :) |
| 17:53.18 | koen | "don't you understand the smiley?" |
| 17:53.28 | raduga | someone should port Serdar Argic to Zaurus :/ |
| 17:53.28 | raduga | and let him loose in the forum |
| 17:55.18 | pgas | hmm my nose tells me that I have some real life shit to pick up.....damn dog |
| 17:56.08 | fishhead | pgas carpet? |
| 17:56.31 | pgas | not sure yet.. |
| 17:56.48 | fishhead | get some oxyclean and mix with hot water or the liquid which is really peroxide |
| 17:57.07 | fishhead | well you need a good detergent too to get rid of the grease/fat compunds in s*** |
| 17:57.12 | fishhead | but it will help |
| 17:57.14 | fishhead | bbl |
| 17:57.22 | raduga | is it a new dog, or an old dog? |
| 17:57.24 | pgas | thanks :) |
| 17:57.44 | fishhead | I also btw found a new product in walmart |
| 17:57.55 | fishhead | it's a bunch of natural chemicals like pepper, etc |
| 17:58.01 | fishhead | you can put in a area to keep pets away |
| 17:58.08 | fishhead | it pisses them off and irritates them |
| 17:58.12 | fishhead | but it's not damaging or toxic |
| 17:58.21 | fishhead | just makes them go "f*** this i ain't going there again" |
| 17:59.00 | pgas | I should buy this and put it on my ethernet cable... |
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| 18:18.33 | RP | koen: I just see some replies saying no flaming please. Was something removed? |
| 18:19.41 | woglinde | rp/koen how can I define a machine config only with processorname like msp430- instead of arm-linux- |
| 18:20.38 | koen | RP: sashz said something like "OZ hates pdaX because pdaX is much better, blablabla" |
| 18:20.38 | RP | woglinde: That sounds like something I'd be dubious about doing. Is it not going to run linux? |
| 18:20.57 | koen | TARGET_OS = ""? |
| 18:21.00 | woglinde | rp right is the mikrokontroller msp430 |
| 18:21.14 | woglinde | koen ah hm |
| 18:21.35 | RP | woglinde: ok, fair enough. I'm not sure OE has done this before :) |
| 18:21.56 | woglinde | hm my local.conf was broken |
| 18:22.11 | woglinde | ARGET_OS produces msp430-invalid |
| 18:22.11 | RP | koen: I'd tried not to be inflamatry as well... |
| 18:24.07 | woglinde | rp first I only want build a toolchain |
| 18:24.14 | RP | woglinde: Which variable is that in? You probably need to work that out and trace back from there |
| 18:24.23 | woglinde | hm |
| 18:25.00 | woglinde | TARGET_OS ="" produces msp430- |
| 18:27.16 | woglinde | hm isnt that easy to change it |
| 18:31.48 | koen | I'd love to see toolchains for microcontrollers in OE |
| 18:35.15 | woglinde | hm but what should I take as TARGET_OS |
| 18:36.50 | gremlin[it] | TARGET_OS = "firmware" or "custom" ? |
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| 18:37.51 | nelson | Hmmmm..... today is Happy Kergoth's Birthday day. |
| 18:38.01 | gremlin[it] | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:38.01 | woglinde | nelson oh thanks |
| 18:38.22 | CosmicPenguin | crap! We should have figured it out a bit earlier, and send him some scotch or something |
| 19:02.42 | CIA-9 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rc2b2b886... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.16.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Add eabi fix (applied in mainline) |
| 19:02.45 | CIA-9 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r9130fe4b... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add linux-nokia770 2.6.12.3 |
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| 19:04.37 | koen | RP: thanks |
| 19:04.51 | cyrilRomain | evening ! |
| 19:07.07 | RP | koen: The kernel .bb is not tested and simple but should work |
| 19:07.19 | RP | (well, not tested on a device, it builds) |
| 19:07.32 | RP | evening cyrilRomain! |
| 19:07.39 | cyrilRomain | hey RP |
| 19:07.46 | koen | RP: I just realised 2.6.12 is quite worthless for eabi... |
| 19:09.11 | RP | koen: Yes :-/. I can't help unless they release a more recent version |
| 19:09.21 | koen | RP: I know |
| 19:09.37 | koen | RP: it's quite fishy that they kernel source isn't online anymore |
| 19:10.40 | RP | koen: yes. Since they are making devices public, there should be something releases somewhere though? |
| 19:10.48 | koen | yes |
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| 19:11.00 | koen | but sharp doesn't have the sources for the kernel on the device either |
| 19:11.26 | koen | (tosa framebuffer problems come to mind) |
| 19:11.50 | koen | the nokia wifi driver also says 'GPL', but still no source |
| 19:12.27 | woglinde | koen pff |
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| 19:25.30 | koen | heh |
| 19:25.31 | koen | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2006/04/27/404-things-i-learned |
| 19:28.11 | raduga | ok, just installed 3.5.4.1rc1 / OZ/opie on akita :/ |
| 19:28.32 | raduga | boots fine until it hits the "starting opie" and then, seems to lock |
| 19:28.37 | koen | opie? |
| 19:28.38 | koen | yuck |
| 19:28.44 | raduga | blank screen with a cursor (not moving) |
| 19:28.57 | raduga | koen: yep :/ |
| 19:29.04 | koen | try gpe |
| 19:29.11 | RP | raduga: not good :-( |
| 19:29.14 | raduga | koen: will do, shortly |
| 19:29.30 | raduga | RP: bad flash? or something funny in the image? |
| 19:29.32 | koen | RP: I suspect the "new pcmcia device found" nonsense |
| 19:29.39 | raduga | hrmf |
| 19:29.44 | koen | wait, akita |
| 19:29.45 | koen | hmmm |
| 19:29.52 | raduga | akita, yes |
| 19:30.00 | raduga | no cf/sd cards in slots |
| 19:30.31 | RP | raduga: If you switch to a virtual console is the device still running? |
| 19:30.53 | RP | Perhaps the images are bad - I know some of the images hrw has built have had issues... |
| 19:31.09 | raduga | rp: <alt>arrow not responsive |
| 19:31.16 | raduga | and i have no network configured, so can't SSH in yet |
| 19:31.48 | RP | raduga: Fn + Arrow |
| 19:32.01 | raduga | urk. |
| 19:32.07 | raduga | fn-arrow not presonsive either |
| 19:32.39 | hrw | fsck |
| 19:32.42 | koen | hey hrw |
| 19:32.47 | raduga | hi hrw! |
| 19:32.59 | hrw | ~lart my home desktop |
| 19:34.18 | RP | hi hrw |
| 19:34.29 | raduga | hrw: 3.5.4.1rc for akita, can't start opie |
| 19:34.37 | hrw | raduga: and other cxx00 too |
| 19:34.46 | hrw | no idea what is wrong |
| 19:34.52 | hrw | works on my c760 |
| 19:34.58 | raduga | hrw: ok. so someone's reported it :) [good] |
| 19:35.35 | hrw | raduga: officially I dont even know about this |
| 19:36.35 | hrw | 'Nie mozna utworzyc folderu INBOX na serwerze.' ;(( ('Unable to create folder INBOX on server.') |
| 19:37.03 | hrw | fsck |
| 19:37.05 | raduga | hrw: should I officially report to bugs.oe.org? |
| 19:37.20 | hrw | good thinking |
| 19:37.20 | raduga | hrw: or should I officially leave you alone right now? :) |
| 19:37.34 | hrw | raduga: on my z it works |
| 19:38.42 | RP | If its reported we can looks into it. I can try my c3000 opie images for example. If they work and hrw's don't we know its a build issue. They did work in alpha1 :-/ |
| 19:44.24 | hrw | 3 if not 4 threads about same thing and pdaX admin does not even merge them |
| 19:44.34 | koen | heh |
| 19:44.43 | koen | and sash just keeps insulting OZ and RP |
| 19:44.49 | koen | and laze keeps removing those comments |
| 19:44.55 | raduga | hrw: pdaX admin has at least, deleted a few really inappropriate posts |
| 19:45.01 | raduga | (from pdaX users) |
| 19:45.07 | raduga | oh |
| 19:45.08 | raduga | hmm |
| 19:45.23 | raduga | koen: is he removing posts from OE/OZ people too? |
| 19:45.31 | koen | raduga: no idea |
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| 19:45.43 | hrw | raduga: so finally 'pdax people are nice, OZ devels are ignoring bastards which should be .....' situation exist |
| 19:45.46 | hrw | coool |
| 19:45.50 | Crofton | post and see if it is deleted |
| 19:46.20 | raduga | hrw: hm... |
| 19:48.21 | hrw | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19107 == 'Thanks for working so hard on pdaXrom guys and the help you've given me sashz. Can't wait for 2.6 kernel to come out.' - no word of source of Zaurus 2.6 kernel | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19099 = 'I heard that pdaX has 2.6 with video accel - when Oz will get it??' etc |
| 19:49.22 | koen | Packaged contents of uqm into /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/deploy/ipk/uqm_0.5.0-r0_arm.ipk |
| 19:50.01 | RP | I've said what I'm going to say on the issue. sash appears to be trying to start a fight... |
| 19:53.24 | koen | OZ: responsible for porting kernel 2.6, pdaX: downloaded source + patches from internet |
| 19:53.47 | koen | gee, I really see how hard the pdaZ team is working and needs to be praised |
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| 19:54.37 | pgas | bah you guys really live in you world |
| 19:54.51 | pgas | you seems to think that nobody knows who's doing what |
| 19:55.05 | pgas | people are not idiots |
| 19:55.17 | pgas | they knwo who worked on the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:55.24 | raduga | pgas: everyone lives in their own world |
| 19:55.41 | koen | pgas: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19107 |
| 19:55.50 | koen | pgas: " can't wait for 2.6 to come out" |
| 19:56.01 | koen | pgas: It is already out! |
| 19:56.16 | hrw | we use 2.6 on Z since OZ 3.5.2? |
| 19:56.28 | pgas | and people don't know that? |
| 19:56.32 | pgas | they do know that |
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| 19:57.01 | pgas | people have been using oz and 2.6 |
| 19:57.29 | pgas | you seem to think that everyone wrongly use pdaxrom which is bad |
| 19:57.57 | pgas | but I know a lot of people who uses exclusively OZ (and a lot because of the 2.6 kernel) |
| 19:58.16 | pgas | And I know a lot more that uses sharp/cacko |
| 19:58.52 | koen | I remember sash saying "2.6 sucks we won't use it" |
| 19:59.03 | koen | and now he's all "please RP, help me, we are too stupid" |
| 19:59.16 | koen | but does he say that on the forum? |
| 19:59.31 | koen | no, over there he's all "we did all the work ourselves, OZ sucks" |
| 19:59.43 | pgas | yeah sure |
| 20:00.11 | pgas | I remember when raduga asks sashz if he wanted his 760 |
| 20:00.19 | hrw | interesting thing is that there is no answer from sash to RP post |
| 20:00.28 | pgas | and raduga also asks him if he should donate it to OZ |
| 20:00.31 | koen | hrw: there was |
| 20:00.35 | koen | hrw: but laze deleted it |
| 20:00.37 | pgas | sashz answered sur |
| 20:00.50 | pgas | koen: which is a good thing |
| 20:00.59 | pgas | s/sur/sure |
| 20:01.06 | koen | pgas: as we said, it's now a good thing |
| 20:01.07 | hrw | koen: for me there is no info - I cannot trace oesf 5 times per minute |
| 20:01.16 | koen | 21:45 < hrw> raduga: so finally 'pdax people are nice, OZ devels are ignoring bastards which should be .....' situation exist |
| 20:01.17 | raduga | rp/hrw: 3.5.4.1rc1 boots to console ok, at least. |
| 20:01.47 | raduga | what would you invoke to start opie from the console? |
| 20:02.01 | woglinde | qpe |
| 20:02.07 | RP | raduga: /etc/init.d/opie start? |
| 20:03.59 | koen | pgas: if laze was really serious, he'd deleted *all* flaming posts |
| 20:04.11 | koen | pgas: but he didn't, and we all know why |
| 20:04.44 | pgas | koen: which posts are you talking about? |
| 20:05.19 | pgas | koen, there was no flame war before YOU came to these forums (which you continuously bash) |
| 20:05.36 | koen | heh |
| 20:05.44 | koen | I didn't steal the OE name |
| 20:10.42 | hrw | hmm.. I was going to write about pdax/2.6 on blog but does not want to have flamewar in comments (if any) |
| 20:11.10 | koen | turn comments off? |
| 20:11.33 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:12.04 | koen | after the n+1th spambot hit I turned them off |
| 20:12.34 | hrw | koen: wordpress has nice plugin for spam comments (which does not work on sf.net :( |
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| 20:13.07 | koen | pyblosxom also has a plugin, but as usual it requires python munging |
| 20:13.39 | Ecco | Hi :-) |
| 20:14.27 | woglinde | hi ecco |
| 20:14.35 | Ecco | hello woglinde |
| 20:15.45 | raduga | btw, I've verified- qpe doesn't actually hang the machine |
| 20:15.54 | raduga | kernel is running ok. just the console is locked |
| 20:15.56 | raduga | and unresponsive |
| 20:16.12 | RP | raduga: Any idea what the error is? |
| 20:16.19 | raduga | rp: not yet :) |
| 20:16.28 | hrw | raduga: kernel also 3.5.4.1-rc1? |
| 20:16.41 | raduga | hrw: yes |
| 20:16.46 | raduga | from same source |
| 20:16.56 | raduga | Linux akita 2.6.16 #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 25 19:07:30 CEST 2006 armv5tel unknown |
| 20:17.17 | Ecco | raduga: You're running OZ on a C-1000 ? |
| 20:17.21 | raduga | ecco: yes |
| 20:17.30 | Ecco | Have you ever experience some really weird problems with Gadget-USB ? |
| 20:17.44 | raduga | ecco: right now, experiencing problems getting Opie to run at all. |
| 20:17.46 | Ecco | experienced, sorry |
| 20:17.51 | Ecco | Ah, never tried OPIE though |
| 20:18.00 | Ecco | Indeed i switched over to debian anyway :-D |
| 20:18.04 | raduga | sorry, unfamiliar with gadget-usb |
| 20:18.20 | Ecco | ok. It sometimes just doesn't work for no appearant reason on mine |
| 20:18.53 | hrw | raduga: I prefer cat /proc/version then uname -a |
| 20:19.09 | raduga | Linux version 2.6.16-3.5.4.1-rc1 (hrw@bitbake) (gcc version 3.4.4) #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 25 19:07:30 CEST 2006 |
| 20:19.53 | hrw | tx |
| 20:20.00 | woglinde | hm does the hh-kernel not work wit gcc4? |
| 20:20.23 | koen | woglinde: the 2.6 one does |
| 20:20.47 | koen | woglinde: 2.6.16-hh0 boots on a hx4700 compiled with gcc 4.1 |
| 20:21.19 | woglinde | koen I meant because of the oz kernel from raduga |
| 20:21.59 | koen | woglinde: oz is still being compiled with gcc3 |
| 20:22.15 | woglinde | koen ah okay |
| 20:22.34 | koen | woglinde: in the release branch at least |
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| 20:23.05 | raduga | woglinde: i think 2.6 kernel is being developed by sashz, but OE people want to pretend that they had something to do with it |
| 20:23.24 | raduga | koen: sorry ;) |
| 20:23.34 | woglinde | raduga please dont feed me with that stuff |
| 20:24.12 | raduga | woglinde: ok |
| 20:24.43 | woglinde | raduga I see enough devices and projects which violate the GPL |
| 20:28.11 | cyrilRomain | Did anyone encountered this problem building coreutils-native (target=tosa) http://oe.pastebin.com/683848 ? |
| 20:28.56 | woglinde | hrw if I had a collie |
| 20:29.03 | woglinde | ups *would |
| 20:29.31 | Ecco | woglinde: he wanted to swap the other way round :-) |
| 20:29.51 | koen | hrw: maybe zecke |
| 20:30.02 | hrw | koen: zecke already has collie |
| 20:30.10 | woglinde | ecco *shame on me* |
| 20:30.34 | Ecco | no pb :-) |
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| 20:53.24 | tutu | ave artemy |
| 20:53.40 | artemysfr | ave tutu, morituri te salutant ! |
| 20:58.20 | cyrilRomain | Question about ARM qemu image generation: it can be done with MACHINE="qemuarm". But do I need a separate OE base directory to build it ? |
| 20:59.17 | RP | cyrilRomain: Did you use multimachine? |
| 21:00.45 | cyrilRomain | RP: multimachine ? I don't think so. |
| 21:01.15 | cyrilRomain | RP: is it a special local.conf option that enable me to build qemuarm + tosa with one build directory ? |
| 21:01.56 | RP | cyrilRomain: under tmp/work do you have an armv5te-linux directory? |
| 21:02.14 | cyrilRomain | RP: yes |
| 21:02.37 | RP | cyrilRomain: ok, you're using multimachine - certain distros default to it |
| 21:02.47 | RP | cyrilRomain: Just change the machine and it will work |
| 21:04.10 | cyrilRomain | RP: ok, thanks :) |
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| 21:08.42 | cyrilRomain | RP: are there still the gcc 4.x compiling issues for qemu-native ? |
| 21:09.25 | cyrilRomain | RP: no apparently :) |
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| 21:10.14 | RP | cyrilRomain: There are two qemu-native packages, one will work on gcc4, one won't. I'm not sure sdl graphics are enabled on the gcc4 version though |
| 21:10.55 | cyrilRomain | RP: at least qemu-native was compiled when building ansgtrom :) Thanks for the info |
| 21:11.20 | RP | cyrilRomain: Its the build system's gcc that's the problem |
| 21:11.32 | RP | if you have qemu-native, you have the full thing |
| 21:14.22 | cyrilRomain | well, I only have gcc4.1 on my buildhost, so angstrom should have use to good one :) |
| 21:14.43 | cyrilRomain | s/use/used |
| 21:20.48 | CIA-9 | 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r7373c093... 10/packages/anthy/ (6 files in 4 dirs): anthy-native: build fix |
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| 21:48.14 | hrw | cu |
| 21:48.51 | Ecco | Hello |
| 21:48.58 | Ecco | Has anyone here booted off a CF card ? |
| 21:49.16 | CosmicPenguin | you mean in general, or do you have a platform in mind? |
| 21:50.17 | Ecco | on a Zaurus C-1000 |
| 21:50.43 | Ecco | What's weird is that I can access it through /dev/hda2 when the system works |
| 21:50.49 | Ecco | so I added "root=/dev/hda2" |
| 21:51.27 | Ecco | and now it ends up with "cannot open root device "hda2" or unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 21:51.39 | Ecco | and then panics because it didn't find a rootfs |
| 21:53.57 | RP | Ecco: Did you have the filesystem on the card compiled into the kernel? |
| 21:54.09 | Ecco | Ah... yeah, normally yeah |
| 21:54.14 | Ecco | It's ext3 formatted |
| 21:54.17 | Ecco | I'm gonna check that |
| 21:54.21 | RP | Ecco: Also, you might need to add a small delay |
| 21:54.32 | RP | Ecco: It does work as the c3x00's do this as standard |
| 21:54.33 | Ecco | ah |
| 21:54.42 | Ecco | Ha |
| 21:54.47 | Ecco | How do I add that delay ? |
| 21:55.19 | Ecco | By the way, hello RP :-) |
| 21:55.44 | RP | Its a standard kernel parameter - can't remember what it is offhand, sorry |
| 21:55.47 | RP | hello :) |
| 21:55.51 | Ecco | hmm |
| 21:56.02 | Ecco | Do you know where those parameters are stored in OE ? |
| 21:56.10 | Ecco | I'm also looking for the console-rotation thingy |
| 21:56.22 | RP | linux-openzaurus.inc |
| 21:56.25 | Ecco | thanks |
| 21:57.05 | Ecco | CMDLINE_ROOT_spitz = "root=/dev/hda1 rootfstype=ext3 rw" |
| 21:57.13 | Ecco | hmm, theres no such thing here... |
| 21:57.23 | CoreDump|home | re |
| 21:57.30 | RP | hi CoreDump|home |
| 21:57.33 | Ecco | -> THAT is great though : CMDLINE_ROTATE_akita = "fbcon=rotate:1" |
| 21:57.36 | Ecco | hi CoreDump|home |
| 21:58.53 | RP | Ecco: Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt in any good linux source, search for delay |
| 21:58.59 | Ecco | ok, thanks a lot |
| 21:59.12 | Ecco | but how comes it's not enabled by default on spitz then ? |
| 21:59.24 | RP | I guess I found it wasn't needed in the end |
| 21:59.31 | Ecco | oh, ok |
| 21:59.31 | Ecco | :-) |
| 21:59.42 | Ecco | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.42 | Ecco | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.47 | Ecco | Guess that's it :-) |
| 21:59.52 | Ecco | Ok, gcc is heating :-) |
| 22:01.21 | Ecco | flashing the Z.... |
| 22:02.28 | Ecco | ... |
| 22:02.46 | Ecco | flashed ! |
| 22:02.49 | Ecco | rebooting !! |
| 22:03.11 | Ecco | well |
| 22:03.17 | Ecco | in a way it worked a bit better |
| 22:03.27 | Ecco | 1/ the screen rotated |
| 22:03.43 | Ecco | 2/ The PCMCIA driver had the time to "react" a bit |
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| 22:03.52 | Ecco | ok, I'm gonna add some more delay :-) |
| 22:05.28 | Ecco | reflashing... |
| 22:06.51 | Ecco | hmm |
| 22:06.56 | Ecco | no, it did not work |
| 22:08.36 | Ecco | Any other idea, guys ? |
| 22:08.47 | Zero_Chaos | Ecco: try again |
| 22:08.53 | Ecco | ?? |
| 22:09.06 | Zero_Chaos | Ecco: sounds like your flash failed.... 1 minute flash... doubtful |
| 22:09.21 | Ecco | Oh, no, I mean it went a lot quicker |
| 22:10.09 | Ecco | I still get that weird VFS error |
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| 22:31.07 | RP | Ecco: Did you set the right rootfs type? Is your card partitioned? |
| 22:31.43 | Ecco | yeah, my card is partitionned |
| 22:31.46 | Ecco | I set rootfs:ext3 |
| 22:32.02 | Ecco | and I included the "advanced partitionning" support in the kernel |
| 22:33.06 | RP | I don't know then I'm afraid |
| 22:33.23 | Ecco | Hmm, yes, that looks weird to me as well |
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