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00:07.41LaibschIs anybody inclined to take a look at http://prdownloads.sourceforge.jp/zaurus-ja/9316/imkit-0.4.5.tar.gz ?  It is probably the missing link before we have the first Japanese input method on OpenEmbedded (YEAH!).  I do not see anything called configure or MAKEFILE or some such.  How does this thing compile?
00:07.41LaibschI looked into the Japanese README and INSTALL file but from I can tell there aren't really any instructions on how to compile this either. I guess, this might be trivial for somebody who knows about compiling (which I don't really), I'm just poking around.  
00:07.42Laibschpb__ once suggested here that the contained .pro files might be a build file for #opie but I have since gotten some doubts about this theory after looking at the contents of the .pro files.  They talk about tmake.
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00:12.32CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rd17f6096... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-oz-2.6: Add kexec patch and correct a poodle build failure.
00:14.53ScytheBlade1What is the dreambox tree that the GettingStarted wants me to fetch, anyways?
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00:17.59Laibschimkit-anthy.pro looks like http://rafb.net/paste/results/IiyZqB95.html Anybody recognize what kind of format this could be?
00:18.32koenScytheBlade1: a branch for dreambox PVR machines
00:18.58ScytheBlade1But, thanks for the answer :)
00:19.46LaibschAnybody have a sample bb file that uses tmake?
00:20.57ScytheBlade1My first time through setting it up, I also grabbed the dreambox tree ;)
00:21.07ScytheBlade1(Assuming that it was needed)
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00:52.42CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * rfbfe9aad... 10/packages/linux/ep93xx-kernel/defconfig: ep93xx kernel: update defconfig to include pcmcia, ipv6 and more usefull stuff
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01:03.05ScytheBlade1Out of semi-morbid curiosity, how many revisions are in the tree from a fresh copy of this?
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01:09.18Zero_Chaoshow do I pull a fresh copy of the meta data? www.openembedded.org is down... is there a mirror somewhere?
01:11.35Laibschoe.handhelds.org
01:13.34Zero_Chaosthanks
01:14.36CIA-403nail 07org.oe.dev * re397c9db... 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: slugos-packages: Move wview-packages to glibc only feeds
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01:35.19JustinPZero_Chaos: ask ibot
01:35.22JustinP~ewi
01:35.24ibotrumour has it, ewi is ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl - main backup server for OE monotone. Hosts database snapshot: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2
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02:59.07Zero_Chaosis all the main "breakage stuff" done? because I'm getting some nasty errors that I don't think I should be getting.
02:59.31JustinPsuch as?
03:00.13Zero_ChaosJustinP: my SD slot stopped working, and now I'm getting build errors referencing the sd directory for the embedix kernel
03:00.18Zero_ChaosJustinP: on a collie
03:00.39NA|ZzzZero_Chaos: I had to rm -rf tmp before it would build post-breakage.
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03:01.03Zero_ChaosNA|Zzz: I'll give it a shot, but it's erroring in packages/
03:01.18JustinPwhat kind of build errors?
03:01.50Zero_ChaosJustinP: give me a few, I'll get it and pastebin it.
03:03.46JustinPwill be back, getting off the bus
03:24.58Zero_Chaosof course, now that I say something, it's not giving me an error....
03:46.05CoreDump|afkJustinP: this would be part of a modified gpe-bootsplash
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03:50.05JustinPCoreDump|afk: :-)
03:51.18CoreDump|afkthe interesting part is of convincing the GPE folks to allow for the changes =) cp gpe-bootsplash e-bootsplash is trivial but not very elegant
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04:35.15CoreDump|afkJustinP: I'm changing entrance to use update-alternatives if you don'tmind
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04:37.14simcop2387anyone happen to be able to compile gcc and g++ for a collie? i keep getting problems with it wanting gmp with some support for f95, how would i either fix this (i have compiled gmp) or tell it to not add f95?
04:39.52shadowsgrr, linux-openzaurus-2.6.15-r4 fails to compile using gcc 4.0.2
04:45.25JustinPCoreDump|afk: go right ahead
04:45.39CoreDump|afkheh actually I'm sort of lost in the makefile
04:45.48JustinPwhich makefile?
04:46.42CoreDump|afketc/init.d/entrance is installed via entrance/config/Makefile AFAICT
04:50.01CoreDump|afkgpe-dm is already done, gpe-login is an interesting task tho. They should have put it inside gpe-dm
04:54.58emtemoo
04:58.04emtehmm
04:58.20emtehow to get the info off my ipaq to reinstall the image ...
04:59.47CoreDump|afkJustinP: lol I give up. The Makefiles are _bad_. Can't make any sense of it... Could you just hack it to install entrance's init script into /etc/X11/login-managers/entrance instead if /etc/init.d/entrance? I can do the rest
05:11.54JustinPCoreDump|afk: sure
05:12.02JustinPCoreDump|afk: I'll try
05:12.29emtehmm
05:12.37emteseems backing up is missing now too
05:14.03simcop2387my only complaint is that none of the browsers seem to support http authentication, or rendering as if you had a larger screen so that you could scroll more if you wanted, places like wikipedia render poorly because of the menu on the left on collie
05:14.46emteisnt that an issue for the oz devs?
05:15.05simcop2387probably but i saw people were talking about gpe and i'm trying to get gcc going
05:15.23JustinPsimcop2387: firefox ;-)
05:15.35simcop2387JustinP: i'm working on that one after gcc :)
05:15.45shadowsafter gcc?
05:15.53simcop2387after i get gcc on the zaurus
05:15.54shadowsi've been trying to make gcc 4.0.2 work
05:15.55shadowsoh
05:15.57emteit builds fine for me
05:16.05simcop2387emte: i'm not sure either
05:16.05emteoh wait
05:16.11emteNOT 4.x
05:16.17simcop2387i've been trying all versions
05:16.18emtei dont think that will build yet
05:16.25simcop2387they all muck up with fortran support
05:16.29emtenormally jsut build 3.3.4
05:16.48emtewhy are you building fortran support?
05:16.56simcop2387i'm not its enabled by default
05:17.31JustinPsimcop2387: I just built firefox ^_^ it will be very very slow on a collie, though....just so you know
05:17.33emtehmm
05:18.11emtewell i just found one symlink issue
05:18.20simcop2387JustinP: konq and gpe-mini are a little slow too
05:18.27shadowsemte: using gcc 4.0.2 got up to the kernel, and now it fails at the kernel
05:18.45shadowsemte: who do i pester about that?
05:19.08emteyourself if your going to fix all the problems wtrying to use gcc 4.x
05:19.13emtetrying*
05:19.22emtei suggest installing an older gcc
05:19.55emteor read the mailing list to findout if anyone else has gcc 4.x working
05:21.52emtenow ... where is my serial cradle
05:23.05JustinPshadows: yes, gcc 4 is not going to build most things, it breaks compiling on many programs
05:23.17JustinPshadows: why are you building things with gcc 4?
05:24.32emteprobably default for his distro
05:27.47simcop2387ooo internal compiler error using the 2.95.3 arm-linux-gcc from the howto
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05:42.27shadowsJustinP: amd64 build host
05:42.39shadowsJustinP: everything else generates crap object code ?
05:44.01JustinPshadows: ....
05:44.13JustinPshadows: is this host compiler? is it not compiling the cross compiler?
05:49.22simcop2387thats it, i'm just going to wait until OZ 3.5.4 is released
05:50.26shadowsJustinP: the cross compiler, host compiler, and target compiler
05:50.29shadowsall set to 4.0.2
05:50.54shadowsso, the 4.0.2 cross initial is building the openzaurus kernel
05:51.00JustinPshadows: I suggest leaving the cross-compiler at 3....
05:51.34shadowswell yeah, except that on amd64 build host, the cross initial gcc3 produces hosed object code
05:51.50shadowsmaking it fairly useless for serious work
05:52.48shadowshttp://oz.pastebin.com/546218
05:52.56emteshadows, did you read eth list for 64bit hosts?
05:53.17emtei think zeck builds on one
05:55.12shadowsnot sure what eth list is
05:57.22shadowsgoogle turns up some interesting result -> http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2006/Jan/2638.html
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06:05.30shadowsRP: there's some trouble with ide_end_rw_disk and its use in the kernel code.   the type is not clear to gcc4
06:05.39shadowsRP: i.e. it is used before it is defined
06:13.35JustinPand off to bed
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06:20.56emteAHA
06:21.08emteit helps if you dont confuse your USB and Serial cradles
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06:33.52minipandaemte: hi ;-)
06:34.05emtehey
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07:18.22emtehmm
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07:46.29alan|homemorning
07:46.53emtemorn
07:49.06pb_zecke: good morning
07:49.24emtehmm
07:49.53emtethere must be a way to change my MAC without installing macchanger ...
07:50.18emteotherwise it would have been added to the repo
07:50.36emtewould someone like to fill me in on what it would be?
07:50.41emtepls
07:54.26emtehmm
07:54.30emtetime for sleep then
07:56.19zeckehey
07:56.35zeckepb_: why are you awake already? :}
07:56.40alan|homeemte: still here ?
07:57.06zeckepb_: git tree is always complete
07:58.37pb_zecke: rock
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08:48.22XorAmorning
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09:03.31RPmorning all
09:03.41RPzecke: Did you get kergoth's botmail?
09:04.14RPshadows: Its fixed in the version I sent to mainline - the zaurus tree just needs to catch up
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09:24.50hrw|workdzien dobry
09:37.20koengood morning all
09:37.50hrw|workbin/libusb-config should be in libusb or rather in libusb-dev?
09:37.52hrw|workhi koen
09:38.05koenhey hrw|work
09:38.18koen-dev I'd say
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09:42.02XorAhrw|work: almost certainly dev
09:42.10XorAhrw|work: also the .bb should inherit binconfig
09:42.38hrw|workok
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09:44.34XorAkoen: wishing for a GeForce now?
09:44.41koennah
09:44.48koensame shit, different card
09:44.57koenmy ati now has opensource drivers
09:45.05koenjst waiting for ubuntu to include them
09:45.16koen(9800pr0)
09:46.06XorAkoen: luckilly the GeForce drivers are shit hot so ive never had issue with their closedness
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09:49.51do13_morning all
09:50.07koenhey dirk
09:50.16hrw|workhi dirk
09:50.34do13_Hi koen, hrw|work
09:56.10_law_hmm today gpe-image wont build, gaim_cvs doesnt work any ideas how i set version from yesterday as default?
09:56.26_law_in my local.conf
09:57.30koengaim_cvs should be fixed to september
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09:59.26Bernardogood morning
09:59.55koenhey Bernardo
10:00.08_law_koen, if i say bitbake gpe-image in .dev i get gaim_cvs+currentdate
10:01.09koenthat means somthing is wrong
10:01.47koenah
10:01.54koenyou want gaim_2.0.0-cvs-mco1.bb, not gaim_cvs.bb
10:04.28_law_but currently i use gaim_cvs
10:05.55koenshiyee is working on porting his patches to 2.0beta or current cvs
10:06.08do13_Someone played with http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/ ?
10:06.33hrw|workI have usbutils which does not need libstdc++ :)
10:06.44XorAhrw|work: yay
10:07.30XorA_law_: on .dev branch there is no preffered version for gaim, prefferred-gpe-versions-2.8.inc is empty
10:08.20hrw|workpreffered-gpe-versions-*.inc are mess
10:08.46XorAhrw|work: they do an essential task though
10:10.32hrw|workXorA: but distros has to fix libgpewidget, gnome-vfs, gconf, x11
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10:12.41XorAhrw|work: gpewidget is in preffered-gpe-* x11 is platform dependant, and the other two are probably oversights
10:14.20hrw|workXorA: I meant providers not versions
10:14.43koendo13_: the blueangel people use it afaik
10:14.50koendo13_: bt-sco should be in OE
10:14.58XorAhrw|work: PREFERRED_PROVIDER_gconf=gconf-dbus
10:14.59XorAPREFERRED_PROVIDER_gnome-vfs=gnome-vfs-dbus
10:15.43hrw|workok
10:16.10koenheh
10:16.20koenhttp://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/embed.html
10:16.20koenthose people need OE :)
10:16.29do13_koen: Thanks, I'll try
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10:17.11XorAkoen: send it to them :-)
10:18.08koen:)
10:18.48koenAfter a new bitbake gets actually released I would dare to recommend OE to people
10:19.06koentill that happens it would take to much explaining
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10:21.30XorAwhatever did happen to bitbake releases
10:21.44Cobeliusdoes somebody know how can i configure which dhcp client ist used when i bring a networtinterface up?
10:21.45koennonody could make them except kergoth
10:21.50koenbut now zecke has the power
10:21.58XorAah, so should improve now he has gainful employment
10:24.10hrw|work~lart monotone for lack of undo
10:30.17RP_law_: update your bitbake (from svn)
10:31.00RPI think we should have a generic preferred_versions.inc file for things that aren't gpe/opie
10:31.09hrw|workI commit, want to revert == has to disaprove and commit ;(
10:31.16RPdistros can always override it
10:31.39_law_RP, At revision 343
10:31.54_law_RP set gaim version in local.conf now it works
10:32.32RP_law_: ok, I think I'm confusing this with some other issue
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10:39.31Cobeliusin wich package the /etc/network/interfaces is generated?
10:39.51koeniirc in base-files
10:39.55koenbut I'm not sure
10:41.17hrw|worknetbase
10:41.41Cobeliusthanks
10:41.42Cobeliushmmm
10:41.52Cobeliusi installed the dhcp3 client int the image
10:42.02Cobeliusbut if i user ifup udhcp is used
10:47.19Cobeliusdoes anyone has an idea?
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10:48.30[lala]hi guys
10:48.34koenhey [lala]
10:48.41[lala]:-)
10:48.49[lala]cosemicpenguin: ping
10:49.00[lala]CosmicPenguin: ping
10:49.01koenCobelius: I would grep /etc for 'udhcpc'
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10:55.26Cobeliushmmm
10:55.31Cobeliusbrings nothing interesting
10:56.46Cobeliusanther problem ist that screens does not cross compile
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10:57.07RPhi [lala]
10:57.21RP[lala]: Do you still see the whitescreen problem?
10:57.23Cobeliusthe configure stops with an error that a test programm which is need to configuration could not be run while cross compilinh
10:58.27[lala]RP: i haven't had it since i last updated the kernel ... looks good atm :)
10:59.02RP[lala]: ok, I was just wondering :). I might push that fix into mainline...
11:01.12[lala]yep
11:01.38[lala]RP: btw no one showed any reaction to my hciattach bug report yet :-(
11:01.58[lala]that one i reported on kernel.org bugzilla
11:02.08RP[lala]: Actually, I did see akpm mention it as an issue that needed resolving
11:02.28RP[lala]: Its just the bluetooth devs themselves don't seem to have noticed/care :-(
11:13.13hrw|workcan I get other recipe PV somehow?
11:17.49hrw|work~lart zap_root_password
11:24.42Cobeliushmmmm
11:24.52Cobeliusis busybox able to not use udhcp?
11:26.04pb__Cobelius: busybox 0wnz udhcp
11:26.18Cobeliusthat is what i mean
11:26.59Cobeliusand ifup/ifdown are also implemted by busybox
11:27.09pb__I don't really understand what you mean by "not use".  Udhcp is part of busybox, but you aren't obliged to invoke it.
11:27.37IfaistosCobelius: You need to reconfigure busybox not to use udhcp
11:27.38Cobeliusbut it's used when i use ifup to start an interface
11:32.01IfaistosCobelius: Go to /home/stelios/oe/x86/org.openembedded.dev/packages/orig-busybox/busybox-1.01/
11:32.26IfaistosCobelius: go the arch that you are using and change that defconfig
11:32.48IfaistosCobelius: so that busybox does not include ifup and udhcp
11:33.13Cobeliusand how can i say that dhcp3-client should be used instead of udhcp?
11:33.46IfaistosCobelius: put the ifupdown package
11:35.42Cobeliusahh thats seems to make sense, thanks a lot!
11:42.55hrw|workRP: what do you think about making g_ether autoload on c7x0/tosa/poodle?
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11:55.51XorAhrw|work: it should autoload a configurable module, not g-ether
11:56.14XorAhrw|work: probably one set with gpe-conf or opie equiv
11:56.42hrw|workXorA: so it will stay as it is
11:58.42XorAhrw|work: it "should" but without someone putting in the extra scripting/gpe-conf work, it might as well always load g-ether as per your suggestion
11:59.41hrw|workon 2.4-crapix we configured images to go into usbnet mode by default iirc
11:59.55hrw|workatleast on 2.4.18 (non usbhost devices)
12:04.51hrw|workdreams...
12:05.26XorAalthough *doze doesnt like g-file-storage, my mates XP machine got very upset
12:08.00hrw|worksomeone know how to get PV of other package in recipe? kind of: kernel_pv = get_package_pv("virtual/kernel")
12:08.29koenlooks like you found a use case for having PN in overrides
12:08.57hrw|workkoen: its not that
12:09.10hrw|workkoen: its for openzaurus checkversion stuff
12:09.58hrw|workkoen: I want kernels like 2.6.14-rc1-3.5.4-r5 but the only check which I can get is 2.6.14-rc1-3.5.4 as I do not know how to get 'r5' which is kernel PR
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12:31.15RPhrw|work: I would much prefer the loading of g_ether was handled by some gui app
12:31.43RPhrw|work: I've leave it as it is for now as I think something might get done about that soon
12:33.29hrw|workok
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12:35.28jerrybmemickeyl: are you really sleeping?
12:37.20jerrybmeI got the X/Qt version of wellenreiter to compile
12:37.57jerrybmeDo you want the modified source code?
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12:56.36hrw|workRP: borzoi/spitz does not have (.oz354fam083) uDrive partitions in fstab - is there a reason for it?
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13:04.28RPhrw|work: It was fixes in .dev after the branch happened and I guess nobody has updated it
13:04.50RPhrw|work: note that /dev/hda3 is vfat, not ext3 as those files say - needs fixing in .dev as well
13:05.54hrw|workok.
13:06.34hrw|workhda1, hda2 are ext3 by default?
13:07.03RPhrw|work: yes
13:07.08hrw|workok
13:12.38hrw|workhmm..
13:12.44hrw|work<PROTECTED>
13:12.47hrw|work<PROTECTED>
13:13.23hrw|workhow this should be on borzoi finally?
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13:16.32ade|deskafternoon all
13:17.34RPhrw|work: This is tricky as its different 2.4 to 2.6
13:17.51hrw|workRP: I want 2.4 infos
13:18.21RPhrw|work: /dev/hda3 needs to go somewhere else then
13:21.09hrw|workthe question is.. how this was on sharp?
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13:25.32hrw|work/dev/hdc1 9.5M 1.0M 8.0M 11% /hdd1
13:25.33hrw|work/dev/hdc2 9.5M 1.1M 7.9M 12% /hdd2
13:25.34hrw|work/dev/hdc3 3.8G 1.5G 2.3G 39% /hdd3
13:25.42hrw|workweird..
13:25.56RPhrw|work: mount it on /media/hdd1
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13:26.25RP2.6 uses them as /, /home and /media/hdd
13:27.18hrw|workI was thinking about /media/hdd3
13:27.55RPFine with me. You know what I think about 2.4 though ;-)
13:28.28RPYou'd better make sure 2.4 uses /dev/hdc rather than /dev/hda actually!
13:28.46RP~lart Sharp for broken kernels
13:29.57hrw|workso /dev/hda is cf, /dev/hdc is uDrive always? or only if cf is in slot during boot?
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13:32.44hrw|workbbl lunch
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13:43.11RPhrw|work: Good question - I can't remember :-/
14:03.47hrw|workheh ;)
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14:42.39Cobeliuswhen i want to make the package i get: http://pastebin.de/4305
14:43.17Cobeliusth .bb is http://pastebin.de/4306
14:43.58koenCobelius: you need a FILES_${PN} = "/opt/" or something similar
14:45.00hrw|workCobelius: use 'install -d' instead of mkdir and 'install' instead of 'cp'
14:48.07hrw|workkoen: what you suggest to edit svg?
14:48.26koenhrw|work: inkscape or scribus
14:48.35koenalthough scribus is more for DTP
14:50.10hrw|workI'll try sodipodi
14:52.50koenis that still alive?
14:53.02koenI thought after the fork sodipodi died
14:53.09koen(fork = inkscape)
14:53.31hrw|workok
14:54.48hrw|workkoen: gfx for gpe-bootsplash has those texts as text or as curves only?
14:54.57koencurves only
14:55.04koenor 'paths' iirc
14:55.21hrw|work;(
14:58.13koenI'm still not used to inkscape jargon
15:07.39hrw|workhttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/openzaurus/ - what do you think?
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15:12.56koenlooks ok
15:13.08hrw|workbooting c760 to check how it look on device
15:13.32hrw|workits black ;(
15:15.00hrw|workkoen: I found problem with my test images (gpe-dm) - S98configure was absent
15:15.14hrw|worknote: do not tweak IMAGE_ROOTFS
15:15.29Cobeliusthank koen it works now
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15:34.14hrw|workkoen: build-oz.sh script is nice thing - will add it to contrib
15:34.26CoreDump|homehi
15:34.54hrw|workhi CoreDump|home
15:35.36hrw|workCoreDump|home: looks like users are thinking about getting poodle for OZ team
15:35.58CoreDump|homeI saw that on oesf.org
15:41.49hrw|workopie-image-3.5.4-test5-initrd.bin - one name which tell all
15:44.51RPIf one of us had one, they'd probably end up with a 2.6 kernel and a lot better quality images...
15:46.42hrw|workatleast developer tested images
15:46.47CoreDump|homeOne has to debug the damn thing into a known working state
15:47.27JustinP~poodle
15:47.28ibothmm... poodle is sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog
15:47.31CoreDump|homethe finer details (like working dests in ipkg.conf which were missing in 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 w/o anyone noticing) can be added later
15:47.48JustinPb500? it had another name?
15:47.54hrw|workJustinP: japanese name
15:48.00JustinPah
15:48.11JustinPI didn't realize they even released the vertical zaurii in japan...
15:48.27hrw|worka300, collie, b500 (5600), c700, c750, c760, c860
15:49.09hrw|work6000 should be d900 instead ;)
15:49.39JustinPCoreDump|home: ok, change pushed
15:49.55JustinPCoreDump|home: entrance will be broken until you get your fix in
15:49.58CoreDump|homeJustinP: thanks a lot
15:50.22JustinPCoreDump|home: heh...don't know if you'll thank me when you see what a little change this was ;-)
15:50.22CoreDump|homeJustinP: well, it was never unb0rked for me since the damn /bin/sh thing =(
15:50.28CoreDump|homelol
15:50.41JustinPit really really should be using bash for everything...
15:50.49JustinPare you sure you didn't get an old CVS build or something?
15:51.00CoreDump|homeJustinP: image from yesterday had the same problem.
15:51.02JustinPperhaps you had the CVS build in your "feed"?
15:51.13JustinPI built yesterday as well and mine's fine
15:51.18CoreDump|homehmm
15:51.25CoreDump|homeI'll check that later
15:51.25JustinPwhat version of entrance is installed?
15:51.29JustinPok
15:51.45JustinPyou could also just ls tmp/deploy/ipk/entrance*
15:52.09CoreDump|home+mhentges@oe-akita-head:..edded/tmp.dev/deploy/ipk >lgrep entr
15:52.09CoreDump|homeentrance_20060128-r10_armv5te.ipk
15:52.09CoreDump|homelibesmart-text-entry0_20060128-r2_armv5te.ipk
15:52.13CIA-403justinp 07org.oe.dev * rec946905... 10/packages/e17/entrance_0.9.0.005.bb: entrance: Move startup script to new location so that update-alternatives can be used
15:52.19JustinPyep
15:52.24CoreDump|homethat's the one from .dev
15:52.35JustinPI switched e over to the numbered revisions
15:52.42JustinPsee preferred-e-versions
15:52.57JustinPis this an old tmpdir which had the old ones?
15:53.09CoreDump|homeoops
15:53.19JustinPbecause the numbered ones *should* be building
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15:53.24JustinPaha, we finally figure it out ;-)
15:53.41JustinPsorry, with e it's been back and forth a lot....
15:53.50JustinPhopefully we can stick to numbered revs now
15:53.56koenheh
15:54.07koenwait till raster rewrites it again ;)
15:54.15hrw|workwill we able to release e17 image with oz354/fam083?
15:54.28JustinPI'll just wait for the next "release"
15:54.38JustinPhrw|work: we should be able to, yes :-)
15:54.48JustinPthey both work for me right now
15:55.09CoreDump|homee-image from .dev is nice w/ gpe apps installed
15:55.13JustinPI just need to add my handy gpe => eap script into the e-image do_rootfs and we'll even have progs installed in the menu in e-image ^_^
15:55.15hrw|work2 weeks to fosdem..
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15:55.46JustinPand for all this to work we need to copy my revs from dev to oz354fam083
15:55.51RPTime is just flying by :-/
15:56.22hrw|workin saturday we have local PDA meeting here - mostly windowsmobile users and some palmos ones + /me with linux (or maybe mcgregor with his 3870)
15:56.32JustinPI'll go find the rev #'s and add them to the stable bug
15:56.41hrw|workthis time its time for gpe+some stuff
15:57.00hrw|workJustinP: cool
15:57.33CoreDump|homecp e17.dev efl.dev .oz
15:58.12hrw|workhttp://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=502 - why tosa has 'noauto' sd/mmc?
15:58.12CoreDump|homeJustinP: from where do you "include" the pref version file?
15:58.41CoreDump|homehrw|work: should be mounted by udev anyways
15:58.54hrw|workCoreDump|home: under 2.4 it is noauto too
15:59.21RPhrw|work: The sharp driver takes care of mounting, doesn't it?
15:59.25CoreDump|homein 2.4 there's the /etc/sdcontrol (or somethinglike that) script which does the mounting
15:59.32hrw|workah.
15:59.40hrw|workmisterious sharp things...
15:59.44CoreDump|home=)
16:00.05hrw|worklet me check status of my .oz tree...
16:00.10hrw|work<PROTECTED>
16:00.34JustinPCoreDump|home: in the familiar-unstable.conf and openzaurus-unstable.conf
16:01.11CoreDump|homeah there it is
16:01.34JustinPhrw|work: that's a lot of changes...
16:01.50JustinPso should I create patches for all of my revs?
16:05.00JustinPhmmm....that would be a super pain...
16:05.21JustinPit would probably be easier just to drop the efl/e17 dirs in stable and copy over the ones from dev...
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16:05.41CoreDump|home<CoreDump|home> cp e17.dev efl.dev .oz =)
16:05.54JustinPyes
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16:11.51CoreDump|homeJustinP: you were right of course...while your "versioned" ipk's were built, they were always moved into morgue heh
16:12.21JustinPyep
16:12.24JustinP:-/
16:12.49JustinPwe should have figured that out quicker....
16:12.53JustinPor I should have
16:13.14koenaargh
16:13.16koen~lart me
16:13.28koen'why can't I wipe /tmp?'
16:13.45hrw|workkoen: ;)
16:15.17hrw|work7 revs pushed
16:15.44CoreDump|homekoen: check /usr/lib/ipkg on your host heh
16:16.03koen:)
16:16.05CoreDump|homeI know ipkg tries to write there during ever do_rootfs
16:17.04RPkoen: I used to do builds as root a lot more often than I should and never came to any harm...
16:17.18RPI don't now mind ;-)
16:19.28CoreDump|homeahh crap
16:20.07JustinPI accidentally did that a few days ago
16:20.11CoreDump|home=(
16:20.30JustinPI actualy fairly often start form a new tmp so that I can make sure that efl builds from a new stage
16:20.43hrw|work<PROTECTED>
16:20.54hrw|workI can live with those changes
16:20.57CoreDump|homewell, last time it took ~7hrs to rebuild e-image-core,gpe-image and opie-image
16:21.09JustinPyep....:-(
16:22.45CoreDump|homewell, only deploy/ipk is gone
16:23.00CoreDump|homeso I can still work on single packages
16:24.01JustinPjust start your rebuild when you go to bed
16:24.12CoreDump|homeyep
16:25.02CoreDump|homemv ${D}/etc/init.d/entrance ${D}/etc/X11/login-managers/entrance lol
16:25.10CoreDump|homeshould have thought of that heh
16:25.22JustinPyep
16:25.23JustinP;-)
16:26.27koencompiling giac + three monotone instances = slooooooowness
16:27.49CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rf50bdc56... 10/packages/libusb/libusb_0.1.10a.bb:
16:27.49CIA-4libusb 0.1.10a: split libusbpp into separate package
16:27.49CIA-4- now libusb package does not need libstdc++
16:27.53CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r001519e6... 10/.mt-attrs:
16:27.54CIA-4sharp-binary-only: removed the line from .mt-attrs which referenced the nonexistent file
16:27.56CIA-4taken from .dev
16:27.58CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * re58c4067... 10/.mt-attrs: disapproval of revision '001519e60a14a99181453c8cfe62f1da833e8535'
16:28.02CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r19cc4c9b... 10/conf/distro/openzaurus.conf: openzaurus: replace date-time in image-name with distro-version
16:28.08CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r003ce1df... 10/conf/machine/ (zaurus-clamshell-2.4.conf zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf):
16:28.09CIA-4zaurus-clamshell: remove stuff which is already in handheld-common.conf
16:28.11CIA-4- zaurus-clamshell.conf include handheld-common.conf so we do not need
16:28.13CIA-4<PROTECTED>
16:28.15CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rd9c787c4... 10/packages/linux/ (linux-openzaurus.inc linux-openzaurus_2.6.14-rc1.bb):
16:28.20CIA-4linux-openzaurus: removed PR from kernel version
16:28.22CIA-4- OpenZaurus have 'checkversion' script in initscripts which warn user
16:28.24CIA-4<PROTECTED>
16:28.26hrw|workkoen: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/openzaurus-3.5.4-test5.conf - FEED_BASE_URI could be then used in gpe/opie/etc-image for easier feeds adding
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16:28.45hrw|workkoen: what do you think?
16:29.13koenhrw|work: sounds ok
16:29.51shadowsRP: super awesome, thank you!
16:34.15shadows(i see that it does build if i patch the source to move that function up a little further in the source code)
16:34.31shadowsalso, and this is important, it builds without modifying the defconfig
16:34.51shadowsso that  tells me the object code being output is back on track with that of a gcc cross being run on ia32
16:34.54shadows:)
16:37.00hrw|workI have to find some time to look at splitfeeds code and generate one probably
16:37.02koenhrw|work: did you add a RREPLACES = "libusb" in libusbpp ?
16:37.11hrw|workkoen: it does not replace it
16:37.27hrw|workkoen: its rather c++ interface
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16:37.47koenit does ship a file that was present in libusb -> ipkg breakage
16:38.22hrw|workah..
16:39.00hrw|workboth should have RREPLACE for older libusb then..
16:39.52koenafaik only libusbpp, but you'd have to ask pigi or pb__ for the correct answer
16:40.06hrw|workok
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16:42.11hrw|workkoen: armv5 devices supported by familiar use tune-strongarm or tune-xscale?
16:42.54koenin the branch strongarm since we don't use thumb stuff
16:43.06hrw|workok
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16:43.18hrw|workI will do same for oz - simplify feeds
16:43.22koenyeah
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16:43.25koenand build time :)
16:44.35JustinPthis should be fun
16:44.44XorAhrw|work: mplayer-atty is armv5 only
16:45.05hrw|workusers would kill me - I will provide machine feeds + one big for rest
16:45.20koenhrw|work: familiar has a trick for that
16:45.38koenhrw|work: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/feed/split-world.sh
16:45.38hrw|workkoen: another feed splitter?
16:45.48koenno, grep -v Source :)
16:46.04koensaves about 50% -> ipkg twice as fast
16:46.48hrw|workI know
16:48.39JustinP:-(
16:48.43JustinPe-native failed
16:49.16hrw|workkoen: first they will have to remove lot of feeds which are in images ;)
16:51.18kergothmorning
16:51.25koenhey kergoth
16:51.42CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * r37a520a3... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
16:51.42CIA-4ep93xx: updates
16:51.42CIA-4* put some kernel modules in the rootfs
16:51.42CIA-4* put kernel in deploydir
16:52.21hrw|workhi kergoth
16:52.50Bernardohi kergoth
16:53.16CoreDump|homeJustinP: did you read the followup mail on oz-dev regarding login-managers?
16:53.42RPmorning kergoth
16:54.37kergothoh, i got paid.  i can take care of the domain/dns situations now
16:54.47hrw|workkergoth: great
16:54.56RPkergoth: excellent :)
16:55.20kergothwill see about switching them from easydns to godaddy. cheaper that way. heh
16:56.28JustinPCoreDump|home: ok, just saw it
16:57.09CoreDump|homesounds like an even better plan. even more flexible and the user could choose which one he likes best vir a config file
16:57.49RPas long as not having a dm/lm is an option, I'd be very happy to see that in OE
16:57.54JustinPCoreDump|home: I didn't see anything about something like that...
16:58.56CoreDump|homeJustinP: what I was trying to do is launching different LM's via update-alternative selection
16:59.11CoreDump|homeRP proposes using a script which chooses the LM to use
16:59.16JustinPCoreDump|home: I realize that...and it made sense...
16:59.23JustinPwhich is really the same thing
16:59.30CoreDump|homeactually no
16:59.52JustinPif you're saying that you use a script with a *conf file* that's something different....
17:00.05RPI'm not suggesting update-alternative is used but just a script
17:00.11CoreDump|homeyep
17:00.19JustinPbut then a default conf file has to be included for the wm's with that under update-alternatives, no?
17:00.28JustinPwell I guess not
17:00.44JustinPI suppose it could just choose the first option in /etc/X11/lms or whatever....
17:00.45RPHaving that script read a config file is the logical extension/conclusion for the idea
17:00.46pb__kergoth: rock
17:00.47CoreDump|homethat would get overwritten on updates etc
17:01.33CoreDump|homeno config = choose a sane default (like entrance over gpe-dm)
17:01.34JustinPCoreDump|home: go for it
17:01.53JustinPentrance isn't a sane option over gpe-dm for non-zaurii
17:01.56Bernardokergoth: if needed, I can afford to pay for 1 or 2 domains
17:02.03RPCoreDump|home: Instead of a config file, just use a symlink to set the user preference
17:02.33CoreDump|homeRP: then the user would have to mess with symlinks again =)
17:02.46koensymlinks!
17:02.54koenhow sharp loves them.....
17:03.09RPCoreDump|home: config file, symlink, same difference. Most users won't have two dm's installed anyway I'd hope
17:03.31CoreDump|homegood point
17:04.13RPA symlink just makes it look like another window manager to look for and its given the highest preference - makes the script simple
17:04.43RPs/window/display/
17:05.05RPI wish we could turn that off :)
17:05.14hrw|workRP: avoid last /
17:05.25koenRP: we can, just ask TImRiker
17:05.26hrw|works/last/that one which I avoid
17:05.31CoreDump|homeRP: I have already adjusted gpe-dm and (w/ JustinP) entrance to not install their init-scripts into init.d. Makes thing easy enough heh
17:05.35RPhrw|work: Will do in future...
17:05.48koenRP: then he will popup and do something like: ibot chanset sed off
17:07.50Bernardobye guys
17:10.55RPCoreDump|home: depending on what those init scripts actually do, they might not be needed...
17:12.26hrw|workcu
17:13.25CoreDump|homeRP: true
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17:30.36johnXthe latest cvs of gaim doesn't build for me, the "desktop-name-cvs.patch" doesn't apply and also configure tries to compile a test program
17:30.43shadowsRP: i ordered my Sharp serial cable
17:30.55johnXafter hacking around both of those it compiles though, and I'll test it in a sec
17:31.04shadowsRP: $49.99usd incl shipping and handling charges :)
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17:45.14shadowsinteresting... http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=9050
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17:51.35hrwre
18:01.41RPshadows: ok, hopefully once it arrives we can find the problem
18:01.46shadows:)
18:01.56shadowsyes, because your image behaves differently, but it still was hanging my Z
18:02.52shadowsand in fact, this gcc 4.0.2 cross initial compiled build on my amd64 host machine, it is the bootstrap image, and i have just tested it.  the zaurus is hung but the charge light will toggle on and off when i plug and unplug the AC adapter
18:02.59shadowsthis is different than previous behavior
18:03.21shadowsi am convinced that gcc3 as cross initial is not appropriate for amd64 build hosts
18:04.13shadowsi'm looking into how to build a JTAG cable for the SerialIO port
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18:06.33hrwshadows: I can show it for you
18:08.06shadowsoh?
18:08.18hrwjtag for 5500
18:08.25shadowsah.
18:08.50shadowsi'm trying to think, can i make a JTAG cable out of a sharp Serial cable
18:08.53shadowsor have both
18:09.13shadowsit would be nice to document the concept
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18:10.02hrwhttp://home.hrw.one.pl/tmp/jtag.png
18:10.47hrwthats from sl-5500 service manual
18:11.36shadowsnice scan
18:11.38shadowsthanks
18:12.18hrwthats screenshot
18:12.26shadowsfrom a PDF?
18:13.05hrwI cannot share that pdf anyway
18:13.19shadowsokay
18:13.39shadowsdoes it have a diagram of the Sharp serial IO connector?
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18:14.03hrw~sharp io
18:14.04ibot[sharp io] http://www.sharp.de/php/a_d.php?par=17_no_no_107 sio.zip, or http://www.sharp.de/pdat/sio.zip
18:16.00hrwwhen I look at amount of *-locale-* pacakges in stuff I wonder how much of them are needed - maybe we could make feed with just locales?
18:16.19shadowsthanks
18:16.40koenhrw: that's what we do with familiar
18:16.59koenhrw: ipkg-make-index -L <localedir>
18:17.38koenthat will error out once (mkdir -p the dir it complains about)
18:17.47hrwkoen: where you have 0.8.3 feed?
18:17.47koenhrw: and it will give you something like: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/feed/locale/
18:18.17koenhrw: feeds are at http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/feed/
18:18.43koenI rsync into world.backup and execute split-world.sh
18:19.25koen(and remove busybox >r30 till ipkg is fixed)
18:19.35hrwkoen: how then user manage to get locales?
18:19.52koenadd http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/feed/locale/<localename> as a feed
18:20.16hrwfrom IMAGE_LINGUAS?
18:20.32koenmaybe I'll put in de, fr and en by default
18:21.00hrwinstall language glibc support
18:21.11hrwmickeyl: morning - slept well?
18:21.17koenhey mickeyl
18:22.55hrw~shoot hh.org bugzilla
18:22.57ibotACTION shoots hh.org bugzilla in the eye with a frozen turkey cannon!
18:22.57mickeylhi
18:23.08mickeylhrw: heh, i wish i had time to sleep so much :/
18:23.25hrwmickeyl: me too ;)
18:23.38hrwmickeyl: 3.5.4-test5 released
18:23.45hrwkoen: I used ipkg .159
18:24.06mickeylhrw: thanks. i'll have a go at tosa testing
18:24.15shadowsSL-C700 bootloader and jtag... hmm... http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm/2003-March/005053.html
18:24.25mickeylhrw: someone with poodle told me it hangs before launching opie
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18:25.41hrwmickeyl: let he test with test5 if can
18:26.01hrwmickeyl: I cannot find poodle bugs (as rest of OZ team too)
18:26.02mickeyli'll send him a mail
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18:29.49hrwmreimer: hi
18:29.54mreimerhi hrw
18:30.10mreimerhrw, I have a fixed version of irda-utils that I'll commit soon
18:30.17hrwgreat
18:34.10hrw|afkbrb
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18:35.16pH5hi, I made this change: http://en.pastebin.ca/40878 to oe_libinstall base.bbclass to make .la files in staging stop referencing other .la files in the work tree.
18:35.16pH5does anyone know a better solution to achieve this?
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18:38.56pH5hi zecke
18:41.24JustinPpH5: looks like lots of fun
18:42.51CSManuhmmm.... i got this:
18:42.54CSManmonotone: misuse: database schemas do not match: wanted e372b508bea9b991816d1c74680f7ae10d2a6d94, got 3a1e88c29c74b0dd910a092f3dccd39885da15cc. try migrating database
18:43.00koenpH5: I think $WORKDIR could use some more shell escaping
18:43.03hrw~curse my home machine
18:43.05ibotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, my home machine !
18:43.12hrwCSMan: monotone <0.24?
18:43.16CSManyeah
18:43.21hrwCSMan: update
18:43.26CSManchanged the checksum method ?
18:43.47hrwCSMan: database schema
18:43.52CSManah
18:44.10CSMandoes anybody have an updated monotone binary for freebsd ?
18:46.00pH5JustinP: I fear that I'm just working around the real issue.
18:46.19mreimerCSMan: what version do you want?
18:46.33CSManmonotone >=0.24
18:46.44hrwtime to build 2.6.12 on ewi for my machine and test does hangups which I have are from kernel or hardware
18:46.51mreimerCSMan: 0.25 is in ports, isn't it? I'll build you a package
18:46.56pH5koen: it seems to work as I intended.
18:47.12CSManmreimer: yeah, but it takes forever to build on my pentium classic
18:47.19mreimerCSMan: what version of FreeBSD are you running?
18:47.21koenpH5: people could have funny stuff (spaces, umlauts) in their path
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18:47.27CSManand i think i couldn't even do it because a library port was broken
18:47.32CSManmreimer: 5.4
18:47.32koenpH5: but we can probably ignore those people ;)
18:47.36CSManRELEASE
18:47.43mreimerCSMan: good. I'm building one for you now
18:47.47CSManthanks man
18:47.50CSMan=)
18:47.54pH5koen: at least until someone compains ;)
18:48.05CSManthat's what i call distributed computing =P
18:48.09mreimer:-)
18:48.44CSManmreimer: are you the guy who was trying to bring up WPA ?
18:48.53mreimerCSMan: no
18:48.57CSMank~
18:49.02shadowsi had WPA working for OZ
18:49.12CSManyeah, everything works on OZ =/
18:49.18shadowsit required i update the station and primary firmwares of my wifi hardware
18:49.21JustinPpH5: probably....:-|
18:49.52CSManshadows: yeah, but not for an ipaq h55xx , right ?
18:51.03koen/data/build/oe/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/packages/sharp-binary-only/sharp-sdmmc-support.bb is so close to being moved to non-working/
18:51.14hrwkoen: what now?
18:51.19koenone more parse error and *poof* away it goes
18:51.37pH5JustinP: definitely. for example libgobject-2.0.la in the glib-2.0-dev package still contains the reference to libglib-2.0.la in the $WORKDIR.
18:51.49koenhrw: http://pastebin.com/547016
18:51.51pH5is there an openembedded libtool guru?
18:52.05mreimerpH5: do you think UDEV_DEVFS_RULES is still needed?
18:52.41hrwkoen: ok. it need some skip pacakge stuff
18:52.48kergothpH5: if there was, i doubt they'd admit it
18:52.51kergoth:P
18:54.13koenmreimer: familiar still uses  UDEV_DEVFS_RULE afaik
18:54.42pH5kergoth: :)
18:54.44mreimerkoen: does it still need to? most of the rules seemed to be duplicates
18:54.53mreimerkoen: h2200 works fine without it
18:54.56koenmreimer: you'd have to ask pb__
18:55.08mreimerok. udev is only used with 2.6 kernels, right?
18:55.13koeniirc it's for programs that assume 2.4 style names
18:55.37mreimerah
18:55.50koenprograms I'd call 'broken'
18:56.29mreimerpb__: you around?
18:56.48woglindemreimer yes and every day there is a new udev version
18:57.07koenand every new udev requires a kernel upgrade
18:57.27woglindekoen sure *g*
18:57.49woglindemaybee a script is better which make all the devices
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18:58.06mreimermonotone: misuse: unknown path 'packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/c7x0/keymap-2.6.map'
18:58.21mreimerdo I need to be concerned about that?
18:58.24hrwyou know what? I hate monotone last days
18:58.49hrwmreimer: do you have pacakges/keymaps/files/c7x0/keymap-2.6.map?
18:59.02shadowsi hope monotone 0.26 will resolve some of the issues
18:59.55koendid anyone read the comments about forward vs backward deltas?
19:00.10mreimerhrw: no, and monotone revert doesn't give it to me
19:00.17hrwfsck.
19:00.28koenisn't it a .mt-attrs problem?
19:00.51koenhttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=eee7e0d8ba89227d29beba3bc804f5340553c590
19:01.39mreimerkoen: what's that mean? what's a .mt-attrs problem?
19:01.54mreimerhrw: 97d200dc7ec222ba39a0dea542d91ccc2ac67ddd should fix the irda-utils problem
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19:02.05mreimerkoen: 97d200dc7ec222ba39a0dea542d91ccc2ac67ddd should go into oz354fam083 too
19:02.12koenmreimer: .mt-attrs contains a reference to a non-existant file
19:03.10mreimerkoen: is that a mt bug? do I just delete those lines from .mt-attrs?
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19:03.47CSManmreimer: see? it take a while to build its dependencies
19:04.29mreimerCSMan: http://bilbo.vpop.net/~mreimer/monotone-0.25.tbz
19:04.40mreimerCSMan: do you need the libboost too?
19:04.44CSMandone? wow
19:04.52CSManthat's the one that brakes i think...
19:04.52mreimer2.8GHZ P4 :-)
19:05.04CSMan233Mhz PMMX =P
19:05.10mreimer:-)
19:05.26mreimerI understand somewhat, as my previous box was a PIII 450 with 256M RAM
19:05.40mreimerCSMan: building a boost package for you
19:05.49CSMan=)
19:06.14shadows233mhz pmmx is what i'm on now, a laptop for IRC
19:06.41CSManshadows: that's my developer workstation (no laughters, please) =P
19:07.14shadowsi used to have a development box comparable to that, it was a k6-2 233mhz machine
19:07.38shadowswith small costs of fast hardware today, it would be strange to keep using it though
19:07.46shadowsmy time is more worthwhile to me than my money
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19:08.07CSManwell, i'm trying to get out of the hole before getting a real workstation
19:08.11shadows:)
19:08.28shadowsi was shocked, my current desktop computer cost relatively little
19:08.33koenhrw: booting test5 on my corgi
19:08.45hrwkoen: gpe?
19:08.50koenhrw: yes
19:08.51hrwkoen: I have it on my husky
19:08.59hrw~lart google
19:09.02shadowsit is spec'd at 3000xp+ athlon64 cpu, 1gb ram, 80gb hard disk, everything very nice.  total cost including a laserjet printer was less than 600usd
19:09.42CSManamd does the magic there
19:10.24shadowsyes
19:10.56shadowsthe real convincing point is that power consumption is about equal to the old computers
19:11.17CSManyeah, but memory consumption is 20x more ;-)
19:11.18shadowssince it is configured to throttle down to 1ghz mode when fast processing is not needed
19:11.22shadows:)
19:11.28CSMananyway, flash memory is here to stay =)
19:13.40koenit doesn't?
19:13.44CSManit does
19:13.50koenit does on familiar :p
19:13.51CSManit just won't open a new page
19:13.52hrwI'll recalibrate screen
19:14.32hrw~lart me again
19:15.16CSManalmost there!
19:15.25CSManit does some ajax
19:16.04CSMangpe-i18n
19:19.44CSManmreimer: actually, i think boost is the one that takes a while
19:20.12mreimerCSMan: oops, looks like it finished but I wasn't paying attention :-)
19:20.38CSMani was pulling your leg =P
19:22.15hrwcu - this machine is too unstable to even hold amarok + 2xssh
19:23.10mreimerCSMan: http://bilbo.vpop.net/~mreimer/boost-1.33.1.tbz
19:23.30CSMangreat
19:23.45CSManhuge library
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19:34.28CIA-403mreimer 07org.oe.dev * r97d200dc... 10/packages/irda-utils/ (files/init irda-utils_0.9.16.bb):
19:34.28CIA-4irda-utils 0.9.16: write out /etc/sysconfig/irda in the init script, rather
19:34.28CIA-4than in postinst.
19:34.33CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * rad982961... 10/conf/machine/ep93xx.conf: ep93xx.conf: inherit linux-modules
19:34.37CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * r8e086923... 10/packages/linux/ep93xx-kernel/defconfig: ep93xx-kernel: update defconfig to work around some breakages
19:34.42CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * rf7940d7b... 10/conf/machine/include/tune-ep9312.conf: tune-ep9312.conf: add file containing optimized parameters for Cirrus-Logic ep9312 cpus
19:40.02RPIs setting RDEPENDS_${PN} some new style I've missed out on?
19:41.44pH5RP: new? isn't this the same as with FILES, DESCRIPTION and whatever else goes into the ipk?
19:42.34RPpH5: I know, I was just more used to seeing RDEPENDS = ...
19:44.00pb_yeah, the (erroneous) "RDEPENDS = " construct is unfortunately quite common.
19:46.07pb_mreimer: good evening
19:46.10pb_mickeyl: good evening
19:46.19pb_good evening to any others whose nicks start with "m" as well
19:46.26RPgood evening pb_
19:46.33pb_good evening rp
19:46.45koenhrw|gone: after removing keylaunch: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9288.png
19:46.48pH5what purpose does gpe-soundserver-0.4.1/makefile-breakage.patch serve besides making gpe-soundserver ignore LDFLAGS (which in turn makes it uncompileable here)
19:46.57pH5hi pb_
19:47.02pb_pH5: good evening
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19:47.13koenpH5: try monotone log on that file
19:48.20shadows"ERROR: ("can't read from file '%s' (%s)", ('/home/jnc/opensource/openzaurus/build/oetmp/staging/mtx-1-linux/kernel/kernel-ccsuffix', <exceptions.IOError instance at 0x2aaaabe0b2d8>)) while parsing /home/jnc/opensource/openzaurus/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-mtx-1_2.4.24.bb"
19:48.26shadowsnice.  hmph
19:48.26mreimerhi pb_
19:48.53koenshadows: that file should be in nonworking now
19:49.01shadowsokay
19:49.57pb_pH5: that patch does look pretty bogus.  you need both PACKAGE_LDFLAGS and LDFLAGS; neither one is good enough on its own
19:50.11pb_who added it?
19:51.01RPxserver_common should have PACKAGE_ARCH = "all" as its all just scripts/config files?
19:51.02pH5koen: hm.. "import clean BK tree at cset 1.3670". it's prehistoric
19:51.39pb_RP: yeah
19:52.29pb_pH5: ah, heh, it seems I added it
19:52.33koenpH5: try http://oe-devel.bkbits.net/
19:52.33pb_~lart pb
19:52.47mreimerpb__: is UDEV_DEVFS_RULE (which controls whether devfs-udev.rules is installed) still necessary? koen suggested asking you
19:53.01pb_mreimer: no idea.  that sounds like a question for ph5
19:53.10RPIt really depends how familar is going to handle 2.6 /dev
19:53.41RPIn theory that creates a set of udev rules that emulates devfs
19:53.47shadowsudev integrates with DBUS, HAL, and so on
19:54.03shadowserr
19:54.04shadowsnevermind me
19:54.05pb_shadows: thanks for the bulletin
19:54.05mreimerwhich would only be needed for programs expecting to see devfs-style devices, right?
19:54.52pb_yeah, devfs-style device naming is what familiar uses.
19:54.57RPmreimer: correct
19:56.06shadowspb_: i meant that if you're depending on devfs, then it's not going to fit the "udev way'
19:56.07mreimerwhich devices does familiar care about? many are 2.4 only, like the hal stuff, right? what others that would be relevant in a 2.6 world?
19:56.17pH5pb_: like this: http://en.pastebin.ca/40889?
19:56.49pb_mreimer: disks, serial ports, that kind of thing
19:57.05pb_framebuffers are another common one
19:57.21pb_and apm, iirc
19:57.27pb_pH5: yeah
19:57.34pb_shadows: ah right, yeah
19:57.50mreimerok
19:58.26pb_mreimer: also, following the principle of least user confusion, making capricious changes to the device layout seems like a dim plan
19:58.32shadowspb_: for 2.4.x kernels i would add my 2 bits and say that you're better off eliminating devfs from the 2.4 kernel setup
19:58.58pb_shadows: for 2.4, there isn't any viable alternative
19:59.11shadowsdoes there need to be?
19:59.36pb_well, er, yes.  we can't just stop providing /dev altogether.
20:00.16shadowsis making all possible /dev device nodes is not an option?
20:00.26shadowss/is//
20:00.41pb_certainly not an attractive one, if only because it would waste a pile of flash space for most people
20:01.12shadowshow about a script that creates a tmpfs like udev does, and simply creates a load of devices there
20:01.30pb_that'd work, but it would be slower than devfs and it's not at all obvious to me what it would buy us
20:01.43shadowsit would eliminate devfs
20:01.53shadowsIMO devfs is like the ugliest code i've ever read through
20:01.54pb_we've been shipping devfs in 2.4 for about six years now, and there doesn't seem much point in getting rid of it now just for the sake of it
20:02.06shadowshm
20:02.43pb_it might be ugly, but it works fine for our users.  I'm not all that thrilled by the prospect of doing a pile of work to get rid of it if the only benefit will be greater code hygiene.
20:02.55shadowsah
20:03.02pb_particularly given that the 2.4 kernel tree is essentially at EOL anyway
20:03.06shadowsyes i would agree with you on that
20:03.33pH5is there a reason that gpe-soundserver depends on diet-x11 and not x11?
20:04.43pb_pH5: no, that sounds like a bug
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20:06.30shadowshmm.. cairo/libsvg => "| svg_parser_expat.c:40: error: static declaration of '_svg_parser_sax_end_element' follows non-static declaration"
20:06.43shadowsgcc4 cross-initial being used
20:06.58shadowssame sort of issue as the thing with RP's changes to the kernel code i guess
20:07.20hrwshadows: look into debian (or gentoo) for gcc4 patches
20:07.48shadowsokay
20:07.52shadowsi'm going to try a cvs checkout
20:07.54shadowssee if that works
20:08.05mreimerCSMan: are those monotone packages working for you?
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20:08.30shadowsnope, no dice for cvs checkout
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20:13.56shadowswe have nice things like lost patches, unrelated, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3711
20:13.59shadows:(
20:14.59hrwshadows: tried debian?
20:19.35hrwkoen: libtiff is not fetchable so no gimp
20:19.37hrwcu
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20:35.14gremlin[it]monotone: multiple update candidates:
20:35.14gremlin[it]monotone:   dc7030746547ed09bdd941871c775b044c145143 coredump@openembedded.org 2006-02-09T19:31:19
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20:55.22zeckegremlin[it]: merge :}
20:56.31gremlin[it]thank zecke  :)
20:59.09pH5gaim_cvs now compiles a binary to check for %z support in strftime during configure. is there a way to fix this for cross compilation?
20:59.28zeckepH5: site packages
20:59.28pb_put it in the site file, I guess
20:59.36zeckesite file, yes
21:00.14pb_any tolerably recent linux system should have %z
21:00.55pb_even freebsd probably has it these days
21:02.07pH5zecke, pb_: thanks
21:02.36CIA-403pH5 07org.oe.dev * ra2ba6d1a... 10/packages/gpe-soundserver/gpe-soundserver-0.4-1/makefile-breakage.patch: gpe-soundserver: fix makefile fix not to ignore LDFLAGS
21:02.41CIA-403pH5 07org.oe.dev * rf5ff77ed... 10/packages/gpe-soundserver/gpe-soundserver_0.4-1.bb: gpe-soundserver: depend on x11 instead of diet-x11
21:04.33pH5hrm, but the gaim configure.ac just contains an AC_TRY_RUN block that conditionally AC_DEFINEs a HAVE_STRFTIME_Z_FORMAT. I suppose I can't preempt that without patching configure.ac?
21:07.10pb_dunno, you'd have to inspect the generated configure script
21:07.18pb_I don't remember if AC_TRY_RUN checks the cache or not
21:07.35pb_probably not, since I suspect it doesn't have any way to figure out a cache variable name on its own, but you never know
21:08.54koen|tvhrm
21:09.00koen|tv~stab .mt-attrs
21:09.02ibotACTION runs at .mt-attrs with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
21:10.59mreimeris busybox 1.01 bad?
21:11.23koen|tvthere's 1.1 now
21:11.48mreimerjust wondering which one I should stay away from. isn't there some symlink or chown problem or something?
21:13.05pH5pb_: if both glibc and uclibc support %z, is there a reason to keep this test in OE at all?
21:13.20pb_mreimer: there's a bug like that in 1.00.  it might be fixed in later versions
21:13.27mreimerthanks pb_
21:13.41pb_pH5: some users might be building against other c libraries
21:13.46pb_e.g. on windows, or solaris
21:15.20pb_mreimer: (this was the "chown /dev/dsp" one; I'm not sure if that's the same bug you were thinking of)
21:15.40mreimerpb_: yeah, that's what I was thinking of
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21:34.38JustinPI have a problem with some auto-renaming of libs
21:35.34JustinPedje-dev is renamed libedje-dev in the ipk and hence should be libedje-dev in the RDEPENDS of something which relies on it. However, if I pur libedje-dev in an RDEPENDS it fails saying there are no buildable providers. Changing it to edje-dev allows building but not installing....
21:36.29koenwhat would rdepend on libfoo-dev?
21:36.42koenthat should only contain headers, symlinks and pkgconfig files
21:37.38JustinPthere's also edje_cc in there
21:37.46JustinPwhich I need for a script
21:37.52JustinPit's a binary
21:38.01koenthat shouldn't be in there
21:38.03JustinPsuppose I could move it to an edje_cc package....
21:38.13koenthat should probably in a seperate package
21:38.16JustinPwell, it's not needed for normal edje usage
21:38.17JustinPok
21:38.41koenedje-utils, or edje-cc
21:38.47CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r3faa674c... 10/.mt-attrs: .mt-attrs: remove c7x0 keymap so people stop being scared by error messages
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21:39.07CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r970c8a9d... 10/.mt-attrs: .mt-attrs: and the fun never stops.... (sharp sdcontrol)
21:39.12koenit seems that this new inferred depend stuff breaks a lot when combined with debian.bbclass
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21:50.11pH5pb_: about gaim/strftime, is this what you meant: http://en.pastebin.ca/40921
21:52.47pb_that's not exactly what I had in mind, but it might be the only option.
21:52.53pb_can you not do something with AC_CACHE_CHECK()?
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21:56.53pH5pb_: I know next to nothing about autoconf. if I can put the AC_TRY_RUN macro into AC_CACHE_CHECK's COMMANDS-TO-SET-IT parameter, it should work too.
21:59.31RPkoen|away: can you be more specific about this breakage? as far as I know its mainly limited to -dev packages atm
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22:02.58pH5hm, "The COMMANDS-TO-SET-IT _must have no side effects_ except for setting the variable CACHE-ID"
22:05.37kergothpH5: right, within that block you set the variable. after the block you do the real work based on the varaible's value.
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22:13.53pH5kergoth, pb_: ok, so I don't think AC_CACHE_CHECK is useful here.
22:15.30zeckekergoth: thanks
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22:30.43pb_pH5: okay
22:31.09kergothwhats that app called that lets you syunc your opie/gpe contacts and stuff with evo?
22:31.33mreimerkergoth: opensync/multisync
22:32.01zeckepH5: ping
22:32.04kergothah thats right
22:32.09pH5zecke: yes?
22:32.21zeckepH5: could you give me a update on the stamp issue :}
22:32.25zeckepH5: what was the issue again?
22:33.06RPzecke: bitbake references tmp/stamps directly
22:33.49pH5zecke: http://en.pastebin.ca/40937
22:35.16zeckeRP: any more issues that prevent a 1.3.3 release?
22:35.30RPzecke: no, just that one I know of
22:35.43zeckepH5: you know any other issue?
22:36.18RPThat patch looks wrong though
22:36.31pH5RP: really?
22:37.06RPWhere did pn, pv and pr go?
22:37.42zeckeRP: look at bitbake.conf
22:37.51RPYes, they're in STAMP, ok :)
22:37.54pH5STAMP = "${TMPDIR}/stamps/${PACKAGE_ARCH}-${HOST_OS}/${PF}"
22:38.30RPI thought STAMP was a directory, not part of a filename. my mistake :)
22:38.46zeckemy cats went nuts.. I should send them torwrds cambridge...
22:38.55zeckeRP: you made me recheck the patch :)
22:39.12zeckepH5: off hand you do not happen to know the bug number for this patch?
22:39.34RPI'm not sure there is one
22:40.45pH5zecke: me neither
22:46.11pH5zecke: I also don't have any other issues with bitbake.
22:46.27zeckegood I'm releasing a 1.3.3 now
22:47.19pb_zecke: please keep your cats to yourself, we don't need any more around here
22:48.28zeckedamn...
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23:02.06CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rac9084ad... 10/packages/lsof/lsof_4.75.bb: lsof 4.75: Update SRC_URI
23:02.13CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rcba2bacf... 10/packages/linux/ (linux-openzaurus.inc linux-openzaurus_2.6.15.bb): linux-oz-2.6: From now on refer to patches within the archive directory.
23:05.47pb_night all
23:05.53mreimernight pb_
23:06.08JustinPnight pb_
23:07.00pH5good night
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23:07.10RP'night pb_
23:09.53zeckewell bitbake-1.3.3 is released now
23:10.01zeckewill write a small anouncement tomorrow
23:10.30RPzecke: Excellent. Should stop a few people complaining :)
23:10.42zeckeRP: even released on the berlios site
23:11.01RPan added bonus :)
23:11.10RPDid you add the other release tarballs?
23:11.18zeckeRP: just 1.3.2
23:11.30RPwhich was the only one missing?
23:11.47zecke1.3.0 and 1.3.1 as well are missing
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23:13.55shadowswhy do the .c files have the prototype of the static functions, when they are defined in the header that is included?
23:13.58shadowsany particular reason?
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23:34.04shadowsi think i found a way to make cairo/libsvg compile with gcc4, it involves some automake hackery
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23:43.49CIA-403justinp 07org.oe.dev * rd8bd0542... 10/packages/efl/edje_0.5.0.023.bb: edje: move binaries to edje-utils package from edje-dev
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23:44.00CIA-403justinp 07org.oe.dev * rb252db8b... 10/packages/meta/e-image.bb:
23:44.00CIA-4e-image: add e17-gpe-menu-convert to installed packages
23:44.00CIA-4- NOTE: This adds a dep on cpp and edje-utils which will make the image larger
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