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00:43.13 | treke | hey france |
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00:56.29 | adam_ | hi. has anyone compiled osb-jscore under oe for machine mainstone? I have an error from a file ustring.cpp that I understand is from the KJS:: qualifiers used in the KJS namespace, something GCC4 has a problem with. But if i remove them, i get a complaint about undefined reference to `__cxa_guard_release' and `__cxa_guard_acquire'. Any ideas or recommended reading? |
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00:58.13 | MP0 | ... I don't know if this will help you adam_ but people told me not to use GCC4 |
00:58.33 | MP0 | (It wasn't even building my system at all) .. so I set my preferred compiler to GCC3.4.4 |
01:00.59 | adam_ | is that an option to set in build/conf/local.conf? |
01:01.50 | adam_ | i see an option to use a prebuilt toolchain, but not an 'oe approved' one! |
01:03.44 | adam_ | thanks for the new train of thought, could be the magic bullet... |
01:04.39 | MP0 | well |
01:04.41 | MP0 | what I did was |
01:04.45 | MP0 | in my local.conf |
01:05.09 | MP0 | PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc ?= "3.4.4" |
01:05.09 | MP0 | PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross ?= "3.4.4" |
01:05.09 | MP0 | PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross-initial ?= "3.4.4" |
01:06.41 | adam_ | ahh, brilliant, that doesn't appear in mine as a commented off option. thanks very much :-) |
01:07.02 | MP0 | no problem, was in a similar boat as you. |
01:07.37 | MP0 | (right now my boat is some code that tries to link against the c++ libraries... only I can't find any in the staging folder) |
01:09.34 | adam_ | I'd love to return the favour, but I'm a newbie to this. my main activities over the last year has been porting linux to other PXA270 based platforms, hence the interest in mainstone apps to run on them |
01:10.17 | france_ | treke: hi, I am over here france_ |
01:10.19 | MP0 | ah... for some company? |
01:10.25 | treke | hehe :) |
01:10.47 | adam_ | yeah, intel |
01:11.15 | adam_ | sophia systems make the new platforms though |
01:11.29 | MP0 | ... that would make sense. Perhaps 3 months ago I should've chosen a PXA270 dev board. |
01:11.38 | MP0 | live and learn. |
01:11.47 | adam_ | what you running on? |
01:11.58 | MP0 | OMAP5912 board |
01:12.26 | adam_ | ahh, the competition! |
01:12.27 | MP0 | not too many surprises... the built-in LCD controller was amazingly easy to use. |
01:13.08 | MP0 | But in the end I think Intel chips are better supported. |
01:13.30 | adam_ | seems like TI know what they're doing, but... just what i was going to say |
01:13.50 | adam_ | Samsung are looking pretty good too |
01:14.43 | MP0 | ... strange... just the other day a samsung engineer was trying to hook up a OMAP to a samsung LCD |
01:16.07 | adam_ | ever used a sharp LCD with the 4 extra lines for config? I have to get one working and the docs are japanese ;-( |
01:17.20 | MP0 | what did those extra lines do? I'm using a sharp LCD right now. |
01:18.21 | MP0 | acx705akm-7 ... $20 for a business card size color display with no built-in controller... it's pretty spiffy |
01:18.52 | MP0 | lots of hobbyist appear to be gobbling them up |
01:19.07 | adam_ | Not exactly sure, its the LS022Q8DD06 and seems to be essential. All I have is uncommented code from the wince bsp to go by |
01:20.04 | MP0 | what's the controller chip on it? |
01:21.43 | adam_ | controller is in the PXA270, so its just sync,rgb,etc and these 4 extra lines for clocking in data while settin up the PXAs LCD config registers |
01:22.34 | adam_ | did a search on that part, came up sony! |
01:23.32 | MP0 | The only thing I see is the PXA reference platform |
01:23.55 | MP0 | so I was curious what chip was on the LCD panel (they typically have some kind of controller, even if it's not a smart memory mapped one) |
01:25.37 | adam_ | oh right, me being dumb, those 4 lines gotta talk to something haven't they? ;-) well, never prised the case open, and the (japanese) docs i don't have to hand |
01:26.22 | france_ | nite folks |
01:26.28 | treke | night france |
01:26.36 | france_ | nite treke |
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01:28.51 | adam_ | hmm, better get some sleep myself, thanks again for the help NP0, you're a hero for the day! |
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05:00.44 | memeruiz | hello, I am new around here. I hope a can help in some way with this project. I want to get a working depevelopment environment. I manage to make a gpe-image, but this image have so much in it, that the zaurus have no space left, I can't even edit files. |
05:01.28 | MP0 | I'm building off of bootstrap image |
05:01.36 | memeruiz | I want to know if there is a file in the metadata that contains the packages to be included in the gpe-image. So I can remove son of this. |
05:01.41 | MP0 | which is probably more painful, but it starts small |
05:02.09 | memeruiz | MP0: with the bootstrap image latter I can install package by package gpe ? |
05:02.40 | MP0 | theoretically. I've been installing stuff package-by-package as necessary |
05:03.49 | memeruiz | MP0: hmm, I see, but that is going to hurt a little, I'm going to try. But is not there any way to edit some file to construct a gpe-image with less things ? |
05:04.11 | MP0 | There should be, but like you, I am new around here. Just a little less than you. |
05:05.50 | MP0 | I'm not sure where the images are defined |
05:08.50 | memeruiz | MP0: :) I see. I have find some meta files (.bb files in the meta directory in the packages directory of the metadata) the points to gpe-image but I'm not sure what to edit. I will, try with this files. I will tell you if I find something. |
05:09.22 | memeruiz | thanks anyway. |
05:10.09 | MP0 | k, thanks |
05:10.47 | memeruiz | I want to make a gpe image, that's why I need gpe-image working fine. |
05:11.02 | memeruiz | s/gpe image/ gpe application |
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05:36.42 | JustinP | memeruiz: packages/meta/gpe-image.bb (or maybe task-gpe.bb). Anyway, packages/meta is where you want to be |
05:45.26 | MP0 | thank you |
05:45.57 | MP0 | ... lots of nice things in there! |
05:49.25 | JustinP | :-) |
05:57.21 | emte | grr |
05:59.24 | emte | okay, i am begining to think cout doesnt behave well with strings inside a class member |
05:59.56 | MP0 | like cout<<someclassinstance.somestring; ? |
06:00.12 | emte | inline |
06:00.23 | emte | so cout<<string; |
06:00.29 | emte | i get nice garbage |
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06:06.15 | emte | aha |
06:06.17 | emte | static string usrName(void) {return string("root");} |
06:12.20 | memeruiz | JustinP: thanks, I have made some changes in that file, right now I'm building again, will see if a get a filesystem with some free space. |
06:14.10 | JustinP | memeruiz: ? |
06:14.18 | JustinP | memeruiz: good luck :-| |
06:14.22 | JustinP | night |
06:18.23 | memeruiz | JustinP: thks |
06:43.16 | memeruiz | yes, it work. I removed the gpe-task-connectivity (I thing this contains gpe-mini-browser and other stuff) and now I have 7MB free in the root filesystem. Now I can edit files. |
06:57.44 | katossi | JustinP: do I need cvs access to compile an e-image? |
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07:04.32 | alan|laptop | hi |
07:34.22 | katossi | anyoe using xfce-image ? |
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07:45.58 | hrw|work | morning all |
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07:46.51 | AvengerMoJo | hi |
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08:13.39 | XorA | morning |
08:16.12 | myopiate | I like OE. It's making a LOT of things easier for me but I want more |
08:17.08 | myopiate | parallel package building (like make -j) should be a possibility |
08:20.07 | myopiate | some more image formats (yaffs for my NAND flash) would be cool too |
08:20.23 | koen | patches welcome :) |
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08:22.03 | mithro | hey koen |
08:23.09 | zecke | hey koen |
08:23.24 | myopiate | I'm still finding my way round... I have a look at how the jffs2 stuff works. |
08:24.09 | hrw|work | yaffs? |
08:24.25 | mithro | yet another flash file system |
08:24.30 | koen | hey mithro & zecke |
08:25.24 | koen | yaffs was much faster, but jffs2 got a lot faster with the summary patches |
08:25.28 | koen | ~spell summary |
08:25.55 | mithro | there is also the new logfs |
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08:27.43 | myopiate | where can I read about these summary patches? |
08:28.42 | mithro | hey ljp, you alive? |
08:29.20 | mithro | zecke: what you up to? |
08:29.33 | koen | myopiate: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2004-November/010910.html |
08:29.36 | alan|laptop | guys, should bitbake work under cygwin ? |
08:30.34 | mithro | alan|laptop: "in theory" |
08:30.43 | mithro | that being a really big in theory |
08:31.03 | alan|laptop | ok... i'll test that and report here. |
08:31.42 | mithro | i think it could most probably discover some oe bugs |
08:32.17 | alan|laptop | ok. |
08:32.47 | mithro | and other program bugs |
08:32.54 | mithro | and holes in cygwin |
08:33.01 | alan|laptop | if i'm brave enough, i'll test colinux too... |
08:33.14 | XorA | alan|laptop: colinux rocks |
08:33.48 | alan|laptop | XorA, does it ? I wonder how heavy on memory it is... |
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08:34.33 | XorA | alan|laptop: just whatever you tell it to use |
08:34.51 | alan|laptop | XorA, ho ? ok. quite silmple ;) |
08:34.56 | XorA | alan|laptop: I ran OE on colinux for ages |
08:35.30 | alan|laptop | mmm... the bad point is bitbake needs 256mo in ram, doesn't it ? |
08:35.47 | XorA | alan|laptop: 45M last I checked |
08:36.26 | alan|laptop | glop glop !!! |
08:37.15 | XorA | alan|laptop: I ran on a 1.7GHz P4 with 768M of ram and 256 allowed for colinux I beleive |
08:37.26 | XorA | alan|laptop: took something like 16 hours to do gpe-image |
08:37.50 | XorA | though these P4's suck and are crippled by really slow FSB and RAM |
08:37.59 | XorA | ~lart compaq |
08:38.00 | alan|laptop | not a lot of difference with my duron 1.3ghz 512mo ram... |
08:38.06 | alan|laptop | :) |
08:38.53 | alan|laptop | ho ! XorA, btw, my wifi card works... i'm back in windows XP ;( |
08:39.15 | XorA | alan|laptop: sucks, but sometimes cheapassed manufacturers force that upon you |
08:39.23 | alan|laptop | yeah... |
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08:57.04 | mithro | did somebody force you to buy the cheapassed manufacturers product? |
08:57.38 | alan|laptop | mithro, well, can i say my boss ? he underpays me... ;) |
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08:59.55 | Bernardo | hi guys |
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09:14.04 | hrw|work | hi bluelightning |
09:16.30 | koen | hey Bernardo |
09:20.37 | bluelightning | hi hrw|work |
09:23.02 | hrw|work | bluelightning: one user of pdax make big changes to kbdd when added few Irda keyboards |
09:23.20 | hrw|work | bluelightning: http://kopsis.blogspot.com/ |
09:23.45 | koen | yay |
09:23.48 | koen | more forks |
09:23.50 | koen | woohoo |
09:23.53 | koen | </scarcasm> |
09:24.01 | koen | sarcasm* |
09:24.34 | hrw|work | I just 'love' zaurus devels... |
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09:25.37 | koen | 'convert to a custom iPaq keymap that doesn't even come close to what the Zaurus built-in keyboard uses.' |
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09:25.53 | koen | he actually means 'normal scancodes instead of sharp crack' |
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09:26.53 | hrw|work | koen: see my comment on top post |
09:28.13 | bluelightning | hmm... yeah I don't like forks either |
09:28.42 | bluelightning | I prefer spoons... but that's another story |
09:28.43 | hrw|work | who likes them? |
09:29.14 | bluelightning | but seriously though, I don't think I fully understand why they couldn't be the same codebase |
09:29.21 | koen | bluelightning: there is no spoon |
09:29.27 | hrw|work | irk has atleast 3 different versions.. each one have support for other keyboards and suxx |
09:29.39 | bluelightning | koen: true... maybe a spork then |
09:29.49 | koen | bluelightning: he wants kbdd to spit out keycodes compatible to the sharp keyboard |
09:30.23 | bluelightning | koen: so, a "sharp mode" of the same app then? |
09:30.52 | koen | yes |
09:31.17 | koen | on ipaqs you could use xmodmap for that |
09:31.29 | koen | but on a zaurus that would mess up the internal keyboard |
09:31.33 | bluelightning | still though, I suppose there are going to be ipaq keyboards that will never be usable on a zaurus and vice versa... but you can get around that by just using compiler directives |
09:39.25 | hrw|work | bluelightning: some of ipaq keyboard will probably never get attached to zaurus anyway |
09:39.52 | koen | in 2.6 it shouldn't be a problem iirc |
09:40.02 | bluelightning | hrw|work: that's what I meant |
09:40.07 | koen | RP cleaned up the keyboard driver afaik |
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09:46.06 | mithro | koen: X understands having more then 1 keyboard if i remeber correctly |
09:46.17 | mithro | (each with seperate keymaps) |
09:46.47 | koen | mithro: yeah, but I don't know how that works with banging bits into uinput |
09:47.48 | hrw|work | X keymap thing is something what I dont like |
09:48.34 | koen | I can extend that to 'X input handling' |
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09:52.24 | hrw|work | I have 2 'keyboards' at home with desktop... |
10:03.13 | ade|desk | hrw|work: so thats how you type twice as fast as the rest of us |
10:04.43 | hrw|work | ade|desk: second one is remote for tvcard |
10:15.10 | mithro | btw has anyone looked at mecurial? |
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10:35.47 | hrw|work | Kristoffer|JLime: ping |
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11:04.19 | reenoo_ | morning |
11:07.40 | hrw|work | hi reenoo_work |
11:09.14 | reenoo_work | hey hrw|work |
11:18.20 | katossi | I'm still getting the : "No init found" after flashing my akita |
11:18.24 | katossi | I don't know what to do |
11:18.31 | katossi | what could be the problem? |
11:18.48 | katossi | I have an initrd.bin file in my sd card!! |
11:19.30 | hrw|work | so? |
11:20.16 | katossi | I guess the image has not been flaashed or something |
11:20.22 | katossi | but I can't understand why? |
11:20.31 | lardman|work | kotossi: did updater.sh show you the progress bar as it was flashing the root fs? |
11:20.48 | lardman|work | oops, sorry about the typo in your name |
11:20.54 | katossi | yes |
11:20.56 | katossi | it did |
11:21.46 | lardman|work | RP: any suggestions? |
11:23.06 | katossi | the console says: try passing init = option to kernel |
11:23.18 | katossi | it's a 2.6 kernel, but I don't know if that's relñevant |
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11:52.27 | dan2003 | does anybody here know ofacommandline only volume controll for oss or alsa that has minimal depednacies? |
11:53.27 | hrw|work | dan2003: aumix |
11:53.31 | MP0 | amixer? |
11:55.35 | dan2003 | ive just tried aumix, cant get itto buildwihtout wanting various dependancies, illook at amixer |
11:56.10 | hrw|work | aumix want ncurses and gpm - second one probably optional |
11:56.36 | koen | a tslib interface for gpm would be nice |
11:57.02 | hrw|work | dan2003: gom is oss only |
11:57.52 | hrw|work | dan2003: or 'setmixer' - cli only |
11:58.41 | dan2003 | ok,thanks, one of thesemust be useful |
12:01.25 | hrw|work | debian: apt-cache search alsa mixer |
12:04.46 | dan2003 | setmixer is perfect, thanks ;) |
12:12.39 | hrw|work | np |
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12:50.52 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r2100a98d... 10/: libeina: fix typo in 0.96.7 |
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13:13.16 | emte | koen, how would tslib work with gpm? bind to a device button? |
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13:46.33 | hrw|work | RP: Pavel Machek got spitz. so we may lose another collie kernel hacker but gain cxx00 one |
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14:05.58 | lardman|busy | In BUG 394, the proposed fix is to just rename the libs so they end .so rather than having the .so.X.x and symlinks back - I've a similar problem, but would like to create the symlinks. How should I go about doing this in the .bb (assuming the Makefile isn't up to it)? |
14:07.00 | XorA | lardman|busy: oe_libinstall will do it automatically for libtool libs |
14:07.30 | XorA | lardman|busy: or some function named something like that |
14:07.48 | lardman|busy | XorA: ah, I thought I'd seen something which worked for staging but not installation, I'll have a look at the classes, thanks |
14:08.50 | koen | autotools_stage_all |
14:18.56 | XorA | lardman|busy: I think it works, though I am not an expert, more a numpty who types randomely until it works :-D |
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14:28.07 | chouimat | morning |
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14:46.54 | dan2003 | wot is the user supprot channel!?? |
14:47.17 | hrw|work | user? |
14:49.02 | dan2003 | wel it speifaclly says thisisnt a suport channel! andi want to know if theres a way to set the partion to hte factory default (so ican lash 3.5.3) withut reflashing th shop rom first |
14:49.32 | dan2003 | but i cant remember the name of the channel where usch quetions are asked |
14:49.35 | koen | #openzaurus |
14:49.44 | dan2003 | ok, thnks ;) |
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15:19.42 | hrw|work | re |
15:20.21 | koen | hey hrw|work |
15:21.57 | hrw|work | ~lart monotone pull |
15:22.10 | hrw|work | after 3h I had to ctrl-c... now it is from start. |
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15:52.22 | hrw|work | cu |
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16:26.22 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r020bfc6d... 10/: jlime-shrek.conf: fix typo - close bug #397 |
16:27.39 | dougt | okay botmail is cool... but how do you use it. ;-) |
16:27.55 | koen | dougt: ibot: botmail read |
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16:28.06 | hrw | re |
16:28.12 | koen | hey hrw |
16:30.07 | dougt | yeah. ;-0 |
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16:41.22 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r264ee89a... 10/: |
16:41.23 | CIA-7 | opie-datebook: backported fix for opie bug#1707 from CVS |
16:41.23 | CIA-7 | - new event dialog was too wide on QVGA screen |
16:43.15 | CIA-7 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * raffdff0d... 10/: opie-datebook: forgotten patch for opie-datebook 1.2.1 |
16:44.38 | hrw | koen: new patch for #350 |
16:44.45 | koen | :) |
16:45.38 | hrw | better before release ;) |
16:45.53 | hrw | qvga users will eat us without it |
16:46.02 | hrw | qvga opie users ;) |
16:46.54 | lardman|busy | night |
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17:22.57 | mrtwister | hi. bitbake installed and monotone installed too. what next ? :) it is my first install. should i download bzipped DB? |
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17:23.34 | JustinP | katossi: what do you mean CVS access? Everyone has anonymous CVS access to anything compiled in OE (which uses CVS sources) |
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17:25.49 | hrw | hi Cwiiis |
17:26.05 | Cwiiis | Hi hrw, all |
17:29.33 | hrw | koen: can you push both things? |
17:30.30 | koen | hrw: yes, but probably not today |
17:31.00 | hrw | ok |
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17:41.03 | CosmicPenguin | is vanille down, or must I go do battle with the IT department? |
17:41.19 | hrw | use ewi then |
17:41.47 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, I know - but I suspect that they pulled my proxy acess |
17:42.05 | CosmicPenguin | So if vanille isn't really down, then its my proxy thats down, and that I can yell about |
17:43.07 | JustinP | CosmicPenguin: so try ewi |
17:44.13 | JustinP | vanille does seem to be down |
17:44.27 | CosmicPenguin | thansk |
17:51.20 | CosmicPenguin | its back |
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18:05.16 | reenoo_work | ~lart larry |
18:05.21 | reenoo_work | http://www.serpentine.com/blog/software/mercurial/bye-for-now.html |
18:08.27 | JustinP | ~lart larry |
18:08.39 | JustinP | of? |
18:08.43 | JustinP | that should be off.... |
18:12.58 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
18:13.16 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart bitkeeper for being just good enough for larry to be an ass |
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18:28.41 | emte | reenoo_work, you see what he sent the mailing list |
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18:33.37 | emte | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.mercurial.devel/3481 |
18:37.50 | hrw | heh.. zecke disappeared.. |
18:37.54 | hrw | mickey|zzZZzz: wake up ;) |
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19:03.45 | mrtwister | installed bitbake and monotone. now compiling gpe. ok. but how i can include my packages to generated rom image? |
19:04.24 | koen|tv | OE doesn't build roms |
19:04.36 | koen|tv | Read only stuff is pretty useless |
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19:06.31 | mrtwister | wait but gpe-image is script ? it generating from several packages? |
19:07.29 | koen|tv | it builds a flashable image |
19:07.38 | koen|tv | which is writable |
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19:16.29 | mrtwister | sorry for delay/ koen|tv. it making image. good. how i can add any packages to that image? for example i want mozilla or nano or gaim or gnumeric? |
19:16.59 | koen|tv | package/meta/gpe-image.bb |
19:17.08 | koen|tv | gaim should be in by default |
19:19.49 | mrtwister | aha - i have to add/remove what i want there (names?) |
19:20.22 | mrtwister | ok then. can i remove games etc? it recalculate depends after? |
19:22.09 | koen|tv | es |
19:22.10 | koen|tv | yes |
19:26.32 | mrtwister | thank you |
19:26.37 | mrtwister | will try to build :) |
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20:03.07 | CosmicPenguin | 167 files changed, 314 files added, 72 files deleted. |
20:03.13 | CosmicPenguin | wow - thats a strong few weeks of OE work right there |
20:05.34 | koen|tv | and most of those are bugfixes |
20:05.56 | koen|tv | it's almost scary how much bugs we had (have) |
20:06.32 | hrw | I'm fixing opie now |
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20:40.30 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... I wonder why nobody has bothered making a iosfs filesystem target for OE |
20:41.05 | koen|tv | laziness |
20:41.34 | CosmicPenguin | that, and there are only four or five actual contributors, and everyone else just takes |
20:41.59 | hrw | ~kill cvs |
20:42.01 | ibot | ACTION shoots a charged fluxpositrino gun at cvs |
20:42.05 | koen|tv | I think we are at ~15 people right now |
20:42.11 | hrw | cvs commit: Up-to-date check failed for `emulation_handler.cpp' |
20:42.18 | koen|tv | cvs up |
20:42.20 | hrw | what that fscking cvs thinks? |
20:42.25 | hrw | koen|tv: did 4 times |
20:43.08 | CosmicPenguin | cvs up -A |
20:43.11 | CosmicPenguin | maybe you have a stick tag |
20:43.13 | hrw | world is different after using BitKeeper, subversion... |
20:43.14 | CosmicPenguin | sticky even |
20:43.20 | koen|tv | like 1.2.1 :) |
20:43.52 | hrw | "cvs upd -dAP" done |
20:44.14 | koen|tv | hrw: how was transporter 2? |
20:44.28 | hrw | koen: nice movie |
20:44.39 | hrw | nice action |
20:44.59 | hrw | audi can be nice for someone (not me - audi.pl at work) |
20:46.03 | hrw | I'm gonna kill any CVS developer which will stand behind me |
20:46.33 | hrw | cvs umbaumba ;cvs blackmagic_and_other_fscking_voodoo |
20:46.36 | hrw | and still same... |
20:47.07 | hrw | maybe it works only on odd days of week? |
20:47.19 | koen | you could try doing a clean co of HEAD |
20:48.00 | hrw | remotely? argh^2 |
20:48.16 | koen | or on hh.org itself |
20:48.39 | hrw | hh.org is good point.. |
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20:56.52 | [g2-nta] | kergoth did you build OE under cygwin for grins one time ? |
20:59.00 | CosmicPenguin | what is it with the cdr people that they always have such a big fat attitude |
20:59.25 | koen | cdr? |
20:59.54 | CosmicPenguin | sorry, just being melodramatic... :) |
21:00.30 | koen | speaking of acronyms, still no word from CELF |
21:01.12 | koen | (how unexpected) |
21:01.29 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
21:10.24 | hrw | night all |
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22:07.11 | reenoo_ | 'night all |
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22:47.24 | CosmicPenguin | I felt bad about stealing gentoo's livecd scripts, but since it took me so long to find them, i feel like I've earned it |
22:49.08 | [g2-nta] | CP that's funny |
22:49.27 | [g2-nta] | it's OSS man |
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23:26.55 | toruvinn | hello. could someone PLEASE send me OZ's default fstab? and please, don't ask. ;-/ |
23:27.08 | toruvinn | i'd have to recompile my kernel to load mtd emulation |
23:27.14 | toruvinn | so i can't get to it by myself |
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