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02:51.29offroadgeek_I'm trying to do a bk pull and I get this error:
02:51.30offroadgeek_michael@deb-serv-1:~/stuff/bitbake$ bk pull
02:51.30offroadgeek_pull: cannot find package root
02:58.30emtetry the right directory
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03:25.11offroadgeek_emte: yippee!  you're a freaking genius  ;)
03:27.11emte?
03:27.24emteoh
03:27.28offroadgeek_you're suggestion to simple change to the correct directory worked
03:27.37emteno i've done it myself
03:27.41emte:)
03:38.01offroadgeek_hmm.. I don't seem to be able to bitbake anything:  http://pastebin.com/289893
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03:46.19offroadgeek_kergoth: when do you leave for MN?
03:46.52ljpcouple days ago
04:26.25treke|homehe's in MN
04:26.45treke|homeapparantly the drive sucked
04:28.15offroadgeek_that's a bummer
04:28.48offroadgeek_I recently drove from san francisco to MN... though I took my time... a little more than a week
04:31.00treke|home14 hours
04:31.33offroadgeek_yeah... any 14 hour drive will suck... no matter where your coming from and going to
04:31.33emteokay i need help ... and not psych
04:32.49emtei cant remember if i asked this before ... in C pointer to a string array   and trying to print the string
04:33.02emteseem to be having issues
04:33.13emtemainly a seg fault
04:34.17emteperhaps what i am doing isnt legal
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06:41.07treke|homeyou hapen to know if QWSServer::sendMouseEvent is new in 2.3.10?
06:42.42treke|homethe changelog isn't too detailed
06:42.45treke|home:)
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06:43.52treke|home- Rendered font data is now also shared between processes.
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07:02.41ljpyes it is
07:03.18ljpqwindowsystem_qws.cpp
07:03.27treke|homecool
07:03.36treke|homeI could have sworn it wasnt there before :)
07:03.55treke|homeguessing it's part of the full screen input method support?
07:04.28koengood morning all
07:07.12ljphey
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07:29.54Arjanhi people
07:30.22Arjanwould it be possible to build a gpe-image without letting bitbake also wanting to build a kernel?
07:31.25koenit should be
07:32.32ArjanI just tried "ASSUME_PROVIDED = virtual/kernel", but now packages are failing because they need some kernel files
07:33.01koenhmmm
07:33.40Arjanwithout that rule, I get that _append bug
07:34.24koenthat should be fixed with latest svn of bitbake
07:34.34koenaccording to mickey|zzZZzz
07:34.37Arjanthanks, I'm going to try it immediately
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07:42.53Hertog~lart management
07:43.37XorAmorning
07:44.31CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3393.2.1 10openembedded/packages/maemo/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add outo and hildon-lgpl, part of the maemo.org suite
07:46.37XorAkoen: questing to get a 770 lookalike before it even hits market?
07:46.48koenyup
07:47.06koenthe kernelsource is still missing, so no complete OE integration yet
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07:58.58koenhey bluelightning
07:59.11bluelightninghi koen
07:59.25bluelightninghi all
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08:01.20RPmorning all
08:02.00XorAmorning RP
08:02.25bluelightninghi RP, XorA
08:02.26koenhey RP
08:05.23CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3398 10openembedded/packages/maemo/libosso_0.8.9.bb: Add libosso 0.8.9, part of the maemo.org suite. Needs some packaging improvements.
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08:07.06ade|deskmorning all
08:07.15koenhey ade|desk
08:12.33ade|deskhas the world calmed down after the announcement of the nokia device yet ??
08:12.42koennah
08:13.02ade|deskoh dear
08:13.15Hertogtoo bad it lacks a keyboard, somewhere in there....
08:13.44koenbt keyboard
08:14.02koennokia makes a pretty nice one
08:14.18Hertogeh, yeah, I know, but I don't see myself lugging around the device & a keyboard :)
08:14.38koen770 + Z -> x2x
08:15.04XorAkoen: :-)
08:15.06ade|deskis it me or do people just want the same stuff as a laptop but in a smaller form? like an a5 sub notebook akin to the toshiba libretto rather than a real pen driven pda
08:15.09Hertoghehe, now there is a solution to the problem :)
08:15.36Hertogade|desk: My Z is a notebook replacement, so, yes, ;)
08:15.41koenor a sony vaio u71
08:16.47Hertog(and my handwriting being a cross between sanscrit and stone tablet language (spijkerschrift??) no form of grafiti is going to be useful to me :)
08:17.59XorAade|desk: thats what I want
08:18.14ade|deskHertog: blame your teachers , sue the school, get funding for a device that will translate spoken word to type .. job done ;)
08:20.49Hertog's not going to work here I guess :)
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08:33.22Hertoghmm, what was the command to force a fsck on next reboot...
08:34.20treke|homethe qws documentation leaves a bit to be desired :p
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08:44.10ljptreke: email and complain :)
08:46.55treke|homehehe
08:47.10treke|homefound a post on qt-interest, they dont want people using this anywyas :)
08:47.12treke|hometoo bad
08:49.46treke|hometrying to see if a full screen IM is as easy as I suspect it will be
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09:13.22CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3399 10openembedded/packages/bluez-libs/bluez-libs_2.16.bb: bluez-libs_2.16.bb: inherit pkgconfig
09:20.22Hertogsetserial /dev/ttyS0 port 0x401, shouldn't that just work? or is the port way out of range? (I get 'invalid argument')
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09:28.30pschulz01_anyone here?
09:29.52koentype /who in your irc client
09:30.45pschulz01_just joined, from #ubuntu, and felt the drop in traffic..
09:32.09pschulz01_koen: is there anyone here who looks after the website? The front page needs fixing.
09:33.13pschulz01_and I guess the topic for this channel should also be changed.
09:37.16koenpschulz01_: I think kergoth or mickey|zzZZzz can change the site
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09:37.23koenwhat's wrong with the topic?
09:37.42pschulz01_miniconf was a month ago..
09:37.47proti_dev
09:41.04CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3400 10openembedded/packages/matchbox-wm/matchbox-wm_0.9.5.bb: matchbox-wm_0.9.5.bb: new file
09:43.22Hertogkoen: can you initiate a oe-devel -> openembedded transfer?
09:44.11koenonly mickeyl and kergoth can afaik
09:44.44Hertogkoen: ah, ok. Then we'll just wait for Kergoth to get setup in the new house I guess :)
09:45.24koenyou can do bk parent bk://oe-devel.bkbits.net/openembedded
09:45.30koenjust don't clone from there
09:46.43Hertogkoen: from within my current openembedded repo?
09:47.02koenyep
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09:56.25Hertogkoen: thanks, works
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10:16.10hrwhi
10:16.23koenhey hrw
10:16.24hrwsomeone know how to make automount mmc card under 2.6?
10:16.57hrwI also have ide.agent for cf cards (based on mmc.agent) but both wont work as udev create device after they are started ;(
10:17.58hrwI will have to push some changes from my husky to repo... /etc/init.d/devices fix for udev is already in repo iirc
10:21.59hrwkoen: we dont have automounting cards now under 2.6? (automounted after insert and 2.6 = 2.6.12-rc+)
10:22.20koenit works for my sd card
10:22.46XorAhrw: something broke VERY recently, could be the issue kergoth noted where no-one can guarantee that udev and hotplug are synchronous
10:23.16XorAhrw: apparently udev can call scripts on device creation, however last time I checked udev was still pretty much undocumented
10:23.22RPhrw: We need to use the new release of udev
10:23.34RPmorning mickeyl
10:23.35mickeylmorning boys & girls
10:23.51koen'morning mickeyl
10:23.52RPmickeyl: Did you get the new relese of udev working?
10:24.15mickeyldidn't try yet
10:24.21mickeylit compiles though
10:25.25RPI'll set an image away and see what happens...
10:25.41mickeylhrw: some people reported they had to remove the 2.4 card entry from fstab to make the card automount under 2.6. i don't understand how that should happen, but it may be worth a try
10:26.41koenah yes, I did that too
10:27.56XorAmine doesnt automount since about a week ago, and it worked fine before that
10:28.20hrwre
10:28.21hrwthx
10:28.36RPXorA: There were changes to udev in recent kernels 2.6.12-rc4 onwards ish
10:31.29mickeyli'd be grateful for a clear policy document
10:31.36mickeylfrom the kernel, udev, hotplug, pcmcia people
10:31.44mickeyli have no idea how that stuff is supposed to work together now
10:31.55mickeyli had hardly an idea previously, but it's worse now
10:31.55mickeylheh
10:32.05ade|deskmickeyl: do they know either ?
10:32.23mickeylade|desk: yeah, they do. that
10:32.37mickeylmakes it worse for us, because they don't have to explain to each other
10:32.50ade|deskgits :(
10:43.13hrwmickeyl: I removed that fstab entry too
10:43.44hrwmickeyl: also my devices script does not start when udev is in use (like the copy in OE repo)
10:46.53Arjankoen: I tried building a gpe-image, but it still tries to install linux-jlime-sh3-2.6.11-r0 :(
10:47.35koenstrange
10:47.39koencould you file a bug on it?
10:48.24hrwArjan: what machine you buildfor?
10:48.44Arjankoen: I could, but I'm using an unsupported machine
10:49.02mickeylArjan: rm -rf tmp/cache
10:49.06mickeylArjan: bitbake -i
10:49.11mickeylArjan: print PREFERRED_PROVIDERS
10:49.15mickeylpaste the output
10:49.26Arjanhrw: my machine is not supported (h1940), so I chose target_arch=arm
10:49.35koenoooh, bitbake -i
10:49.35mickeyluhm
10:49.48koen~hail mickeyl, our interactive overlord
10:49.49ibotACTION bows down to mickeyl, our interactive overlord and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
10:49.55mickeylwithout a PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel you will build a more or less arbitrary kernel
10:49.58mickeyl:)
10:50.11Arjanmickeyl: virtual/qte:qte virtual/libqpe:libqpe-opie  virtual/libsdl:libsdl-qpe  virtual/arm-linux-gcc-initial:gcc-cross-initial  virtual/arm-linux-gcc:gcc-cross  virtual/arm-linux-g++:gcc-cross
10:50.17mickeylwhat i suspected
10:50.25mickeylthere is no preferred provider for virtual/kernel
10:50.30mickeylhence bitbake has no idea what to build
10:50.36mickeylhence it chooses one arbitrarily
10:50.38mickeyl(more or less)
10:50.57Arjanmickeyl: this is more or less the standard configuration
10:51.24mickeyllook at our machine configurations
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10:51.30woglindeyo
10:51.35Arjanso why does it build a kernel? I already have one and just want the gpe rootfs
10:51.37mickeylsee that we set the preferred kernel for every machine there
10:51.38koentry ipaq-pxa-2.6
10:51.38hrwudev 057 got RUN option for rules.. I installed 058 on husky
10:51.45woglindeieeks the noka 770 is only omap1
10:51.47mickeylArjan: bitbake gpe-_image_
10:51.53mickeylan image is an image is an image
10:51.55koenwoglinde: omap 1710
10:51.56mickeylan image includes a kernel
10:52.00koenarm 926 core
10:52.06pb_Arjan: if you already have a kernel, you need to say so with ASSUME_PROVIDED.
10:52.09koen200MHz armv5TE
10:52.11Arjanmickeyl: I did bitbake gpe-image
10:52.19mickeylyes, of course. that's why you get a kernel.
10:52.39mickeylif you think you don't need one, do what pb_ suggests
10:52.52Arjanpb_: my kernel is not from OE, it's outside the tree
10:52.58pb_indeed
10:53.04pb_that's what ASSUME_PROVIDED is for.
10:53.21pb_of course, it is unlikely that your build will actually succeed under those conditions, but if you want to try it then that is the way to do so.
10:53.22hrwArjan: you can also do some work and add that kernel into OE
10:53.25Arjanmickeyl: already tried setting assume_provided=virtual/kernel, and that made pcmcia-uitls or something like that fail to compile
10:54.14Arjanhrw: I wish that was possible, I don't have any experience with OE... just started and trying to build gpe
10:54.45hrwArjan: look for those kernels in packages/linux/
10:56.13Arjanhrw: should I just build a random kernel from packages/linux/ and hope OE uses that one to build gpe?
10:56.55hrwArjan: experts gave you infos already
10:57.59hrwI go outside.. its shinny day, I have free day so why I have to be here?
10:58.08woglindehrw dont know *g*
10:58.11woglindehave fun
10:58.21Hertogoutside & sun is evil ;)
10:58.22mickeylno need to hope, just rely on the facts. OE builds stuff against the last kernel that has been built.
10:58.32koenI'll be working inside for the rest of the day
10:58.42mickeylso build a kernel that comes close to the kernel on your device and maybe some things work
10:58.46koenbut I'll have some 1kW lamps to make up for the lack of sun
10:58.50mickeylthe external modules won't for sure, however
10:59.14mickeylOE is not supporting patch work builds
10:59.26mickeylWe're reconstructing complete things from scratch
10:59.37mickeylthat's one of the paradigmes here
10:59.39mickeyl(imo)
11:00.08Arjanmickeyl: one last question: if I add my kernel and let defconfig build some modules, will they get into the images automatically?
11:00.21woglindearjan yes
11:00.30mickeylArjan: no they won't. please take the time and read _at least one_ machine configurtation
11:00.35mickeylall is written there
11:00.40woglindeoh right
11:00.46woglindedamned
11:00.48woglindeits to hot
11:01.33mickeylwoglinde: omap2 would've meant 2007 or so, considering that this device has been 2.5 years in development
11:01.49woglindemickeyl i know :(
11:02.04woglindei hate the delay of annoucment and shipping
11:02.04Arjanmickeyl: thanks, I'll do that now. I'm one of those try-first-read-later guys, so for that I'm sorry to ask obvious questions
11:02.30mickeylheh, np
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11:06.16woglindehi reenoo
11:09.03reenoo_hey woglinde
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11:27.59pb_hi reenoo_
11:28.20reenoo_hey pb_
11:30.59CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3401 10openembedded/packages/maemo/hildon-lgpl_0.9.14-2.bb: hildon-lgpl_0.9.14-2.bb: spell LICENSE the correct way
11:31.56woglindehm is there a vim command to show row ending white spaces?
11:33.14reenoo_:set hlsearch
11:33.34reenoo_*$
11:33.37reenoo_err
11:33.40reenoo_<PROTECTED>
11:34.28woglinderenno thanks
11:34.33woglindeups reeno
11:35.27wrobbieNokia 770 3 hrs battery life? Meh..
11:35.40woglindewrobbie hm its okay
11:35.45woglindefot this device
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11:36.39CIA-903mickeyl * r217 10bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py:
11:36.39mickeylmoin zecke
11:36.39CIA-9- add more commands: edit, clean, rebuild.
11:36.39CIA-9- load command history on startup
11:36.39CIA-9- save command history on exit
11:36.39CIA-9Bug: A bug can be seen when you call rebuild on a package more than once -
11:36.39CIA-9somehow the make module no longer calls the tasks then.
11:36.47koenheh
11:36.49wrobbieseems neat for the rest.. did someone see HW specs somewhere? (going throught site now..)
11:36.57koenI read "moin zecke" as the changelog
11:37.02mickeylhehe
11:37.04mickeylnah, not quite :)
11:37.11woglindehi zecke
11:37.31koenwrobbie: omap 1710, unknow other stuff
11:38.52woglindewroppie maybee here http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5409534614.html
11:38.55woglindewq
11:38.57woglindeargs
11:39.06wrobbiebitbake shell? time to read devel ML archives? :)
11:39.18wrobbiethanks koen, woglinde
11:41.25woglinde!lart postgres for not ignoring , on the last entry auf creat commandos
11:42.05mickeylwrobbie: i didn't write an announcement for the shell yet. i will do if it's a bit more mature and tested
11:42.28woglindemickeyl when can we watch tv with bitbake?
11:42.36wrobbie:)
11:42.38mickeylwoglinde: soon :D
11:42.46Hertogbitbake: the new emacs?
11:43.04wrobbieemacs bitbake plugin?
11:43.18wrobbie(rewrite in elisp)
11:43.18mickeyla nice thing is that while working on the shell, we see how we need to refactor the bitbake.py and the make.py
11:45.03Hertogmickeyl: re: serial ports. Can't hack it, am simply not into that stuff too well. Will post findings to OE mailinglist.
11:45.20Hertogs/too well/at all/
11:46.18Hertogit's a kernel thing. it's not mapping the port adresses (it does the irq's tho)
11:46.29mickeylHertog: ok
11:52.54[g2]mickeyl, pb_ any idea when the last time kergoth did a build world ?
11:53.06mickeylages
11:53.08mickeylmonths
11:54.43[g2]I've got my custom Knoppix LiveDVD that has all the OE metadata from a couple days ago and all the tarballs for Openslug/Unslung. I was was thinking about running a build world
11:55.27[g2]It builds Openslug if you give it a swap and file space for "tmp"
11:55.54[g2]any idea how big a "tmp" area I'd need ?
11:56.09koenfor world build?
11:56.12[g2]nod.
11:56.14koen18 gigs or so
11:56.18koenincluding sources
11:56.41zeckemickeyl: could we create a 'Command' API specification and have a dict that goes from Keyword -> CommandType?
11:56.43[g2]I've got 350MB of sources for Openslug
11:56.53zeckemickeyl: so one could easily implement new commands?
11:57.04koenfetching world will be 7GB or something
11:57.11koenor 4GB
11:58.22mickeylzecke: that'd be nice. we have to do a lot of refactoring for that, i.e. in make.py and bitbake, but it will be worth it in the end
11:59.33[g2]zecke, I'd like to talk to you about the tinderbox thing sometime. With the liveCD/DVDs I'm looking to allow full automated regression testing for OpenSlug
11:59.39zeckemickeyl: oh, I thought of that limited to the shell but yes doing it globally would make sense as well
11:59.50CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3402 10openembedded/packages/maemo/osso-bttools_0.25.1.bb: Add osso-bttools, part of the maemo.org suite
12:00.21zecke[g2]: I've too problems to solve, teach tinderbox to know SVN (easy), teach it to be aware of bk
12:00.43zeckekoen: how much is missing?
12:00.53koenzecke: about 90%
12:01.06zeckekoen: how much is done? ;)
12:01.13mickeylzecke: what's most urgent at the moment is that we have to continue doing some OO refactorings. bitbake and make.py are wieldly making assumptions about state and order of control flow. this has to be refactored
12:01.22zecke[g2]: On the client side I will use bitbake with special bbclasses to run the tests
12:01.23koenabout 25% is in my local repo right now
12:01.53zeckekoen: so it is for real, all source is available
12:02.08zeckekoen: is some library only GPL licensed or is everything LGPL?
12:02.30Hertogkoen: planning to release maemo before the nokia device is actually available in shops? :)
12:02.48koenas far as I can see it's all lgpl, with some closed source stuff
12:03.09koenHertog: If I can spare a few more days it will be in OE
12:03.24Hertogeh ;)
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12:03.59koenwhich I can't, but I'm waiting for an answer on my assignment, so I have a bit of time now
12:04.30Hertogkoen: Why not wait for the answer on the 'Oude Markt' ;)
12:04.59Hertogkoen: all those teensy nice summer dresses ;)
12:05.00koenHertog: nice idea, but I have to work in about an hour :)
12:06.44mickeylzecke: oh and i hate the code duplication in bitbake in showVersion
12:07.35zeckemickeyl: yupp
12:07.45zeckemickeyl: we've some more at some other places
12:08.02zeckemickeyl: but we really should release it 'soon' before breaking it too heavy
12:08.39mickeylzecke: let's fix the -r bug and the make a release
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12:08.53mickeylthen we can do more structural changes afterwards
12:09.08mickeyli'm not clueful enough to fix the -r though
12:09.16mickeylit breaks too deep inside the core :)
12:09.33zeckemickeyl: it will be easy and obvious
12:11.25CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3403 10openembedded/packages/maemo/libosso_0.8.9.bb: libosso_0.8.9.bb: ship services and libraries too
12:12.20pb_what's the "-r bug"?
12:12.48zeckepb_: parsing a config file before conf bitbake.conf
12:13.05zeckethough I not seen it myself yet
12:13.17pb_that's what -r is meant to do, iirc.
12:13.18mickeylit's a simple bug that shows a deeper problem
12:13.23mickeylsee:
12:13.41mickeylmickey@gandalf:/local/pkg/oe/c7x0$ bitbake -r invalidConfFile nano
12:13.41mickeylTraceback (most recent call last):
12:13.41mickeyl<PROTECTED>
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12:14.03mickeylAttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getVar'
12:14.05mickeylthis is an invalid conf file, because it doesn't end with .conf
12:14.07mickeylok so far
12:14.09mickeylhowever
12:14.12mickeylit shows some things going wrong with 'd'
12:14.15mickeylbecause that should never be None in this place
12:14.34mickeyland i suspect there is a good deal of shadowing taking place in these modules
12:14.41mickeyla can of worms
12:15.05zeckehmm worms
12:15.33mickeylwe could simply check if the filename ends with .conf, but that would just mask an inner bug
12:15.53mickeyli couldn't make enough sense of the code paths in data.py and confHandler.py though
12:16.42mickeylhaving data be the name of a module and sometimes also as per package data struct is very bad
12:16.51mickeylthen 'd' is sometimes data and sometimes not
12:17.26pb_so, is the problem just that bb.parse.handle() returns None if you feed it something bogus?
12:17.42pb_if that's the case, bitbake should be detecting that situation and taking evasive action
12:17.46zeckepb_: sounds like that
12:17.59mickeyland confHandler.handler() is getting called twice in a row once with data being {} first and None second. and that's when it breaks
12:18.02zeckepb_: but normally it returns the data instance
12:18.05pb_(but I think bb.parse.handle should really be throwing an exception, not quietly returning some bogus thing)
12:18.17pb_zecke: right
12:18.29pb_so, either add a check for None at this point:
12:18.35zeckepb_: right the exceptions sounds right
12:18.42pb_<PROTECTED>
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12:18.50zeckepb_: because otherwise the behaviour would be too asymetric
12:18.52pb_so that it doesn't clobber the old make.cfg if bb.parse.handle returns None
12:19.03pb_or, preferably, have bb.parse.handle throw an exception, and catch it in that try block.
12:19.18zeckeor return the 'input' always...
12:19.26zeckemickeyl: either you decide now or I'll later
12:19.36pb_yeah, I guess that would work too, but returning the input would make it impossible to detect failure
12:19.44pb_I think the exception is the best approach
12:19.51zeckeack
12:20.04pb_since, generally, if you feed a bogus file to -r, you would expect to get at least a diagnostic.
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12:20.30mickeylzecke: i'll leave that to you
12:20.46mickeyli'm currently struggling against a readline completer for bb files :)
12:20.52mickeyl(for the shell)
12:20.52pb_heh
12:21.31zeckemickeyl: could we enter gödel numbers as input?
12:21.31reenoo_http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30416.png
12:21.37reenoo_:)
12:21.41zeckeso I could do range(1:) and wait until the right bitbake file was found
12:21.44koencool
12:22.10pb_I'll check in a fix for the -r thing.  I think it just needs a one-line patch in __init__.py and an extra "except" clause in bitbake.
12:22.13mickeylzecke: why not :)
12:22.42mickeylpb_: thanks
12:22.42zeckepb_: go ahead
12:22.42mickeylreenoo_: what's that?
12:22.51reenoo_gtk-webcore
12:22.52zeckehttp://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/0,1518,357512,00.html
12:22.55mickeylreenoo_: sweet!
12:25.17pb_hm, does bitbake actually trap ParseError at all?
12:26.21zeckepb_: yupp
12:26.29zeckeit prints conf/bitbake.conf not found
12:26.49pb_oh, drat, my bitbake checkout is read only
12:27.42mickeylsvn+ssh
12:28.14pb_is there any way to convert an anonymous checkout into a non-anonymous one?
12:28.20pb_without checking out a whole new tree?
12:29.08zeckepb_: svn switch
12:29.23pb_aha
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12:30.03CIA-903philb * r218 10bitbake/lib/bb/parse/__init__.py:
12:30.03CIA-9have bb.parse.handle() throw ParseError if the input file is not
12:30.03CIA-9understood by any handler, rather than quietly returning None
12:30.16pb_well, that should improve matters a bit.
12:31.29pb_I still get a bit of python backtrace spew: it seems that bitbake isn't correctly trapping ParseError for -r files.
12:31.43pb_pb@mebius:~/oe/build-h3900$ bitbake -r bogusFile nano
12:31.43pb_Traceback (most recent call last):
12:31.43pb_<PROTECTED>
12:31.43pb_<PROTECTED>
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12:31.45pb_bb.parse.ParseError: bogusFile is not a BitBake file
12:32.19pb_I guess whatever exception trap it applies to the main parse needs to be applied there as well.
12:33.13zeckeyupp
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12:50.25CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3404 10openembedded/packages/maemo/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add osso-gwconnect, part of the maemo.org suite
12:50.52zeckewow the new bitbake is even faster than the old one
12:51.59Ken|Jlimebeen an update today?
12:52.17zeckeKen|Jlime: there has been an update
12:52.28zeckeKen|Jlime: but I just looked at the compile times of our daily builds
12:52.45Ken|JlimeAha
12:52.51Ken|Jlimedid you get any nice numbers
12:52.52Ken|Jlime?
12:53.39zeckeKen|Jlime: it saves 20 minutes
12:53.50pb_out of how long in total?
12:54.13zeckepb_: 2 hours twenty with the old bitbake
12:54.22zeckepb_: 2:40-2:60 with the newer one
12:54.36zeckepb_: 1:50-2:00 with the current one
12:54.46pb_cool, that's quite an improvement
12:54.54pb_brb, need to switch off the electricity here for a few minutes
12:55.00Ken|Jlimeneat
12:55.09zeckeoh getting too hot?
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12:57.42Ken|JlimeHe couldnt handle the exciting new bitbake numbers :)
12:59.42pb_re
13:00.25pb_zecke: heh, no, it isn't very hot here.
13:00.30pb_this is England, remember
13:01.40zeckepb_: but it is London and even we've 30°
13:02.30reenoo_26C here
13:02.44koen"warm enough"
13:03.11pb_zecke: http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/03571.html
13:03.12pb_heh
13:04.31zeckelol
13:25.13CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3405 10openembedded/packages/maemo/ (osso-gwobex_0.26.1.bb osso-gwconnect_0.70.2.bb):
13:25.13CIA-9Add osso-gwobex, part of the maemo.org suite
13:25.13CIA-9osso-gwconnect_0.70.2.bb: stage some headers
13:25.31CIA-903mickeyl * r219 10bitbake/bin/bitbake:
13:25.31CIA-9- remove checking for return if parse-only is set when executing just one BB
13:25.31CIA-9- don't sys.exit() for parse-only, but return. This makes dropping into the Python interactive mode possible.
13:26.13CIA-903mickeyl * r220 10bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py: add bbfile completion
13:26.19zeckewoot
13:26.47mickeyltry:
13:26.50mickeylbitbake -i
13:26.51mickeylparse
13:26.56mickeylbuild a<tab>
13:26.57mickeyl:)
13:27.39mickeyl(but see the BUGS entry in shell.py)
13:27.56zeckemickeyl: pay attention to your dis
13:28.10zeckemickeyl: I know how exciting it can be
13:28.27CoreDump|homehi
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13:31.21mickeyl:)
13:32.34Hertogsomeone, quick, tie him to his chair!
13:32.43mickeylheh
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14:01.26zeckeHertog: I think his wife reserved such rights...
14:03.58CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3406 10openembedded/packages/maemo/osso-thumbnail_0.3.1-1.bb: Add osso-thumbnail, part of the maemo.org suite.
14:08.43Arjanhmm... nice to see what some reading can do...
14:09.03ArjanI just finished adding h1940 machine and kernel to OE
14:10.56koenattach the file/patch to bugzilla and we'll take a look at it
14:11.41Arjanthanks. should I make it a patch or a tgz with the files?
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14:13.21koenpatch for modified files, tgz for new files
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14:26.42CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3407 10openembedded/packages/dbus/dbus_0.23.4.bb: Update (old API) dbus to 0.23.4
14:34.14CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3408 10openembedded/packages/maemo/libosso_0.8.9.bb: libosso_0.8.9.bb: It's pkgconfig with 2 g's
14:57.26CIA-903mickeyl * r221 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: catch parse error in parseConfigurationFile()
14:59.58CIA-903mickeyl * r222 10bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py: some fixes
15:00.19mickeylzecke_: if you don't have any other things to tweak, i'd say feel free to tag and release this as bitbake 1.3.0
15:00.33CIA-903CoreDump 07 * r1.3410 10openembedded/packages/altboot/ (altboot_cvs.bb altboot_20050527.bb): Complete Merge
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15:00.53pb_mickeyl: awesome
15:00.53mickeyli have some more invasive changes in the pipeline which should be done later
15:01.31mickeyland that is enough computing for today :)
15:01.37mickeyll8er
15:04.11CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3408.1.1 10openembedded/packages/maemo/ (3 files): osso-thumbnail_0.3.1-1.bb, hildon-lgpl_0.9.14-2.bb, libosso_0.8.9.bb: stage headers
15:04.50wrobbieypu
15:05.14koenis there a reason for the fact we don't auto-stage -dev packages?
15:05.19wrobbieyou're pretty busy with this maemo stuff :)
15:05.47koenI can't let scratchbox take all the attention :)
15:05.58wrobbiehehe
15:09.11zecke_mickey_away: cya
15:09.21zecke_mickey_away: ok deep feature freeze for bitbake now
15:09.30zecke_deap even..
15:09.48zecke_~lart Qt's clipboard
15:10.39Arjankoen: my files are on bugzilla, id 40
15:10.50Arjanlet's hope someone has time to look at them soon :)
15:10.51koenokidoki
15:10.58Arjangoing home now; bye all
15:11.40zecke_Arjan: cya
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16:34.51CoreDump|homedoes anyone here remember the option for /etc/ipkg.conf to move /usr/lib/ipkg/lists to another location?
16:36.05koenlists_dir ext /path/to/lists
16:37.15CoreDump|homekoen: thx!
16:57.00CoreDump|homecurrently portmap is beeing started both in rcS.d and rc[2-5].d. Any thoughts which should be removed? Is it important to launch portmal in rcS.d?
16:57.26koendo we even need portmap?
16:57.48CoreDump|homewell, I dunno. It's in the default image though
16:58.06CoreDump|homei tend to remove the rc[2-5].d startup links
16:58.11kergothCoreDump|home: if part of your filesystem is nfs mounted, then i could see it being necessary to start portmap early to ensure that it succeeds
16:58.12koenthere was something about portmap a while back
16:58.30CoreDump|homekergoth: agreed
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17:07.09trekekoen: ping
17:07.14koenpong
17:07.31trekethe rosetta thing in gpe, is that like a second generation xstroke or something different?
17:07.43koensomething different
17:07.49trekeah
17:07.52koenxstroke uses an own alfabet
17:08.07koenrosetta is pure handwriting recognitions
17:08.10trekeoh?
17:08.20koenlike wince block recognizer
17:08.25trekesweet
17:08.32trekework well?
17:08.56koenit did ok when I tried it
17:09.16trekeAny ideas what the most popular input method in gpe is?
17:09.31trekeapart from thge hardware keyboard
17:09.38koenno idea
17:09.44koeni'm a keyboard person
17:09.56trekeback when I used X, xstroke was all the rage, but it's been a while :p
17:10.17koentreke: http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/
17:10.22koentop news posting
17:10.39koenmallum has rewritten xstroke
17:10.41trekehehe
17:13.54trekepoor koen
17:14.40koenawk +tr will be my friend
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17:21.20koentreke: ls | awk '{print "file://" $1 ";patch=1"}'
17:21.32koennow lets see how good quilt really is
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17:27.02reenoo_koen: heh
17:27.21pb_morning treke
17:28.30koenreenoo_: ls | awk '{print "\tfile://" $1 ";patch=1 \\"}' is a bit better
17:28.44trekepb.
17:30.01zecke~lart kde people for changing the List-Id without further notice...
17:31.11CosmicPenguinI think you got the further notice, its the prior notice you were missing... :)
17:32.09pb_heh
17:33.29zeckeCosmicPenguin: without any *readable* notice
17:40.04CoreDump|home~lart "wrong kernel" message
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17:46.46koenNOTE: package gtk+-2.6.4-1.osso7-r1: task do_patch: completed
17:46.57koenkoen@dominion:/data/build/oe/openembedded/packages/gtk+$ grep patch gtk+_2.6.4-1.osso7.bb | wc -l
17:47.00koen104
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17:47.05koenI think I've set a record :)
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17:47.31SirFredGood evening
17:47.59koenhey SirFred
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17:55.22kergothCoreDump|home: uh?  is doing "IMAGE_FSTYPES += ext2" too difficult?  i dont see the point in a seperate .bb for it
17:57.07CoreDump|homehmm? my local.conf is always set to jffs2, like most Z devs I'd guess. With a seperate .bb file you don't have to edit opie-image.bb to build an ext2 image once in a while
17:57.17kergothedit opie-image.bb?
17:57.21kergothwhat are you talking about?
17:57.37kergothIMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 ext2"
17:57.39kergothta da, done
17:57.47kergothyou dont have to touch any .bb fileas
17:57.49kergothfiles
17:58.24CoreDump|homeI do, since I mostly use bitbake -b ;)
17:58.47pb_eh?  bitbake -b still reads local.conf.
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18:00.10CoreDump|homeok, it does. On the next compile you'll need to wait ages for the parsing since you've touched (needlessy) local.conf. But ok, I'll trash the bb.
18:01.15kergothneedless my ass.  pointlessly hardcoding the filesystem type into a .bb is both needless and pointless.
18:01.23kergothand that was redundant, but you get the point
18:01.32kergothheh
18:01.58pb_yeah.  setting stuff like IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE_ext2 in a .bb is in fairly poor taste, as well.
18:02.10CoreDump|homeIMO it isn't. It _is_ easier / less work that way to build such an image once in a while.
18:03.15pb_for you, possibly, and you are welcome to keep that .bb file on your local disk.
18:03.23CoreDump|homeand since the bb is even calles "ext2loop" I can't detect any poor taste with hard-coding it to be ext2
18:03.27pb_you are even welcome to use it in the privacy of your own home.
18:03.45koendon't try to build a h3900 ext image, some genius made -p default for all image types
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18:04.26pb_koen: pardon?
18:04.32CoreDump|homepb_: oh you can count on that
18:05.01koenpb_: something like IMG_COMMAND_append = "-p <something>"
18:05.12koeninstead of IMG_COMMAND_jffs2_append
18:05.22pb_in what file?
18:05.33koenprobably h3900, otherwise ipaq
18:05.55pb_oh yeah
18:05.57pb_EXTRA_IMAGECMD_h3900 = "-e 0x40000 -p"
18:06.05pb_-p is the same as --pad, right?
18:06.12koenno idea
18:06.35koenit worked till ext2tools implemented stricter checking
18:06.45koenand failed on the -p
18:06.58pb_I think that line should be EXTRA_IMAGECMD_jffs2 += "-e 0x40000".
18:07.15pb_there's no point having the MACHINE override in there, since h3900.conf is not even parsed on any other MACHINE.
18:07.31pb_and, assuming -p does mean --pad, that's in the default command that bitbake.conf supplies.
18:07.32koenah yes :)
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18:24.44koenNOTE: package gtk+-2.6.4-1.osso7: completed
18:30.12CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3415 10openembedded/packages/gtk+/ (107 files in 2 dirs): Add gtk+-2.6.4-1.osso7 + one hundred and four (104) patches, part of the maemo.org suite. (I believe this sets a record, try and beat that, RP ;))
18:36.03CIA-903reenoo 07 * r1.3400.1.1 10openembedded/packages/linux/handhelds-sa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh39.bb: handhelds-sa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh39: DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" for now
18:38.12CosmicPenguinNice
18:38.17CosmicPenguinkoen: see - quilt does rock after all
18:38.24koenheh
18:38.40koenawk and vi were all the tools I used
18:38.51koenand head, tail and cat
18:39.20CosmicPenguinbah
18:39.46koenthey had one line of osso weirdness left, so I edited the patch
18:43.54RPkoen: That's cheating - you didn't write all the patches :)
18:44.00koen:)
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18:45.31HertogRP: do you have any idea what's wrong with the serial ports in >2.6.11 on z7x0? (or... do you even know something goes wrong there?)
18:46.53CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3415.1.1 10openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+_2.6.4-1.osso7.bb: gtk+_2.6.4-1.osso7.bb: fix MAINTAINER
18:50.49zeckekoen: with +100 patches one could gtk+ into qt ;)
18:51.25koenzecke: one sure could :)
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18:58.41zeckemickey_away: 1.3.0 really?
18:59.03zeckekergoth: we would like to release a new version of bitbake 'soon'
19:00.35CIA-903zecke123 * r223 10bitbake/ (ChangeLog lib/bb/__init__.py):
19:00.35CIA-9bitbake:
19:00.35CIA-9<PROTECTED>
19:02.22RPHertog: Have you looked at mickeyl
19:02.27RPmickeyl's patch
19:02.51RPzecke: Yes, go for 1.3.0 :)
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19:03.29HertogRP: eh, looked at it, but as I said to mickeyl, I'm out of my depth there, am not much of a coder, much less a kernel hacker ;) I do have some 'evidence' tho.
19:04.25RPHertog: What's the evidence?
19:05.27HertogRP: nothing much.. Kernel detects the serial ports fine. setserial shows the right irq's are assigned, but it is impossible to set the ioports to the right adresses
19:05.51RPHertog: Which kernel is this exactly?
19:06.04RPand which serial ports for that matter?
19:07.13HertogLinux version 2.6.12-rc4-mm2- (but the 'official' 3.5.3 shows the same behaviour) and it's for ttyS[0,1,2], or as the kernel tells me, a FFUART, a BTUART and a STUART
19:08.35RPand how are you trying to use the ports?
19:09.05RPThere is at least some functionality there as the serial consoles work for me
19:09.43RPIt could be you're trying to access IO lines not present on the port. It could also be that the serial console (which is enabled by default) is interfering with your serial device if you're using FFUART
19:10.52HertogI'm not trying to use them, as such, but problems occur when I insert a gps or bt card, those cards get ttyS3 (in dmesg and on fbconsole) , but as cardmon thinks ttyS0-2 are unassigned it tries to do magic on those instead of on ttyS3
19:11.25HertogRP: http://pastebin.ca/12731
19:12.13pb_That sounds rather like cardmon (whatever that is) is broken.
19:12.52RPHertog: Ok, you need to work out why cardmon thinks ttyS0-2 are unassigned
19:12.59Hertogpb_: could be. As said, I'm out of my depths here, but since setserial tells that the UARTS are unknown...
19:13.07Hertogpb_: and unsettable
19:13.26pb_setserial just doesn't understand pxa serial ports.  They are unsettable because there are no configurable parameters.
19:13.44RPHertog: unknown is not the same as unassigned
19:13.44pb_You can't change the base address or the irq: those are fixed by the design of the chip.
19:14.13HertogRP: that sounds logical ;)
19:14.25CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3418 10openembedded/packages/maemo/ (3 files): osso-thumbnail_0.3.1-1.bb, osso-gwobex_0.26.1.bb, hildon-lgpl_0.9.14-2.bb: DEPENDS: gtk+ -> gtk+-2.6.4-1.osso7
19:15.03HertogSo it is indeed cardmon whichis bonkers. OK, will go on with my quest in that direction ;)
19:15.13RPHertog: You need to find out why cardmon chooses ttys0-2. If that's due to bad information given out by the kernel, we can fix that. Its more likely cardmon makes assumptions it shouldn't
19:15.39koenit broken on ipaq/2.4 too
19:16.33HertogRP: somewhere I am glad it is cardmon... that code I can at least understand a bit
19:16.40Hertogwhereas the kernelstuff... hats of RP :)
19:17.05RPHertog: Its just a question of what you're use to ;-)
19:17.45Hertogok, off to add some printflines to cardmon then :)
19:19.51HertogI got ticked off by setserial telling me that the port was 0x0000 instead of 0x401  (and the irq being correct) ah well... one learns
19:20.26pb_Where do you get 0x401 from?
19:21.14pb_The port is actually at 0x40100000, but setserial only prints the low 16 bits.
19:22.14pb_mostly because the base address is only interesting for ISA ports.
19:22.21Hertogdmesg tells me it's 0x40100000, just abrevated it
19:23.04pb_heh
19:25.04Hertoghmm, while searching I have seen some patches to setserial floating around so that it knows about those type of uarts, are those intresting for OE? (doubt it)
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19:25.21Hertoginteresting even
19:25.37CosmicPenguinIf they're good patches, I think it would be interesting
19:25.55CosmicPenguinIf they make an OE supported machine work ,they're intresting - that the whole point of a distro after all
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19:26.43HertogCosmicPenguin: I guess it's not about making a machine 'work' as such, more a kind of 'reporting' stuff correctly
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19:27.10CosmicPenguinsame difference
19:32.55hrw'morning' all
19:32.57drwhi hrw
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19:33.16koenhey hrw
19:34.12hrwhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352418/ - weird movie
19:39.42CosmicPenguinI'll bet
19:39.58hrwCosmicPenguin: but nice
19:40.46CosmicPenguinI'll take your word for it
19:40.57hrwwhen I read people^wzaurus 'users' on OESF forums I want to kill some of them for lack of brain...
19:41.35koenhrw: like I said, your IQ drops 30 points when you buy sharp hw
19:42.06trekekoen: ...
19:42.07hrwkoen: sometimes it looks like 30 is what left
19:42.14Hertogwhow, Am I the first to have a negative IQ then?
19:43.23hrwheh.. tomorrow I have to go to work ;(
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19:49.23PigiCiao all
19:50.04Komporeenoo_: Hi. Thanks for the mail in Gtk+WebCore mailinglist. I'm the "maintainer" of it
19:56.07hrwhi Pigi
19:56.18Pigihi hrw
19:56.26hrwbrb
19:57.56hrwcan someone write euro sign?
19:58.02CoreDump|home?
19:58.08Pigi?
19:58.12Pigilike that ?
19:58.14hrwok. thx
19:58.18CoreDump|homenp
19:58.24CosmicPenguinheh
19:58.24Pigiyou're welcome :)
19:58.26hrwstill no luck with it here
19:59.31Pigithat shouldn't be a big problem. Better to be far from euro's :)
20:00.25hrwPigi: I'm switching my debian machines to pl_PL.UTF8
20:00.56Pigieheheh I suspected something like that, but anyway, if you can, keep away from euro's :)
20:02.24CosmicPenguinsage advice
20:05.08hrwPigi: before 2008 (iirc) I will still use pln
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20:05.46Pigiso you're safe for at least other 2,5 years :)
20:05.59pb_heh
20:06.24Pigialso the guys in uk are yet safe ;)      Hi pb_
20:06.27hrwhmm. it seems that I have to reboot to get system working in utf8...
20:06.48pb_hi pigi :-)
20:07.10pb_yes, it seems there is no prospect of the UK signing up to the euro any time soon
20:10.54CosmicPenguinI think the English delight in the uniquness of their monetary system
20:11.28HertogCosmicPenguin: if that where so, they wouldn't have gone metric with it :)
20:11.49hrwhmm.. someone tried to do fresh cvs checkout with current bitbake?
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20:13.40hrwbb.mkdirhier()??
20:14.40hrwok. found
20:18.19hrwlooking at last bugs reported by develusers I vote for adding bitbake version to infos printed on start of build
20:21.11Pigipb_ you know why my patches about  kernel compile in oe haven't been applied ?
20:21.15hrwI was fetching from cvs something which was added 2 days later...
20:21.42zeckehrw: schurig named that function...
20:22.13[g2]hey kergoth I was thinking about kicking off a world build from my Custom build Knoppix DVD that's got all the OE metatdata, bitbake, etc... and all the tarballs for Openslug/Unslung
20:22.40zecke[g2]: how do you want to test the built is okay?
20:23.01pb_Pigi: sorry, no, I don't know
20:23.08Pigiok, np
20:23.09pb_it might just be that nobody has looked at them yet.
20:23.11hrwzecke: name is ok for me - I had other bug
20:23.27zeckehrw: but you solved it?
20:23.33zecke(sorry I'm lagging)
20:23.39zeckeI'm deep into perl *shouder*
20:23.57kergothpoor guy
20:24.10hrwzecke: solved - upped CVSDATE
20:24.46zeckekergoth: I'm using SVN::Client to have a SVN Tinderbox VC_Display :}
20:24.48hrwmickey_away: opie-pcmciaapplet try to install pics/pcmcia/*.png which does not exist
20:24.59[g2]zecke, good question.  Eventually, I think there can be custom regression tests by project
20:25.12[g2]initially, just compiling it all is a feat
20:26.52pb_zecke: cute
20:26.52hrwmickey_away: it use cardmon/pcmcia icon...
20:26.52pb_it's a shame tinderbox is all written in perl.
20:27.23zeckepb_: yes, lack of documentation, lack of examples, lack of common formating...
20:27.29zeckebut yes perl is the biggest burden
20:27.32CosmicPenguinBut it was my impression that you could still do a client in any scripting you want - assuming you can do the e-mailing bits
20:27.45zeckeCosmicPenguin: right
20:27.53zeckeCosmicPenguin: I'll use bitbake for the client
20:28.18zeckebitbakes executes its' own regression suite
20:29.28pb_CosmicPenguin: sure, the client is no problem.  but all the server-side stuff (which is where most of the complexity is) is a mass of crufty and obscure perl.
20:29.38pb_zecke: which of the tinderbox variants are you using?
20:30.31zeckepb_: tinderbox2 right from mozilla.org
20:30.35CosmicPenguinpb_: I'll agree with all of that
20:31.04zeckepb_: tinderbox3 seems unfinished and  I couldn't find sourcecode for the tinderbox3 of osdl
20:32.03CosmicPenguingrr... why I can't I seem to get bitbake to accept svn as a preferred version?
20:34.56pb_zecke: yah, that was my experience as well
20:35.27pb_jg once told me that tinderbox2 was an evolutionary dead end, and tinderbox3 was where all the action was at, but as far as I could tell tinderbox3 was also abandoned.
20:36.19pb_CosmicPenguin: the PREFERRED_VERSION needs to match PV, which is probably "0.0cvsXXXXX" or something.  Setting it to "svn" won't have any useful effect.
20:43.34CIA-903CoreDump 07 * r1.3414.1.1 10openembedded/packages/busybox/busybox_1.00.bb: Unb0rk busybox .bb
20:44.26CIA-903CoreDump 07 * r1.3421 10openembedded/packages/busybox/busybox_1.00.bb: busybox: bump PR
20:45.48CosmicPenguinpb_: crap
20:47.29zeckepb_: tinderbox3 seams dead as well, the only thing that speaks for tinderbox is, it is actually used
20:47.35koenman, this maemo stuff is tedious
20:47.36zeckeand it seams to scale
20:47.40CoreDump|homeafter an "svn up" I'm getting the following error:
20:47.42CoreDump|home+mhentges@oe-head:~/OpenEmbedded/bitbake >bitbake --version
20:47.42CoreDump|home<PROTECTED>
20:47.42CoreDump|home<PROTECTED>
20:47.42CoreDump|home<PROTECTED>
20:47.43CoreDump|homeSyntaxError: invalid syntax
20:47.50CoreDump|homeany clues?
20:47.53zeckeCosmicPenguin: conflict
20:48.00kergothCoreDump|home: looks like an unmerged conflict.
20:48.03kergothheh
20:48.08CoreDump|homehmm
20:48.25zeckeCosmicPenguin: either deconflict it, or just rm the file and svn up
20:48.41zeckeCosmicPenguin: sorry
20:48.48hrwsvn revert file
20:49.00zeckeCoreDump|home: svn resolved palestinian-conflict
20:49.50CIA-903koen 07 * r1.3420 10openembedded/packages/maemo/hildon-lgpl_0.9.14-2.bb: hildon-lgpl_0.9.14-2.bb: fix install and stage
20:50.55CoreDump|homeahh, svn revert + svn up seems to have resolved the problem. Thanks!
20:53.22pb_koen: you should probably consider using oe_libinstall and autotools_stage_includes in your do_stage methods.
20:53.54pb_not that it really matters, but it would be good form
20:54.47pb_CoreDump|home: eh, that changeset that you checked in to busybox looks kind of bogus.
20:54.57pb_-pkg_prerm_${PN} () {
20:54.57pb_+pkg_prerm () {
20:54.59CoreDump|homei know..
20:55.05pb_this will cause the mount stuff to appear in all the subpackage postinsts.
20:55.12CoreDump|homebitbake choked in the _${PN}
20:55.19pb_your bitbake is too old
20:55.19CoreDump|homedunno why
20:55.31pb_you need a newer version.
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20:55.39CoreDump|homeyeah, just did an update
20:56.12CoreDump|homeanyways, since it's the same thing.. ;)
20:56.23reenoo_it's not
20:56.29CoreDump|homehmm?
20:56.32reenoo_back that cset out
20:56.48pb_CoreDump|home: what do you mean by "it's the same thing"?
20:57.09pb_pkg_prerm and pkg_prerm_${PN} are not equivalent, if that's what you were saying.
20:57.12CoreDump|homesomething() == something_${PN} or not?
20:57.14pb_no
20:57.19CoreDump|homehow so?
20:57.36pb_pkg_prerm() will apply globally to everything in ${PACKAGES}.
20:57.43CoreDump|homeah crap
20:57.45pb_pkg_prerm_FOO() will only apply to that one package.
20:58.35pb_so, with your change, busybox-httpd and busybox-udhcpd will both end up with the /bin/mount update-alternatives stuff in their postinsts, which is not what we want.
20:58.38CoreDump|homePACKAGES =+ "${PN}-httpd ${PN}-udhcpd", sorry didn't see that before
20:58.53koenpb_: oelibinstall created foo.so/ (as a dir)
20:58.57koenbut I'll look at it
20:59.39pb_koen: that probably means you invoked it wrong.  You need to give it the directory to install into, not the pathname of the destination library, since it installs multiple files.
20:59.56koenaha
21:00.06koenwill test that after my toolchain gets rebuilt
21:00.13pb_there are numerous examples of (hopefully correct) oe_libinstall usage in other packages.
21:00.26pb_I imagine a few seconds with grep will turn some up for you to look at.
21:00.41koenis there a compelling reason not to auto stage includes and libs?
21:01.34pb_no; just historical inertia, really.
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21:02.05pb_I think it would be reasonable to put autotools_stage_includes() in a do_stage() method for autotools.bbclass, and maybe even base.bbclass.
21:02.12koenI'm also curious why the .so only ends up in .libs/
21:02.19pb_likewise some similar function for libraries.
21:02.36pb_koen: that's just the way libtool works
21:03.01koenyeah but some .so's end up in src/ others don't
21:03.30pb_afaik, libtool will always put the .so files in .libs/.
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21:03.51pb_if it's landing in the parent directory, either the makefile must be doing something special, or it isn't using libtool.
21:03.59koenah, I see
21:04.26pb_actually, it might be that libtool puts the .so files in src/ if you've told it not to build a static library.
21:04.44pb_the ostensible reason for the whole .libs thing seems to be to segregate the stuff relating to static and shared libs.
21:06.21pb_this kind of thing is the main argument in favour of writing an autotools_stage_libs() kind of thing, since "make install" is the only thing that is guaranteed to know how to fish the libraries out of whereever libtool has put them.
21:07.59pb_CoreDump|home: thanks for reverting that change.
21:08.36CoreDump|homenp, it was bogus after all
21:09.09koenpb_: implementing the autostage thingie wouldn't break stuff, right?
21:09.21hrwhttp://bugs.busybox.net/view.php?id=23 - can we have it in busybox?
21:09.23koendo_stage in the .bb would still override it?
21:09.28hrw<PROTECTED>
21:11.07hrwits annoying when I press Backspace in busybox/vi and have to go ESC, then x to remove ^H
21:11.15Piginite all
21:11.37trekeis it really a bug in busy box or just the terminal definition?
21:12.41pb_koen: right
21:12.43hrwtreke: good question..
21:13.42pb_treke: iirc, busybox laughs in the face of terminfo; it just has its own set of expectations about how terminals will behave.
21:13.55CosmicPenguin<PROTECTED>
21:14.00trekepb_: fun
21:14.07CosmicPenguinSo there you ahve it
21:14.15trekeso itsounds like a busy box bug :p
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21:14.47pb_treke: it does make a certain amount of sense, in that 95% of terminfo exists only to support terminals that have been extinct for three decades.
21:14.58trekehehe
21:14.59hrwbye
21:15.23trekeexcept on one persons desk
21:15.33trekewho will promptly scream very loud if it stops working
21:15.43hrw|goneI would like to have HP2623A terminal - my first way to use internet.....
21:15.46pb_I suspect in a lot of cases, there are literally no users.
21:15.56hrw|gonecu
21:16.28pb_the terminfo people seem to feel that part of their remit is to act as a historical archive of old terminal systems, which is laudable enough in itself but not really what you want on a handheld system.
21:17.13CoreDump|homebye hrw|gone
21:17.36koenhrw|gone: is that an envizex?
21:18.06pb_nowadays, I think it's a perfectly defensible position to assume that everyone will be using a terminal that understands vt100 codes, at a minimum.
21:21.56Hertogany good reason to have all four of the possible io schedulers in the kernel?
21:22.25Hertog(don't know how much space they take?)
21:22.28pb_no, that does sound a bit excessive
21:22.50zeckewow my VC_svn.pm does something
21:22.59trekecool
21:23.01koenzecke: congrats
21:23.04zeckelol Out of memory!
21:23.09zeckeso some infinite loop
21:23.16trekezecke: if I were you, I'd not bother writing a bk front end
21:23.19pb_Hertog: I suspect that just the deadline scheduler would be sufficient.
21:23.48Hertogshould I file bugreport?
21:24.55koenpb_: could you have a look at the autostage business?
21:25.28pb_Hertog: good idea
21:25.48Hertog'k will do so in the morning, to bed now. G'night
21:26.25pb_koen: maybe you could check with kergoth and mickey first.  Those guys would need to buy into a change like that.
21:27.41koenI'll mail the list
21:28.29pb_good plan
21:31.45CosmicPenguingrrr....
21:31.48CosmicPenguindamn svn and proxies
21:31.52CosmicPenguinlart them right to hell
21:37.11zeckekoen: how do you find out stageable items? (reuse package_split logic?)
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21:37.46koencheck for .so files is ${D}${libdir}
21:37.52koenthat owuld be my guess
21:38.59koenI think kergoth, mickeyl and pb_ will have some more ideas how to do that
21:39.27pb_yeah, you'd stage ${libdir}/*.so*, ${libdir}/*.a, and maybe the equivalent for /lib.
21:39.45pb_autotools_stage_includes() just grabs everything from ${includedir}.
21:40.06pb_obviously, packages with more complex staging requirements will be free to write do_stage() by hand, just like they always have been
21:41.44zeckepb_: currently I've no objections
21:42.04pb_zecke: very good.  do keep me posted if that situation changes for the worse.
21:42.05zeckekoen: actually I've asked myself the same question a couple of times already
21:43.26pb_and, arguably, if we're going to auto-stage headers and libraries, we might as well make "inherit pkgconfig" the default as well.
21:43.46koenyes
21:43.55koenthat would prevent me from misspelling it
21:44.01koen~lart pkconfig
21:44.17pb_hah
21:44.51koenbitbake continues happily with that typo
21:44.52pb_yeah, there's a separate discussion about whether bitbake should diagnose "inherit bogusclass".
21:45.11pb_it deliberately doesn't diagnose "include bogusfile", but I think you can make a good argument for inherit being different.
21:46.40pb_again, that'd be a policy change that requires buy-in from the uberhackers.
21:55.47koenkoen@dominion:/data/build/oe/openembedded/packages/gnome$ bitbake -b siobhan_0.6.bb
21:55.48koenNOTE: exceptions.AttributeError:'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group' while evaluating:
21:55.51koenhttp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/siobhan/${@gnome_verdir("0.6")}/siobhan-0.6.tar.bz2
21:56.00CosmicPenguingooo
21:56.37pb_no, gnome.bbclass doesn't understand version strings with only two components.
21:57.46pb_it's expecting to see PV="0.6.0" or something, in which case it would look for /pub/GNOME/sources/siobhan/siobhan-0.6/siobhan-0.6.0.tar.bz2
21:58.28pb_if your directory layout doesn't match that, you'll have to set the SRC_URI by hand.
21:58.52mickeylfwiw, i'm all for bb not ignoring classes it can't pick up
21:58.59mickeyli'd welcome a switch for that though
21:59.08pb_makes sense
21:59.30mickeylhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=69&t=12864&st=0#entry81683
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22:00.22pb_heh
22:00.32zeckemy svn stuff gets further
22:01.06mickeylcool. what exactly are you doing with svn ?
22:01.40zeckemickeyl: get all the commits done, and sort them by date
22:01.52zeckemickeyl: so if something breaks you can jump to the commit and see who broke it
22:02.00pb_more or less like bonsai does with cvs, I guess
22:02.01mickeylah that'd be handy
22:02.12mickeylcvsblame :)
22:02.17pb_right
22:02.32CosmicPenguinIt should automatically connect to #oe, lart the person and then leave
22:02.58mickeylhehe
22:03.52zeckemickeyl: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=Firefox
22:04.16mickeylhmm cool
22:04.31zeckemickeyl: yeah bonsai for poor
22:05.10pb_the MozillaTest tree is usually a more interestng one to look at, since that build is usually busted.
22:05.17mickeyl:)
22:05.23pb_Firefox is almost always green, which is a bit dull :-}
22:05.52mickeylindeed. i can very well remember opie being red in the early days of your tinderbox setup
22:05.58pb_heh, right
22:06.20zeckemickeyl: all images were read
22:06.38mickeylof course they were, but pb_ hacked tinderbox
22:06.56mickeylif (gpe == red) gpe = green;
22:07.09mickeyl:D
22:08.06pb_ah, my hack wasn't that sophisticated.  I just had a static assignment: gpe=green, opie=red.
22:08.26mickeylheh
22:08.52pb_cvsblame was easy too, I just pointed that to a static page that said "br1".
22:08.58mickeylhaha
22:09.00mickeylno kidding
22:10.25mickeylanyone actually looked at the 100 patches to gtk?
22:10.36pb_heh, not me
22:10.37mickeylwhat kind of patches are that? features or really bugfixes ?
22:10.53koenstuff needed to build the rest of meamo
22:11.06mickeylhmm so features then. which makes it not quite a drop-in replacement for gtk right?
22:11.11koenis is an older version of gtk, so it won't get pickup by default
22:11.20pb_I think they're a mixture of features, bugfixes and policy changes.
22:11.26zeckemickeyl: both
22:11.40mickeylhmm. that leaves a grain of salt to me
22:11.47pb_it's hard to read the patches, though, since they seem to be split by file rather than by functional set.
22:11.49mickeylsounds like a permanent fork then
22:11.56zeckemickeyl: adoptions for a PDA, smaller widgets
22:12.04koenthey want to push upstream
22:12.09zeckemickeyl: input method changes, disabling tooltips, accells...
22:12.09mickeyli hope they do
22:12.22koensince our gpe patches overlap :)
22:12.26zeckemickeyl: also new features and some look like bugfixes
22:16.38zeckewow my VC display works
22:16.55pb_~praise zecke
22:16.56ibotAll hail zecke!
22:17.01mickeylvery good
22:19.15zecke:)
22:19.24zeckehow do I catch exceptions in perl?
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22:21.35CosmicPenguinooops
22:21.39CosmicPenguinrunaway uclibc config
22:22.18CosmicPenguinonly 12GB for the log file
22:22.20koenI still remember the 90GB logfiles when Kconfig ran wild in the Old Days
22:22.45CosmicPenguinit go boom
22:23.01koenyeah
22:23.29koenI had to keep my fingers crossed when I fired up a build when I was on holiday
22:24.06koenwhen package count was below 1000
22:24.19mickeylhah
22:24.22mickeylthose good ole days
22:26.06koenwhen I didn't go to strange foreign places to drink with strange foreign hackers
22:26.37CoreDump|homemy buildbox just crashed after 150 day uptime :\
22:27.18koen'night all
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22:28.22proti_Got some parsing error on busybox_1.0.bb
22:28.54reenoo_proti_: svn up bitbake
22:29.23CosmicPenguinand bk pull while you're at it
22:29.27proti_reenoo_: When was it fixed ? A few minutes ago ?
22:29.43pb_yesterday
22:30.06proti_svn update
22:30.06pb_a few minutes before the patch in question was applied to bitbake_1.00.bb.
22:30.15proti_at revision 223
22:30.40proti_I synch'ed everything 3 hours ago.
22:30.52CosmicPenguinpb_: s/bitbake/busybox/? :)
22:31.03pb_er, yeah
22:31.06pb_busybox_1.00.bb
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22:32.04proti_Ok, bk was not up to date.
22:32.38zeckeproti_: what would be your stragey to find that a cache is outdatet?
22:33.39proti_file is newer, or parents in cache or file are newer.
22:35.52proti_zecke: What do you have in mind ?
22:37.44proti_Hum, bitbake does not like this line : 'pkg_postinst_${PN} () {'  in busybox_1.00.bb
22:39.35reenoo_proti_: your bitbake isn't up to date
22:40.16proti_reenoo: What rev is bitbake ? I have 223.
22:44.51mickeylg'night
22:44.54reenoo_proti_: sounds like you're running another (outdated) copy instead of what you've checked out.
22:45.02reenoo_'night mickeyl
22:45.11mickeyldon't forget to always rm -rf tmp/cache after a bitbake upgrade
22:45.55reenoo_heh, right. forgot about that.
22:45.56proti_mickey|zzZZzz: night. I did remove cache, but no luck for this one. Since there is a parsing error, the file cache is missing.
22:46.45proti_reenoo_: Outdated, how ?
22:47.47zeckeproti_: wrong path or wrong BBPATH
22:47.59zeckeproti_: ok something smarter than checking every file
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22:51.50proti_zecke: You Need some heuristic to make the cache smarter and use the bitbake semantic to remove false positive.
22:52.23proti_ok, fixed. was a system installed bitbake core that was interfering.
22:52.39proti_My mistake. thank you.
22:52.48CosmicPenguinahh, damn
22:52.52CosmicPenguin~lart NLS
22:53.28zeckesomeone wants to look at the VC_svn.pm?
22:53.29CosmicPenguinI hate that lart
22:53.58proti_zecke: What is it ?
22:54.34Ken|Jlimeis there some issue with quilt_native currently?
22:55.35CosmicPenguinzecke: tinderbox didn't have a VC_svn already?  Strange
22:55.45CosmicPenguinI'll look at it
22:55.51proti_ok night all
23:01.27trekezecke: you just going to pull the tarball snapshots instead of bk?
23:02.35zecketreke: currently I set up tinderbox for bitbake and running bitbake tests
23:02.46zecketreke: I plan to use the NWL bk version
23:03.12zeckeviewcvs integration is now missing
23:03.51zeckeCosmicPenguin: how do I catch an exception?
23:05.58CosmicPenguinzecke: you mean like a signal handler?
23:06.07zeckeCosmicPenguin: handhelds.org/~zecke/VC_svn.pm
23:06.18zeckeCosmicPenguin: I dunno how it is called in perl :}
23:06.36zeckeCosmicPenguin: If I use an invalid svn revision (a not yet existing one)
23:06.46zeckeCosmicPenguin: I get some sort of error which stops tinder.cgi
23:07.02zeckeI would prefer to ignore this error
23:08.11CosmicPenguinzecke: so it dies?
23:09.18CosmicPenguinYour best best is to use eval
23:14.16CosmicPenguinzecke: eval { block } - if it fails, then the string $@ will tell you what happened
23:14.21CosmicPenguinif $@ is zero length, it was successful
23:14.49zeckeCosmicPenguin: how do I test for zero? using scalar?
23:15.40CosmicPenguinlength($@) will work
23:15.49CosmicPenguineval {
23:15.49CosmicPenguin<PROTECTED>
23:15.49CosmicPenguin<PROTECTED>
23:15.49CosmicPenguin};
23:15.49CosmicPenguinprint "Error\n" if length($@);
23:15.50CosmicPenguinprint "Done\n";
23:15.55CosmicPenguinThere's a small example
23:16.55CosmicPenguinIts ugly - Python's exception handling is far superior
23:21.34zeckehehe
23:21.41zeckehmm eval does not do the trick
23:35.28zeckeok tomorrow I will set up mail and write my tinderclient
23:35.49zeckeand then I'll try to migrate that setup to some server at hh.org france can (hopefully) spare
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23:42.46francezecke: I have been working all day on the servers
23:42.53francezecke: getting closer....
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23:45.11zeckefrance: I'm slowly progressing as well, I can display svn commits and now are familiar with that part of the tinderbox
23:46.00zeckefrance: adding BitKeeper support (using no whining client) will be easier
23:46.57zeckefrance: did you start with your port yet?
23:47.22franceyup, I am working on the kernel
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23:53.11zeckefrance: my requirements are currently low
23:53.28zeckefrance: diskspace, ~6 email addresses, bandwidth
23:53.45zeckefrance: if we decice to run tests at hh.org as well we might need more computing power as well
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