| 00:00.15 | luf | Ok. All uploaded. For git it's in git subdir. I hope you can try to merge it with gitorious. |
| 00:12.09 | luf | If someone is curious (and better want help) about PBAP call history development I uploaded the patch to the http://merlin1991.at/~luf/pbap/call_history/ |
| 00:13.11 | luf | Time to go to bed ... |
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| 13:17.12 | amiconn | wonders whether the cssu updater will ever learn to re-enable bluetooth after reboot :\ |
| 13:18.17 | merlin1991 | amiconn: it will never |
| 13:18.27 | merlin1991 | system lib is controling that stuff |
| 13:18.30 | amiconn | Hmm, and I expected T4.1 to remove the operator name widget... |
| 13:21.31 | kerio | oooh, T4.1 is out? |
| 13:21.51 | amiconn | The little yellow square told me... |
| 13:31.24 | kerio | alright, updated |
| 13:31.39 | merlin1991 | kerio: it's fixed ham and fixed gnomevfs |
| 13:31.44 | kerio | yeah, i saw |
| 13:31.50 | kerio | updating those with apt was ok, right? |
| 13:31.55 | kerio | i even rebooted right afterwards |
| 13:39.24 | merlin1991 | yep should be fine |
| 13:40.41 | kerio | ^_^ |
| 13:40.55 | kerio | ok, now to install KP51 and cssu-thumb :P |
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| 13:58.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer06! |
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| 15:40.04 | ShadowX | what does T4.1 stand for? CSSU - Testing v4.1 ? |
| 15:41.06 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 15:41.18 | *** mode/#maemo-ssu [+o merlin1991] by ChanServ |
| 15:41.28 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo3 |
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| 15:51.40 | ShadowX | another stupid question :) switching from CSSU-S to CSSU-T can be done just by adding the repo , right? (and apt-get update, upgrade ofc) |
| 15:54.14 | ShadowX | Oh, and another thing i wannet to ask , r u planning to replace 'bme' in CSSU (long term)? |
| 15:59.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: eh? |
| 16:03.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowX: long term maybe, though veeeeery long term |
| 16:03.33 | ShadowX | good thing happen slowly :) |
| 16:03.42 | ShadowX | s/thing/things/ |
| 16:03.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | since bme replacement is a kernel module |
| 16:04.01 | ShadowX | ha infobot rulz :D |
| 16:07.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowX: for now a lot of user would get scare by us futzing with battery charging |
| 16:07.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | and there's no sound rationale to replace bme so far |
| 16:14.12 | ShadowX | I understand. I was asking 'cose i saw talks about it and that its possible to replace it and I was curious what are your plans about it. And when I come to think of it , for the moment this is the best choice ...having bme in CSSU and FOSS alternative for whoever wants it. |
| 16:17.52 | ShadowX | btw sorry for the 4324234233 questions (i'll have more soon :P ) but i'm kind of new to the maemo community and there are still things I dont understand... and maybe see the direction where CSSU is heading. |
| 16:18.00 | ShadowX | on this subject - great job on CSSU :) |
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| 17:15.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks |
| 17:27.06 | tadzik | panda install ufo 6.01s |
| 17:27.11 | tadzik | ww, sorry |
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| 18:04.42 | luf | freemangordon: hi |
| 18:05.06 | freemangordon | luf: hi |
| 18:05.40 | luf | freemangordon: you asked why I marked obexd and eds for cssu (I missed the question yesterday) |
| 18:06.06 | luf | It's because it's part of SDK/rootfs so I think it should be part of CSSU |
| 18:07.16 | freemangordon | luf: yeah, merlin1991 explained |
| 18:23.43 | Raimu | freemangordon: Hi. |
| 18:23.52 | Raimu | freemangordon: T4.1-thumb coming in the near future? |
| 18:33.12 | freemangordon | Raimu: no need, just don't upgrade |
| 18:33.35 | freemangordon | latest -testing just distributes ARM-compiled binaries |
| 18:34.04 | freemangordon | HAM and osso-gnome-vfs were thumb-compiled by mistake |
| 18:34.55 | Raimu | There version hike for HAM is just for the ARM-compile fix? |
| 18:35.04 | Raimu | *The |
| 18:38.11 | kerio | freemangordon: are the -thumb ones still of a higher version? |
| 18:55.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | yoyoyo |
| 18:57.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | so you think I finally could make that friggin [!] in systemtray vanish? |
| 18:59.11 | kerio | huh? |
| 19:02.32 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: watcha talking about? |
| 19:03.47 | merlin1991 | luf: ping |
| 19:05.26 | luf | merlin1991: pong |
| 19:10.59 | merlin1991 | luf: did you test the eds changes already? |
| 19:12.09 | luf | merlin1991: what do you exactly mean if I test eds changes? |
| 19:12.20 | luf | I installed it on my phone and use it. |
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| 19:12.38 | merlin1991 | I think you wrote that you had no access to your car and thus couldn't test if it helps? |
| 19:12.44 | luf | I see no problem. The only change should be in export + import. |
| 19:12.58 | luf | I'll have my car on Saturday. |
| 19:13.04 | merlin1991 | ah okay :) |
| 19:13.12 | merlin1991 | I'm looking forward to a positive result then .) |
| 19:13.18 | luf | :D |
| 19:17.08 | luf | I hope someone test it earlier. |
| 19:17.16 | luf | It's not dangerous. |
| 19:20.54 | luf | merlin1991: do you have PBAP HF? |
| 19:23.28 | merlin1991 | I don't know if mine does |
| 19:23.40 | merlin1991 | it's semi broken atm anyway :D |
| 19:24.10 | luf | atm? |
| 19:24.35 | merlin1991 | at the moment |
| 19:24.59 | merlin1991 | my car's always in a somehow broken state :D |
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| 19:26.48 | luf | :D |
| 19:27.16 | merlin1991 | 10 year old peugeot, always something broken :) |
| 19:28.34 | luf | Ahhh it's good that it still working (at least partialy) ;) |
| 19:29.36 | ShadowJK | No wonder peugeot is in trouble :) |
| 19:30.27 | merlin1991 | well most trouble comes from parking in vienna |
| 19:30.44 | merlin1991 | you wouldn't expect how much damage your car can get when you *not* move it |
| 19:32.16 | luf | Sure. It's the worst when other cars try to move your car :D |
| 19:32.31 | merlin1991 | exactly |
| 19:32.35 | ShadowJK | has vandal insurance :) |
| 19:33.03 | merlin1991 | ShadowJK: hm if I had that, they would laugh in my face declare my car totalled and give me 100€ :/ |
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| 19:34.52 | ShadowJK | A 10 year old toyota is still like 5000-15000 second hand here :) |
| 19:35.25 | merlin1991 | I got it for 3000 xD |
| 19:36.50 | luf | Sure, it's vehicle with lion ... |
| 19:37.34 | merlin1991 | ShadowJK: so far I've replaced 2 mirrors and repainted the a part (I didn't bother to fix the bump) thanks to some friendly local people who never had the guts to say it was them |
| 19:37.50 | merlin1991 | the a part = a part :D |
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| 19:41.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: talking about UPDATE |
| 19:41.54 | merlin1991 | ah now I understand :D |
| 19:42.09 | merlin1991 | yeah with 4.1 there should be all bugs fixed that came with 4 so you're good to go :) |
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| 19:44.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | fine, just need to come home |
| 19:47.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: no dataplan? weird |
| 19:47.53 | kerio | it's like 500kb or something |
| 19:48.05 | kerio | the apt update takes 16 times more than the update though |
| 19:48.06 | kerio | so lol |
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| 20:21.39 | merlin1991 | hm the way tmo wants more and more portrait on the n900 I feel like starting to hack to get landscape onto the n950 :D |
| 20:22.40 | ThreeM | :) |
| 20:23.34 | arcean_ | merlin1991 that's already done by Vesuri :D |
| 20:23.45 | merlin1991 | link? |
| 20:24.00 | arcean_ | http://vesuri.jormas.com/harmattan/libmeegotouch.html |
| 20:24.55 | merlin1991 | arcean_: I was thinking of a cleaner way (actually patching the ui code in all those applications |
| 20:25.15 | merlin1991 | sadly swipe ui is closed, so nfc if I can get the homescreens fixed that way |
| 20:25.26 | merlin1991 | also the settings menu might be interesting |
| 20:25.35 | arcean_ | apps are closed :/ |
| 20:25.50 | merlin1991 | well not all of them afaik |
| 20:26.15 | arcean_ | but it works really nice with those patches |
| 20:26.18 | merlin1991 | I'll go the good old cssu way, fix where there are sources, and re everything else :D |
| 20:26.28 | merlin1991 | does it affect the homescreen aswell? |
| 20:26.36 | arcean_ | heh |
| 20:27.03 | arcean_ | merlin1991, no idea, I've enabled landscape homescreens earlier |
| 20:28.03 | merlin1991 | just wondering which sources apply for the n950 sw release |
| 20:28.41 | arcean_ | depends on harm version on your n950 :P |
| 20:29.10 | merlin1991 | 1.1 (2.2011.39-5) |
| 20:29.17 | arcean_ | my n950 is running pr 1.3 |
| 20:29.37 | merlin1991 | I hope you didn't flash the sw certs |
| 20:29.44 | merlin1991 | otherwise you're fucked if you have to actually flash :D |
| 20:29.47 | arcean_ | and 1.2beta is terribly slow |
| 20:30.01 | arcean_ | merlin1991, I know :) |
| 20:30.31 | arcean_ | merlin1991, you can use N9 repo and do OTA or some magic with flasher |
| 20:31.07 | merlin1991 | or I stay with my n950 pr ;) |
| 20:31.53 | arcean_ | meh, it's too easy :D |
| 20:34.45 | arcean_ | btw the part of homescreen responsible for rotation is open source :) |
| 20:35.02 | merlin1991 | yay |
| 20:35.13 | merlin1991 | is going to hack right away after the movie finishes |
| 20:35.23 | arcean_ | lol |
| 20:35.26 | merlin1991 | ah yeah I still need to give the n950 a fixed ip |
| 20:40.26 | arcean_ | and here are screenshots of some apps in landscape: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1236287&postcount=9 |
| 20:41.33 | merlin1991 | I'll see what I can do in the open parts :) |
| 20:41.57 | kerio | oh god portrait |
| 20:43.52 | arcean_ | those apps are mostly MTF-based, so editing CSS files could be enough |
| 20:58.23 | merlin1991 | okay movie is over, time to check some stuff |
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| 21:11.05 | luf | What movie? Dexter is still running :D |
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| 21:12.10 | merlin1991 | luf: .mkv file on my pc ;) |
| 21:12.19 | merlin1991 | and dexter is a series not a movie ;) |
| 21:12.53 | luf | Who cares? :D |
| 21:20.50 | luf | Shit how to easily create some async callback? |
| 21:23.50 | luf | pbap in obexd is piece of ... |
| 21:24.57 | luf | It doesn't count that backend should be synchronous :( |
| 21:25.14 | DocScrutinizer06 | :-((( |
| 21:25.23 | DocScrutinizer06 | GSM signal meter fucked up |
| 21:25.41 | DocScrutinizer06 | shows 2.5 all the time |
| 21:26.57 | DocScrutinizer06 | either it got stuck at 2.5, OR there actually is constant data traffic via GSM now, despite the network connection via WLAN is active |
| 21:39.49 | luf | Ok. I patched pbap.c to support async backends. I hope I don't broke something else :( |
| 21:42.49 | luf | :D I get list of incoming, outgoing and missed calls :) |
| 21:43.07 | luf | The async versus sync took me 2 hours of my life. |
| 21:51.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | BUG: CSSU-T4.1 showing GSM:2.5 even when no EDGE |
| 21:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and UNplugging fastcharger pops up "Ass Rage Mode?" "PC suite mode?" |
| 21:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | time for a second boot I'd say |
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| 21:57.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I'm starting to feel unsure about whether this 2.5G thing was working "correctly" in previous CSSU |
| 21:58.52 | Woody14619 | 2.5G Is edge... |
| 21:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway now it's stuck at 2.5, while I'm quite sure there's been a time where it switched back to 2G when no data transfer (quite a natural think as you can't tell if GSM is EDGE or mere 2G unless you actually transmit data - at least that's what I seem to know) |
| 21:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: yes, so what? |
| 21:59.42 | Woody14619 | The only time I've had it drop down below 2.5 was when I was in an area that didn't support it. (Or was on the edge of service.) |
| 22:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | that seems odd |
| 22:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's been different in former times |
| 22:00.41 | jon_y | hey guys, what is the preferred way to cross compile n900 kernels/apps, the nokia ubuntu VM? |
| 22:00.59 | Woody14619 | I'm confused... Are you saying it's staying in 2.5, or it's dropping to 2.0 when idle? I've always had it do the former, not the later. |
| 22:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | scratchbox |
| 22:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | now it's stuck at 2.5 |
| 22:01.20 | jon_y | scratchbox2? |
| 22:01.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 22:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the nokia flavour |
| 22:01.32 | Woody14619 | I'm on CSSU-T4.0 right now (haven't updated to 4.1) |
| 22:01.57 | merlin1991 | just do it, only good stuff comes with it :D |
| 22:01.58 | Woody14619 | And get the same behavior... Stays on 2.5, even when not connected. |
| 22:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: you can find a lot of "why is this thing switching to 2G?" probably even tickets in bugzilla |
| 22:02.25 | Woody14619 | merlin1991: I will, just haven't had the time to scratch my ass, yet alone deal with an update. ;) |
| 22:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | update went flawlessly (haven't checked my SIP yet ;-P) |
| 22:03.19 | Woody14619 | May be a regional issue? FWIW: I was running on AT&T in the US for over a year, with no option of 3G, so... |
| 22:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | SIP ok |
| 22:03.52 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: does scratchbox2 require chroot? |
| 22:03.57 | Woody14619 | It may be it does something different in 3G mode? I don't tick that on often unless I need it (I'm now on T-MO) |
| 22:04.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it IS a chroot |
| 22:04.13 | jon_y | ah ok, means no cygwin for me |
| 22:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | a mega monster chroot |
| 22:04.44 | jon_y | well, looks like I'll be setting up Debian :) |
| 22:05.01 | jon_y | is unfortunate to own a n900 with HW revision 2204 |
| 22:05.13 | jon_y | uboot seldom work on it |
| 22:05.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 22:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense |
| 22:05.37 | jon_y | it just do a reboot loop |
| 22:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather "I never heard that before" |
| 22:05.49 | jon_y | Pali's uboot |
| 22:06.01 | jon_y | the new 2012.4-2 |
| 22:06.13 | jon_y | the Nokia PR1.3 uboot works though |
| 22:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 22:06.46 | jon_y | loading a kernel with fbcon says it couldn't mount ubi0:root or some such |
| 22:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no hw diff between any board revisions that could explain / cause that |
| 22:07.16 | jon_y | this scratchbox? https://maemo.gitorious.org/scratchbox2 |
| 22:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 22:07.34 | merlin1991 | jon_y: no |
| 22:07.35 | jon_y | yeah, I read Pali's thread about requesting atags |
| 22:07.41 | merlin1991 | n900 dev happens on good old sb1 |
| 22:08.05 | jon_y | merlin1991: hmm ok |
| 22:08.28 | jon_y | merlin1991: this one? http://www.scratchbox.org/download/ |
| 22:08.44 | merlin1991 | doesn't find the bloody wiki entry |
| 22:09.09 | merlin1991 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 22:09.27 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: the thread -> http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=1238295 |
| 22:09.40 | jon_y | well, I read all 38 pages :| |
| 22:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: well, what can I say? |
| 22:10.04 | jon_y | merlin1991: thanks |
| 22:10.21 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: hopefully pali is still around to help on 2204 |
| 22:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no reason why uBoot *must* fail on any particular hw rev. atags might differ as they describe the storage and that might have changed slightly in abstract descriotion, NOT in function |
| 22:11.39 | jon_y | anything I can do to debug it? |
| 22:11.42 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: afaik palis uboot strips the amount of atags, maybe something vital is going missing there? |
| 22:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible |
| 22:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | some storage might get reported as one chunk, while another flash chip might report two chunks of half the size |
| 22:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | same for RAM |
| 22:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: ask pali when he's around |
| 22:13.41 | jon_y | ok |
| 22:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen pali |
| 22:13.59 | infobot | pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 2h 10m 5s ago, saying: 'only'. |
| 22:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen pali_ |
| 22:14.05 | infobot | pali_ <~quassel@rohar.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 321d 22h 37m 50s ago, saying: 'usbtty - cdc_acm working fine, but when I booted maemo kernel, dsme start rebooting and I got always kernel panic (when device entered reboot state)'. |
| 22:14.11 | jon_y | hopefully I can poke about uboot around next week |
| 22:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 22:14.42 | jon_y | hmm, speaking of reboot panics |
| 22:15.11 | jon_y | the nokia pr1.3 uboot also gets stuck if I power on too quickly after reboot |
| 22:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
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| 22:41.12 | Woody14619a | jon_y: had the same issue with one of my two N900s. (though I don't know the hardware rev of my devices) |
| 22:42.09 | Woody14619a | even had them identical software wise, kernel flash + backup-menu restore... One would boot, the other loop twice and shutdown. |
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