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00:14.15mefistofeleshey, I was wondering how is the ultra wide and HiDPI monitor experience with plasma, I'm planning on getting one
00:14.30mefistofelesif anyone has any tips or information, I'd appreciate it
00:14.58JanKusanagino idea about why being "ultra wide" would matter, but HiDPI should have little issues, since Plasma supports screen scaling
00:16.00mefistofelesJanKusanagi: about the ultra wide thing, I was thinking about the tiling
00:16.08JanKusanagihuh?
00:16.21mefistofelesfor example, I'm not sure I could make it easy to put four windows, could I?
00:16.28mefistofeleslike in a single row
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00:23.32mefistofelesas in, you get tiling shortcuts only for left/right up/down
00:24.06mefistofelesbut for an ultra wide monitor it may be convenient to have an extra level for left/right tiling
00:27.49mefistofeleshttps://github.com/zhimsel/Kwin-Ultrawide-Tiling so I guess something like this may work
00:28.27JanKusanagithere are a lot of things that can be done via KWin's scripting
00:28.33JanKusanagibut KWin is not a tiling WM
00:29.36mefistofelesor something like this https://github.com/lingtjien/Grid-Tiling-Kwin
00:29.45mefistofelesJanKusanagi: yeah, I know that of course
00:30.03mefistofelesbut tiling is pretty much convenient if not required for such ultra wide monitors, imho
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00:39.35sigNeondo people not use the http://forum.kde.org
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00:43.18mefistofelessigNeon: I prefer IRC, then the forum
00:43.37sigNeonthe forum on kde.org is dead
00:43.57sigNeonI'm having a few issues, one with Settings > Global Themes.
00:44.06sigNeonwhen trying to install a new theme Settings app crashes
00:44.09sigNeonand...
00:44.24sigNeonKIO-Gdrive is broke, won't let you add a google account
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00:44.44mefistofelesbut thanks to the forum I found about this https://github.com/esjeon/krohnkite
00:44.46JanKusanagiI don't use the forum, but it's certainly not dead
00:45.23sigNeonPlasma: 5.20.2 Frameworks version: 5.75.0 Qt Version: 5.15.0
00:45.55sigNeonJanKusanagi: maybe not completely dead but certainly not a place to get quick answers
00:45.57sigNeonheh
00:46.16JanKusanagiI wouldn't expect a forum to be a place for quick answers...
00:46.32sigNeonI filed a bug report on the Settings app crashing when trying to install new themes.
00:46.43sigNeonneed to file one for KIO-gdrive
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07:20.56DoeHello, world!
07:21.35DoeDoes your KDE capable with high resolution screens?
07:22.01DoeApart from scaling, what other method do you use to make it looks better
07:22.04mefistofelesplasma should be able to handle high resolution displays, yes
07:26.07mefistofelesI don't really know what else is there other than scaling
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07:30.34DoeThank you @mefistofeles
07:30.52DoeMuch appreciate for your advice
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08:33.32DarwinElfdoes identity.kde.or work for bugs.kde.org yet or should I ask #kde-devel ?  I just had trouble logging in to report bugs, when I was already logged in on the identity site...
08:33.37DarwinElf'identity.kde.org'
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09:40.53MamarokDarwinElf: you should be able to log into bugs.kde.org with your identity account, if that doesn't work, open a sysadmin ticket
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10:22.22hommahi, i tried to disable Dim Screen and Screen Energy Saving On AC Power in the energy saving of KDE's power management, but it didn't work. After i didn't touch the mouse for a few minutes, the screen was locked.
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12:08.00BluesKajHi all
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12:55.15LopeI came to ask a question, but solved it. I just want to say that KDE is frikkin amazing.
12:55.28LopeAnd thank you to all the devs and contributors.
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13:10.56azrdevKDE 5.18 on Fedora32 here. I had plasmashell hang today and restarted it with kquitapp&&kstart5. since, the meta key doesn't work anymore for plasma, as it did before: single press should open the launcher, meta+1 meta+2 etc should open my pinned programs from the taskbar
13:11.01azrdevany ideas?
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13:14.00JanKusanagiwell, AFAIK that hack is handled by KWin, not plasmashell, so maybe restart kwin_x11
13:14.55JanKusanagi(there's no "KDE 5.18", but there's Plasma 5.18)
13:16.13swarfegastill says KDE in the about box
13:18.51azrdevre:version indeed, just took the wording from /topic
13:21.14azrdevre:mod  indeed `kwin_x11 --replace` helped. before, I also noticed  a lot of log lines "kglobalaccel5[2780]: kf.windowsystem.keyserver.x11: Your keyboard setup doesn't provide a key to use for meta. See 'xmodmap -pm' or 'xkbcomp $DISPLAY " in journal
13:21.21azrdevJanKusanagi: thanks for the nudge
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13:28.40azrdevactually, opening the launcher works, but pressing meta+numbers still doesn't and triggers the xmodmap warning
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13:47.32RMichelsenHi all, I read that KDE Plasma 5.20 supports Wayland with Nvidia GPUs: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland/Nvidia. Does anyone know how multi-monitor support is? Especially with multiple screens with different refresh rates?
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14:04.11SauerlandRMichelsen:  bad?  https://linuxnews.de/2020/10/wayland-reif-fuer-den-produktiveinsatz/
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14:14.21RMichelsenSauerland: Well thats disappointing to read, (I google translated it). I was hoping I could finally give Linux a shot again.
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14:16.26Sauerlandand why wayland?
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14:24.36RMichelsenX11 doesnt work with mixed refresh rates on Nvidia atleast
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14:25.00mpm231"Default Applications" doesn't open, what can I do?
14:25.02RMichelsenSauerland: And has abysmal performance for me, its to the point where it runs more laggish than my 10 year old laptop. On my i7-7700k and 2080Ti
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14:26.10mpm231can I run Default Applications from the terminal to see if it has any errors? Is there a log somewhere?
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14:43.00BitterblueRMichelsen: Try it out with Arch Linux or Opensuse Tumbleweed or Gentoo, probably.
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14:52.54JanKusanagiswarfega: if you mean the "About KDE" box, of course it says "KDE", because KDE is a thing... it's just not a desktop environment =)
14:53.12swarfegaindeed
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15:23.56twojukeboksiy0. Anyone happen to know where I can change behaviour of my KDE neon 5.20.2 that newly opened windows are brought to the top of the stack?
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15:24.46twojukeboksiI don't like the default of needing to click the icon in the taskbar
15:25.18Mamaroktwojukeboksi: for neon you should ask in #kde-neon-users
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15:26.13twojukeboksiBut the answer is in the System Settings, I just don't know where.
15:26.49twojukeboksiLove the new textless large sticky icons taskbar btw, awesome
15:27.05JanKusanagiit's not new
15:27.18JanKusanagithe only new thing about it is that it's set by default
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15:27.22JanKusanagi(sadly...)
15:27.41JanKusanagibut the Icon-Only task manager widget has been available for ages
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15:38.48twojukeboksiThe newest CryFS (default ciphering system of the KDE Wallet) was really impressive. I got ~ 65MB/s average rate on stashing 50GB of files. Seems like an improvement on parallelization. Towards the end it was asking for 470% of 8 cores
15:39.33twojukeboksi*KDE Vault, not Wallet
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15:45.54JanKusanagithey're called Plasma Vaults
15:46.03JanKusanagifrom day 0 =)
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16:50.52DefiniotelynotjaHey
16:50.59JanKusanagio/
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16:51.18DefiniotelynotjaI got a question about  freenode
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16:51.32DefiniotelynotjaWhy I can't netcat to chat.freenode.net:6667 through my machine
16:51.33JanKusanagithen this is not the place xD
16:51.43Definiotelynotja:(
16:51.52JanKusanagiI suggest you find out where Freenode's support is
16:52.06JanKusanagithis is a channel about software made by KDE, which happens to be hosted on Freenode's network
16:52.08DefiniotelynotjaI see
16:52.22DefiniotelynotjaYeah, I just read "about"
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18:38.33edgyHi, I read in the release notes that there is now SMART disk support in systemsettings but I cannot find it, any help, please?
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18:39.26edgyI see there is now this new plasma-disks 5.20.2 but searching for SMART reveals nothing
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18:42.32BitterblueI thought it would be something that shows up among the Background Services.
18:42.40BitterblueI don't see it there.
18:43.42BitterblueAh, but I have Plasma 5.20.1. The plasma-disks package is not installed.
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18:44.04BitterblueWeird that it was introduced in .2.
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18:48.37jankusanagi_it was introduced with Plasma 5.20.0
18:49.56BitterblueOh, then it must not have been pulled in as a dependency for some existing package.
18:50.17jankusanagi_I see no reason to have that be a dependency of anything, just an extra
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18:59.05edgyjankusanagi_: in Archlinux it's part of the group plasma
18:59.48edgyjankusanagi_: which is logical since no one want to install all plasma components manually
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19:02.30edgyI thought may be the smartd service is not running but it is. Still no way to access this SMART from systemsettings
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19:04.57BitterblueIt is in the Background Services, actually. But searching for "smart" doesn't lead there.
19:07.58edgyBitterblue: in the Background services you can just run or stop the service, but there should be another place to see the result and monitor the disks
19:08.16edgyBitterblue: it's shown in the release video
19:08.40edgyBitterblue: check https://kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.20/plasma-disks.png
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19:15.47BitterblueI have that.
19:20.31edgyBitterblue: you have what? the one in the image?
19:21.18edgyBitterblue: in which tab exactly?
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19:22.10edgymy bad! I was searching in systemsettings whereas it is in systeminfo
19:23.05edgyit's in kinfocenter
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19:25.19edgyAnother thing they mentioned we can now control the charging limit of the battery. I couldn't find this too ;)
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19:30.23qwe3450OS: 64 bit Windows 8 Professional (Version 6.2 1909 Build 9200.1139), CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4710HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz @ 2494 MHz 1024 KB Cache, MEM: 8109 MB, 16% (1296 MB) free, DISKS: total 918 GB - 25,4 GB free, GFX: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 850M 2048 MB, SCREEN: Generic PnP Monitor, 1920 x 1080 @ 32 bit, 60 Hz, AUDIO: Realtek High Definition Audio, UPTIME: 8 d, 7 h, 14 m
19:30.52qwe3450CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4710HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz @ 2494 MHZ (Intel64 Family 6 Model 60 Stepping 3), 1024 KB Cache
19:31.23qwe3450MEM: 8109 MB - 17% (1377 MB) free
19:31.30qwe3450GFX: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 850M 2048 Mb, SCREEN: Generic PnP Monitor, 1920 x 1080 @ 32 bit, 60 Hz
19:31.43qwe3450DISKS: total 918 GB - 25,4 GB free
19:31.49qwe3450AUDIO: Realtek High Definition Audio
19:32.09qwe3450UPTIME: 8 days, 7 hours, 15 minutes
19:32.19Fuchsokay.jpg
19:34.33edgyany one knows about how to set the battery limit in new plasma?
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19:53.58BitterblueIsn't the battery charging limit thing exclusive to Thinkpads?
19:54.36ncuxoHello, Is there a way to make the Clipboard app to auto delete its content?
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19:59.30BitterblueKRunner is also a calculator???
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20:01.37SGOravaHello, where do I find a way to disable transparent context menus in plasma widgets (the one triggered from toolbar and so on|
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21:16.38jankusanagi_define "toolbar" xD
21:17.31SGOravathe main one
21:17.59SGOravathe one with application menu, taskbar, tray, clock and mess
21:18.01jankusanagi_huh?
21:18.07jankusanagi_ah, ok, the panel
21:18.26jankusanagi_but context menus there are the same as in any Qt-based program
21:18.35jankusanagi_so in your Qt style options
21:18.49SGOravaI use kvantum for qt
21:18.56jankusanagi_so in kvantum's options
21:19.13SGOravathe normal context menu is not transparent while only the menu from this panel is transparent
21:19.45SGOravasince you know that, can you nacigate me how to change it?
21:19.48jankusanagi_I see regular Qt menues
21:20.00jankusanagi_unless you don't really meant _context_ menus
21:20.39jankusanagi_context menues are generally triggered via right-mouse-button, is that what you mean?
21:20.42SGOravawhen I invoke context menu on clock it is transparent, well the main one is, the child menu is normal after that
21:21.02SGOravayes that i what I mean, right click menu
21:22.15jankusanagi_I just remembered, it's actually a desktop effect, regardless of your Qt style
21:22.28jankusanagi_it's the "Translucency" effect in the Desktop Effects list
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21:23.19SGOravaI already disabled that one, do I need to reboot to make it take effect?
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21:23.53jankusanagi_no idea
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21:24.12jankusanagi_maybe in your case it's a Kvantum specific thing
21:24.38SGOravaso you think it is kvantum bug?
21:25.17SGOravathe thing is normal qt probgrams are fine, only this panel menus are like this
21:26.18SGOravaOK, whatever, I will go and find some other window manager which supports the features I need, Plasma is too big
21:26.29SGOravaThank you for your help
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21:27.20bombdouble clicking on the title bar doesn't maximize the window, even though it's configured to do so. is it a known bug?  I'm on 5.19.5
21:29.57jankusanagi_no idea, but works fine on Plasma 5.20.2
21:30.03jankusanagi_is that in any window?
21:30.18jankusanagi_or maybe some CSD-based (cancer) window?
21:30.57jankusanagi_SGOrava: Plasma is not a window manager, it's not too big, and it's not at fault for Kvantum faults
21:30.59jankusanagi_=)
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21:32.13bombjankusanagi_: it's the case for all KDE apps too
21:33.52jankusanagi_and this has been happening for a while, with at least one reboot?
21:33.56SGOravajankusanagi_ look, I just need some more advanced window manager so I treid plasma since I have most of kde things installed anyway; you say it is kvantum bug, but theming in KDE is total mess, you have widget styles (regular qt| and than you have some colors it is true mess and it is utterly fault of Plasma
21:34.17jankusanagi_no xD
21:34.56SGOravajankusanagi_: I know plasma is not WM, it is DE, I wanted to use kwin but tat the same time I would need some mess around it and change everything so why not directly try plasma?
21:35.39SGOravaso I did try it, apart from it providing me support for that single feature I need it is hell to use
21:37.39jankusanagi_no
21:38.05SGOravajankusanagi_: you say it is not too big, it depends on how much of it you know, I knew almost nothing and the default behaviour of most thing is unacceptable so changing everything to more acceptable state takes a lot of time, that is what I mean by big, it has too many options but it lacks the one I wish to have
21:38.57SGOravain the end it is very bad trade, I gained one feature from windows manager (kwin is it?| but lost everything else
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21:39.53SGOravayou say no to me because the functions provided are enough for you, i say all this mess in order to explain why I see it this or that way
21:41.32jankusanagi_no xD
21:42.03SGOravajankusanagi_: in a way I am grateful to plasma/kwin, it provided me refuge and "help" when I needed it. But it is imposible for it to become my daily driver WM/DE
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21:42.18jankusanagi_my Plasma is as far from defaults as it can get, btw
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21:42.51bombjankusanagi_: reboot solved the double click maximize problem. it's weird restarting plasma didn't :)
21:43.07jankusanagi_what do you mean by "restarting plasma"?
21:43.30SGOravaOK, i wish to be able to focus window from taskbar by scroll up/down with mouse wheel, I did not find this function there (there is only some switch to next/previous which is not what I desire|
21:43.43jankusanagi_if you mean "restarting the plasmashell process", that wouldn't restart KWin, so the titlebar issue would continue
21:43.46bombjankusanagi_: plasmashell --replace
21:43.55bombhmm
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21:44.09jankusanagi_yep, that doesn't restart the window manager, so your issue of course, continues
21:44.25jankusanagi_you _can_ use kwin_x11 (or kwin_wayland, if applicable) --replace
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21:45.19bombjankusanagi_: ah, okay. thank you
21:45.25jankusanagi_yw
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22:23.52ncuxojankusanagi_: can I get some input on my question also please
22:24.45jankusanagi_?
22:32.23ncuxoIs there a way to make the Clipboard app to auto delete its content?
22:32.33jankusanagi_auto-delete when?
22:33.01jankusanagi_if you don't want a clipboard history, you can disable the clipboard widget altogether, like I do =)
22:33.20jankusanagi_you don't need that widget to have basic clipboard functionality
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22:35.00ncuxoIs disable enough?
22:35.26ncuxoI was thinking more of uninstall but thats impossible because it is integrated in the Plasma Desktop
22:35.42jankusanagi_no need to uninstall anything
22:36.02jankusanagi_if you disable it from the systray, you'll only have the basic clipboard functionality
22:36.31jankusanagi_that is, only one thing in the clipboard at a time, and the thing gets lost if you close the originating program before pasting somewhere else
22:37.07ncuxomy problem is that some of my password clipboards ended up there
22:37.40ncuxoI can setup my Password manager to forget it after 15 sec but clipboard widget kept them for a whole week :D
22:38.49jankusanagi_well, your problem would go away if you disable the Clipboard wdiget
22:39.03jankusanagi_not that I understand why one would copy passwords to the clipboard, though... xD
22:39.14ncuxoI've noticed that today and disabled it but I didn't knew if it is enough
22:40.04ncuxohow to do transfer your passwords from the Password manager to the site you are entering if your db is local and you don't use any plugins?
22:40.27jankusanagi_my password manager is my brain, and the transfer is via fingers xD
22:41.08ncuxowell different account and 20 char random password on each account cant fit in my brain
22:41.47ncuxoI'm using a single 30 chars rand gen password I've made myself remember to unlock the password manager
22:42.04ncuxothe rest I don't have space for them in my brain :D
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22:44.17newuser6548Hello
22:45.46jankusanagi_o/
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22:53.05bombis it possible to spin down internal hard drives?
22:55.18sigNeonbomb: what would be the purpose of that?
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22:56.06bombsigNeon: energy and noise reduction
22:57.13sigNeontime to switch to SSD's
22:57.20jankusanagi_if you unmount the drive, its own firmware should spin it down after some time
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22:58.30bombnever seem to happen on Linux like it does on Windows jankusanagi_
22:58.47sigNeonand I actually think you can do that in hdparm
22:59.02jankusanagi_there's probably a way via hdparm or via smartmontools
22:59.18jankusanagi_but an unmounted driver should spin down after a number of minutes
22:59.24jankusanagi_the minutes depend on the firmware
22:59.25sigNeonhttps://superuser.com/questions/852727/safe-to-manually-spin-down-hard-drive-with-hdparm
23:00.09sigNeonlooks like hd-idle is maybe what you're looking for
23:00.09bombI can assure you it's spinning for hours unmounted
23:00.32bombyeah, gotta do with hdparm/hdidle until KDE comes with a way :)
23:00.37SGOravasometimes it depends on power
23:01.03SGOravaif you for exAMPLE HAVE JUST A CASE FOR DISK WITH EXTERNAL POWERSOURCE IT COULD BE SPINNING FOREVER
23:01.39SGOravaat least one for me did that, sorry for caps
23:01.51bombI thought you're yelling at me :\
23:02.17bombKDE apparently takes control when it comes to external HDDs: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270808
23:04.02sigNeonSSD
23:04.09sigNeonSSD's are so cheap these days
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23:07.48jankusanagi_bomb: that bug was fixed...
23:07.50SGOravasigNeon: Super Sweet Dream
23:08.03sigNeonheh
23:10.11sigNeonthey have 1TB WD Black gaming SSD
23:10.20sigNeonfor 59 dollars here
23:10.37bomb$59 is my monthly income
23:10.43sigNeonhaha
23:10.46sigNeonwhere are you at?
23:11.00bombin a failing economy
23:11.25bombhdparm -Y /dev/blabla did the trick, by the way
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23:11.35sigNeonbomb: yeah hear ya
23:11.40sigNeonbomb: nice
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23:25.43bombsigNeon: oh -Y shuts down the driver entirely, while -y enters the standby mode
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23:26.24bombI know you don't need to worry about this archaic stuff, just wanted to let you know in case you'll help someone else in the future :)
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23:33.00sigNeonbomb: thanks, already know hdparm fairly well
23:34.39bombcool cool. I need to investigate the black smoke rising from my HDDs
23:35.28sigNeonlmao
23:36.28sigNeonthis lawyer that he's loosing his shit on from DC is a suspected child molester and Roger Stone straight blows that up at him in this deposition
23:36.52sigNeonLarry Klayman is his name
23:37.31SGOravaso, the sould of the HDD is gone, you are doomed
23:37.49sigNeondamn sorry wrong chann
23:39.16Guest4134I installed kdeneon on my system and its not booting
23:39.27Guest4134I did manual partitioning
23:40.03sigNeonthat might be your first investigation
23:40.29Guest4134Ya
23:40.39Guest4134what are the partition flags?
23:40.49Guest4134I set boot flag for the efi boot partition
23:42.49sigNeonare you on a linux system?
23:42.58Guest4134I would like to use the "Erase disk" option but I have 32 gb ram and the installer is allocating 33.4 gb of swap space which I don't want
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23:43.22sigNeonis that a liveCD?
23:43.30sigNeonyou could boot that up and use Gparted
23:43.37sigNeonhttps://www.linux.org/threads/gparted-partition-and-filesystem-flags.11640/
23:44.16Guest4134ya live cd
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23:58.09Guest4134those flags are not available with the calamaris installer
23:58.27Guest4134from googling I understand that those flags are combiled now
23:58.57Guest4134also articles suggest that the calamris installer is not mature
23:59.24Guest4134so I am going with "Erase entire disk" option
23:59.32Guest4134and then going to remove the swap later

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