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| 08:14.20 | mkoncek | would it be worthwhile to integrate Cadence into the KDE sound control menu? |
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| 08:58.39 | ugubok | I broke KDE composer somehow, transparency isn't working, but works in gnome3. How to debug that? |
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| 09:00.51 | ugubok | E.g. when I launch kitty, it says: Failed to enable transparency. This happens when your desktop environment does not support compositing. |
| 09:02.37 | ugubok | It happens after I'd play around X config trying to enable nvidia driver, but after that I rollback that |
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| 09:08.54 | ugubok | Well, nevermind. It turned out there is compositor config and it was disabled |
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| 13:02.20 | Ilgaz | Suse just shipped kde 5.20 it seems |
| 13:02.29 | Ilgaz | running tumbleweed |
| 13:05.08 | Dwarf | 4/65 |
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| 13:47.54 | HaJones | updates broke my screen half of my screen is black. what to do? |
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| 13:50.43 | jankusanagi_ | tried disabling compositing? |
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| 13:56.58 | HaJones | jankusanagi_how do I do that? sorry. a little new to this. |
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| 13:58.39 | jankusanagi_ | from Plasma's system settings, under the Compositor section |
| 13:58.48 | jankusanagi_ | or temporarily via alt+shift+F12 |
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| 14:01.54 | HaJones | jankusanagi_ it worked what was wrong? |
| 14:02.48 | Taoki | Anyone else missing the Slideshow wallpaper option since upgrading to Plasma 5.20? |
| 14:03.56 | HaJones | jankusanagi_ So should I permanently disable compositor? i.e. disable compositor on startup? |
| 14:04.28 | jankusanagi_ | well, that depends on whether re-enabling it now breaks the display again or not |
| 14:04.40 | jankusanagi_ | you could also just switch it to another OpenGL backend |
| 14:06.16 | jankusanagi_ | Taoki: I have it |
| 14:06.33 | Taoki | Might be related to https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/jaqlr8/upgraded_to_520_wallpaper_slideshow_option_missing |
| 14:06.44 | Taoki | openSUSE Tumbleweed BTW |
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| 14:06.57 | jankusanagi_ | not missing in Mageia |
| 14:07.28 | HaJones | I'm running OpenGL2.0 but can use 3.1 and xrender. I use Nvidia proprietary driver |
| 14:07.33 | HaJones | jankusanagi_, |
| 14:07.51 | HaJones | what do you suggest. I have tried to reboot multiple times. |
| 14:08.05 | Taoki | What do you think might be causing me to miss it? Other wallpaper plugins are there. |
| 14:08.05 | HaJones | problem is persistent |
| 14:08.08 | jankusanagi_ | well, what I suggested was trying |
| 14:08.16 | jankusanagi_ | thsi is the kind of thing that's trial and error |
| 14:08.20 | jankusanagi_ | I personally use Nouveau =) |
| 14:08.43 | jankusanagi_ | no idea Taoki, probably some plasma-wallpaper-**** package you're missing |
| 14:08.44 | Taoki | I have /usr/share/plasma/wallpapers/org.kde.slideshow so it should be there |
| 14:09.16 | HaJones | jankusanagi_ About Nouveau, do you think it works good? I have Nvidia 960 4Gb |
| 14:09.26 | jankusanagi_ | Taoki: are you sure you're seeing the whole drop-down list? do you see Haenau in the list? |
| 14:09.36 | jankusanagi_ | HaJones: I'm happy with it |
| 14:09.42 | Taoki | jankusanagi_: Yes, I see it. |
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| 14:11.21 | HaJones | jankusanagi_, Do you think Nvidia driver has something to do with my problems? |
| 14:11.38 | jankusanagi_ | could be, but no idea, I don't use it, ever |
| 14:12.22 | jankusanagi_ | it certainly doesn't use any of the standard underlying OpenGL stuff from the system, Mesa and such... |
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| 14:21.59 | HaJones | jankusanagi_, Will try to disable compositor and reboot. |
| 14:25.40 | Taoki | Also is anyone getting constant crashes for kactivitymanagerd? I keep getting one whenever I navigate in dolphin since the upgrade to Plasma 5.20. |
| 14:26.05 | jankusanagi_ | I am |
| 14:26.20 | jankusanagi_ | not that I notice, but they appear in the output of dmesg |
| 14:27.12 | Taoki | Okay, so it's not just me. Here they're reported in the system tray. |
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| 16:35.42 | ezakimak | plasma 5.20 broke emacs, now it fails to run, producing an error undefined color "WINDOW_FOREGROUND" |
| 16:35.58 | ezakimak | this is coming from /usr/share/kdisplay/app-defaults/Emacs.ad created by plasma-workspace |
| 16:36.27 | ezakimak | running xrdb /dev/null seems to get past the issue, but doesn't solve it--since emacs cannot be restored with the session |
| 16:37.47 | ezakimak | some are suggesting this is because the Emacs.ad isn't being run through the preprocessor correctly, but not sure who is supposed to do that or when |
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| 16:42.56 | Taoki | Yeah... Plasma 5.20 is awesome in terms of changes, but I'm surprised how many obvious bugs slipped through... |
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| 16:46.16 | ezakimak | I played with wayland. looks promising, but two big issues keep me from changing: 1 it loses the session--if you go back to non-wayland session your session is now gone. 2 - they changed all the mouse and keyboard shortcut behaviors! it's really wacky now. |
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| 16:47.16 | ezakimak | half the time I'd click somewhere and it would get stuck in some weird mode of moving/resizing a window, and you had to press 'esc' to cancel the mode. not intuitive at all, and not the default behavior that's been around for over a decade |
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| 16:50.58 | JanKusanagi | that sounds like a bug, not a "wayland mode" xD |
| 16:51.15 | JanKusanagi | window drag _can_ get stuck under X11, and that's a bug, obviously |
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| 16:59.48 | sigNeon | discover shows that I have 14 updates, all are themes of some sort, I click "update all" and it shows that they get updated and disapear but then if I open it again they show bakc up???? does this on two of my machines. |
| 17:00.56 | ezakimak | well, when middle click on the maximize button (to vertically maximize) does something entirely different, that's a change in default behavior |
| 17:01.46 | ezakimak | but I'm not surprised it still has bugs, it's still relatively new |
| 17:02.05 | sigNeon | Discover is even more buggy than before... |
| 17:03.10 | ezakimak | what is discover for? |
| 17:03.36 | sigNeon | gui updates/sources/app store, etc... |
| 17:03.48 | ezakimak | never used it before, i pulled it up and all it does is spin and say "still looking..." |
| 17:04.10 | sigNeon | yeah, honestly it is a pos |
| 17:04.18 | sigNeon | needs reworked completely |
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| 17:04.50 | ezakimak | must be broken atm |
| 17:04.54 | sigNeon | and if you want addons packages it just gives errors if you try to install anything |
| 17:04.59 | sigNeon | it's been broken |
| 17:05.02 | ezakimak | it shows installed wallpapers, but won't pull up anything else |
| 17:05.21 | ezakimak | not a problem since I've never heard of it before |
| 17:05.30 | sigNeon | lol |
| 17:06.05 | sigNeon | it's a feature that definately shouldn't be broke like this, it's like the bread and butter of plasma desktop for people using gui for updates/upgrades and installing software |
| 17:06.59 | ezakimak | who does that? this is linux |
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| 17:13.06 | dilynm | I'm having an issue with text - it doesn't display, at all |
| 17:13.32 | dilynm | It displays for st, but not konsole. There's nothing in any other app like systemsettings or the launcher either |
| 17:18.36 | sigNeon | JanKusanagi: by restarting plasma desktop, does that restart the Discover app? |
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| 17:18.55 | JanKusanagi | well, logging out should close that, yes |
| 17:19.06 | sigNeon | kquitapp5 plasmashell && kstart5 plasmashell ? |
| 17:19.15 | sigNeon | I'm trying not to log out atm |
| 17:19.16 | JanKusanagi | no, that's not restarting plasma desktop |
| 17:19.24 | JanKusanagi | that's just restarting the plasmashell process |
| 17:19.28 | JanKusanagi | so no, won't end Discover |
| 17:19.38 | sigNeon | if I could just restart Discover to see if it fixes it |
| 17:19.41 | sigNeon | hmm |
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| 17:19.48 | JanKusanagi | stopping plasmashell doesn't necessarily end any other program |
| 17:20.03 | sigNeon | I can only see that I can restart discover notifier |
| 17:20.09 | sigNeon | not the actual discover itself |
| 17:21.08 | JanKusanagi | ezakimak: just FYI, not everyone using Plasma Desktop uses an OS with a Linux kernel |
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| 17:33.53 | ezakimak | true, there is also kde on windows, and plasma mobile somewhere |
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| 17:35.04 | JanKusanagi | there's no Plasma Desktop on MSWindows AFAIK, I was thinking of BSD's, actually |
| 17:35.16 | sigNeon | there used to be for win at least |
| 17:35.27 | JanKusanagi | not _Plasma Desktop_ |
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| 17:35.47 | sigNeon | https://community.kde.org/Windows |
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| 17:35.59 | sigNeon | not sure how old this is |
| 17:36.21 | JanKusanagi | again, not Plasma |
| 17:36.35 | JanKusanagi | some programs by KDE, yes, the Plasma Desktop, no |
| 17:36.39 | sigNeon | yeah |
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| 17:42.53 | dilynm | Does anyone have any ideas on my font problem? |
| 17:43.20 | dilynm | Creating a symlink from /usr/lib/fonts to /usr/share/fonts doesn't solve it - does kde really only respect noto-fonts? |
| 17:44.00 | JanKusanagi | I haven't seen what your issue is, but Plasma Desktop has no issues using all kinds of fonts |
| 17:44.40 | dilynm | My issue is that no fonts are displayed in any KDE apps (systemsettings, konsole) but work fine elsewhere (st) |
| 17:45.08 | JanKusanagi | not displayed where? |
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| 17:45.25 | dilynm | Anywhere, in anything. Menus, popups, nothing |
| 17:45.30 | JanKusanagi | huh?? |
| 17:45.42 | dilynm | They don't appear in the screen locker, they don't appear in the application launcher |
| 17:46.39 | dilynm | There aren't any visible errors except when launching the app this command line, it indicates qtfontdatabase is searching /usr/lib/fonts and that qt does not provide fonts. Except I have three different fonts installed and they work just fine |
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| 19:04.56 | Bitterblue | dilynm: What about plain Qt apps? |
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| 19:37.31 | dilynm | Bitterblue: I'll check that out and see |
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| 20:43.10 | dilynm | Bitterblue: it also effects trimage, a Qt app |
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| 20:43.38 | dilynm | Which definitely shows it's a Qt issue, thank you; but im not Sure how that can be. Oh well, I can investigate that far more easily |
| 20:44.30 | Bitterblue | Maybe qtdiag can tell you something useful? |
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| 20:52.43 | dilynm | Hmmm |
| 20:53.05 | dilynm | It shows the correct fonts locations, but it persistently shows hack and noto-sans as the default fonts even without them installed |
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| 20:56.38 | dilynm | Guess I'll have to try qt5ct? |
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| 21:04.11 | dilynm | No of course it wouldn't be cli >.< |
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| 21:26.38 | sneezelieber | I have a X11 plasma session freezed. toolbar kinda works, but I can't type anything and all windows are unresponsive |
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| 21:27.48 | sneezelieber | I've tried doing export DISPLAY=:0; kwin_x11 --replace & and then plasmashell on a tty, with no results, the problem still persists |
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| 21:36.23 | JanKusanagi | what do you mean by "toolbar"? panels? |
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| 21:44.55 | sneezelieber | JanKusanagi: no I mean the toolbar with the start button |
| 21:45.01 | sneezelieber | can't remember how to call it |
| 21:45.06 | JanKusanagi | so a panel xD |
| 21:45.18 | JanKusanagi | that _is_ a panel, with whatever widgets you put on it |
| 21:45.48 | JanKusanagi | I'm assuming by "start button" you mean the application launcher, but you can put a lot of things in panels |
| 21:46.16 | JanKusanagi | so what does "kinda works" mean? |
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| 21:47.37 | sneezelieber | JanKusanagi: that I can open the application launcher but can't click on anything inside and icons in the panel react when I position the mouse above and that's all |
| 21:47.50 | sneezelieber | anything outside the bar it's like freezed |
| 21:48.25 | JanKusanagi | and can you use alt+tab to switch the program in front to something else? |
| 21:48.40 | sneezelieber | JanKusanagi: no |
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| 22:04.50 | sneezelieber | JanKusanagi: so? |
| 22:05.19 | JanKusanagi | can you launch a Konsole window from the tty? |
| 22:05.58 | sneezelieber | JanKusanagi: yes but I can't write anything inside |
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| 22:06.48 | JanKusanagi | sounds like something has captured your input, like what VM's are able to do |
| 22:07.20 | JanKusanagi | I guess you haven't been playing with Focus Stealing Prevention settings |
| 22:07.31 | sneezelieber | JanKusanagi: I used flatpak before |
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| 22:12.08 | sneezelieber | JanKusanagi: so how could I solve this issue? restarting kwin hasn't been useful |
| 22:13.31 | JanKusanagi | logging out I guess xD |
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| 22:14.00 | JanKusanagi | you could try killing kglobalaccel, just in case |
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| 22:16.55 | sneezelieber | JanKusanagi: would like to but how do I force kwin to log out |
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| 22:17.45 | JanKusanagi | KWin doesn't handle that |
| 22:17.53 | JanKusanagi | you can ask KSMserver via D-Bus |
| 22:18.00 | JanKusanagi | or kill KSMserver |
| 22:18.13 | JanKusanagi | not sure that works in latest versions |
| 22:24.39 | sneezelieber | JanKusanagi: killing ksmserver worked |
| 22:24.59 | sneezelieber | bye |
| 22:25.03 | JanKusanagi | o/ |
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| 23:18.53 | skierpage | With Plasma 5.18.5 KDE Frameworks 5.73.0 on Fedora 32, I'm trying to add an Epson printer. Add a printer wizard finds "EPSON WF-3540 Series (fully driverless)", and I figured out its ipp address from CUPS admin (localhost:631). But when I click Next, it wants me to "Pick a Driver" ?!? So what does "driverless" mean? |
| 23:19.48 | JanKusanagi | maybe the wizard doesn't have a concept of "driverless printer" |
| 23:20.01 | JanKusanagi | which is a little weird btw, I guess there's some kind of "generic driver" for those |
| 23:20.19 | JanKusanagi | but that's more of a question about CUPS |
| 23:20.28 | JanKusanagi | have you tried from the CUPS wizard via browser? |
| 23:24.26 | skierpage | JanKusanagi: thanks so much! Besdies a lot of drivers under "Epson" in the list and also under "EPSON" I found "WF-3540 Series, fully driverlss, cups-filters 1.28.2 (en)" which is what I want. You're right, "driverless" is in the printer string, not something KDE is offering. The possible KDE glitch is this matching driver didn't show under "Recommended Drivers" |
| 23:25.11 | skierpage | I'll repeat from CUPS and see if it connects the found "driverless" printer to this "driverless" driver ;-) |
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