| 00:00.12 | JanKusanagi | wow, that's great marketing... |
| 00:00.20 | JanKusanagi | too bad I'm such a loser... |
| 00:00.37 | sarnold | there there, it's okay JanKusanagi, you'll get used to it eventually |
| 00:00.53 | gordonfish | I'ma losa baby, so why doncha kill me |
| 00:01.03 | JanKusanagi | ð¢ ... ð |
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| 00:17.18 | konam | what's the name of the package that provides the "Fonts" entry for font configuration in the settings |
| 00:17.21 | konam | ? |
| 00:18.01 | konam | I upgraded my kde installation and it seems it kept an old "Fonts" configuration manager for some reason |
| 00:24.00 | JanKusanagi | names of packages are up to your distribution |
| 00:25.16 | konam | JanKusanagi: i'm on fedora. how can I find out? |
| 00:25.58 | konam | look at this: https://imgur.com/a/miKvJyc the first one is the one from my hdd installation, the second is from the one in a live cd of the same version (supposedly) |
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| 00:26.18 | konam | "vendor antialiasing" is what I need to make my desktop look good |
| 00:26.18 | JanKusanagi | I'd ask on Fedora's channels, but if you mean the fonts *settings* KCM in Plasma's system settings, not the font installer, I don't think that's a separate package, it's just part of plasma-desktop, plasma-workspace or one of those |
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| 00:26.39 | JanKusanagi | frakin' spammers... |
| 00:27.04 | konam | already asked in distro channel, thought it was a kde specific thing |
| 00:27.06 | konam | thanks |
| 00:27.28 | JanKusanagi | well, it's a Plasma thing, but whether your packages are updated or not, is up to your distribution |
| 00:27.52 | JanKusanagi | I'd say your version is simply older |
| 00:28.09 | JanKusanagi | hm... or newer |
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| 00:28.29 | JanKusanagi | I'm on Plasma 5.18.3, and my setting is just the "Enable" checkbox |
| 00:28.53 | konam | yes i mean the fonts "settings" |
| 00:28.57 | konam | in kcm |
| 00:29.12 | konam | ...weird |
| 00:29.50 | JanKusanagi | IIRC that was changed because the "Vendor default" was misleading and unclear |
| 00:29.51 | JanKusanagi | just a sec |
| 00:30.13 | JanKusanagi | yep https://pointieststick.com/2019/06/01/kde-usability-productivity-week-73/ |
| 00:30.16 | konam | on the live cd things look good (i just got a new monitor) but on my installation it looks awful and I can't make it look better. disabling antialiasing does exactly that and it looks awful, it's not "vendor default" as in the live cd |
| 00:30.48 | RingtailedFox | so i rebooted and now i have odd issues where most icons and graphics in Plasma don't show up.... it looks almost like a hybrid of iceWM and KDE.... |
| 00:30.58 | konam | JanKusanagi: so how can i get the equivalent of 'vendor default'? |
| 00:31.09 | RingtailedFox | Dolphin will show the file names, but with blank icons for files and folders... |
| 00:31.24 | JanKusanagi | no idea (see? "vendor default" didn't mean anything), but it's easy enough to test different variations |
| 00:32.57 | JanKusanagi | it's just a matter of playing with the sub-pixel rendering and hinting options... there aren't that many combinations |
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| 00:33.38 | JanKusanagi | and if you're on Plasma 5.18.x, they even have previews |
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| 00:34.02 | konam | the thing is, it seems to be doing more than that, because everything looks bloated and huge and even some small fonts not rendered correctly in some instances |
| 00:34.26 | konam | when I try the same settings as in the second pic |
| 00:34.37 | konam | first pic* |
| 00:36.17 | JanKusanagi | if things look "huge" you either have a different DPI setting, or are using general screen scaling |
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| 00:36.23 | JanKusanagi | (which is set somewhere else) |
| 00:36.44 | JanKusanagi | and that's not related to the antialiasing |
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| 00:45.57 | RingtailedFox | how do i fix my icon issue in KDE Plasma 5? |
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| 00:48.55 | JanKusanagi | have you tried with a new user? |
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| 00:50.23 | RingtailedFox | i only have user... i could try logging in as root and see if that fixes it |
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| 00:50.47 | RingtailedFox | i don't understand why this would happen |
| 00:51.13 | RingtailedFox | logging in as root |
| 00:51.22 | JanKusanagi | well, the point was to *create* a new user |
| 00:51.29 | JanKusanagi | logging in as root is just crazy |
| 00:51.31 | RingtailedFox | i'll do that |
| 00:52.02 | RingtailedFox | hrm, icon isseus in root too |
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| 00:53.25 | RingtailedFox | made user2 |
| 00:53.45 | RingtailedFox | logging in... |
| 00:55.26 | RingtailedFox | yeah, same icon issues |
| 00:55.42 | JanKusanagi | is it only the icons that's missing? |
| 00:55.46 | RingtailedFox | the menu has no icons, dolphin has no icons, the taskbar is missing the icons for firefox... |
| 00:56.09 | JanKusanagi | were you using the default iconset? |
| 00:56.35 | RingtailedFox | i never changed the cion set |
| 00:56.36 | RingtailedFox | *icon |
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| 00:57.08 | JanKusanagi | then maybe your breeze-icons package (Plasma's default) got uninstalled somehow |
| 00:57.12 | RingtailedFox | hrmmm |
| 00:57.15 | RingtailedFox | lemme try to re-install it |
| 00:57.30 | JanKusanagi | only you know what you've installed or uninstalled recently... |
| 00:57.34 | RingtailedFox | the fonts all look a bit weird too |
| 00:57.38 | RingtailedFox | i only updated my machine |
| 00:57.52 | JanKusanagi | """"only"""" =) |
| 00:58.08 | RingtailedFox | ? |
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| 00:58.40 | JanKusanagi | "updating your machine" could involve a lot of packages and a lot of changes, it's never "only" =) |
| 00:58.45 | RingtailedFox | nods |
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| 00:59.34 | RingtailedFox | lemme see what was installed or changed lately |
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| 01:04.04 | RingtailedFox | i don't know what's going on |
| 01:04.12 | RingtailedFox | logs aren't showing any changes to breeze-icons or oxygen icons |
| 01:06.13 | RingtailedFox | wait, icons are coming back now that i selected oxygen, then breeze in System Settings |
| 01:06.40 | JanKusanagi | ah, intelligent system, Oxygen rules =) |
| 01:06.48 | JanKusanagi | must have been a cache thing then |
| 01:06.50 | RingtailedFox | good thing i have it as a backup :) |
| 01:07.06 | konam | JanKusanagi: general screen? |
| 01:07.08 | RingtailedFox | yeah... LXDE rendered most icons just fine (seemed to not like the icon for lan messenger/lmc but ehh, can't win 'em all) |
| 01:07.21 | JanKusanagi | what? general screen? |
| 01:07.27 | RingtailedFox | okay. the icon sin the task bar re-loaded but the icons and graphics in the System Settings window are all vacant still |
| 01:07.30 | konam | JanKusanagi: yeah what is that? |
| 01:07.36 | JanKusanagi | ah, screen *scaling* |
| 01:07.39 | konam | not sure what you mean |
| 01:07.54 | konam | ah, where is that? I think I don't have any scaling going on |
| 01:07.58 | JanKusanagi | I mean Plasma has *screen scaling* settings |
| 01:08.13 | JanKusanagi | if everything is big, maybe you're using too much scaling |
| 01:08.15 | konam | if it's in display configuration I'm not scaling it |
| 01:08.23 | JanKusanagi | then maybe it's just your DPI |
| 01:08.39 | RingtailedFox | hrm, i think it is a caching issue |
| 01:08.48 | RingtailedFox | when i hover over Colours, it shows the colours icon and text |
| 01:08.49 | konam | if it's the one set in Fonts then I haven't set any dpi |
| 01:08.54 | RingtailedFox | this is just bizarere |
| 01:08.55 | RingtailedFox | *bizarre |
| 01:10.22 | konam | brb |
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| 01:16.26 | JanKusanagi | if changing icon themes and logging out is not enough, you can try removing ~/.cache/icon-cache.kcache and logging out |
| 01:17.22 | RingtailedFox | okay |
| 01:18.04 | RingtailedFox | logging out and back in |
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| 01:19.19 | RingtailedFox | whoa, KDE is doing something |
| 01:19.47 | JanKusanagi | yes, they're doing a lot every day =) |
| 01:19.59 | JanKusanagi | ah, you meant Plasma ð |
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| 01:21.53 | RingtailedFox | yeah |
| 01:22.01 | RingtailedFox | it said "Plasma, by KDE" when i was logging in |
| 01:22.08 | RingtailedFox | back to the fonts being all messed up and the cions missing for most things |
| 01:22.09 | RingtailedFox | sigh |
| 01:22.15 | RingtailedFox | it has to be a cache issue |
| 01:22.37 | RingtailedFox | mageia theme works fine |
| 01:22.43 | RingtailedFox | for the look and feel |
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| 01:25.24 | RingtailedFox | hrm, selecting Widget Style and Behaviour to fix the button shapes... nothing changes, whether i pick Fusion or Breeze or whatever |
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| 01:29.50 | RingtailedFox | i don't get it... the system won't show proper button shapes or fonts in any applications.. kwrite and dolphin refuse to render icons and system settings only renders icons when i clcik on something like Appearance > Colors or Workspace > Desktop Behaviour |
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| 01:39.24 | RingtailedFox | what would happen if i just deleted ~/.cache and rebooted? |
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| 01:42.34 | JanKusanagi | you could just rename it =) |
| 01:43.11 | RingtailedFox | delete .cache to .cache-corrupt? |
| 01:43.42 | RingtailedFox | done |
| 01:43.43 | RingtailedFox | rebooting |
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| 01:44.43 | JanKusanagi | ~/.cache holds caches for many things, not just for Plasma or programs by KDE |
| 01:45.07 | RingtailedFox | mkay |
| 01:45.20 | RingtailedFox | well, renamed ~/.cache to ~/.cache-corrupt |
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| 01:58.05 | RingtailedFox | nope, KDE's still fucked up |
| 01:58.08 | RingtailedFox | i have no idea why |
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| 01:59.35 | JanKusanagi | well, now that I've reviewed the backlog, you already made a "user2" and no luck, so it has to be deeper than a corrupted cache |
| 02:00.42 | RingtailedFox | i renamed .cache in /home/user/.cache to /home/user/.cache-corrupted |
| 02:00.51 | RingtailedFox | LXDE works fine though |
| 02:01.00 | RingtailedFox | not sure why KDE decided to shit itself |
| 02:01.52 | JanKusanagi | well, I doubt Plasma "decided" anything, some update might have broken something, or you could be only half-updated |
| 02:04.24 | RingtailedFox | my system installed some lib64qt stuff during the update |
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| 02:38.00 | KodiakIT-M1 | So I'm trying to get SDDM & Plasma set up on my new Pi4, but SDDM doesn't seem to load properly, and I don't see anything in ~log that would help me narrow down what the problem is. |
| 02:38.26 | KodiakIT-M1 | GDM works so it doesn't seem to be a general Xorg issue |
| 02:46.26 | JanKusanagi | might be an OpenGL issue |
| 02:53.22 | KodiakIT-M1 | I'd think that'd tank GDM too, no? |
| 02:56.50 | JanKusanagi | no idea |
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| 03:03.51 | KodiakIT | So, JanKusanagi, might've missed a reply from you, Riot started bugging out and I had to switch on over to Konversation |
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| 03:04.29 | JanKusanagi | ah, switchted to the better, mature option =) |
| 03:05.23 | KodiakIT | Well, Matrix/Riot does have bouncer-esque functionality built in so I tend to like it better, but you're right Konversation is definitely more stable & mature |
| 03:05.30 | JanKusanagi | after you asked if GDM would break if you had OpenGL issues I just said "no idea" |
| 03:06.41 | KodiakIT | Also, looks like plasma is loading OK enough, I was able to log into a session using it with GDM |
| 03:09.15 | RingtailedFox | i wonder if qml is screewing up |
| 03:09.16 | RingtailedFox | https://pastebin.com/paE05ugD |
| 03:10.27 | RingtailedFox | after that there's kjust a ton of QXcbConnection: XCB error: 2 (BadValue) errors |
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| 03:12.33 | KodiakIT | Also, transparency seems to be working in plasma, so I think that would effectively rule out an OpenGL issue, AFAIK, JanKusanagi? |
| 03:13.28 | JanKusanagi | yes, if desktop effects work ok under Plasma, I guess SDDM's issue is something else |
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| 03:21.47 | KodiakIT | Hmm weird. Normally after stopping the service I'm able to get back to the tty, but I seem now to be stuck at a blank black screen with a blinking underscore cursor in the top left (as shows after systemctl start sddm) |
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| 03:22.19 | KodiakIT | systemctl restart getty.target fixes it, but haven't had that happen before |
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| 05:48.10 | valorie | jed852-M: you've have best luck during euro-working hours |
| 05:48.41 | valorie | in KDE irc/matrix/telegram chats |
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| 05:54.05 | M_aD | jed852-M: also, don't ask to ask... just ask your question qnd wait for response |
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| 08:21.10 | madprops | is it possible to make Dolphin not contract the breadcrumb when the path is in the bookmarks? Like don't turn Home -> Me -> Pictures into just Pictures ? |
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| 10:35.50 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 10:45.45 | xyquadrat-M | madprops: Right click the nav bar -> "Show full path" |
| 10:46.29 | madprops | xyquadrat-M, nice, unfortunately it doesn't stick when reopening dolphin |
| 10:47.10 | xyquadrat-M | madprops: Hmm, works fine after reopening here |
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| 10:48.45 | alexkde | Do you know a good plasmoid equalizer for PulseAudio? I look for something similar to PulseEffects, but this is a GTK+ app. |
| 10:50.48 | alexkde | The "Add new widget by download" window finds nothing for the search term "equalizer". |
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| 14:02.40 | magic_ninja_work | whoops |
| 14:03.05 | svuorela | is it possible to unify two screens into one "virtual screen" ? |
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| 14:11.44 | magic_ninja_work | svuorela, do you mean monitor? |
| 14:11.54 | magic_ninja_work | or do you mean x screens? |
| 14:12.44 | magic_ninja_work | applications menu --> system settings --> display configuration has some settings you can play with. |
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| 15:03.59 | alexkde | I use Konversation for the IRC chat. How can I redirect hide all leave/join messages, which clutter the chat? I already set "Redirect status messages to the server status window", but that doesn't seem to have an effect on the leave/join messages. |
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| 15:05.41 | JanKusanagi | there's a specific option for that |
| 15:06.02 | JanKusanagi | under BehaviorâChat Window |
| 15:06.06 | alexkde | It seems "Hide Join/Part/Nick events" seems to be the right option. |
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| 15:06.13 | JanKusanagi | with a great option for exceptions |
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| 15:06.57 | alexkde | Thanks. |
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| 15:49.21 | svuorela | magic_ninja_work: I couldn't find th erelevant settings to make two monitors in a 3 screen setup behave as one (so maximizing spans both) |
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| 15:52.10 | magic_ninja_work | You might have to run two separate x screens to do that, and assign one screen to the 3rd monitor with the first two sharing a screen. |
| 15:52.32 | magic_ninja_work | I'm not sure, though. Perhaps someone here can help set it up. |
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| 16:38.13 | oneforall2 | Could not open kded5 using a library: Cannot load library libkdeinit5_kded5: (libkdeinit5_kded5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) bad compile of kded ? |
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| 16:38.31 | oneforall2 | kded-5.68.0 |
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| 21:15.59 | King_DuckZ | hi, I'm trying KBackup and I'd like to include my emails in my backup, anyone knows what I should select for KMail? possibly, identity and server settings too |
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| 21:23.02 | JanKusanagi | probably kmail and akonadi-related folders under ~/.local/ |
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| 21:25.48 | King_DuckZ | akonadi? because this -> .local/share/akonadi/file_db_data is 2.1GiB |
| 21:26.10 | King_DuckZ | just to make sure since it's fairly big |
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| 21:29.44 | King_DuckZ | what about ~/.config/akonadi? |
| 21:30.26 | JanKusanagi | sorry, I have no idea what parts are mail storage and what parts are caches and whatnot |
| 21:30.38 | King_DuckZ | ok |
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| 21:44.07 | thiago | ~/.cpnfig is configuration |
| 21:44.07 | apt | thiago: okay |
| 21:44.15 | thiago | mail is kept in ~/.local/share/akonadi |
| 21:52.11 | King_DuckZ | thiago: ok thanks, so if I select both I should be good, yes? |
| 21:52.28 | King_DuckZ | email account configs + email messages |
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| 21:53.54 | thiago | backing up the Akonadi database is not a good idea |
| 21:54.01 | thiago | don't you have an IMAP server? |
| 21:54.49 | thiago | the DB is supposed to be a cache of what you have in your IMAP server |
| 21:54.59 | thiago | POP3 servers aren't common these days |
| 21:55.07 | thiago | but yes, it will work |
| 21:55.12 | kostasdritsas-M | Just joined myself to see if working. Are y seeing my message? |
| 21:55.30 | JanKusanagi | no, we are not =) |
| 21:55.57 | mkrutov-M | kostasdritsas: yep |
| 21:56.11 | mkrutov-M | what ^ that guy said |
| 21:56.28 | mkrutov-M | i apologise for my initial lie in the question of me seeing kostas's message. |
| 21:56.52 | JanKusanagi | who's message? =) |
| 21:57.03 | mkrutov-M | i don't know |
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