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| 03:45.16 | madprops | i don't know how to explain this, but Dr. Konqi just died http://i.imgur.com/iPrMHbe.png |
| 03:45.38 | madprops | i mean KCD |
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| 06:12.10 | AndyAndyBoBandy | Have there been any projects aiming to do for tooltips something akin to the global application menu? Would creating a plasmoid that captures content of tooltips (Qt, at least) be feasible with existing library features? |
| 06:16.22 | JanKusanagi | O_o |
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| 11:45.42 | goodger | I have a much worse one, but not that one, sorry |
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| 12:19.49 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 14:08.03 | w6equj5 | Hi all. The "Media Player" entry has disappeared from my system tray, both the quick access and the full list. What command can I use to relaunch it? |
| 14:08.18 | w6equj5 | (using latest Plasma) |
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| 14:17.02 | Thomas-M3 | <w6equj5 "Hi all. The "Media Player" entry"> Not sure which media player you are using but mine launches happily via krunner (Alt-Shift) typing in "media" |
| 14:22.03 | jankusanagi_ | well, first, is it set to "show when relevant" in the system tray settings? |
| 14:22.43 | jankusanagi_ | and second, that's only present if there's an active MPRIS interface... maybe what you're using for media playback has disabled its MPRIS interface |
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| 15:10.38 | w6equj5 | @JanKusanagi Thanks, I think that's it indeed. Media Player still works with Chromium or VLC but not with Cantata anymore. |
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| 16:25.42 | mzajc | I've just updated from Plasma 5.14 to 5.17 on my Debian bullseye and I'm hitting some problems. Whenever I open "Desktop Effects" in system settings, it shows a blank screen and outputs "Error loading the module "kcm_kwin_effects" : invalid KPackage" to the console. |
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| 16:30.19 | JanKusanagi | you should probably talk to Debian |
| 16:30.30 | JanKusanagi | sounds like some packaging thing on their part |
| 16:30.48 | JanKusanagi | they moved that recently from Experimental, maybe you don't have all the packages yet |
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| 16:33.44 | mzajc | That's what I hope too |
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| 18:30.21 | Thomas-M3 | Are there any baloo experts in this room? I am completely confused by the settings. |
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| 18:31.16 | JanKusanagi | if you ask for "experts", I doubt many people will say "me" xD |
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| 18:42.01 | jacky | lol |
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| 18:44.23 | SGOrava | the most common solution is to disable it |
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| 18:49.02 | Thomas-M3 | sent a long message: < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/r0/download/kde.org/zrRNeUyabMwINLhxfJBSlJLU > |
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| 18:50.20 | Thomas-M3 | <SGOrava "the most common solution is to d"> I was considering this because I lost trust in it, but then I really like the krunner integration where it quickly pulls out the documents I want. But what makes me nervous is that I don't seem to be able to tell it where to search and where not. |
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| 18:51.39 | mzajc | Thomas-M3: balooctl config add excludeFolders <your folder> ? |
| 18:52.04 | Thomas-M3 | sent a long message: < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/r0/download/kde.org/ZXWwjPyMuxAOULSbSEeTfxGQ > |
| 18:52.25 | mzajc | there's also excludeMimetypes and excludeFilters |
| 18:55.08 | Thomas-M3 | <mzajc "Thomas: balooctl config add excl"> Will work and add it to baloofilerc, but in the case of my Win10 partition the setting is ignored. |
| 18:55.24 | Thomas-M3 | sent a long message: < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/r0/download/kde.org/EBMnFTPbQxIdhDWfasSxuboq > |
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| 18:57.09 | Thomas-M3 | The more I think about this the more I belive this is a bug, |
| 18:57.21 | Thomas-M3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.11 | mzajc | are you sure you don't have it in includeFolders or something? I don't think baloo indexes stuff outside of that |
| 18:58.30 | Thomas-M3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:59.03 | mzajc | never used the UI for baloo, didn't even know it had one apart from the progress bar in kinfocenter |
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| 19:00.11 | Thomas-M3 | <mzajc "are you sure you don't have it i"> My config file hasn't got an include section, I assumed the second line in my grep is the include "folders[$e]=$HOME/,/media/homeserver/raid/@data/" |
| 19:01.32 | Thomas-M3 | There is $HOME, which seems to work, and /media/homeserver/... which doesn't work, but that is because this is a network drive and hence not working by design. |
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| 19:01.56 | mzajc | what do you get when you do balooctl config list includeFolders |
| 19:01.59 | spaaacesenate-M | I notice you're grepping out just the folder part. Have you looked at the entire file at all? |
| 19:02.13 | Thomas-M3 | <mzajc "never used the UI for baloo, did"> The UI I mean is the search applet in system settings. |
| 19:02.18 | spaaacesenate-M | Maybe there's a formatting error of some kind preventing the folder directives from being parsed? |
| 19:03.46 | mzajc | just tested it and it seems to work just fine |
| 19:03.52 | mzajc | the search applet, that is |
| 19:03.54 | Thomas-M3 | <mzajc "what do you get when you do balo"> Good question, this works for includeFolders but not for excludes: |
| 19:04.21 | mzajc | define doesn't work |
| 19:04.35 | mzajc | does it not output anything? |
| 19:07.36 | Thomas-M3 | <mzajc "define doesn't work"> In the case of exclude folders "doesn't work" means I excluded but the folder still get's added to the index = /media/Win10 as per balooctl, and the system settings applet showing yet another drive to be excluded which is nevertheless indexed |
| 19:09.24 | mzajc | does pruning the index cause it to get reindexed nevertheless? |
| 19:10.01 | Thomas-M3 | Focusing on exlcudes for a moment, I have two locations to configure baloo, and they don't match. And the resulting index doesn't reflect either one of the settings. |
| 19:10.01 | Thomas-M3 | The UI excludes /media/data, but I find files in that folder with baloosearch |
| 19:10.01 | Thomas-M3 | Balooctl excludes /media/Win10, but I find files in that folder with baloosearch. |
| 19:10.33 | Thomas-M3 | I started all over a few times because I couldn't explain what was happening. |
| 19:13.29 | Thomas-M3 | Here's a screenshot to illustrate: https://i.imgur.com/bnjTOrZ.png |
| 19:14.55 | mzajc | I'm pretty sure the UI will show devices not in the includeFolders lists as excluded |
| 19:17.23 | mzajc | however I've never written to baloofilerc directly so I can not speak for that part |
| 19:20.00 | mzajc | and again, have you tried rebuilding the index? those /media/Win10 entries could be from the time they weren't excluded so I suggest you make sure that folder is excluded in balooctl (don't bother with the config file or the UI) and then rebuild the index |
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| 19:34.42 | Thomas-M3 | <mzajc "and again, have you tried rebuil"> I did rebuild the index multiple times. But will try it again. Maybe I delete balooctl all together before I start again, just to make sure there are no typos. |
| 19:39.25 | Thomas-M3 | By the way, is there a way to check what's in the index? Other than randomly searching for files with baloosearch and see if they pop up or not? |
| 19:42.17 | mzajc | I don't think so |
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| 19:53.45 | papu | :) |
| 19:54.01 | tigran08 | Hey! |
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| 19:56.41 | jankusanagi_ | o/ |
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| 20:14.54 | feep | hey, you know what would be cool |
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| 20:15.02 | makr8100 | ice |
| 20:15.16 | feep | if you clicked a file in the embedded konsole in kdevelop and it actually opened in kdevelop, instead of a random kate |
| 20:15.59 | feep | with that in mind, how does the embedding actually work? can kdevelop call arbitrary methods in the konsolepart, like is it like a c++ rpc thing, or is it limited to dbus? |
| 20:16.09 | SGOrava | feep: there are "special" command for that in Kdevelop integrated Konsole |
| 20:16.23 | SGOrava | for more details run: help! |
| 20:16.38 | feep | SGOrava: oh so I have to create a profile with changed file associations that invoke those commands? |
| 20:17.34 | feep | hm, not sure that's actually possible |
| 20:17.55 | feep | SGOrava: it's like, I get how it could work, but it seems to be missing a critical part, which is "make ctrl-click on a file actually trigger open!" |
| 20:18.00 | SGOrava | I thought you want to be able to open files in KDevelop from KDevelop integrated konsole |
| 20:18.14 | feep | yes, by ctrl-clicking on them using konsole's file highlighting, like in vscode |
| 20:18.39 | feep | has an open bug to make file highlighting work with files in subfolders |
| 20:18.57 | feep | when that's in, we'll just need to extend the file matcher to include line numbers and we'll have feature parity |
| 20:19.52 | feep | SGOrava: the problem is konsole doesn't seem to have a way for kdevelop to redirect the click handler to its own alias |
| 20:20.14 | feep | it just always does xdg-open or w/e |
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| 20:20.30 | SGOrava | OK, so there is a functionality to tell kdevelop what to do, now make Konsole work as you wish |
| 20:20.37 | feep | right, exactly |
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| 20:20.51 | feep | konsole is definitely the weak one here |
| 20:21.07 | feep | idk, I might poke at it over the summer, I just wanted to raise the idea in case someone here was bored rn :D |
| 20:21.13 | SGOrava | it depends on how you look at it, but yes, konsole is weak in many areas |
| 20:21.36 | feep | I mean, don't get me wrong, konsole is the best terminal emulator I know |
| 20:21.47 | SGOrava | it is best to submit a report so people can see it |
| 20:22.06 | feep | not much point as long as https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=416376 is open |
| 20:22.36 | feep | you can see me already angling for the next part in there :) |
| 20:22.37 | SGOrava | "don't get me wrong", it was my opinion on Konsole |
| 20:22.54 | feep | right, I'm just clarifying I'm not sh*tting on konsole |
| 20:23.08 | SGOrava | create another one, say it depends on this, it can motivate people to do it |
| 20:23.15 | feep | Ooh, good idea. |
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| 20:27.57 | feep | SGOrava: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=417950 filed, thanks |
| 20:29.31 | feep | anyway, guess I'll give it another month or two |
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| 21:12.29 | Neville | Not sure on the difference between KDE Plasma between Jessie and Buster. But I am testing a new Buster installation and my KDE desktop does not co-exist with my KDE desktop on Jessie. In other words, my network mainly has Jessie installations; my Buster desktop disappears (aka does not show applications) when I login into another machine with KDE Plasma on Jessie. |
| 21:16.35 | jankusanagi_ | huh? |
| 21:17.26 | Neville | The only workaround is to delete ~/.config |
| 21:17.33 | jankusanagi_ | well, Debian Jessie has Plasma 4.11.13, while Debian Buster has Plasma 5.14.5... they're vastly different desktop environments |
| 21:17.40 | jankusanagi_ | DON'T delete .config! |
| 21:18.53 | jankusanagi_ | ~/.config/ holds configuration files for a lot of software, not just for the Plasma desktop |
| 21:21.07 | Neville | How do I get Plasma 4 and Plasma 5 to coexist? |
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| 21:24.32 | jankusanagi_ | that's a weird situation... |
| 21:25.09 | chrish_ | Hello....after an update on my system to plasma 5.18.1 i lost the plasmoid button on the right top corner....how could i get it back ? or there is not way to get it back ? |
| 21:26.19 | jankusanagi_ | the "desktop toolbox", was called |
| 21:26.23 | jankusanagi_ | and no, that's no longer a thing |
| 21:26.32 | chrish_ | that's pitty :( |
| 21:26.45 | jankusanagi_ | apparently many people hated it |
| 21:27.02 | jankusanagi_ | any particular reason why you want it back? |
| 21:27.24 | chrish_ | i loved it |
| 21:29.21 | chrish_ | didn't you ? |
| 21:30.22 | jankusanagi_ | well, I didn't hate it like many did |
| 21:30.33 | jankusanagi_ | but I wouldn't go as far as "loving it" xD |
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| 21:39.20 | jacky | this is when having surveys from the community would help :) |
| 21:39.29 | jacky | like actual factual ones |
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| 21:39.34 | jacky | versus ticket volume |
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| 21:46.30 | jankusanagi_ | no need to say it, but people who hate $THING are usually much more vocal (and loud) than people who love $THING =) |
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| 21:56.22 | jacky | jankusanagi_: that's _very_ true |
| 21:56.26 | jacky | people are too busy enjoying $THING |
| 21:56.33 | jacky | but it does help to have information about that! people praise when $THING gets updated in a way that helps them |
| 21:56.57 | jankusanagi_ | sure, but apparently love is not as good a motivator as hate |
| 21:57.09 | jankusanagi_ | which explains many things in the history of this planet =) |
| 21:58.21 | chrish_ | ok this is going so philosophical and super early in the morning here :0 |
| 21:59.14 | troffasky | i just clicked my "desktop toolbox" and it worked exactly once |
| 21:59.49 | chrish_ | how come and you still have it ? |
| 22:00.32 | troffasky | i guess i'm on an older version |
| 22:00.44 | troffasky | not sure why subsequent clicks on it don't do anything |
| 22:01.19 | troffasky | i don't think i've clicked on it intentionally very often - perhaps once before today |
| 22:03.03 | jankusanagi_ | I think I remember some old version of Plasma where this happened, but it was fixed soon with the next .x release |
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| 22:04.37 | chrish_ | one use that i had with the desktop toolbox was to use the "leave" option or to change activities |
| 22:04.45 | chrish_ | and that was often |
| 22:05.48 | chrish_ | i know that there are pleanty of alternatives but that was my main preference |
| 22:06.07 | chrish_ | saying this I can't complain |
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| 22:18.29 | jankusanagi_ | if you use the "classic" application menu, you can easily set any of the "leave" options to be handy on the side bar of the menu |
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| 22:20.48 | jankusanagi_ | and with the "lock/logout" plasmoid you can probably be happy |
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| 22:39.41 | chrish_ | oh yea i know and I am happy as it is but as I said my preference was the desktop toolbox...:) I have being using KDE since it was 2.x . I have seen many features being taking away... trust me |
| 22:52.07 | jankusanagi_ | well, "taken away" is not quite the right term =) |
| 22:53.48 | chrish_ | lol ok how about "violently butchered" |
| 22:57.36 | jankusanagi_ | much worse xD |
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