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| 06:09.44 | Intelo | Hi |
| 06:10.08 | Intelo | Is there a way to install kde UI on a different computer and backend/server on a different computer and then make the communicate over LAN? |
| 06:13.47 | clarjon1 | Intelo: so like a thinclient |
| 06:14.04 | Intelo | clarjon1, yes |
| 06:14.25 | Intelo | clarjon1, but UI will NOT be installed on server |
| 06:14.27 | clarjon1 | if you're using X |
| 06:14.29 | clarjon1 | eh |
| 06:14.55 | clarjon1 | no clue then |
| 06:15.03 | clarjon1 | that sounds incredibly difficult to setup |
| 06:15.32 | Intelo | clarjon1, can you elaborate X and thinclient thing? |
| 06:15.37 | clarjon1 | well |
| 06:15.41 | clarjon1 | the UI stuff would be on the server |
| 06:15.52 | clarjon1 | xorg essentially 'streams' the desktop to the end user |
| 06:16.14 | clarjon1 | i'm a bit rusty cuz i last played with this well over 10 years ago |
| 06:16.36 | clarjon1 | but i had on my home network a little thinclient setup going on that my family members could use |
| 06:16.41 | Intelo | clarjon1, ok and the user will also need to have the UI installed? So same OS and same version of desktop on both server and client needs to be installed? |
| 06:16.45 | Red_M | Intelo: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12755/how-to-forward-x-over-ssh-to-run-graphics-applications-remotely |
| 06:16.47 | clarjon1 | nah |
| 06:17.09 | clarjon1 | all they need is the X server/client doodad |
| 06:17.14 | clarjon1 | the KDE software stays on the server |
| 06:17.17 | Red_M | You do not need X installed on the REMOTE system |
| 06:17.17 | clarjon1 | the UI gets forwarded |
| 06:17.17 | Intelo | doodad? |
| 06:17.26 | Intelo | clarjon1, are you saing vnc? |
| 06:17.31 | clarjon1 | Intelo: placeholder word for terminology my tired brain can't drudge up |
| 06:17.38 | Red_M | You must have Xorg installed on the LOCAL system |
| 06:17.42 | Intelo | Red_M, ok |
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| 06:18.25 | Intelo | Red_M, but I wonder, if user opens firefox, it needs to be installed on server and client. |
| 06:18.31 | Intelo | clarjon1, or no? |
| 06:18.33 | Red_M | Nope |
| 06:18.44 | Intelo | Red_M, then how will user start firefox? |
| 06:18.48 | Red_M | If you're running FF on the server, you can view it over X |
| 06:18.48 | Red_M | SSH |
| 06:18.51 | valorie | I'll bet it's slow though |
| 06:18.55 | Red_M | This is all done via SSH |
| 06:19.00 | clarjon1 | depends on your setup |
| 06:19.04 | Red_M | valorie: This depends on link speed |
| 06:19.06 | clarjon1 | on the network |
| 06:19.09 | Intelo | hm |
| 06:19.09 | clarjon1 | and the power of the server |
| 06:19.15 | Red_M | no |
| 06:19.18 | Red_M | Not the server |
| 06:19.30 | Red_M | power of the local system |
| 06:19.35 | Red_M | since its all rendered on the local system |
| 06:19.46 | Red_M | only need a semi fast disk on the server |
| 06:19.46 | clarjon1 | blinks |
| 06:19.51 | clarjon1 | ok, interesting |
| 06:19.58 | Red_M | since all the resources are loaded from the server |
| 06:20.05 | Intelo | but the processing will be done at server? |
| 06:20.06 | Red_M | eg, mouse cursor and icons |
| 06:20.08 | Red_M | yes |
| 06:20.19 | Red_M | all the execution of the program is on the remote system |
| 06:20.26 | Intelo | ok, what exact step will user have to do to open ff? |
| 06:20.31 | Red_M | BUT the GUI is rendered locally |
| 06:20.37 | Red_M | run ice-weasel |
| 06:20.51 | Red_M | you literally just execute the program on the command line |
| 06:21.07 | Intelo | Red_M, and most important question is that how much load can the server tolerate. how many users simultaneously with a 1 g ram |
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| 06:21.30 | Red_M | this depends on what program you're running :) |
| 06:21.39 | Intelo | Red_M, oh. What if I want to execute a custom program like intelijj idea which is a ./idea.sh |
| 06:21.46 | Red_M | AKA, you'll need to benchmark it yourself |
| 06:21.57 | Intelo | Red_M, program: FF, idea, postgres |
| 06:22.09 | Red_M | I do not work for free :) |
| 06:22.20 | Intelo | Red_M, just getting rough idea |
| 06:22.23 | Red_M | You can benchmark it yourself |
| 06:22.41 | Intelo | I was thinking on why to do it in the first place |
| 06:22.45 | Intelo | What will I save |
| 06:22.58 | Red_M | with ANY program on linux, unless it is running via wayland, it will REQUIRE an X display |
| 06:23.06 | Red_M | and thus can be forwarded over SSH :) |
| 06:23.24 | Red_M | Why are you trying to do this? |
| 06:23.30 | Intelo | So I will put idea.sh on server and with ssh, user will connect and run command |
| 06:23.39 | Red_M | yeap |
| 06:23.40 | Intelo | Red_M, thats what I was figuring out |
| 06:23.46 | Intelo | why should I do this |
| 06:23.49 | Intelo | whats the use case |
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| 06:23.53 | Intelo | why people usually do this |
| 06:23.56 | Intelo | to save resources? |
| 06:24.02 | Intelo | or what |
| 06:24.02 | Red_M | People do not normally do this |
| 06:24.10 | Intelo | ok, when do they do |
| 06:24.43 | Red_M | When they need to, eg, bypassing network issues or for when they need to use an X only program on a headless system |
| 06:25.00 | Red_M | Generally the latter |
| 06:25.41 | Red_M | X forwarding is not enjoyable, not any fault of the method itself but the speed and latency of the network between the 2 systems |
| 06:25.54 | Intelo | 'x only progam on a headless system'. Hows that even possible? What do you mean |
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| 06:26.25 | Red_M | DEs are kind of a lie, EVERY program is executed as a command with access to the local X display. |
| 06:26.35 | Red_M | even the ones you run via KDE or GNOME |
| 06:26.46 | Intelo | Red_M, important question. I just need xorg on server or xorg + kde as well ? and will any kind of UI be actually running on server? |
| 06:27.04 | Red_M | its all just command line arguments being fed to a command line with a binary name in the $PATH |
| 06:27.19 | Red_M | Nothing on the server, just the programs you want to run |
| 06:27.22 | Intelo | If no Ui will be running on server (just the xorg files present), then server does not needs any resources. Just network and disk as you said |
| 06:27.40 | Red_M | xorg and KDE (or other DE here, or no DE) need to be on the local machine |
| 06:28.26 | Red_M | Just so long as Xorg is installed and running and you're asking SSH to forward your local X display to the remote system |
| 06:28.42 | Red_M | (and the remote system allows X forwarding) |
| 06:28.49 | Intelo | so FF needs to be installed on server.. right |
| 06:28.54 | Red_M | Yeap |
| 06:29.00 | Red_M | it still runs on the remote system |
| 06:29.21 | Intelo | so the server will be a loggedin user in X/KDE |
| 06:29.25 | Red_M | You're just asking it to use the Xorg $DISPLAY on your local machine |
| 06:29.41 | Intelo | so a UI will be running on server. A desktop version. Not a server version |
| 06:29.45 | Red_M | No, all the authentication on the remote system is done via SSH |
| 06:29.55 | Red_M | No |
| 06:30.01 | Intelo | hm |
| 06:30.16 | Red_M | The remote system can (and is normally) headless |
| 06:30.21 | Red_M | *can be |
| 06:30.30 | Intelo | Ok |
| 06:30.33 | Red_M | You ONLY need Xorg locally |
| 06:30.47 | Red_M | the remote system needs FF installed |
| 06:30.52 | Intelo | Xorg is not KDE or GNome/ |
| 06:30.56 | Red_M | No |
| 06:31.24 | Intelo | I can run ubuntu with only xorg? |
| 06:31.42 | Intelo | I wonder what would it look like? No desktop/taskbar etc |
| 06:31.47 | Intelo | right? |
| 06:31.54 | Intelo | xorg is used in all linux OS? |
| 06:31.57 | Intelo | This is not thin client model. Right? |
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| 06:39.57 | Intelo | Red_M, thanks! |
| 06:43.11 | Intelo | There are no independate running UI like a webpage? |
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| 09:57.07 | troffasky | should Konversation identify itself before joining channels, or am i being naive? |
| 09:59.36 | rindolf | troffasky: hi |
| 09:59.43 | rindolf | troffasky: it should |
| 10:00.57 | troffasky | it never does, afaict |
| 10:01.13 | rindolf | troffasky: ah |
| 10:01.37 | troffasky | I always get "[Channel] Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services - see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration" several times when it connects |
| 10:01.54 | troffasky | xchat used to do this as well which is why i was wondering if it's an IRC "feature" |
| 10:04.06 | rindolf | troffasky: hexchat works fine here with SASL |
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| 11:02.03 | n4mu | Another thing I just noticed. I've recently started using Korganizer, it's nice BUT, the reminders do not respect Focus Stealing prevention settings. Is this a known thing, is there a workaround? |
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| 11:29.41 | weedmic | I am trying to find LCARS theme for KDE. I found this https://store.kde.org/p/1006793/ - says "This theme requires LCARS-Desktop-GTK to be installed" - isn't that gnome? |
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| 11:32.07 | troffasky | i assume it's to add theming to GTK apps |
| 11:35.02 | weedmic | to kde? |
| 11:36.08 | weedmic | ok, i see how the site works now - there is an icon for download to the right - may try it |
| 11:36.27 | troffasky | if you want the same theme in Qt and GTK apps |
| 11:38.26 | weedmic | ty |
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| 11:41.13 | weedmic | says - *Needs pling-store or ocs-url to install things - which is better? |
| 11:43.02 | weedmic | neither were in software -manager for mint |
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| 11:54.07 | weedmic | i found the py file, did not work with either py2 nor py3 - it must be too old to use |
| 11:54.11 | weedmic | nvm then |
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| 12:29.45 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 12:34.50 | rindolf | BluesKaj: guten tag |
| 12:34.57 | rindolf | BluesKaj: sup? |
| 12:36.01 | BluesKaj | good day rindolf, just morning coffee atm, you? |
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| 12:37.53 | rindolf | BluesKaj: been working on https://github.com/shlomif/euler685-python3-solution-high-ram-consumption |
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| 16:26.35 | weedmic | This is my inxi -F (https://pastebin.com/ttBZbZF2). It has rebooted 20 times and locked up 3 times. I have eliminated hardware as when it runs on kali, it works fine. I believe the problem to be software. I have seen a few errors about "baloo" which is plasma. Is there some "repair" command I can run where KDE checks itself for errors and repairs them? |
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| 16:28.32 | jankusanagi_ | you could disable Baloo xD |
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| 16:29.35 | weedmic | what is baloo and what happens if it is disabled? |
| 16:31.02 | jankusanagi_ | it's the component responsible for file indexing |
| 16:31.14 | jankusanagi_ | depending on your use, you might not need it at all (I don't) |
| 16:31.47 | jankusanagi_ | you can disable that from Plasma's system settings |
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| 16:36.54 | weedmic | would locate still work if it were disabled? that's how i index and find files (in terminal) |
| 16:37.49 | BluesKaj | locate works without baloo, yes |
| 16:37.58 | asturm | there's also kio-locate |
| 16:38.27 | weedmic | done - need I logout login to get it to stop after un "x" it in system settings? |
| 16:39.07 | jankusanagi_ | you can use balooctl if you want |
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| 18:46.59 | forza4_2 | Hello, how are you? |
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| 18:56.43 | xyquadrat-M | forza4_2: I'm quite fine, and you? |
| 18:57.06 | JanKusanagi | o/ |
| 18:58.34 | forza4_2 | xyquadrat-M, I'm quite fine too. I am interested about to know about how goes KDE Plasma 5.18, but I guess is better to investigate in userbase, forum, kde website or another like that, right? |
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| 18:59.06 | forza4_2 | (I guess it's better*) |
| 18:59.32 | JanKusanagi | "how goes Plasma 5.18"? in what sense? |
| 18:59.37 | JanKusanagi | you can read about the beta |
| 18:59.40 | xyquadrat-M | Hmm, that depends on what exactly you mean by "how goes KDE Plasma 5.18". Do you want to know which new features will be included? Or would you like to get help with installing KDE Plasma 5.18? |
| 19:00.42 | forza4_2 | How the development of kde plasma 5.18 goes :) |
| 19:00.49 | JanKusanagi | https://kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.17.90.php |
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| 19:01.34 | JanKusanagi | also, ngraham's blog, highly recommended https://pointieststick.com/ |
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| 19:02.18 | JanKusanagi | anyone interested in how the development of Plasma is progressing should check https://planet.kde.org/ often |
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| 19:06.38 | forza4_2 | Thank you so much, JanKusanagi |
| 19:06.45 | JanKusanagi | yw =) |
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| 19:12.47 | Bitterblue | How do I tell if it's a shitty touchpad or a buggy touchpad driver/libinput? |
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| 19:40.40 | diodenor | hola |
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| 19:46.52 | diodenor | hola |
| 19:49.49 | JanKusanagi | hola and bye... such patience xD |
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| 19:54.20 | jcrben | Bitterblue: see https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libinput/libinput#reporting-bugs |