IRC log for #kde on 20200115

00:00.49glickis antone here running manjaro?
00:01.56glickanyone
00:02.03glicknot antone lol
00:04.32lod__<glick> if i close it will i still get event and email notifications?
00:04.34lod__yes
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00:07.41glickcool thanks yes
00:09.53lod__I'm not sure what asturm meant, I think notification settings
00:10.13lod__by default it should be "auto"
00:10.30glicki see
00:10.31glickthanks
00:12.27prg318I have "Play/Pause media playback" under "Media Controller" set to "Meta+Home" but it doesn't seem to be doing anything.  I'm using audacious and I know its MPRIS compatible because I can toggle play/pause with playerctl.  Is "Media Contrller" the right place to set this under global shortcuts?
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00:19.30prg318actually looks like it must be an audacious issue; qmms seems to be working
00:25.33woodwoseman... why is kmail so damn buggy
00:25.53glicklol thats the kde way woodwose
00:26.03woodwoseyeah I know
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00:26.57glickwhat problem you having wih kmail?
00:29.25JanKusanagiyou're both being quite insulting...
00:30.52glickJanKusanagi: insulting to who?
00:31.11JanKusanagito all developers
00:31.20JanKusanagiwho're providing you with great software for free, BTW
00:31.25glickrelax man
00:31.32glicki didnt say anything bad about it
00:31.44glickeven so, its software...not someones mother
00:31.45JanKusanagiyou did
00:31.51JanKusanagiit's someone's hard work
00:31.52woodwoseit keeps crashing while trying to add accounts
00:32.01JanKusanagiinsulting someone's hard work is insulting
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00:32.07glicki wrote some software too
00:32.12glickinsult it all you want
00:32.19glicki dont give a damn, its some instructions to a cpu
00:32.21JanKusanagiI'm not like you
00:32.29JanKusanagiit's someone's WORK
00:32.41madpropsis it me or Nate seems to be doing the majority of bug fixing? Almost seems like a one man operation
00:32.57JanKusanagiis it you xDD
00:33.03JanKusanagi*it is you
00:33.05woodwoseit should become a 100 man operation
00:33.18JanKusanagipay 100 salaries and it will
00:33.31woodwoseI 'll pay with kudos on IRC
00:33.48JanKusanagisure, that will allow people to work full time in what you want =)
00:33.56woodwose<3 is all they need
00:34.22woodwosebtw...
00:35.39woodwosethat bad font rendering wasn't a pebkac but some issues because of the hidpi handling
00:36.08woodwosefor the time being exporting QT_ENABLE_HIGHDPI_SCALING=0 fixes it
00:36.13woodwosephew...
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00:40.50woodwosekeeps crashing: "could not convert value of setting "authentication" to required type."
00:40.55woodwoseok, no email for me
00:41.34woodwosebecause pretty much any other email clients aren't tolerable alternatives...
00:41.34JanKusanagire: stupid uberpowerful creepy GMail, some light → https://euroquis.nl//kde/2020/01/13/google.html
00:41.41woodwoseeven if they work
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00:55.22woodwosethis is just sad
00:56.30JanKusanagisend your thanks to the G empire
00:56.37woodwosehas nothing to do with google
00:56.41woodwoseI don't use google
00:57.02JanKusanagiah, you don't?
00:57.07woodwoseyes I don't
00:57.10JanKusanagithen that link wasn't for you xDDD
00:57.15woodwoseI use fastmail, mailbox.org, and run my own mail server
00:57.18JanKusanagi(and my congrats for that)
00:57.31woodwosebased on postfix, dovecot and rspamd
00:58.11woodwoseJanKusanagi, can you recommend any fancy-gui (not mutt, neo-mutt, apline, or any other ncurses based) email client?
00:58.17woodwosekmail is a pile of crap
00:58.30woodwosethunderbird is even worse
00:58.42JanKusanagiI clearly can't, considering... xD
00:58.43woodwose*alpine
00:58.50glickthunderbird woodwose?
00:58.55JanKusanagifor the record, KMail is no crap
00:59.06woodwoseJanKusanagi, I've been using kmaiil since 2009
00:59.19woodwoseakonadi is worse than crap
00:59.25JanKusanagiand you still have no respect for its developers, how nice...
00:59.32JanKusanagiask for a refund
00:59.47woodwoseyeah, how nice to just push changes without any prior testing
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01:00.33JanKusanagiyes, I'm sure you know exactly how things are developed and tested
01:00.38glickanyone use Ring for video calls?
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01:10.41woodwoseanother thing which is totally frustrating is...
01:11.19woodwosewhy do config files have to clutter up .config/ .local/share ...
01:11.38woodwoseput all the akonadi crap into one akonadi folder...
01:12.22woodwosetrying to do a clean restart end always up becoming a puzzle
01:12.30woodwose+s
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01:16.33mek42-MIs there any content that konqueror is unable to deliver?  I'm ttying to decide if I need/want to install another browser
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01:17.52woodwoseyeah use a proper www-browser like firefox
01:18.20woodwoseafaik konki has no sandboxing
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01:32.07josef64yes, or falkon
01:32.22josef64https://www.falkon.org/
01:32.57sarnold"(released 19 March 2019)"
01:33.03sarnoldnot an encouraging sign for a browser
01:34.14josef64it works with latest (Qt 5.14) QtWebEngine
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01:34.49sarnoldah, that's better
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01:36.05woodwosestill no sandboxing
01:36.19woodwoseif you use it, don't enable js
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01:46.42woodwoseI take back some of my criticism, it's "just" an issue with the account wizard, configuring accounts manually works
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01:52.07_Random_hey guys im not much of a techie, can you help me please.. I would like to run "anydesk" at login from kde plasma on linux open-rc pc.
01:52.58_Random_ive added it to "rc-update add anydesk default"
01:53.27_Random_ans eselect rc start anydesk
01:53.57_Random_all looks fine but it's noot loading when plasma opens at auto login
01:54.31sarnoldis anydesk an application that you would run as a user in an X11 session? or is a system service?
01:54.32_Random_how i can have auto open at login on plasma.. Thanks in advance
01:54.46sarnoldmy impression of openrc is that it is a system service manager, not a user session manager thingy
01:54.57_Random_true
01:55.08_Random_as stated im not much of a techie
01:55.30sarnoldwell, you also likely have more experience with both anydesk and openrc than I do :)
01:55.34_Random_btw Thank you in advance ! :)
01:55.35sarnoldplasma, too, heh
01:55.46_Random_LOL
01:56.29_Random_there must be a way of adding application to auto start with plasma
01:56.55JanKusanagiof course, right there in Plasma's system settings
01:57.43JanKusanagiyou can find it really easily if you search for "autos" in the search field...
01:58.04_Random_JanKusanagi: thanks
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02:00.43_Random_JanKusanagi:  I cant see "add  application"
02:01.10JanKusanagithere's a "Add Program" right at the bottom
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02:14.11_Random_JanKusanagi: thanks, was on phone & now back, this seems to be about file association
02:14.29JanKusanagiit's not
02:14.39JanKusanagiunless you didn't go where I said xD
02:14.39_Random_nor can I find anydesk as its not a default app
02:15.00_Random_settings
02:15.02sarnoldI wouldn't be surprised if whatever this dialog box is is looking for .desktop files in The Usual Places
02:15.13_Random_ahh
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02:15.23JanKusanagiit shows the item from the application launcher
02:15.27JanKusanagi*items
02:15.28sarnolddoes your anydesk application have a ,desktop file somewhere where these kinds of programs would look for them?
02:16.11JanKusanagiif the program in question isn't available via the application launcher, one just needs to add it there, by right-clicking said application launcher and selecting "Edit applications"
02:16.35JanKusanagithen it will be available for autostarting easily (not that there aren't other ways...)
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02:34.48_Random_do i need to include "%"
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04:12.01VLMCHi, is Plasma Mobile supported here?
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04:20.08VLMCI'm stuck at "adding android system image to installation ... " while flashing
04:20.36JanKusanagiprobably better to ask in #plasma, but it's also probably not the best time of day
04:25.05VLMCthanks, posted there
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08:26.05vladimiroff-MUnder which "product" in bugs.kde.org should I report a bug regarding the lockscreen reproducible only on wayland?
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08:47.38pepovladimiroff-M, kscreenlocker
08:48.37vladimiroff-M<pepo "vladimiroff, kscreenlocker"> Thanks.
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10:27.57m1clhow to disable baloo_file ?
10:28.10m1clwhat is the daemon called?
10:28.32m1clI switched to gnome, but it seems like there are still kde processes running
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10:30.40rindolfm1cl: hi
10:31.05rindolfm1cl: can you use htop / etc?
10:31.30m1clyes
10:31.45m1clit seemed like kde5init was running, dono why
10:31.59m1clalso the krunner is running...
10:33.06m1clit seems like kde took over my machine.
10:34.00m1cldoes it have anything to do with sddm?
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10:43.10glickkrunner is supposed to be running
10:43.16glickits kde's search engine
10:48.31m1clgot it but krunner is also running in gnome
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11:52.14BluesKajHowdy folks
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12:17.43rindolfBluesKaj: meow
12:17.48rindolfBluesKaj: sup?
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12:34.47TuorWhat would you do KDE neon or kubuntu with ppa?
12:36.05BluesKajhey rindolf , just coffee atm, you?
12:37.29rindolfBluesKaj: released some new versions of my https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPAN dists
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14:42.21AebianHi, is there a style guide available? I want to edit the spacing of the global menu items but unsure which config file controls this
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14:42.50AebianGoogle didn't help me much with this so far
14:43.02JanKusanagiGoogle is not anyone's friend =)
14:43.25JanKusanaginto sure that menu's appearance can be configured via config files, but probably better to ask in #plasma or #kde-devel
14:44.32Aebianit can, this way for e.g. you can add spaces between the system tray icons
14:44.39Aebianok
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17:00.30Aebianhi, I have kde running and notcied again that my mouse clicks again are not recognized by kde. They are detected via evtest and xmodmap -pp also shows 1:1 the same layout. The issue arrise when my computer is locked for at least 1.5 hours and the lid is closed. Any ideas what could be the cause? X11 is used and KDE is  5.14.5 it seems. Oh yeah and OS is Debian Buster
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17:01.11Aebianif I do a logout of my session everything works again
17:01.21AebianI don't even need a restart
17:01.52Aebianbut I don't want to logout every time.
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17:05.59Aebiana restart of kwin or plasmashell doesn't solve it either, a logout and login does
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17:08.20JanKusanagi(*Plasma* is 5.14.5)
17:08.49JanKusanagiis that a real mouse, or a laptop's thing?
17:08.57JanKusanagitouchpad, whatever...
17:08.58Aebianlaptop touchpad
17:09.01Aebianyes
17:09.23JanKusanagiah, then replugging is out of the question
17:09.30JanKusanagithe cursor still moves?
17:09.37Aebianyup, I can move around
17:09.51Aebianjust not left click
17:09.58Aebianright click seems to work fine
17:10.06JanKusanagihmm, interesting
17:10.51Aebiansame situation if I plug a external mouse
17:11.11Aebianno left click possible, if I now logout and login I can again
17:11.33AebianI could update and see if the issue comes back
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17:12.59Aebianjust gonna do that yeah
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18:16.01hareluhey peeps, so im trying to figure out this extremely weird bug that's been annoying me for weeks. Its best described here: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=133362 and thats the only place i have seen the thing mentioned online
18:16.15hareluanyone else experiences or hopefully fixed this weirdness?
18:16.29hareluI tried switching cursor themes, graphic drivers, resolution, dpi and any other options i could find, but nothing helped
18:18.22dms-MIt is nice that you have it occasionally. I have cases when half of the backbuffer goes black and everything flicker like a mad
18:19.03hareluoh yeah, its not really just occasional, happens basically 99% of the time when the cursor changes shapes, like from arrow -> hand cursor
18:19.47hareluits so annoying because i subconsciously think the actual cursor jumped a few pixels away, but it doesnt, it resets to the original spot after the little milisecond jump lol
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18:30.27PeanutHi - I'm on Kubuntu (KDE 5.62.0) and am looking for a way to get the virtual desktop pager to switch desktops using the (to me) customary cltr-alt-left/right keys. But I can't find any way to configure such a shortcut key?
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18:37.37jankusanagi_there's no "KDE 5.62", that's the version of Frameworks, but the version of Plasma would probably be much more interesting =)
18:38.05jankusanagi_the shortcuts for that are located in Plasma's system settings, under Global Shortcuts
18:38.26jankusanagi_under the "KWin" component
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18:38.47PeanutHi jankusanagi_, thanks. This would be plasma 4:5.16.5, or at least that's the version number of the Ubuntu package.
18:39.05jankusanagi_well, the "4:" is not really part of the version, that's something from your distribution's packaging
18:39.16jankusanagi_the ideal is tu just look at KInfoCenter
18:39.43jankusanagi_*to just
18:40.39PeanutOk, I have kinfocenter installed. KDE Plasma Version: 5.16.5, KDE framework 5.62.0, QT 5.12.4
18:41.01PeanutI'm also at the 'global shortcuts' page. Where would swapping virtual desktops go in there?
18:41.10jankusanagi_as I said, the KWin component
18:41.24jankusanagi_KWin is Plasma's window manager, handles this too
18:41.49jankusanagi_there are a gazillion desktop-related shortcuts in there
18:41.54Peanutjankusanagi_: Awesome, found it, thanks :-)
18:42.01jankusanagi_yw =)
18:43.04PeanutAnd it works. Sorry, coming from Unity in the past I'm not too clear yet on how KDE/Plasma/KWin integrate, and I couldn't find this anywhere in the documentation of the desktop pager.
18:44.28jankusanagi_IIRC, the switching shortcuts could be changed from there too, in the past
18:44.43jankusanagi_at some point that was changed
18:44.55PeanutNo, there is only 'This shortcut will activate the applet as though it had been clicked'.
18:45.21jankusanagi_no, not in the config of the pager, but in the "Configure Virtual Desktops" window that also opens via right-click on the pager
18:45.45PeanutYeah, I had looked there too, before asking.
18:46.05jankusanagi_but those settings were redisigned (quite nicely, I might add), and the shortcuts part was apparently lost (at least for now)
18:46.14jankusanagi_might be back in Plasma 5.18, who knows
18:47.53jankusanagi_still, that only showed the basic "switch to next/prev desktop" shortcuts, while in the actual Global Shortcuts config, you have all kinds of shortcuts
18:48.07jankusanagi_to switch to previous, to next, to the one up, down, left, to the 8th...
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19:15.37pingufanHello.  How can I embed rar into KDE (Plasma5) to give it a GUI ?   My friend needs it and has massive problems with commandline usage of RAR.
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19:17.14asturmark has rar support
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19:59.11ArgentWolfHello! Is this the place to ask about building KDE software? I'd like to install Ikona, but it doesn't seem to have any build instructions.
19:59.34asturmArgentWolf: I guess it will have a CMakeLists.txt file
19:59.56ArgentWolfSo how do I use that? Just run cmake?
20:00.26asturmgo to source dir and `mkdir build && cd build && cmake ../` this will create your makefile to build
20:00.37ArgentWolfOhh, okay!
20:01.17ArgentWolfHmm, looks like I'm missing stuff. Is there a list of dependencies anywhere?
20:01.26asturmthe messages should be clear
20:02.00asturmalthough they won't directly translate to package names they should usually guide you into the right direction
20:02.37ArgentWolfLooks like I need the Kirigami dev package... would be nice to have that in the readme somewhere. (:
20:02.40ArgentWolfThanks!
20:06.43asturmI find cmake to be quite readable
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20:16.52ArgentWolfHm, it built fine, but now it's failing, saying something about QtQuick.Controls not being installed. Even after I installed qtquickcontrols2-5-dev (which seems to be the only version in the repository).
20:17.06asturmyou need v1 not v2
20:18.44ArgentWolfOh, huh!
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20:19.02ArgentWolfHm, I don't see a v1 in here at all.
20:19.10asturma lot of applications need it so it must be there
20:19.24asturmshould be called qtquickcontrols
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20:19.58asturmand you actually need the main package, not -dev, it is a runtime dep
20:20.07ArgentWolfOh, okay. Huh.
20:20.20ArgentWolfI've found qml-module-qtquick-controls, but it's already installed!
20:20.39ArgentWolfThe error message seems to indicate it needs v2.13 specifically...
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