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| 04:19.56 | Necrosand | Running KDE Plasma 5.10.2 on Gentoo, having weird icon/window scaling issues when I plug in a 2nd display that doesn't match the primaries resolution |
| 04:20.19 | Necrosand | Are there more scaling options than what's in System Settings? |
| 04:20.26 | Necrosand | Everything just seems wacky |
| 04:20.30 | Necrosand | 'big' |
| 04:21.19 | Necrosand | (Like the top window bar the shows the title of the window is maybe 150 px tall) |
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| 04:22.41 | Necrosand | I know there must be a KDE pro in here |
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| 04:23.38 | thiago | export QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0 QT_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTORS=2 |
| 04:24.25 | thiago | put that in a script that gets sourced during login, like ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env/vars.sh (create that file) |
| 04:24.41 | thiago | assuming you have two high-dpi screens |
| 04:24.54 | thiago | if you have two regular DPI screens, export only the first variable |
| 04:25.35 | rangerare | anyone know how to hide all the shortcut texts on all menus in KDE. Like when I right-click the desktop, I don't want to see "Ctrl+C" next to "Copy". |
| 04:26.09 | rangerare | I've searched everywhere and can't find a single solution. |
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| 04:29.19 | Necrosand | You the man thiago |
| 04:29.20 | Necrosand | thank you |
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| 04:44.35 | Necrosand | One more issue |
| 04:44.45 | Necrosand | I've set my primary display but windows keep defaulting to the other one |
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| 05:12.46 | rindolf | Necrosand: hi |
| 05:12.56 | rindolf | Necrosand: "the windows"? |
| 05:13.17 | rindolf | Necrosand: or do you mean MS Windows? |
| 05:13.45 | Necrosand | I mean when I open an application the window that displays is output to the secondary display, not primary display, rindolf |
| 05:13.58 | Necrosand | On the same version of KDE I mentioned about 20 lines back |
| 05:14.04 | Necrosand | (5.10.2 Gentoo) |
| 05:14.22 | Necrosand | Annoying to have to drag them over. Feels like a second rate window manager experience! |
| 05:14.32 | Necrosand | (But looking damn good now thanks to thiago's advice) |
| 05:14.39 | rindolf | Necrosand: ah |
| 05:14.47 | rindolf | thiago++ |
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| 06:33.12 | s_hax[m] | how'bout using KDE for work? y/n? |
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| 06:35.34 | clarjon1 | s_hax[m]: i do it |
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| 06:42.20 | s_hax[m] | > <@freenode_clarjon1:matrix.org> s_hax[m]: i do it |
| 06:42.21 | s_hax[m] | thanks, im thinking about starting working in Plasma ^_^ |
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| 07:28.21 | ninjaaron | I just ordered this x86 tablet: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/windows-tablets/miix-series/-Miix-320/p/88IPMX30837 |
| 07:28.42 | ninjaaron | Should I be putting plasma mobile on it? |
| 07:29.22 | ninjaaron | or is there a way to get the touch interface working from inside normal plasma? |
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| 07:46.39 | absentabyss | hey guys, I'm trying to set some keyboard shortcuts in plasma 5 but I'm running with some problems: |
| 07:47.11 | absentabyss | -I want to bind "run command" to i3's Super+D. but it won't recognize the input afterwards |
| 07:47.42 | absentabyss | I also want to bing the "close window" to i3's Super+shift+Q but same result. help? |
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| 07:48.31 | Sho_ | I don't understand how Super+D is "i3's Super+D" |
| 07:49.19 | absentabyss | I just meant "super+D inspired in i3wm's command" |
| 07:49.21 | absentabyss | sorry |
| 07:49.38 | absentabyss | the fact that it has anything to do with i3 is highly irrelevant |
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| 07:50.04 | ninjaaron | absentabyss: I mean, it's dmenu anyway. |
| 07:50.31 | absentabyss | ninjaaron: yeah |
| 07:50.39 | absentabyss | anyways, help with shortcuts? |
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| 08:09.16 | Sho_ | can't think of anything from the top off my head, sorry - expected to work fine |
| 08:09.31 | Sho_ | you might want to mess around with the advanced keyboard options, there's some modifier options |
| 08:09.52 | absentabyss | Sho_: do you know where the config file is? |
| 08:10.56 | Sho_ | for the keyboard options? it's xkb runtime state anyway though, the config file is only relevant on logon restore |
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| 08:42.48 | krisfremen | hello. I'm trying to change the KDEWM to awesome. |
| 08:43.31 | krisfremen | but as soon as I log into the session, awesome bar appears for a few seconds and then disappears, replacing it with an unusable KDE. |
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| 08:53.59 | AndrewPRS | hey everyone! I have a quick question... I cant get the correct environment in my kde session. If I open a konsole and issue `which firefox` it points to the correct one, but if I try to open firefox from an icon, it is an old version |
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| 08:54.27 | AndrewPRS | I have something in my .bashrc like export PATH=/new/firefox/path:$PATH |
| 08:54.43 | AndrewPRS | and also made a profile.sh file in .kde/env |
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| 08:58.47 | ninjaaron | I just ordered this x86 tablet: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/windows-tablets/miix-series/-Miix-320/p/88IPMX30837 |
| 08:58.50 | ninjaaron | Should I be putting plasma mobile on it? |
| 08:58.54 | ninjaaron | or is there a way to get the touch interface working from inside normal plasma? |
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| 09:06.46 | AndrewPRS | and also made a profile.sh file in .kde/env |
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| 10:44.11 | oodsway | Anyone know how to increase the font size on Konversation ? #oldeyes |
| 10:47.19 | Sho_ | Ctrl and +, or ctrl+mousewheel, or see the menu bar |
| 10:47.28 | Sho_ | or the config dialog -> fonts |
| 10:47.33 | Sho_ | basically all the typical ways work |
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| 10:59.49 | oodsway | Sho_: Thanks. mouse wheel worked, but not ctrl. Thank you! |
| 11:00.19 | Sho_ | you're welcome |
| 11:00.47 | oodsway | Sho_: correction: ctrl + mouse wheel |
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| 11:03.04 | oodsway | Sho: where in menu bar? can't find it in my version 1.6 |
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| 11:04.57 | oodsway | Sho: aaaand I now see the setting in config dialog. Jeez. |
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| 11:08.03 | Fuchs | Menu bar should be on top where it always is, otherwise CTRL+M |
| 11:08.14 | Fuchs | it's not there if you configured menu bars to be in a plasmoid or the window deco |
| 11:08.56 | Fuchs | oh, where _in_ the menu bar, sorry |
| 11:08.59 | Fuchs | it's in "Edit" |
| 11:09.01 | Fuchs | increase font size |
| 11:09.09 | Fuchs | *enlarge |
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| 11:09.55 | oodsway | Fuchs: menu bar showing, ctrl+,|. moves between tabs. Looking for ctrl+? to up down font |
| 11:10.23 | Fuchs | it's in "Edit" and shows with Ctrl++ for me |
| 11:10.47 | Fuchs | second entry from the left, if your konversation is not set to English |
| 11:11.22 | oodsway | Fuchs: wth? my Edit menu has no "increase font size" option. Using Konversation 1.6 |
| 11:11.37 | Fuchs | hm, odd, maybe that was added in 1.7 |
| 11:12.28 | oodsway | Fuchs: perhaps. I'm on 16.04 LTS waiting for 18.04.1 LTS to upgrade |
| 11:12.44 | oodsway | Fuchs: Kubuntu |
| 11:13.03 | Fuchs | yes, I assumed that with these version numbers :) |
| 11:13.13 | Fuchs | okay, but if you have a working key combination that's fine :) |
| 11:13.20 | Fuchs | otherwise you can use the font settings, I guess |
| 11:14.30 | oodsway | Fuchs: what you and Sho helped with makes it usable for me. Was using weechat, but exploring this. |
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| 11:16.21 | oodsway | Fuchs: thanks for helping. |
| 11:16.42 | Fuchs | you're welcome |
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| 11:27.56 | ninjaaron | Is it possible to set the regular Plasma envirnoment up to work more or less like Plasma Mobile, or are they different environments? |
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| 12:00.03 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 13:15.22 | yumbox | when I try to launch any program from konsole: |
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| 13:27.48 | phobos | Is there anyway to turn off the blur effect that seems to be default with kde5? |
| 13:28.00 | phobos | I've disabled it in desktop effects and it's still going |
| 13:28.28 | ngraham[m] | what is still blurred that you want to be opaque? |
| 13:28.37 | phobos | everything |
| 13:28.42 | phobos | including the active window |
| 13:29.11 | phobos | The only way I've found to get rid of it is to disable compositing all together. I'm asking if there is another way |
| 13:30.50 | achillion | Can you show me an example (screenshot) of a blurred element you want to disable? |
| 13:31.47 | phobos | Yep give me a minute to get gimp or something similar installed to get the screenshot |
| 13:31.50 | achillion | 'cause I have no blur effects anywhere and I can't remember when and how I disabled them |
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| 13:32.45 | achillion | spectacle (the KDE application) is pretty good for quick screenshots :) |
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| 13:51.02 | phobos | achillion: not sure how well this shows it https://imgsafe.org/image/5dd24d013a |
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| 13:51.44 | achillion | hm |
| 13:51.54 | achillion | I think that might not be "blur" |
| 13:52.01 | achillion | are you talking about the blurry text? |
| 13:52.15 | phobos | blurry text, windows, and apps |
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| 13:52.41 | phobos | It clears up for a second or two when I launch a new app, then goes back to being very blurry |
| 13:53.11 | achillion | so that's definitely not what the "blur" effect refers to |
| 13:53.27 | JanKusanagi | not in the least xD |
| 13:53.33 | achillion | But I'm not sure what your issue might be. At first I thought it might be font anti aliasing |
| 13:54.06 | achillion | but you say it looks OK when you disable the compositor |
| 13:54.22 | phobos | yep, I'll get a screen shot of it without compositing and upload it |
| 13:54.33 | JanKusanagi | did you try changing compositing backend? |
| 13:54.40 | JanKusanagi | to xrender or another version of OpenGL? |
| 13:55.01 | phobos | I've tried changing it from the default 2.0 to 3.1 and xren |
| 13:55.14 | phobos | if it involves enabling anything related to desktop effects, that blur stuff kicks in |
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| 13:56.29 | achillion | phobos: scale method? |
| 13:56.37 | phobos | https://imgsafe.org/image/5de8b972f6 |
| 13:56.46 | phobos | How do I check that? |
| 13:56.51 | achillion | it's in the compositor settings |
| 13:56.56 | phobos | k |
| 13:57.09 | achillion | There's "smooth" "crisp" and "accurate" |
| 13:57.18 | phobos | It's set to accurate |
| 13:57.33 | phobos | vsync is set to automatic |
| 13:57.46 | phobos | and allow applications to block compositing is enabled |
| 13:58.00 | achillion | I guess try changing it to the other settings. When I change the scale method, I get warnings that "accurate" might cause rendering artifacts on some hardware, which is why I thought it might be the cause |
| 13:58.13 | phobos | okay, I'll try that |
| 13:58.35 | phobos | same result with 'crisp' |
| 13:59.07 | phobos | same result with 'smooth' |
| 13:59.21 | achillion | damn |
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| 14:00.08 | achillion | What GPU? If you're using nvidia and nvidia-settings, it might be worth playing around with settings in there |
| 14:00.22 | phobos | nvidia quadro p4000 |
| 14:00.33 | achillion | As you can tell, I'm really not sure what's wrong and I'm just throwing things against the wall here, so maybe someone else around here might have a better idea |
| 14:00.59 | phobos | same thing I've done, but I appreciate you trying to help :D |
| 14:01.15 | JanKusanagi | you could try with the Nouveau driver, to at least check if the same thing happens with it =) |
| 14:01.23 | phobos | Google and Duckduckgo didn't have any useful answers either |
| 14:01.44 | phobos | no offense, but I'd rather take the gpu and break it than play around with nouveau again |
| 14:02.03 | JanKusanagi | ok..... |
| 14:02.57 | phobos | eh, I'll live with compositing disabled |
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| 14:03.13 | phobos | Thanks anyway :D |
| 14:06.32 | achillion | lol, fair enough |
| 14:06.37 | achillion | phobos: enjoy SOMA |
| 14:06.44 | achillion | :P |
| 14:06.58 | achillion | (and sorry for looking at your screenshots too closely..?) |
| 14:07.12 | achillion | bad habit |
| 14:07.21 | phobos | It's okay. SOMA is one of the favorites. Have you played? |
| 14:07.27 | achillion | I have |
| 14:07.33 | phobos | What did you think of it? |
| 14:08.52 | achillion | Liked it very very much. Haven't played it a second time. I kinda agree with the main criticism, that the monsters don't really fit the story as much and it feels they're only there because that's what Frictional knows and they needed something to keep the player going forward somehow |
| 14:09.01 | achillion | but all in all, I really enjoyed it |
| 14:09.34 | achillion | It's a horrifying mysterious game that really made me feel... the stuff it meant for me to feel I suppose |
| 14:09.48 | phobos | The last revision of the game includes an option to disable the monsters and turn it into an exploration type game |
| 14:09.50 | achillion | You say it's one of your favourites, so I guess you like it :) |
| 14:09.56 | achillion | oh shit, that sounds great |
| 14:10.00 | achillion | Might play it again then |
| 14:11.42 | phobos | I was hooked right from the git go on that one. The Amnesia series... not so much. I think they are good games, but I just care much for them. |
| 14:12.23 | phobos | If you get the latest patch, just select easy mode and the monsters will completely ignore you. Then one has gobs of time to explore everything :D |
| 14:13.04 | phobos | I guess the creators wanted to include that option at release, but were told to hold off on it by the publishers for maximum scare or something |
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| 14:24.31 | buovjaga | I know asking distro-related questions is considered a sin, but I have a feeling you KDE gurus might be able to give troubleshooting tips for this: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/after-update-launching-kde-applications-fails-with-the-x11-connection-broke-maximum-allowed-requested-length-exceeded-code-4/53070 |
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| 14:31.23 | rdieter | buovjaga: googling hit this thread, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=235223 |
| 14:32.09 | rdieter | their workaround was to unset QT_SCALE_FACTOR |
| 14:32.24 | buovjaga | rdieter: yep, but sadly it does not help (like I mention in my topic) :( |
| 14:32.25 | rdieter | oh, you tried that |
| 14:33.05 | buovjaga | the scaling might still be the root cause somehow... maybe I should advise to set Plasma's scaling to the default |
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| 15:43.29 | razer_ | Why does the avatar in plasma not take effect, I meant to say. |
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| 18:12.48 | amsharma | I did a system upgrade on manjaro, and haven't rebooted yet. |
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| 18:13.03 | amsharma | Seeing this error in both Krusader & Dolphin: Unable to create io-slave. klauncher said: Error loading '/usr/lib/qt/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so'. |
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| 18:13.53 | amsharma | I don't want to reboot unless it is something I can fix now (and won't be able to - later) |
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| 18:22.07 | rdieter | amsharma: you can try re-running: kdeinit5 |
| 18:26.37 | amsharma | rdieter: thanks. that worked. |
| 18:26.57 | amsharma | if possible, can you please explain what the problem was, and what exactly did kdeinit5 did to fix it? |
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| 19:07.35 | Muzer | running KDE with Chromium browser and absolutely sick of rogue websites going crazy with WebRTC to disable power management, and my laptop literally running out of batteries as a result. Is there a way to blacklist chromium so KDE will ignore it when it goes "hey guys, let's disable power management!" |
| 19:07.55 | Muzer | (I've also sent angry emails to the people behind the website but it's government so I expect it to take six to eight years to be actioned) |
| 19:11.43 | rdieter | Muzer: do you have an example of such a website so I can test? |
| 19:11.49 | Muzer | https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/working-timetables |
| 19:12.21 | Muzer | doesn't do it on every single load for me, but most loads it does. Not sure why. |
| 19:12.44 | Muzer | it shows up prominently in the battery widget in plasma (is that what those things are called these days? I've no idea, all my terminology is stuck in KDE4 days) |
| 19:13.35 | rdieter | Muzer: ok, I've (re)loaded that site 4 times now in chrome, but I'm not seeing any inhibitors |
| 19:13.39 | Muzer | hmm |
| 19:13.56 | Muzer | it could be dependent on the ad |
| 19:14.05 | Muzer | I'm just refreshing it now and not getting it eithre |
| 19:14.24 | Muzer | ah, just got it again when a Disney ad came up |
| 19:14.30 | rdieter | ads are using webrtc? wowo |
| 19:14.37 | Muzer | it's Google ads too |
| 19:14.41 | rdieter | disables adblocker and tries again |
| 19:14.57 | Muzer | yeah, I have a policy not to use an ad blocker but they are seriously trying my patience here |
| 19:15.44 | rdieter | reloading keeps giving me the same ad that apparently does not trigger it |
| 19:16.20 | rdieter | there we go |
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| 19:16.49 | Muzer | yeah, it's crazy. I don't know why, it seems like a standard google ad and I'm pretty sure it's ONLY this site that triggers it for me |
| 19:16.57 | Muzer | unless I don't use any other sites with google ads in the same form factor or something... |
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| 19:17.28 | rdieter | bummer, I thought there was a way to override/ignore inhibitors, but I'm not finding anything now |
| 19:17.45 | Muzer | Well, i've just installed uBlock Origin for the first time in my life |
| 19:17.53 | rdieter | maybe we need a feature request to add that |
| 19:17.55 | Muzer | so way to go TfL/Google/whoever is to blame here, you've lost more revenue ;) |
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| 19:18.27 | oodsway | Muzer: love uBlock Origin, privacy badger & pFBlockerNG (on pfSense) |
| 19:18.56 | Muzer | uBlock Origin was the one everyone was talking about like five years ago, and since my tech knowledge seems to have a five year lag these days, that's the one I went for ;) |
| 19:19.18 | rdieter | marking the tab 'mute site' apparently doesn't help either, unfortunately |
| 19:19.52 | oodsway | Muzer: very rarely I have to disable them when some site doesn't work right |
| 19:20.10 | oodsway | Muzer:mostly banking sites |
| 19:20.29 | Muzer | also |
| 19:20.37 | Muzer | I think perhaps power devil shouldn't allow overriding the "critical battery level" action |
| 19:20.38 | Muzer | by anything |
| 19:20.53 | Muzer | because if my battery is literally data-loss-levels low, I want to hibernate whatever happens |
| 19:21.25 | oodsway | Muzer:I would think no web site should tell your LT what it should do pwr-wize |
| 19:22.06 | rdieter | oodsway: you're ok with laptop going to sleep when teleconferencing with friends/colleagues? |
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| 19:22.28 | oodsway | rdieter: no |
| 19:22.29 | rdieter | because that's what this feature is for |
| 19:22.45 | rdieter | except it's being abused apparently :( |
| 19:22.47 | jankusanagi_ | seems to me like the _browser_ should have options to protect the user from this things... |
| 19:22.49 | oodsway | rdieter: fine |
| 19:23.28 | rdieter | it's an arms race, now that browsers support this... it needs refinement/protections |
| 19:23.47 | oodsway | rdieter: I would just disable sleep in telecon |
| 19:24.17 | oodsway | rdieter: and plug-in lt |
| 19:25.05 | rdieter | same goes for mediaplayers in browsers |
| 19:25.06 | oodsway | Muzer: also check out PrivacyBadger at https://www.eff.org/privacybadger |
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| 19:25.30 | rdieter | if you're watching video or listening to music, etc... |
| 19:26.05 | Muzer | jankusanagi_, also agreed |
| 19:26.10 | Muzer | I think everything should have options |
| 19:26.12 | Muzer | that's why I use KDE |
| 19:26.19 | Muzer | but all web browsers are terrible |
| 19:26.27 | Muzer | and I have to choose one of them out of the equally terrible options |
| 19:26.34 | Muzer | (of course when Opera 12 existed there was no problem choosing ;)) |
| 19:27.10 | oodsway | Muzer: democracy is the worst form of govt, except for all the others ;) |
| 19:27.15 | Muzer | quite |
| 19:28.12 | Muzer | I mean, Firefox I've used a number of times and I kept going back to, but it just always seemed to have so many issue, so many bits of clunkiness, etc.. Otter maybe I should give another chance - it showed promise but was very immature last time I used it. Vivaldi I won't use on principal now because it's closed source, and I was already burnt by falling in love with a closed source browser ;) |
| 19:28.42 | Muzer | Plus I gather Firefox is going more Chromey recently |
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| 19:29.49 | oodsway | Chromium for me, but also have Chrome && FF |
| 19:29.56 | Muzer | yeah, also using Chromium ATM |
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| 19:30.21 | Muzer | I dunno. I just miss Opera 12 so much. |
| 19:30.35 | Muzer | really shows that you can't compete any more in the browser market without a lot of financial backing though :( |
| 19:30.44 | oodsway | what is the term for this "feature" to me an inhibitor, blocks enzymes |
| 19:31.39 | Muzer | oodsway, I think the official WebRTC term is PowerSaveBlock. Not sure what the KDE/powerdevil term for it is. |
| 19:31.49 | Muzer | I've seen it called suppression a lot |
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| 19:32.37 | oodsway | Muzer: a suppressor goes on the barrel of a gun. |
| 19:32.59 | Muzer | words can have two meanings you know ;) |
| 19:33.27 | Muzer | I mean, if you want to go down that route, a window is something you look out of, and a desktop is something you put your computer on |
| 19:33.30 | oodsway | Muzer: yea, just being snarky |
| 19:33.32 | Muzer | :P |
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| 19:34.42 | oodsway | Muzer: what I don't get is why you would allow anything external controlling |
| 19:35.00 | oodsway | Muzer: your pc. I would do it manually. |
| 19:35.13 | Muzer | as rdieter said, it's designed for teleconferencing weapps etc. |
| 19:35.15 | Muzer | *webapps |
| 19:35.35 | Muzer | I mean, like it or not, most "normal" people don't know or care how to adjust their power management settings |
| 19:35.44 | Muzer | and if they do disable it, probably (me included here!) won't remember to re-enable it again |
| 19:36.17 | Muzer | even power users sometimes... https://xkcd.com/196/ |
| 19:36.18 | Muzer | ;) |
| 19:37.37 | oodsway | ha! good one |
| 19:38.10 | oodsway | I go back to: makes no sense, I'll do it myself, thank you. |
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| 19:43.16 | oodsway | Muzer: have you thought of a script that checks the process status and restarts if not |
| 19:43.22 | oodsway | running |
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