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03:36.00jonswiftwhere in kdeconfig is current wallpaper string? plasmarc*?
03:37.10jonswiftor just how to set the wallpaper from cli?
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03:37.24jonswiftqdbus maybe?
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04:05.00jonswiftah, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=215899
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05:32.45MagentiumTime appropriate greetings to my fellow KDE users :D
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09:18.58kab0mhey there. Can someone tell me how i can use an emoji picker like “Insert Emoji” on Kubuntu/KDE? tia
09:19.44akik:)
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09:43.33Joerg-Neo900!plasmoid
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09:44.11Joerg-Neo900any pointers to a plasmoid/widget HowTo?
09:44.26Joerg-Neo900coding
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10:01.12FuchsJoerg-Neo900: https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma5/QML2/GettingStarted, but personally I found that rather useless and just went with looking at existing plasmoids when I coded mine
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10:49.31Joerg-Neo900:-D ta
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10:52.02Joerg-Neo900Fuchs: are plasmoids running in their own process? (not like e.g. on maemo where an applet can tear down the whole desktop) And how would I test plasmoids, since restarting plasma is a tad clumsy - is there a better alternative?
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10:57.12Joerg-Neo900nm, "testing the applet" in your link is maybe not completely useless
10:57.37Joerg-Neo900plasmoidviewer --applet package
10:59.36Joerg-Neo900umm cnf plasmoidviewer
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11:04.57Joerg-Neo900hmmm https://pastebin.com/5LsiEBAX
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11:18.19Joerg-Neo900nice, works now, just the applet itself acts a little... buggy
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11:39.07Joerg-Neo900Fuchs: can you help me out on meaning of >>file:///usr/share/plasma/shells/org.kde.plasma.plasmoidviewershell/contents/configuration/AppletConfiguration.qml:171:17: QML Rectangle: Binding loop detected for property "width"<<  ?
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11:43.06Joerg-Neo900https://i.imgur.com/qEdP0Cv.png
11:43.18BluesKajHiyas all
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11:44.12Joerg-Neo900Fuchs: from `plasmoidviewer --applet /usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.systemloadviewe
11:44.32Joerg-Neo900+r
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12:14.47davidebeatriciHello
12:14.58davidebeatriciI'm on Debian Testing
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12:16.05davidebeatriciSince yesterday, my favorites disappeared from the applications menu and after some minutes the "plasmashell" is using 100% CPU
12:17.26davidebeatriciI have to use ALT + TAB to switch between open windows because task manager bar takes a lot of seconds to register the input
12:17.59davidebeatriciAll the packages are updated
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12:27.47davidebeatriciKDE Plasma version: 5.12.5
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12:53.35davidebeatriciGDB backtrace: https://pastebin.com/YVezYVuL
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13:23.52shtrbdavidebeatrici, did you do a dist-upgrade ?
13:23.59davidebeatricishtrb: Yes
13:24.22shtrbdrop a note at #debian-kde at oftc
13:24.32davidebeatriciShould I file a bug?
13:24.34shtrb(please mention that)
13:24.51shtrbit is an option ,but debian-kde is where the kde maintainers hangout
13:25.09davidebeatriciOK, I'm going to ask there, thank you :)
13:25.49shtrbyou welcome, beware of sid update because it broke plasma-pa  (you can use kmix )
13:26.46davidebeatriciIt's working fine for me, however I always had a problem with VLC
13:27.02davidebeatriciChanging the volume to 100% in it, actually increases it to 105% in plasma-pa
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13:29.01Llamatron2112is there a way to put a panel applet so it always is in the center of the screen with the regular dock ? only managed to do that with latte-dock's "justify" setting, but I suspect latte is making my systray applet bug pretty often
13:30.09Llamatron2112on a maxed width dock
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13:40.58ZinjanthropusThere is panel alignment center in the regular panel menu (under more settings). Or are you talking about something more specific?
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13:43.50Llamatron2112it doesn't do what I want if the panel's width is maxed, it refers to the docks alignment, not its content (at least it seems to me). If I put separators left and right of the element I want in the center, it doesn't end on the middle of the screen
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13:44.04Llamatron2112and I tried fiddling with separators size
13:45.17ZinjanthropusAh, I see. Then I don't have any ideas. Sorry.
13:45.31ZinjanthropusI'm just a n00b, tho, anyway
13:45.38ZinjanthropusKDE n00b, I mean
13:46.31Llamatron2112I am too :) but you might have found something I didn't
13:46.46ZinjanthropusHahaha, yeah, you never know
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14:25.27Joerg-Neo900>>you can use kmix<< is there a plasma5-compatible version? or how would I use kmix under plasma5
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14:34.03JanKusanagiit's just a program, you can potentially run it in any environment
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14:43.46davidebeatricishtrb: I fixed the issue by deleting ~/.local/share/kactivitymanagerd/resources/*, as suggested on #debian-kde
14:43.53davidebeatriciThe database was corrupted
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15:49.30TheDcoderI have still not solved my lag issue, can anyone look at my thread?: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=152887
15:49.56TheDcoderBasically Plasma is spamming a function called nf_defrag_ipv4_enable for some reason
15:51.29thiagowhen is that function called?
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15:51.37thiagonetfilters, defragment, ipv4
15:51.47thiagobut when does the kernel decide to call it?
15:52.49thiagocheck your network traffic. What's happening?
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15:56.21TheDcoderBAsically everytime since Plasma starts
15:56.35TheDcoderI am no developer by the way, I just used perf to generate an usage report
15:56.42TheDcoderthat function was on the top of the charts
15:56.58thiagothat's kernel networking
15:57.06TheDcoderOh
15:57.27thiagoso, please use a traffic sniffer like tcpdump or wireshark. What is happening?
15:57.38thiagostop application that aren't relevant
15:57.49TheDcoderNot sure what that implies but something must have caused that to be called
15:58.00thiagoprobably incoming traffic
15:58.13TheDcoderI don't think we would find anything by inspecting the traffic
15:58.29TheDcoderanything useful I mean
15:58.45TheDcoderit only happens to my user, other users CPU usage is way down
15:59.50thiagoit might be traffic your user causes
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16:03.19TheDcoderTraffic caused by plasma?
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16:06.19thiagonot necessarily
16:06.31thiagocan you just tell me what traffic you see?
16:07.15TheDcoderI am currently not using my Linux OS, I could switch to it if you believe you can find something useful
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16:08.32TheDcoderI don't really have anything else to do anyway, so I guess I will switch, I will be back within a few minutes :)
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16:17.57TheDcoderI am sorry but I forgot your nickname... can you give me the command that you want me to run?
16:18.27thiagowireshark
16:18.38TheDcoderah, thiago
16:19.01TheDcoderwireshark is pretty heavy, do you mind using something like tcpdump?
16:19.07thiagono
16:19.22thiagotcpdump is fine
16:20.18TheDcoderthanks, can you give me the command that you want me to run? Sorry, I am a noob at this stuff :)
16:20.46thiagotcpdump -pni <interface that is running>
16:21.42TheDcoderokay, installing tcpdump now, dnf is being lazy
16:22.22thiagobtw, let's test something first
16:22.26thiagoturn your firewall off
16:22.31thiago1) does the slowness disappear?
16:22.45thiago2) does nf_defrag_ipv4 still show up high in perf?
16:23.02TheDcoderFedora comes with firewalld, should I disable that?
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16:30.13TheDcodersurprising, it is not the most used function anymore
16:30.20TheDcoderthe top position goes to alc_fixup_sku_ignore
16:31.39TheDcoderafter re-enabling the firewall it is now ip6table_filter_net_exit
16:32.07TheDcoderI am not sure if I am reading the perf report correctl
16:32.15TheDcoder*correctly
16:32.27TheDcoderIt is time for mey dinner, I will be back in a few minutes
16:32.40thiagoso networking is not the issue
16:32.45thiagoperf is giving you red herrings
16:32.52TheDcoderyeah... :(
16:33.41TheDcoderback to square one I guess
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16:57.05TheDcoderkactivity manager is crashing unexpectedly now
16:57.18TheDcoderapproxmatley every one minute
16:57.22TheDcoderaround 20 crashes
16:59.13toskyTheDcoder: logout, remove the content of  ~/.local/share/kactivitymanagerd/resources/, login
16:59.37toskyit may be a corruption of the kactivity database; some code was recently added to make that less problematic
17:00.02TheDcoderOh
17:00.09TheDcoderI will do that now
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17:09.18TheDcoderWow
17:09.26TheDcoderI can't believe I solved the issue
17:09.33TheDcoderby simply doing that
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17:09.58TheDcoderThank you very much tosky!
17:11.20toskyluckily for you I helped another user today with the same problem
17:12.25TheDcodermuch appreciated, I have been dealing with this problem for a few days
17:12.45TheDcoderhopefully the patch will make it's way into the releases and fedora repository soon
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17:20.11TheDcoderMarked my thread as solved along with the solution
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17:46.12ZinjanthropusWhat do KDE users normally use for connecting to wireless networks? nm-applet comes with Debian by default, but is there a QT app of some sort that does the same job?
17:48.56thiagoplasma-nm
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17:51.13JanKusanagiwhich is also very probably installed with the Plasma desktop by default, at least, in common cases
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18:10.42ZinjanthropusNot installed by default, I guess, but I think I found it in the repositories. Thanks :)
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18:25.19JanKusanagiwell, if you did some sort of minimal install, then no :D
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23:09.15Time-WarpHEY whats happening with KDE. If Martin steps down whats going to happen
23:09.54JanKusanagiwow... xD
23:10.44Time-Warphttps://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2018-June/086117.html
23:11.05JanKusanagiI guess you didn't read his lengthy blog post about it
23:11.25asturmTime-Warp: you're acting as if that is news
23:11.41JanKusanagiin short: there are other VERY able KWin developers, and he's not going anywhere, just stepping down as "maintainer"
23:13.00Time-Warpit is news lol. didnt expect that coming like on a Sunday
23:14.05JanKusanagifrom June 2 to June 25... hardly news =)
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23:16.57dTalokay I am unable to change the setting that URLs open in the application associated with the mime type of their contents
23:17.16dTalI change it, I hit apply, I close settings, I reopen, setting has reverted
23:17.23dTaland of course links still open incorrectly
23:17.41dTalthis is a massive security hole
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23:18.44JanKusanaginever had that issue
23:19.59JanKusanagijust changed to launch something else, works with that as expected, just after clicking Apply
23:20.04JanKusanaginot need to close anything
23:20.48JanKusanagiand back to Firefox with no issues
23:24.31MoesbieMy internal HDs automatically mounted with fstab shows empty path in dolphin. df shows they are there. How do I get dolphin to recognized the paths again? (It stopped after a recent update). I'm running KDE Plasma version 5.13.1 on archlinux. dolphin version 18.04.2
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23:48.28JanKusanagiI'm not sure what you mean... what's "shows empty path in Dolphin?
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23:50.38Moesbieso going to the directory that was hd is mounted to is blank in dolphin
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23:53.31MoesbieHere is a line of the result from df -h /dev/sdc1       3.7T  2.2T  1.6T  58% /home/me/HDs/D4TB
23:54.13fengshaunhi, I'm trying to copy and modify an existing .desktop file. I have copied the original (for emacs25.desktop) to .local/share/applications/somethingelse.desktop and have modified only the TryExec= and Exec= parts to add some arguments. However, now kde complains that the desktop file is not valid
23:54.17JanKusanagiand 'ls /home/me/HDs/D4TB' actually lists stuff?
23:54.23Moesbieyes
23:54.30fengshaunI have verified the file with desktop-file-validate and no errors come up
23:54.51fengshaunhow can I have kde recognize the new desktop file and be able to run it
23:54.52fengshaun?
23:54.57Moesbieand i can get to /home/me/HDs/D4TB in konsole, but if I go to /home/me/HDs in dolphin, it lists nothing
23:55.24JanKusanagiand /home/me lists something?
23:55.31Moesbiels /home/me/HDs/ lists my drives
23:55.36Moesbieyes
23:55.57JanKusanagiI mean, in Dolphin, /home/me shows files?
23:56.13Moesbieyes
23:57.03Jucatofengshaun: where/when is it complaining that it's invalid?
23:57.29JanKusanagiMoesbie: your drives should also appear in the side panel, in the "Devices" section, below "Places". Do they?
23:57.32fengshaunwhen I double click on it and click execute
23:57.36fengshaunJucato, ^
23:57.57fengshaunI get "The desktop entry file <location> is not valid"
23:57.58MoesbieThey do, and I can access files from there
23:59.06JanKusanagiso going to /home/me/HDs with Dolphin shows no files, right?
23:59.15Moesbiecorrect
23:59.20JanKusanagidid you try pressing F5?
23:59.36Moesbieyeah, nothing
23:59.59JanKusanagiI assume you didn't change any mount permissions of any kind, and there are no symlinks involved

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