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| 08:11.37 | vooras | I am having an issue where the keyboard input is not passed to the Kickstart Launcher when I use a keyboard shortcut to open it. Thus if I have Firefox open and then launch the launcher and start typing to find something it just inputs that text into whatever is active in firefox, |
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| 08:13.04 | vooras | The same happens when "presenting windows" |
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| 11:45.59 | Nekojimi | Hey, my plasmashell is crashing frequently and I'm having trouble getting the crash reporter to generate a backtrace, does anyone know what package has te debug symbols for it? |
| 11:46.33 | Nekojimi | I've installed plasma-desktop-dbgsym and plasma-workspace-dbgsym and it still can't get anything more than "segmentation fault" |
| 11:46.49 | Nekojimi | I'm on Debian Testing, btw |
| 11:56.23 | JanKusanagi | better to ask on Debian channels, probably |
| 12:00.09 | tuxick | well, i have same problem on ubuntu :) |
| 12:00.34 | tuxick | sometimes so bad i can't even ctrl-alt-fX to get console to restart it |
| 12:01.05 | JanKusanagi | yes, but "what package do I need to...?" is definitely distribution-related |
| 12:01.11 | tuxick | aah yes |
| 12:01.43 | tuxick | so rephrase: what tool is needed at all? |
| 12:02.23 | JanKusanagi | well, you could probably stop plasmashell with kquitapp5, and start it under gdb |
| 12:02.31 | tuxick | having to force reboot is a bit too much of a windows feeling |
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| 12:02.53 | JanKusanagi | that's much more than just "plasmashell crashing" |
| 12:03.03 | JanKusanagi | so your issue doesn't seem to be the same as Nekojimi's |
| 12:03.04 | tuxick | can kquitapp5 be run from console? |
| 12:03.25 | JanKusanagi | if can _only_ be run from a terminal of course, it's a CLI program |
| 12:03.30 | JanKusanagi | it's not a GUI of any kind |
| 12:03.31 | tuxick | oh ok |
| 12:03.58 | tuxick | will remember for next time |
| 12:04.07 | tuxick | with some luck i'd be able to ssh in |
| 12:04.14 | JanKusanagi | the idea is, you launch a Konsole or equivalent, run "kquitapp5 plasmashell", then your panels disappear |
| 12:04.26 | JanKusanagi | no, in your case, you'd do this _before_ any freezes |
| 12:04.41 | JanKusanagi | but if the whole system freezes, it's not going to be useful |
| 12:04.55 | JanKusanagi | you probably have graphic driver issues |
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| 12:29.40 | Nekojimi | My issue is that plasmashell crashes when I'm typing into the application launcher widget to searcg |
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| 12:29.52 | Nekojimi | Generally I can get about 4 letters in before it segfaults |
| 12:30.30 | Nekojimi | It's very reliable, although it seems that the number of letters varies depending on what I'm searching |
| 12:30.49 | Nekojimi | And it doesn't happen if the search reaches 0 results before it crashes |
| 12:35.16 | sunnyflunk | Nekojimi, sounds like the krunner bug. It was fixed and backported to some distributions |
| 12:36.05 | Nekojimi | Do you have a link to the bug page so I can see what version it was fixed in? :o |
| 12:36.48 | Nekojimi | Although, knowing Debian I'll probably be waiting a few months for the fix to reach me x_x |
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| 12:37.44 | Nekojimi | Debian Testing is the worst of both worlds, you get software too old to have the latest features but not old enough to not crash constantly |
| 12:38.49 | vooras | I am having an issue where the keyboard input is not passed to the Kickstart Launcher when I use a keyboard shortcut to open it. Thus if I have Firefox open and then launch the launcher and start typing to find something it just inputs that text into whatever is active in firefox, or whatever other application I was using prior to opening the launcher. The same happens when "presenting windows" or "Run command" I am using Fedora 27 |
| 12:38.49 | vooras | with KDE Plasma 5.12.5, and KDE Frameworks 5.46.0 |
| 12:40.24 | sunnyflunk | Nekojimi, https://cgit.kde.org/krunner.git/commit/?id=56382f8d9a80796a21d7087ddb660519fbbb5c2e only 5.46 had it, 5.47 will have the fix |
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| 12:42.49 | Nekojimi | sunnyflunk, thanks |
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| 13:49.54 | someone__ | Did sudo and dolphin problem been solved in 18.0.4.2 of KDE application version? |
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| 13:55.06 | JanKusanagi | 18.04.2 |
| 13:55.14 | JanKusanagi | but no, it's probably """fixed""" in 18.08 |
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| 13:55.42 | someone__ | :O |
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| 13:56.22 | someone__ | 18.08 Is that will be after a year? |
| 13:58.26 | JanKusanagi | that'll be in august, as the version number implies =) |
| 13:58.40 | JanKusanagi | and https://pointieststick.wordpress.com/2018/06/02/this-week-in-usability-productivity-part-21/ confirms the """fix""" is in 18.08 |
| 13:59.31 | someone__ | Thank you. |
| 14:00.09 | JanKusanagi | of course there's a chance that the change might have been backported to 18.04.2, or will be in 18.04.3 |
| 14:00.20 | JanKusanagi | you'd have to look at the changelogs in the release post for that |
| 14:01.20 | Fuchs | uh |
| 14:01.29 | Fuchs | note that the change that landed affects the root user, not sudo |
| 14:01.43 | Fuchs | using it as sudo will, as far as I am informed, still not be possible |
| 14:01.49 | Fuchs | *via |
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| 14:04.26 | someone__ | I'm using Kubuntu 16.04 , I want move to 18.04 but I'm not sure if Kde and Kubuntu 18.04 are stable. Is there a kde distro better than KUbuntu? |
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| 14:09.26 | jankusanagi_ | DSL crashed... |
| 14:09.34 | jankusanagi_ | as I was saying... |
| 14:09.38 | jankusanagi_ | kubuntu 18.04 probably comes with Plasma 5.12, which should be waaay more stable than whatever you have now |
| 14:10.40 | someone__ | Which distro is better with kde ? |
| 14:10.56 | Fuchs | someone__: matter of personal taste, mostly |
| 14:11.09 | Fuchs | those that do offer KDE software tend to offer rather well integrated KDE software |
| 14:11.40 | Fuchs | so the choice should probably depend on other things (package management, rolling release versus stable etc.) |
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| 14:12.34 | jankusanagi_ | Chakra and KaOS are really focused on the Plasma desktop, you could check those out |
| 14:12.44 | jankusanagi_ | I've always been very happy with Mageia |
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| 14:13.28 | someone__ | I have old problem with Ubuntu 16.04 , the wifi disconnect suddenly. and that is happened before seconds ago. |
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| 14:20.12 | someone__ | I will try other distros, but the main problem with linux distros is that some software are not available on some distros and some packages are available in RPM but not deb. |
| 14:20.22 | someone__ | I think they should from the begin agree on one package format or provide like .exe. |
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| 14:21.32 | stinky | excellent bouquet rob |
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| 14:28.52 | jankusanagi_ | someone__: hard to believe you haven't heard of Flatpak, Snap, and AppImage xD |
| 14:28.55 | tosky | someone__: why not upgrade to Ubuntu 18.04 first, before changing distribution? |
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| 14:55.42 | someone__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:57.40 | someone__ | tosky I will but I'm waiting for sudo and dolphin solution to release. |
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| 14:59.19 | tosky | someone__: my question is: is this missing feature (which won't arrive on stable ubuntu anyway) needed so many times to hold back the benefits coming from the other updates? |
| 14:59.21 | JanKusanagi | someone__: there's no logic in "agreeing to a format" |
| 14:59.37 | JanKusanagi | a .deb for distribution X won't necessarily work on distribution Y |
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| 14:59.46 | JanKusanagi | so the format is irrelevant |
| 15:00.29 | JanKusanagi | if a piece of software is not available in your distribution, ask them nicely if they can package it |
| 15:01.01 | JanKusanagi | several Mageia packages are there because I asked |
| 15:01.08 | JanKusanagi | some in Debian, too |
| 15:01.58 | JanKusanagi | and also, if a piece of software you want is not provided by the upstream authors as an appimage, or flatpack, or whatever, ask them to |
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| 15:08.07 | someone__ | Oracle database 11g are not available with .deb only RPM and I had to use alien to convert from .deb and RPM after reading a long lesson for that finally I was able to install it on ubuntu. |
| 15:08.51 | JanKusanagi | format is irrelevant |
| 15:09.10 | JanKusanagi | a .rpm for Mageia 6 won't necessarily work on openSUSE 15 |
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| 15:09.41 | JanKusanagi | or a openSUSE 15 .rpm on a RHEL $CURRENTVERSION |
| 15:10.03 | JanKusanagi | just like a Debian 9 .deb won't necessarily work on a Ubuntu 18.04, etc etc |
| 15:10.42 | rdieter | agrees, real (core) issue is simply too many distros |
| 15:10.46 | someone__ | I have to go . Thank you all and Have a nice day. |
| 15:11.03 | JanKusanagi | o/ |
| 15:11.22 | benrob0329 | We have distros that are literally just slight variations on other distros |
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| 15:11.42 | benrob0329 | rather than just having a more flexable installer |
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| 15:18.59 | gagbo | I still can't make differences between distributions |
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| 15:20.19 | JanKusanagi | well, if you've only used Ubuntu and derived stuff, you won't xD |
| 15:21.03 | gagbo | I actually never really tried ubuntu. I tried gentoo when I was too young, got scarred for life, and moved to Fedora |
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| 16:22.09 | mozzarella | guys |
| 16:22.33 | JanKusanagi | cheese |
| 16:23.18 | spacecase | are copy operation done under the plasma process? dolphin is using 0 CPU while plasma is upwards of 25% |
| 16:23.20 | mozzarella | I have to enable and disable Night Color manually because it doesn't work automatically as expected, why is this? |
| 16:23.35 | JanKusanagi | no, copy operations are up to the kioslaves |
| 16:23.44 | JanKusanagi | probably a "file.so" process |
| 16:23.59 | JanKusanagi | but Plasma's CPU usage might be up due to the animation in the panel |
| 16:24.09 | asturm | funny enough, copy from sftp drives my dolphin process crazy regularly... |
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| 16:24.55 | spacecase | idk if I like the sound of that... it seems to be the only thing using CPU right now though, so I guess it's not that bad? |
| 16:25.10 | spacecase | seems like a lot of cpu to draw a little spinning blue thing |
| 16:25.41 | JanKusanagi | depends on video drivers |
| 16:25.53 | JanKusanagi | in certain setups that doesn't use any cpu at all |
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| 16:34.48 | asturm | kills dolphin process again :) |
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| 16:37.42 | carl_ | Hi I am having problem with KDE, cant search an application from the search bar in the Kde menu, same problem when I try to put my password to open a program that need it like Synaptics, someone of you know how to solve this issue? No problems instead writing on the Terminal, browsers, notepad... I have debian stretch 64bit, the last stable version |
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| 16:41.36 | JanKusanagi | so... Plasma 5.8? |
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| 16:42.24 | JanKusanagi | did you alter the "steal focus prevention" settings, maybe? does that happen if you actually click on the entry field before you type? |
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| 16:45.08 | carl_ | JanKusanagi, steal focus? not sure but I dont think so. Yes there is no possibility to write anything in the entry firld |
| 16:45.12 | carl_ | field* |
| 16:45.41 | JanKusanagi | I've never seen that... |
| 16:45.44 | JanKusanagi | :\ |
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| 16:50.35 | carl_ | ok thanks |
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| 17:21.05 | weedmic | or - how do i edit the window before it is opened so that "borderless" is no longer checked |
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| 17:49.53 | utack_ | does anyone else have broken app indicators currently? |
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| 17:50.14 | utack_ | and my keyboard shortcuts stopped working too |
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| 18:05.04 | huftis | weatherhead: Try âAlt + F3â. |
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| 19:02.14 | MichaelOF | hi all. just seen a new (for me?) feature of Plasma: windows are aligning/sticking together, if you move them side by side. Nice, I love this small details of user-friendliness! As I just recently upgraded to OpenSuse 15.0, Plasma from 5.8.7 to 5.12.5, question: New plasma feature or missed by me? |
| 19:02.46 | JanKusanagi | if it's what I think, missed by you |
| 19:02.51 | JanKusanagi | maybe defaults changed |
| 19:02.59 | JanKusanagi | but maybe it's not the feature I'm thinking about :D |
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| 19:08.37 | Smithe | If I want to make a wallpaper on more resolutions what is the kde-equivalent of gnome-background xml file? |
| 19:09.38 | rdieter | Smithe: if you have a plasma install, you can look at examples under /usr/share/wallpapers (ie, look for metadata.desktop) |
| 19:10.36 | rdieter | Smithe: otherwise, can see here too https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-workspace-wallpapers.git/tree/Autumn/metadata.desktop |
| 19:11.14 | rdieter | good stuff is all under contents/ subdir |
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| 19:14.23 | MichaelOF | JanKusanagi: Hi, maybe because I'm missing the right word in English :-) I mean windows snap side by side, no overlap, no gap. nice, haven't recognized before |
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| 19:14.40 | JanKusanagi | yes, that's been there for ages, AFAIK |
| 19:14.52 | JanKusanagi | it's a KWin feature, and yes, it uses the word "snap" |
| 19:15.01 | JanKusanagi | maybe the defaults have changed (or openSUSE changed them now) |
| 19:15.07 | MichaelOF | ok :-) So maybe because I mostly the fullscreen guy :-) |
| 19:15.17 | MichaelOF | I'm |
| 19:15.22 | MichaelOF | thanks |
| 19:15.36 | JanKusanagi | yw! |
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| 19:36.54 | spacecase | how do I change the touchpad click method in KDE? I want to use fingers-based buttons rather than area. I'm thinking it's the click method in xinput? |
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| 19:38.19 | spacecase | https://hastebin.com/sagoyutexa.sql |
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| 20:24.13 | Smithe | How can I set KDE so that I see the two panels of gimp above all windows when gimp is above all? |
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| 20:44.08 | akik | Smithe: i've added the button to all windows which i can click so that it's kept above all others |
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| 20:45.26 | akik | Smithe: it's in application style/window decorations/buttons |
| 20:46.52 | lunarkitty7 | Is there an alternative to the expo style effect when you click on a stack of windows in a task manager stack? |
| 20:47.20 | lunarkitty7 | err, like if you have x number of windows from the same application |
| 20:48.11 | Smithe | akik, explain yourself better |
| 20:48.18 | Smithe | [22:43:37] <akik> Smithe: i've added the button to all windows which i can click so that it's kept above all others |
| 20:48.38 | akik | Smithe: after gimp has started, i click the "keep above" icon i've added to all windows |
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| 21:20.30 | JanKusanagi | or rather, you've added to the common window decoration |
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| 23:28.28 | SJr | Does plasma have the concept of screensavers still, and if so where can I get new ones? |
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| 23:30.27 | JanKusanagi | you can use the lockscreen as screensaver |
| 23:30.36 | JanKusanagi | (it has several modes) |
| 23:30.47 | JanKusanagi | if not, you can always just use xscreensaver |
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