| 00:00.02 | ic2000 | JanKusanagi: the minimised windows at the bottom , the applications open, how do i move them around like on windows |
| 00:00.17 | ic2000 | e.g. i want chrome to go to the left of spotify |
| 00:01.26 | JanKusanagi | I don't know how things are on MSWindows, but you can just drag the buttons ins the task manager |
| 00:01.40 | JanKusanagi | if you can't, you just have to go to its settings and set the order mode to "manually" |
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| 00:02.14 | ic2000 | JanKusanagi: where can i find those settings |
| 00:02.32 | JanKusanagi | (you get to the task manager settings by right-clicking on an empty part of it) |
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| 00:07.45 | ic2000 | JanKusanagi: tyvm |
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| 00:10.15 | JanKusanagi | I take it that's "thank you very much"... TIL! :D |
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| 02:26.06 | anarcho | Hi! Does KDEConnect work in a virtualbox? Thanks |
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| 07:45.35 | damke | https://imgur.com/a/uzbIhME |
| 07:45.43 | damke | why does "Appearance" in the image look off? |
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| 08:10.43 | damke | I'm on Arch Linux, btw |
| 08:10.53 | damke | version 5.12.5 |
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| 08:57.13 | kishore96_ | damke: Have you enabled anti-aliasing? Looks like a font rendering issue. The relevant checkbox should be in 'fonts'. |
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| 09:08.13 | Triffid_Hunter | hmm this is weird.. when viewing http://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stns01.pdf in Okular, in Table 2 on page 6 there are supposed to be µ symbols but they're not displayed. They show up in print preview and if I text-select they're copied however |
| 09:08.40 | Triffid_Hunter | why would they show up in print preview but not normal reading mode? |
| 09:11.06 | akik | i can trigger the "grab window automatically into move mode" by first clicking konsole in left display (1) and then clicking either menu bar or tab bar of firefox in right display (2). is there any fix for this window grabbing? |
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| 09:13.40 | akik | now that i wrote that message, it doesn't happen any more :P |
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| 09:30.58 | n4mu | Aha, I found it ! |
| 09:31.14 | n4mu | JanKusanagi: I found my issue, how to reproduce it and so on. |
| 09:31.24 | akik | the problem is that my problem happens randomly |
| 09:31.32 | akik | when i don't expect it |
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| 09:31.52 | n4mu | In short, the issue was that krunner and kmenu were not showing, they would "immediatly disapear". |
| 09:32.37 | n4mu | We tried disabling effects and such, but no change in behaviour. After leaving it be for the night, I recalled that I changed "focus stealing prevention" from "medium" to "high" |
| 09:32.50 | n4mu | There seems to be a bug with "high" |
| 09:33.07 | asturm | yes there is |
| 09:33.35 | akik | what does focus stealing prevention do? |
| 09:33.48 | n4mu | I recall a while back, a killer feature with KDE, some kind of smart focus theft prevention, I can't get it back to how it used to work. |
| 09:34.29 | akik | oh there was the description behind the ? |
| 09:34.33 | n4mu | akik: for example, I open Firefox, but it takes a few seconds to open, in the meantime, I start typing in a terminal. Focus stealing prevention stops the FF from opening in front and capturing what I wanted to type in the terminal |
| 09:35.38 | n4mu | so the "smart" focus prevention thing did something like; If I'm not doing anything, the new window goes in front and takes focus. If I am doing something, then the new windows shouldn't go in front, they should avoid "stealing focus". |
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| 09:36.58 | akik | aha, in window actions, there was a setting "pass click" for left, middle and right buttons. i removed it and just left activate & raise. now i don't get that automatic window drag (move) any more |
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| 09:39.47 | n4mu | For me, the focus stealing thing is important, because with a slow/overloaded computer, you want to avoid windows popping up while you're typing in a window. Perhaps we were very few users using this. |
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| 10:34.47 | batteronizer | Hi what's the use of the Twitter account type and YouTube under Google account type in Online Accounts? |
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| 10:52.37 | JurisLaivins[m] | Hello guys ! |
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| 11:03.39 | comradekingu | heia |
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| 11:17.55 | tuxick | lo, spent hours trying to find it, *where* on earth is konsole told to use --noclose when opened via ssh:// link? |
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| 11:18.12 | tuxick | looks like the best kept secret of kde ever |
| 11:23.10 | tuxick | it's a rather annoying 'feature' that seems to be added to ubuntu 18.04 |
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| 11:27.12 | akik | tuxick: just a curiosity, where do you manage the ssh:// links? |
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| 11:33.08 | tuxick | akik: not sure what you, but we have a documentation system where i get such links in browser |
| 11:34.38 | tuxick | and afaict those are passed to/trough some generic xdg settings |
| 11:34.57 | tuxick | it's all very obscure to me |
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| 11:35.50 | tuxick | net effect is i get "konsole --noclose -e ssh -l username host.ip", which means konsole just hangs there when i end ssh session |
| 11:35.54 | tuxick | very annoying |
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| 11:46.30 | akik | tuxick: i found a reference to konsole --noclose in konfigurator.docbook. it talks about "The default terminal is |
| 11:46.33 | akik | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.35 | akik | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.12 | tuxick | ah, so i got to ToysRUs? |
| 11:48.25 | akik | probably :) |
| 11:48.58 | tuxick | 'll ask for HeMan then |
| 11:50.03 | tuxick | 'default' is already obscure, since if i start konsole from menu there is no --noclose -e ssh |
| 11:50.12 | tuxick | so where is this added at all |
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| 11:52.13 | akik | tuxick: it seems to be in Konfigurator |
| 11:52.20 | janat08 | i set cursor size to 24, but once it changes in some other application it switches back |
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| 11:52.33 | janat08 | Like hovering over input |
| 11:53.42 | akik | https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-utils/krusader/useractions.html |
| 11:54.09 | akik | still looking for that konfigurator |
| 11:54.14 | tuxick | me too |
| 11:54.18 | tuxick | another secret :) |
| 11:56.24 | akik | ah it's actually krusader |
| 11:56.40 | akik | a whole new world :) |
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| 11:57.41 | akik | i found this string in actionman/user actions: terminal for useractions: https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-utils/krusader/useractions.html |
| 11:57.50 | akik | well that was a miss |
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| 11:57.57 | akik | konsole --noclose --workdir %d --title %t -e |
| 11:58.22 | akik | i'm baffled. now krusader is a two pane file manager |
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| 11:58.54 | tuxick | i have no command 'krusader' either |
| 11:59.03 | akik | ah ok the menu is in settings/configure krusader |
| 11:59.33 | tuxick | settings where? |
| 11:59.56 | akik | tuxick: in krusader |
| 12:00.04 | tuxick | i have no command krusader |
| 12:00.13 | akik | ok no idea then :( |
| 12:00.25 | tuxick | but that's just a file manager |
| 12:00.44 | tuxick | since i don't have it installed, i'd say it can't have messed up my konsole settings |
| 12:00.51 | akik | the user actions can be accessed through it |
| 12:01.02 | tuxick | hmm ok, lessess |
| 12:01.28 | tuxick | logic suggests it's somewhere in "system settings" |
| 12:01.34 | tuxick | but if so, very well hidden |
| 12:01.49 | akik | yea first time i've even seen that program |
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| 12:03.21 | tuxick | well i knew dolphin |
| 12:03.26 | tuxick | but no fan of that |
| 12:04.21 | janat08 | why does my cursor change size when hovering over input and stuff |
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| 12:04.32 | tuxick | anyway, doesn't like like krusader config would affect konsole defaults |
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| 12:04.36 | tuxick | look like |
| 12:04.41 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
| 12:04.47 | akik | tuxick: konsole --noclose was there |
| 12:05.12 | tuxick | yes, but i'm pretty sure you'll find it's no global |
| 12:05.17 | akik | but not sure if that's what gets run for you if you don't have krusader even installed |
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| 12:06.21 | tuxick | *somewhere* there's a translation between xdg/x-terminal-emulator and konsole |
| 12:06.26 | tuxick | im' just guessing |
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| 12:06.31 | tuxick | since it's 100% obscure |
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| 12:21.16 | tuxick | i could live with editing konsolerc but that too doesn't seem to be the place |
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| 12:32.52 | jozo | kello in kde 5 how can I change switch effect when pressed alt+tab ? |
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| 12:54.40 | lordievader | jozo: System settings -> Window Management -> Task Switcher |
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| 13:15.24 | jozo | lordievader: thanks |
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| 13:52.59 | victorbrca | Anyone ever had issues with user systemd services and plasma shell locking up? |
| 13:53.27 | victorbrca | I have a few user services, and it seems that whenever I start them my desktop freezes. |
| 13:53.43 | victorbrca | Restarting plasmashell fixes the freeze. |
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| 13:59.11 | rdieter | victorbrca: not here, I have pulseaudio running as user service (that's actually the default on f28 now) |
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| 13:59.41 | rdieter | may depend on what your user services are doing exactly |
| 13:59.55 | victorbrca | On my latptop the same services work without issue. But on my desktop it always freezes plasma. |
| 14:01.28 | victorbrca | They are all 'Type=simple' and are calling a shell script with a while loop. |
| 14:03.42 | victorbrca | https://pastebin.com/mhbxz5YZ |
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| 14:06.33 | victorbrca | And the script itself - https://pastebin.com/9BDNt7ab |
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| 17:42.48 | pedahzur | Howdy! I've recently upgraded from Kubuntu 16.04 to Kubuntu 18.04. Seems ksnapshot has been deprecated, and spectacle is installed. When I try to give it a shortcut of the PrtScrn key, it tells me that conflicts with "Shortcut 'Print' in Application KDE Daemon for action Start Screenshot Tool." If I go in to the system config, I do see that shortcut assigned, but hitting Print Screen does nothing. How do I tell KDE Daemon that the screen |
| 17:42.50 | pedahzur | shot utility is now spectacle? |
| 17:42.57 | asturm_ | for some time already yes |
| 17:43.20 | asturm_ | this appears to be an upgrade issue |
| 17:44.10 | asturm_ | the simplest fix, if you do not have extensive custom shortcuts defined, is to remove the khotkeyrc file from .config/ directory |
| 17:44.22 | asturm_ | (while logged out) |
| 17:44.51 | pedahzur | asturm_: Well, I don't want to blow that away, and the menu editor kindly offers to reassign...I just wondered how I could tell the KDE Daemon to use the new program. |
| 17:45.11 | pedahzur | If there is no easy fix, I'll just have the menu editor reassign the short cut. |
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| 17:47.47 | pedahzur | Interesting. Under Data_2 (Shortcuts for taking screen shots) in khotkeysrc, it does point to spectacle, so... don't know. |
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| 17:55.25 | oprypin | pedahzur, here's what i have https://bpaste.net/show/e1476695e801 |
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| 17:55.54 | oprypin | not sure what you mean by menu editor |
| 17:56.13 | oprypin | you go to "custom keyboard shortcuts" to set this type of shortcut |
| 17:56.26 | pedahzur | oprypin: Right-click on the "K" menu, and click "Edit Applications" |
| 17:56.33 | oprypin | thaat's not right |
| 17:56.57 | pedahzur | oprypin: What's not right? :) |
| 17:57.04 | pedahzur | Yeah, that snippet looks like what I have. |
| 17:57.09 | oprypin | using menu editor to set up shortcuts to actions |
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| 17:58.18 | pedahzur | Wasn't setting a shortcut for an action, I was setting a shortcut to 'spectacle' since nothing was coming up when I hit Print Screen. |
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| 18:35.35 | jankusanagi_ | using the menu editor to set up shortcuts to programs is very normal, and very convenient =) |
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| 18:42.17 | pedahzur | Yeah, I might just override the Daemon setting. |
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| 20:02.25 | veqz | does anyone know of a good linux host provider? preferably in europe? |
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| 20:05.22 | jfmcarreira | Heyy guys. What happen with the brightness control in KDE? |
| 20:06.37 | rdieter | jfmcarreira: can you be more specific? |
| 20:07.04 | rdieter | (withtout context, I'd say "nothing" has happened) |
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| 20:12.22 | jfmcarreira | It is not working properly. The slider does not show the real value, and when I change it it takes a while after the change take effect |
| 20:12.31 | jfmcarreira | Idk if it is a kde problem or a os problem |
| 20:15.52 | rdieter | jfmcarreira: do you have hybrid graphics? |
| 20:16.19 | rdieter | (I do, and that is tricky to setup, I ended up blacklisting the nvidia stuff in favor of intel) |
| 20:16.57 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 20:37.47 | oprypin | veqz, vultr if you mean VPS |
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| 20:41.28 | lennox | vultr was pretty much ass when i tried them out, ymmv |
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| 20:42.47 | jfmcarreira | Rdieter no just Intel one. I do not use xorg Intel I use the modestting |
| 20:42.56 | jfmcarreira | I am on gentoo |
| 20:44.18 | veqz | oprypin: thanks. I'll add it to the list I'm checking out |
| 20:44.52 | oprypin | lennox, must be a parallel universe |
| 20:45.49 | LazyGnoll | vultr works fine for me, but DO now has competitive prices too, and hetzner is even cheaper now I think |
| 20:45.58 | LazyGnoll | there's also ovh... |
| 20:46.05 | LazyGnoll | there's a lot to choose from I guess |
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| 20:47.32 | oprypin | vultr supports any OS you put on it, unlike DO |
| 20:48.47 | thiago | is a happy customer of both vultr and hetzner |
| 20:49.13 | thiago | the main reason I'm now using vultr, though, is the US DCs |
| 20:49.34 | thiago | the other is the block storage in the NY/NJ DC |
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| 21:04.59 | pedahzur | I think Rackspace has a EU presence. :) |
| 21:05.28 | pedahzur | veqz: https://blog.linode.com/category/datacenters/ They have EU DCs. |
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| 21:10.05 | veqz | thanks |
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| 21:12.02 | rdorsch | When I try to logout of KDE, I get the message that nheko blocks logging out (translated back to English). When I try to logout again, logging out works. |
| 21:12.38 | rdorsch | Can anybody tell how I can fix that behavior....logging out always twice sicne nheko is running is annoying :-/ |
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| 21:16.44 | lennox | oprypin: not really, did some testing with their |
| 21:17.04 | lennox | er boost modes for when you need more cpu can upgrade it on the live supposedly |
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| 21:17.37 | lennox | do, linode and fdc all compiled faster on the lowest teir vps's than vultr's boost to max |
| 21:18.55 | lennox | they arent terrible by any means, but wouldnt be my first recommendation |
| 21:19.14 | lennox | if you want terrible check out datashack or whatever they are named now |
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| 21:45.53 | Acheron | well i can see now why Mint stopped working with KDE |
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| 21:47.15 | Acheron | its just too scatterbrained, missing docs or years old for some KDE apps, bug fixes that go unattended to for years |
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| 21:48.14 | rdieter | Acheron: welcome to free software, no one is immune to that |
| 21:48.44 | Acheron | yeah but Mint and GTK are better done |
| 21:48.50 | Acheron | i got spoiled with Mint |
| 21:49.07 | jankusanagi_ | GTK better done |
| 21:49.09 | jankusanagi_ | xDDDD |
| 21:49.14 | jankusanagi_ | :') |
| 21:49.25 | Acheron | like there are 730 people in here idling, that says it all about KDE |
| 21:49.33 | Acheron | its just dead |
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| 21:50.50 | rdieter | nice troll |
| 21:51.01 | Two_Dogs | someone does not appreciate kde, i can tell |
| 21:51.59 | Two_Dogs | kde user here since noah was a bootcamp |
| 21:54.22 | Two_Dogs | while i am here, i am on plasma-wayland, osuse-tw, on wayland only i notice i cant trigger yakuake with mouse action(top of screen), is that the mouse or yakuake? |
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| 21:58.41 | jankusanagi_ | sounds like one of the Plasma Wayland showstoppers |
| 21:59.07 | jankusanagi_ | under Wayland, probably Yakuake cannot know where the mouse is when it's outside of its window |
| 21:59.41 | jankusanagi_ | so it probably needs (new?) API in KWin or something, to do the equivalent check |
| 22:06.18 | jfmcarreira | heyy guys. Why isnt my user show in account information in system settings |
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| 22:16.59 | Two_Dogs | jankusanagi_: thank you |
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| 22:20.28 | hq1_ | Hi, I'd like to donate to KDE, but the website (relate.kde.org) renders errors on submit; the errors refer to credit card validation (e.g. invalid CCV and stuff), even though I selected PayPal (it won't redirect me to paypal). I've sent a screenshot to the contact info linked, but that happened to be a mailing list, so I deleted my post in fear of it turning public (some personal data included on the |
| 22:20.29 | hq1_ | screenshot). What can I do? |
| 22:22.35 | hq1_ | Please fix the donations page, it should just work, esp. with a third party broker like PayPal. I'm on plasma 5.12.5, Firefox 60.0, no fancy plugins except for Cookie AutoDelete and uBlock Origin. |
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| 22:28.35 | hq1 | I don't use IRC much but please /query me, if you're the right person to help. I have a znc session here, so that should work. Cheers! |
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| 23:12.39 | lowki | Hi all.. is there a fix to make KDE see Samba shares that are on my network ? Everything else on my network can access? |
| 23:13.59 | jankusanagi_ | what do you get if on Dolphin you click on the """address bar""", remove the whole thing and enter "smb:"? |
| 23:14.20 | lowki | hang on |
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