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00:22.36*** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.12 and KDE Applications 18.04 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config
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00:30.35TrelHow can I get a frame on GTK windows, such as Firefox for resizing purposes?
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00:38.26JanKusanagiFF has an option for that itself
00:38.39JanKusanagiotherwise, Kwin's specific window rules
00:38.57JanKusanagialt-f3 → More actions → Special Window Settings
00:39.01TrelJanKusanagi: are you sure firefox has an option for that, I can't see anything like it
00:39.05JanKusanagi(also, Special Application Settings)
00:39.14JanKusanagiyes, FF has it in the "Customize" mode
00:39.25JanKusanagi(FF 60, that is)
00:40.08TrelI have Firefox 60 and I don't see any option that looks like that.  Unless you mean Drag Space which just adds like 2 pixels to the top of the window, nowhere else.
00:40.19Treland doesn't give resize handles btw
00:40.21ZrenTrel, Alt+RightClick can resize any window
00:40.33TrelYes, but I'm talking specifically about the frame
00:40.46Zrenah k
00:40.50TrelI've been using the alt method for now
00:41.56TrelAny idea what setting I'm looking for in the special window settings?  I see one that looks like it does the inverse of what I want
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00:43.48JanKusanagiapprearance and fixes tab, first option
00:44.07TrelThat's the inverse
00:44.11JanKusanagi"no titlebar and frame", forced to "no"
00:44.23JanKusanagisure, that's why you force it to "no" xD
00:44.55JanKusanagibut my FF 60 has the option to use a sane window border (leaving it up to the window manager, that is)
00:45.10TrelI forced it to now, but that forces both title bar AND border
00:45.58JanKusanagiah, I thought that was obvious xD
00:46.00TrelMy goal is to have firefox without the titlebar, but WITH a border for easy resizing.
00:46.08Trelwhen not maximized of course
00:46.37TrelThe alt+right click method works, but I don't always have two hands when I need to resize, such as when I'm presenting something, etc
00:51.13fbg13Trel i can resize gtk apps when using Adapta theme for gtk apps
00:51.21fbg13but not with breeze
00:51.31Trelfbg13: including Firefox with the titlebar disabled?
00:51.49fbg13yes
00:52.11TrelHmm, let me try that as a test
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00:52.57Trelnope, same thing, nothing to grab to resize with
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00:53.43fbg13did you restart firefox?
00:54.21TrelI opened it after, I didn't open, close and open it
00:55.10Trel(Firefox isn't open at the moment, unless I'm checking, so it wasn't opened when I changed window decorations)
00:59.11fbg13Trel Application Style > Gnome Application Style, you set it there?
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01:01.44Treloops, I only changed the gtk2, not 3.  That changed it for firefox, so it looks like it IS something with breeze then :\
01:03.42TrelCan't say it fixed it since it still breaks with breeze, but I test with one of the others that it had and it does show a border
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06:36.38javierfdez[m]Hi all
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06:44.37preiskeHi folks, anyone else experiencing the problem, that KMail with an Exchange Account for receiving emails is not starting up correctly? The account is offline (says "Server not availbale" in the settings) until I restart the Exchange-IMAP-Entry.
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06:49.51preiskeNot sure if this might be a network problem since I need a VPN connection to connect to the server. Always started KMail right up but now that I rebooted and waited for a few seconds, it seemed to work. Will observe this and come again... bye
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08:38.03JyZyXELdoes kmail automatically try decrypting PGP encrypted emails?
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08:43.14aheineckeJyZyXEL: You can configure KMail to do that. But we received that "EFail" Paper you are asking about in advance and neither we nor the "Researcher" saw a real vulnerability in KMail.
08:43.30aheineckeAlso see a note from our crypto backend about this: https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2018-May/060315.html
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10:34.30epicmetalAre Slackware users supported here (KDE 4.x)?
10:34.44shtrb|laptop!ask
10:35.04epicmetalshtrb|laptop: that was the actual question. I'm not currently running Slackware, just curious.
10:35.08Fuchsepicmetal: distro should not matter, olde version of KDE might as people might simply not have it to test
10:35.18shtrb|laptopbut aslo make sure to ask in #slackware
10:35.35shtrb|laptopor what ever channel exist for it
10:35.37epicmetalOk
10:35.52shtrb|laptopAnd a nice dist choice :)
10:36.09epicmetalI'm consdering it... probably won't but who knows
10:36.14epicmetalI've run it before, though
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10:40.34BluesKajHowdy folks
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13:11.34gulzarI am on archlinux
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15:42.17PlasmaHHHi, after a few months I have update and rebooted my system and now kde konsole (and thus yakuake and all use that kpart) have an increased line spacing. I have checked the settings dialogue, but it shows 0 there, is there anywhere else a setting that gets added or a system default or so?
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17:39.06Ozymandias42hey, quick question. is there a way to autohide scrollbars in plasma?
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17:40.33tsarompynot that i know of
17:41.07Ozymandias42that’s what googling resulted in too. that’s unfortunate.
17:41.19tsarompysince when can you not configure oxygen anymore
17:41.22tsarompywhat tf
17:41.51tsarompyalso broken: changing the font of desktop icons and kwin title bars
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18:20.42HiddenTundraAfternoon everyone, I was wondering if there was a way to suppress window notifications, as in, when something happens in a window and it turns yellow on the panel. And if there is such a feature, is it possible to restrict it to only a few wnidows?
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19:10.19jankusanagi_Kwin rox :D
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19:36.15tsarompyany suggestions on a start menu for kde
19:37.45jankusanagi_Plasma has 3 "default" application menus, just try them
19:37.55tsarompyi have
19:37.58tsarompyi hate them all
19:38.01jankusanagi_I'm happy with "Application Menu", aka "classic"
19:38.12tsarompyits buggy af
19:38.15jankusanagi_if you hate all 3 "defaults", I cannot imagine what you'd like
19:38.19tsarompylol
19:38.20jankusanagi_not buggy here
19:38.22jankusanagi_works like a charm
19:38.31tsarompyi miss the old kde3 kicker menu
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19:39.30tsarompyi just wish that like, it rendered it as an actual menu not as a plasmoid
19:41.00instoogentalltsarompy: try the one called Simple Menu
19:42.39tsarompyi did lol
19:42.41tsarompyits okay
19:42.53tsarompyi just mapped gmrun to meta+f2
19:42.55tsarompyit works fine for me
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20:18.29pedahzurGetting this error with the sftp KIO client. KDE 5.36 Has this been fixed in a later version? kex error : no match for method kex algos: server [diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256], client [curve25519-sha256@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1]  The ssh public key in the known_hosts starts out: "[host name]:2222,[host ip]:2222 ssh-rsa AAAAB3N....."
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20:19.58jankusanagi_current Frameworks is 5.46, so I'd say it's highly possible
20:20.11toskypedahzur: the version that you mentioned is the version of Frameworks, and I strongly suspect that it's not related to it
20:20.21toskyI think it's something in some underlying library
20:20.33pedahzurtosky: Very possible.
20:21.15pedahzurtosky: I do know a while back the sftp KIO module was having trouble with some newer SSH key algorithms...don't know if this error is related to that.
20:21.19jankusanagi_maybe Qt itself, or openSSL...
20:21.43jankusanagi_maybe you're missing some openssl plugins
20:22.10toskypedahzur: it uses a library called libssh
20:22.13jankusanagi_I might be getting that mixed up with the QCA plugins
20:22.15jankusanagi_:D
20:22.23toskyno, it does not use them
20:22.29tosky(note for self: it was said here that it never happened that the version of Frameworks was used as the version of KDE, vs using Plasma)
20:22.59jankusanagi_hehe, very true xD
20:23.12toskyabout sftp, see the library usde https://cgit.kde.org/kio-extras.git/tree/CMakeLists.txt#n85
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20:24.12pedahzurii  libssh-4:amd64                                  0.6.3-4.3                                                amd64        tiny C SSH library (OpenSSL flavor)
20:24.26pedahzurii  libssh-gcrypt-4:amd64                           0.6.3-4.3                                                amd64        tiny C SSH library (gcrypt flavor)
20:24.31pedahzuris also installed.
20:25.05gschanuelhello
20:25.36gschanueli'm having an issue with krdc. When I try to RDP my servers, it asks me for username and password, but then just closes the connection
20:25.44toskypedahzur: that seems to be the problem, at least by reading this issue on another software, but still related to libssh: https://github.com/ashkulz/NppFTP/issues/31#issuecomment-106783612
20:26.17gschanueli'm running archlinux with krdc 18.04.1 with freerdp 1:2.0.0_rc2-2
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20:27.21pedahzurtosky: That comment is from May 29, 2015. THAT is not encouraging. :D
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20:28.51toskypedahzur: it says that codec is not available in 0.7.0, and you have 0.6.4
20:29.09toskys/codec/algorithm/
20:30.11pedahzurtosky: I was referring to the fact that it seemed to be such an old bug...and still around. :)  At least bionic appears to come with 0.8.0. Hopefully it has been added to that. :)
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20:52.40gschanuelkrdc ideas?
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21:00.19toskygschanuel: no, apart from the usual troubleshooting: do other applications which links to the same library (freerdp) work?
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21:12.37gschanueltosky, i tried only to open freerdp on it's on
21:12.40gschanueland it worked fine
21:14.06gschanueli also tried kdebugdialog, slected only krdc, but I have no .xsession_error file
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21:21.48jankusanagi_you might have a ~/.local/share/sddm/xorg-session.log
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21:23.27alsetemaHello guys , I am having trouble with kdes volume control. Kmix doesnt seem to launch. If i launch it it simply closes, same if I try in Konsole, it will simply prompt me back
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21:24.36jankusanagi_well, launching kmix usually just results in the KMix icon appearing in the system tray
21:24.50alsetemaI dont seem to have that icon either
21:25.20alsetemaMaybe Im missing that part in the tray?
21:26.29jankusanagi_you might have stuff hidden "under" the ^ symbol
21:26.49jankusanagi_also, the system tray settings allow selecting what gets hidden
21:26.59jankusanagi_or to ensure nothing ever hides
21:27.06alsetemaI was taking a look in the widgets and apparently I didnt have the system tray added
21:27.25alsetemaBut I can see the volume bar now, thanks :D
21:28.01alsetemaone more thing... What could be the cause of my fn+ brightness buttons not working?
21:30.42alsetemaAlso, thank you btw, jankusanagi_
21:30.49jankusanagi_that's probably the laptop manufacturer being non-standard
21:31.13jankusanagi_you could launch "xev" and check what's printed in the terminal when you press those keys
21:32.27alsetemaI mean, I also have XFCE installed and there it will work
21:32.56alsetemaApparently xev is not a command I can run nor install
21:33.13toskygschanuel: kdebugdialog is for kdelibs 4.x application and Qt 5 applications not ported to the categorized logging system; you should use kdebugsettings
21:33.19alsetemaNvm, it was under another name
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21:33.58alsetemaxev is printing a lot information to the konsole as well as opening a small window with a box
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21:36.32gschanuelkrdc does not show in kdebugsettings
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21:41.51gschanuels/does not show/is not shown
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21:49.34rdorschHi, when I try to switch user (Debian buster, Plasma 5.12.5) I always get to the lock screen of my account and cannot start a second session.
21:49.52rdorschDoes anybody have any idea what could go wrong here?
21:53.26alsetemaI have no idea.. try disabling display managers
21:53.39alsetemaand enabling them once again
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21:57.08rdorschHmm...disabling sddm (?)
21:57.16rdorschHow would you do that?
21:57.47rdorschIf the second session would fail to start is there any log file which would contain some information?
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