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00:21.37 | *** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.12 and KDE Applications 18.04 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config |
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01:11.53 | Stavr | hi! For the life of me, I cannot find the setting to hide the ugly html status bar on kmail 5.8.0. I'm pretty certain I disabled this before. Any suggestion? |
01:13.44 | thiago | it'sthere somewhere |
01:13.48 | thiago | I know because I disabled it too |
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01:24.32 | adam5 | hey. i have proof, verifiable proof we are in the matrix http://adioha.s.lamc.la ... #far? that means we can "find and replace" cancer and AIDS and not doing that is "evil" IMHO, http://kansa.s.lamc.la ... and make bullets drop in midair like in the Matrix, http://arrr.s.lamc.la and Minority Report. These things, these movies, part of the message. http://fromthemachine.org/SEVENTY.html -- I need help gaming reddit, and whatever else you guys can think of, email m |
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01:53.26 | Stavr | thiago: sure you are on 5.8.0? |
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02:58.25 | fareast | kde is so much better than cinnamon |
02:58.58 | fareast | after using it going to cinnamon and now back to kde I now understand why. |
02:59.48 | SunnyDayWork | fareast, I've just moved from cinnamon too fareast |
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03:18.59 | fareast | yay move to kde |
03:20.17 | fareast | I mean anything works but fundamental daily tasks are available in kde where cinnamon lacks them. |
03:20.54 | fareast | I don't know if this is true but I recall clicking onto the clock and not having it show a calendar.... |
03:21.13 | fareast | alot of things left me going wtf.... |
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03:56.08 | SunnyDayWork | I'm just switching for a change and some extra prettier. The trouble with debian stable is well..... it's stable. So today I'm living dangerously (sorta) |
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09:05.34 | bigfoot- | Hi. I'm using plasma 5.12.4 (Ubuntu 18.04), and for some reason I cannot resize "evince" windows: I simply don't get the "resize" mouse cursor when moving in the e.g. lower right corner of the window. Resizing windows of other programs works just fine. Ideas how to debug this? |
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09:07.56 | Fuchs | bigfoot-: alt+right mouse should resize unless the application tells the WM not to (xprop will show that) |
09:08.19 | Fuchs | bigfoot-: my best guess is that it doesn't have boarders due to some GTK3 hacks, but the above should work, unless evince says it can't be resized |
09:09.00 | bigfoot- | Fuchs: alt+right mouse works, thanks. Interestingly this worked "normally" not too long ago ... |
09:09.43 | Fuchs | bigfoot-: I think there is a setting in the window deco to force size handlers, but personally I don't use many GTK3 apps, so I wouldn't know |
09:10.28 | Fuchs | thing is that they switched to client side decorations, so the application draws its window borders, which looks odd under a window manager which draws some as well, so I think there are some hacks to prevent that, which might affect size handlers. But that's just a guess |
09:10.38 | Fuchs | feel free to use the alt thing, it's faster (and works on all windows) |
09:10.46 | Fuchs | also alt+left will move the window, also handy. |
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09:13.42 | bigfoot- | Fuchs: I know the latter, but that's just one more key combo I need to memorize ;-) I thought that's what window decorations + borders were there for |
09:14.52 | Fuchs | well yes, personally I prefer the combo because mouse aiming is slow and cumbersome. See if that setting fixes it, otherwise consider asking kwin people (#plasma, I think) |
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09:16.59 | bigfoot- | I haven't found that window decoration setting yet |
09:17.41 | bigfoot- | I'll ask in #plasma, thanks. |
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09:20.09 | Fuchs | bigfoot-: https://imgur.com/a/vamIX0t the highlighted one (sorry for German) |
09:22.13 | bigfoot- | Fuchs: thx. German is no problem here. |
09:22.24 | Fuchs | oh, yes |
09:22.30 | Fuchs | gecos suggests you do understand that :p |
09:22.38 | Fuchs | anyway, try that setting |
09:25.43 | bigfoot- | Interestingly, I'm using "Plastik" -- which simply doesn't have that setting. |
09:25.51 | Fuchs | oh |
09:25.55 | Fuchs | yeah |
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13:14.45 | achillion | What's required to have a music/audio application show up in the systray Media Player widget? Does just have to interface with dbus? |
13:15.54 | Fuchs | achillion: has to support mpris |
13:16.06 | Fuchs | which is via d-bus, but standardized |
13:16.06 | achillion | Fuchs: thanks! |
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13:16.15 | achillion | sounds good |
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13:31.55 | oct2pus | X is no longer being improved upon, but how was Nvidia on Kde 5.11? I'd rather swap off gnome but i had graphical glitches in the past with kde (around ~5.8 or so) |
13:32.30 | JanKusanagi | *Plasma 5.11 :p |
13:33.11 | JanKusanagi | and as long as you don't want to use Plasma on Wayland with the Nvidia proprietary driver, you'll probably be fine |
13:33.26 | Fuchs | 5.12 works fine for me with nvidia, I don't think 5.11 was much worse |
13:33.26 | achillion | oct2pus: what kind of glitches? |
13:33.58 | achillion | I've been running Plasma on nVidia for a few years now. I think there were some glitchy effects at times, but they usually get fixed after a version or two |
13:34.15 | oct2pus | mostly problems with compositing as well as flickering (im trying to remember specifics, but changing one graphical setting to different one fixed the flickering) |
13:34.31 | achillion | I think I remember similar kinds of things |
13:34.45 | achillion | like weird artefacts when switching into desktop-wall |
13:34.57 | achillion | or flickering when sliding across workspaces/desktops |
13:35.22 | achillion | but in the last couple of years it's been insanely stable for me |
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13:36.40 | oct2pus | oh well thanks for the advice, im probably gonna reinstall debian testing and get a fresh start, but looking forward to being free of gnome again :) |
13:37.31 | oct2pus | i know debian is intentionally conservative with upgrading, but do they specifically wait for LTS releases to upgrade a package or does it still slow-roll in testing/sid? |
13:37.50 | oct2pus | upgrade the kde desktop and related packages* |
13:39.08 | JanKusanagi | Debian Sid has quite current Plasma |
13:39.31 | JanKusanagi | and they had Plasma 5.10 at one point, so no, no LTS required for Sid |
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13:41.16 | oct2pus | gotcha :) |
13:41.22 | oct2pus | ty Jan and Achillion |
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14:10.10 | Dragnslcr | Hello, using Kubuntu 17.10. When I try to connect to a Windows desktop with KRDC, I get "Connection failed. You might have passed a wrong address or username". The plain rdesktop program connects fine. Any ideas? |
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14:48.24 | hateball | Dragnslcr: maybe an old incorrect password saved in kwallet? |
14:48.34 | hateball | as krdc by default will store/use that |
14:49.19 | Dragnslcr | I had never connected to that desktop before, so I wouldn't think so, but I can check the wallet |
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14:52.45 | Dragnslcr | I don't see the host in the KRDC folder in the wallet |
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14:54.59 | Dragnslcr | It does ask for my password when I try to connect, so I don't think it's using anything from the wallet |
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15:01.04 | hateball | hmmm |
15:01.11 | hateball | Dragnslcr: anything if you launch krdc from terminal? |
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15:01.55 | Dragnslcr | Nope, and I didn't see an option for debug messages in --help |
15:02.28 | Dragnslcr | rdesktop gives two messages, though |
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15:02.42 | Dragnslcr | "ERROR: CredSSP: Initialize failed, do you have correct kerberos tgt initialized ?" and "WARNING: Remote desktop does not support colour depth 24; falling back to 16" |
15:03.17 | Dragnslcr | Not sure if KRDC is dying on that first error, where rdesktop just pretends nothing happened |
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16:17.52 | brnghkmrs | yo |
16:18.14 | brnghkmrs | I can't use the remote mouse input in kde connect |
16:18.20 | brnghkmrs | anybody know what could I be missing? |
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16:21.28 | JanKusanagi | maybe enabling the plugin in the Plasma Desktop side? |
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16:22.02 | JanKusanagi | I haven't use that in a while, but IIRC, you could enable features on a per-plugin basis |
16:22.19 | JanKusanagi | that one might come disabled by default, since it's quite obtrusive xD |
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16:26.19 | mefistofeles | Hello |
16:26.38 | mefistofeles | Any ideas why I'm not seeing the "previews" when I hover over windows in the panel/taskbar? |
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16:30.55 | mefistofeles | example https://i.imgur.com/UWoAA5k.png |
16:31.41 | JanKusanagi | I think that's a known (and recent) bug |
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16:31.57 | JanKusanagi | either related to Qt 5.10.x, or to KF5.45 |
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19:29.27 | akik | (fedora 27|plasma 5.12.4) when playing music in firefox through subsonic media server, when the song changes, the volume gets reset to some other other level (e.g. 125% to 87%). i've used pavucontrol to set the volume. how can i keep the volume level stable? |
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19:34.42 | tosky | uhm, I'm not sure that Plasma has any role in that |
19:34.58 | ArchAntergosKDE | hey #kde, I've been having an issue for a while now where on startup my desktop backgroudn settings don't load properly |
19:35.04 | tosky | akik: is it a new Fedora installation, or something that was upgraded from older versions? |
19:35.41 | akik | tosky: this is a new fedora installation but the volume worked this way in ubuntu 16.04 earlier too |
19:35.43 | ArchAntergosKDE | my wallpaper image folder is loaded but the backgrounds are blurred instead of a solid color like I have in my settings |
19:36.10 | ArchAntergosKDE | when I open settings it all looks as it should, but I have to toggle them to something else and back then save to make it work |
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19:37.18 | akik | tosky: it's like every time audio stops, something is reset (maybe with pulseaudio?) |
19:37.33 | ArchAntergosKDE | closest issue I can find online seems to be the same but very old post and the solution doens't work as the files don't seem to exist in the same place |
19:37.33 | ArchAntergosKDE | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=83938 |
19:39.10 | tosky | akik: if it weren't a new Fedora 27, I would have said pulseaudio flat volumes |
19:39.16 | tosky | but it's disabled by default on Fedora |
19:39.30 | tosky | see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267 |
19:39.35 | akik | tosky: i read about that flat-volumes but i don't see that happening (audio volume going to 100%) |
19:41.05 | tosky | ArchAntergosKDE: the code changed a lot compared to that old version, so I'm sure that it does not apply too much |
19:41.37 | ArchAntergosKDE | yeah |
19:41.38 | tosky | ArchAntergosKDE: on the other side, does it work with a new user? It's a cheap way to test without (re)moving files around |
19:41.58 | tosky | the configuration files live nowadays under ~/.config and ~/.local |
19:42.26 | ArchAntergosKDE | sweet thanks I will look there and try a new user! |
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19:44.46 | tosky | akik: uhm, I can't help to much, apart from telling you to recheck the configuration and the usual new user |
19:46.57 | akik | tosky: but i haven't touched audio config on this setup, so they are the defaults |
19:47.50 | tosky | then I don't really know |
19:47.51 | akik | tosky: does it work this way for you? you play one song, adjust the volume, then select next song and the volume level gets reset |
19:48.22 | tosky | akik: I don't use that player, but with others the volume is not reset as far as I can notice |
19:49.02 | tosky | so the next question is: does it work for you with other players? |
19:50.22 | akik | DEFAULT DEFERRED VOLUME SETTINGS |
19:50.23 | akik | With the flat volume feature enabled, the sink HW volume is set to the same level as the highest volume input stream. Any other streams (with lower volumes) have the appropriate adjustment applied in SW to bring them to the correct overall level. |
19:51.00 | akik | tosky: i'll have to download some tunes and try with smplayer |
19:52.02 | tosky | akik: there should be few under /usr/share/sounds; usually short, but some of them is longer |
19:53.11 | akik | tosky: it doesn't happen with smplayer |
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19:54.18 | akik | so it's some firefox problems |
19:54.21 | akik | problem |
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19:54.31 | bnk | hi..is it possible to assign shortcut keys to a program thru the command line? |
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19:56.08 | kazdax | how do i drag an icon on my kde desktop ? |
19:56.21 | kazdax | in windows its usually left click and drag |
19:56.25 | kazdax | but that dosnt work here |
19:57.10 | JanKusanagi | that works in Plasma, especially if you use the folderview layout for the desktop |
19:57.27 | JanKusanagi | what do you want, to put a program launcher on the desktop? |
19:57.51 | kazdax | well its already there |
19:57.58 | kazdax | but its somewhere in the middle of the screen |
19:58.13 | kazdax | and i just want to drag it and place it to my left side of the screen |
19:58.13 | JanKusanagi | then you're probably not using the folderview layout, and you have the desktop locked |
19:58.20 | JanKusanagi | and need to unlock it first to change things |
19:58.20 | kazdax | right |
19:58.24 | kazdax | k |
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19:58.50 | JanKusanagi | once unlocked, you have to either leave your mouse over the icon and wait 1/2 second, or click and hold |
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19:59.18 | JanKusanagi | there's a setting to toggle between one mode or the other, but since I don't know how that setting is for you... |
19:59.51 | kazdax | well i was able to do folder view |
20:00.05 | kazdax | which does put a few icons that are movable ..but my initial firefox icon is still locked i pressume |
20:00.17 | kazdax | so looking up the icons section under the fodler view settings of plasma |
20:00.27 | JanKusanagi | so just unlock the desktop... |
20:00.28 | akik | tosky: in firefox about:config, there's media.volume_scale that has something to do with it |
20:00.50 | akik | tosky: for my _simple_ use case, i would just like to keep the same volume level no matter what |
20:01.13 | tosky | akik: oh |
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20:02.22 | tosky | akik: others seems to confirm that it's related: https://support.mozilla.org/it/questions/1092056 |
20:02.36 | tosky | (it's easier to search when you know what to search...) |
20:02.39 | akik | it feels like taking out a calculator to see what the next volume level is :) |
20:04.40 | akik | the default value of media.volume_scale causes this problem in plasma |
20:06.47 | akik | ok now i'm getting the hang of it |
20:06.57 | akik | so it's not a plasma problem |
20:07.18 | akik | there's a volume slider in subsonic media server which directly controls the plasma volume widget |
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20:08.02 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys, should i wait for ubuntu 18.04 to install KDE neon ? |
20:08.07 | tosky | the plasma volume widget, as far as I remember, it just exposes the pulseaudio volume |
20:08.16 | cobra-the-joker | or can i update when it is released |
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20:08.47 | tosky | cobra-the-joker: if you install ubuntu 18.04, you can have a stable version of Plasma for a while; about Neon, it is not defined exactly when they will switch to 18.04 as base |
20:08.52 | tosky | so up to you and your needs |
20:09.28 | cobra-the-joker | tosky: how much time it usually takes ? |
20:10.08 | tosky | cobra-the-joker: there is no "usually" - it's the first time that a change of base happens since the start of Neon |
20:10.11 | tosky | so no past data available |
20:10.15 | tosky | it's up to the Neon team |
20:10.25 | cobra-the-joker | hmmmm ok |
20:10.40 | tosky | uh, not true |
20:10.44 | tosky | it started before 16.04 |
20:11.00 | tosky | so this is at least the second switch |
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20:11.56 | tosky | but it started with a non-LTS 15.10, so this is still the first LTS->LTS switch |
20:12.52 | cobra-the-joker | soooo ... should i wait for it ? or just install the latest useredition and upgrade the base as it gets released and neon repos will work for it ? |
20:13.51 | JanKusanagi | #kde-neon is probably best to ask this |
20:14.10 | JanKusanagi | as tosky said, it's all up to you and your needs |
20:14.29 | cobra-the-joker | hah so there is a #kde-neon |
20:14.55 | cobra-the-joker | thanks tosky i will move the conversation there |
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20:39.09 | bnk | hi..is it possible to assign shortcut keys to a program thru the command line? |
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20:59.23 | sillydimes | Hi all. I'm using KDE neon with ubuntu 16.04 lts. My application launcher becomes unreponsive sometimes. That is, I can no longer click on the 'start menu' icon, or use the Meta key to open up my application list. The rest of the desktop including the task bar seems fine. Can I restart the process related to the application launcher without having to restart? |
21:01.22 | akik | sillydimes: not sure about only the application launcher, but this restarts the whole of plasma "kquitapp5 plasmashell && kstart plasmashell && nohup kwin_x11 --replace &" |
21:01.34 | akik | all apps stay running |
21:01.47 | sillydimes | okay will try that |
21:02.11 | tosky | if it works after restarting plasmashell, you don't need to restart kwin_x11 |
21:02.16 | tosky | it depends on what's stuck |
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21:24.17 | arey1014 | ok so I figured out what's causing the plasma-wayland-session to crash back to login screen |
21:26.14 | arey1014 | it only happens when Breeze is not selected in "Application Style/Window Decorations/Breezmite" where Breezemite is what I have selected. |
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21:26.40 | arey1014 | Is there something broken in the theme api that's causing this on Wayland? |
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21:28.02 | JanKusanagi | is that an Aurorae theme? could you try with Oxygen? |
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21:36.39 | sillydimes | akik: restarting plasmashell was sufficient, thanks for the help :) |
21:47.42 | arey1014 | JanKusanagi: Ok let me try Oxygen |
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21:49.12 | arey1014 | JanKusanagi: Oxygen works on Wayland as well. So for now Oxygen and Breeze works under Window Decorations |
21:49.29 | arey1014 | Everything else crashes on close back to login |
21:49.30 | JanKusanagi | so the one you want is probably a theme for the Aurorae engine |
21:49.56 | arey1014 | So am I missing the Aurorae engine? |
21:50.10 | arey1014 | Do I have to install that |
21:50.11 | arey1014 | ? |
21:50.18 | JanKusanagi | no, if you were, you wouldn't even see the other decorations that use it |
21:50.28 | arey1014 | ok |
21:51.11 | arey1014 | Aurorae engine not Wayland friendly? |
21:51.11 | JanKusanagi | I seem to recall Aurorae having issues on Wayland, but I don't see any mention here https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers or here https://community.kde.org/Plasma/5.12_Errata#Wayland |
21:51.24 | JanKusanagi | maybe not ready for Wayland yet |
21:51.46 | JanKusanagi | since Breeze and Oxygen (let's say, "native" windeco themes) work well... |
21:52.01 | arey1014 | Ok |
21:52.06 | arey1014 | let me look into those |
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21:54.16 | JanKusanagi | Plastik doesn't work either? |
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21:59.23 | arey1014 | Plastik doesn't work either. It won't even let me log into a Wayland session. |
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22:00.41 | arey1014 | Plastik doesn't work either. It won't even let me log into a Wayland session. |
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22:01.11 | JanKusanagi | Plastik might be an Aurorae theme nowadays; I see its files are installed in a different place than oxygen and breeze |
22:02.17 | JanKusanagi | those being in /usr/lib64/qt5/plugins/org.kde.kdecoration2 while Plastik is in /usr/lib64/qt5/qml/org/kde/kwin/decorations/plastik |
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