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00:21.37*** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.12 and KDE Applications 18.04 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config
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01:11.53Stavrhi! For the life of me, I cannot find the setting to hide the ugly html status bar on kmail 5.8.0. I'm pretty certain I disabled this before. Any suggestion?
01:13.44thiagoit'sthere somewhere
01:13.48thiagoI know because I disabled it too
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01:24.32adam5hey. i have proof, verifiable proof we are in the matrix http://adioha.s.lamc.la ... #far? that means we can "find and replace" cancer and AIDS and not doing that is "evil" IMHO, http://kansa.s.lamc.la ... and make bullets drop in midair like in the Matrix, http://arrr.s.lamc.la and Minority Report.  These things, these movies, part of the message. http://fromthemachine.org/SEVENTY.html -- I need help gaming reddit, and whatever else you guys can think of, email m
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01:53.26Stavrthiago: sure you are on 5.8.0?
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02:58.25fareastkde is so much better than cinnamon
02:58.58fareastafter using it going to cinnamon and now back to kde I now understand why.
02:59.48SunnyDayWorkfareast, I've just moved from cinnamon too fareast
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03:18.59fareastyay move to kde
03:20.17fareastI mean anything works but fundamental daily tasks are available in kde where cinnamon lacks them.
03:20.54fareastI don't know if this is true but I recall clicking onto the clock and not having it show a calendar....
03:21.13fareastalot of things left me going wtf....
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03:56.08SunnyDayWorkI'm just switching for a change and some extra prettier. The trouble with debian stable is well..... it's stable. So today I'm living dangerously (sorta)
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09:05.34bigfoot-Hi.  I'm using plasma 5.12.4 (Ubuntu 18.04), and for some reason I cannot resize "evince" windows: I simply don't get the "resize" mouse cursor when moving in the e.g. lower right corner of the window.  Resizing windows of other programs works just fine.  Ideas how to debug this?
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09:07.56Fuchsbigfoot-: alt+right mouse should resize unless the application tells the WM not to  (xprop   will show that)
09:08.19Fuchsbigfoot-: my best guess is that it doesn't have boarders due to some GTK3 hacks, but the above should work, unless evince says it can't be resized
09:09.00bigfoot-Fuchs: alt+right mouse works, thanks.  Interestingly this worked "normally" not too long ago ...
09:09.43Fuchsbigfoot-: I think there is a setting in the window deco to force size handlers, but personally I don't use many GTK3 apps, so I wouldn't know
09:10.28Fuchsthing is that they switched to client side decorations, so the application draws its window borders, which looks odd under a window manager which draws some as well, so I think there are some hacks to prevent that, which might affect size handlers. But that's just a guess
09:10.38Fuchsfeel free to use the alt thing, it's faster  (and works on all windows)
09:10.46Fuchsalso alt+left will move the window, also handy.
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09:13.42bigfoot-Fuchs: I know the latter, but that's just one more key combo I need to memorize ;-) I thought that's what window decorations + borders were there for
09:14.52Fuchswell yes, personally I prefer the combo because mouse aiming is slow and cumbersome. See if that setting fixes it, otherwise consider asking kwin people  (#plasma, I think)
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09:16.59bigfoot-I haven't found that window decoration setting yet
09:17.41bigfoot-I'll ask in #plasma, thanks.
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09:20.09Fuchsbigfoot-: https://imgur.com/a/vamIX0t   the highlighted one  (sorry for German)
09:22.13bigfoot-Fuchs: thx.  German is no problem here.
09:22.24Fuchsoh, yes
09:22.30Fuchsgecos suggests you do understand that :p
09:22.38Fuchsanyway, try that setting
09:25.43bigfoot-Interestingly, I'm using "Plastik" -- which simply doesn't have that setting.
09:25.51Fuchsoh
09:25.55Fuchsyeah
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13:14.45achillionWhat's required to have a music/audio application show up in the systray Media Player widget? Does just have to interface with dbus?
13:15.54Fuchsachillion: has to support mpris
13:16.06Fuchswhich is via d-bus, but standardized
13:16.06achillionFuchs: thanks!
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13:16.15achillionsounds good
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13:31.55oct2pusX is no longer being improved upon, but how was Nvidia on Kde 5.11? I'd rather swap off gnome but i had graphical glitches in the past with kde (around ~5.8 or so)
13:32.30JanKusanagi*Plasma 5.11 :p
13:33.11JanKusanagiand as long as you don't want to use Plasma on Wayland with the Nvidia proprietary driver, you'll probably be fine
13:33.26Fuchs5.12 works fine for me with nvidia, I don't think 5.11 was much worse
13:33.26achillionoct2pus: what kind of glitches?
13:33.58achillionI've been running Plasma on nVidia for a few years now. I think there were some glitchy effects at times, but they usually get fixed after a version or two
13:34.15oct2pusmostly problems with compositing as well as flickering (im trying to remember specifics, but changing one graphical setting to different one fixed the flickering)
13:34.31achillionI think I remember similar kinds of things
13:34.45achillionlike weird artefacts when switching into desktop-wall
13:34.57achillionor flickering when sliding across workspaces/desktops
13:35.22achillionbut in the last couple of years it's been insanely stable for me
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13:36.40oct2pusoh well thanks for the advice, im probably gonna reinstall debian testing and get a fresh start, but looking forward to being free of gnome again :)
13:37.31oct2pusi know debian is intentionally conservative with upgrading, but do they specifically wait for LTS releases to upgrade a package or does it still slow-roll in testing/sid?
13:37.50oct2pusupgrade the kde desktop and related packages*
13:39.08JanKusanagiDebian Sid has quite current Plasma
13:39.31JanKusanagiand they had Plasma 5.10 at one point, so no, no LTS required for Sid
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13:41.16oct2pusgotcha :)
13:41.22oct2pusty Jan and Achillion
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14:10.10DragnslcrHello, using Kubuntu 17.10. When I try to connect to a Windows desktop with KRDC, I get "Connection failed. You might have passed a wrong address or username". The plain rdesktop program connects fine. Any ideas?
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14:48.24hateballDragnslcr: maybe an old incorrect password saved in kwallet?
14:48.34hateballas krdc by default will store/use that
14:49.19DragnslcrI had never connected to that desktop before, so I wouldn't think so, but I can check the wallet
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14:52.45DragnslcrI don't see the host in the KRDC folder in the wallet
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14:54.59DragnslcrIt does ask for my password when I try to connect, so I don't think it's using anything from the wallet
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15:01.04hateballhmmm
15:01.11hateballDragnslcr: anything if you launch krdc from terminal?
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15:01.55DragnslcrNope, and I didn't see an option for debug messages in --help
15:02.28Dragnslcrrdesktop gives two messages, though
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16:17.52brnghkmrsyo
16:18.14brnghkmrsI can't use the remote mouse input in kde connect
16:18.20brnghkmrsanybody know what could I be missing?
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16:21.28JanKusanagimaybe enabling the plugin in the Plasma Desktop side?
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16:22.02JanKusanagiI haven't use that in a while, but IIRC, you could enable features on a per-plugin basis
16:22.19JanKusanagithat one might come disabled by default, since it's quite obtrusive xD
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16:26.19mefistofelesHello
16:26.38mefistofelesAny ideas why I'm not seeing the "previews" when I hover over windows in the panel/taskbar?
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16:30.55mefistofelesexample https://i.imgur.com/UWoAA5k.png
16:31.41JanKusanagiI think that's a known (and recent) bug
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16:31.57JanKusanagieither related to Qt 5.10.x, or to KF5.45
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19:29.27akik(fedora 27|plasma 5.12.4) when playing music in firefox through subsonic media server, when the song changes, the volume gets reset to some other other level (e.g. 125% to 87%). i've used pavucontrol to set the volume. how can i keep the volume level stable?
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19:34.42toskyuhm, I'm not sure that Plasma has any role in that
19:34.58ArchAntergosKDEhey #kde, I've been having an issue for a while now where on startup my desktop backgroudn settings don't load properly
19:35.04toskyakik: is it a new Fedora installation, or something that was upgraded from older versions?
19:35.41akiktosky: this is a new fedora installation but the volume worked this way in ubuntu 16.04 earlier too
19:35.43ArchAntergosKDEmy wallpaper image folder is loaded but the backgrounds are blurred instead of a solid color like I have in my settings
19:36.10ArchAntergosKDEwhen I open settings it all looks as it should, but I have to toggle them to something else and back then save to make it work
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19:37.18akiktosky: it's like every time audio stops, something is reset (maybe with pulseaudio?)
19:37.33ArchAntergosKDEclosest issue I can find online seems to be the same but very old post and the solution doens't work as the files don't seem to exist in the same place
19:37.33ArchAntergosKDEhttps://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=83938
19:39.10toskyakik: if it weren't a new Fedora 27, I would have said pulseaudio flat volumes
19:39.16toskybut it's disabled by default on Fedora
19:39.30toskysee https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267
19:39.35akiktosky: i read about that flat-volumes but i don't see that happening (audio volume going to 100%)
19:41.05toskyArchAntergosKDE: the code changed a lot compared to that old version, so I'm sure that it does not apply too much
19:41.37ArchAntergosKDEyeah
19:41.38toskyArchAntergosKDE: on the other side, does it work with a new user? It's a cheap way to test without (re)moving files around
19:41.58toskythe configuration files live nowadays under ~/.config and ~/.local
19:42.26ArchAntergosKDEsweet thanks I will look there and try a new user!
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19:44.46toskyakik: uhm, I can't help to much, apart from telling you to recheck the configuration and the usual new user
19:46.57akiktosky: but i haven't touched audio config on this setup, so they are the defaults
19:47.50toskythen I don't really know
19:47.51akiktosky: does it work this way for you? you play one song, adjust the volume, then select next song and the volume level gets reset
19:48.22toskyakik: I don't use that player, but with others the volume is not reset as far as I can notice
19:49.02toskyso the next question is: does it work for you with other players?
19:50.22akikDEFAULT DEFERRED VOLUME SETTINGS
19:50.23akikWith the flat volume feature enabled, the sink HW volume is set to  the same  level as the highest volume input stream. Any other streams (with lower volumes) have the appropriate adjustment applied in SW  to  bring them  to the correct overall level.
19:51.00akiktosky: i'll have to download some tunes and try with smplayer
19:52.02toskyakik: there should be few under /usr/share/sounds; usually short, but some of them is longer
19:53.11akiktosky: it doesn't happen with smplayer
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19:54.18akikso it's some firefox problems
19:54.21akikproblem
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19:54.31bnkhi..is it possible to assign shortcut keys to a program thru the command line?
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19:56.08kazdaxhow do i drag an icon on my kde desktop ?
19:56.21kazdaxin windows its usually left click and drag
19:56.25kazdaxbut that dosnt work here
19:57.10JanKusanagithat works in Plasma, especially if you use the folderview layout for the desktop
19:57.27JanKusanagiwhat do you want, to put a program launcher on the desktop?
19:57.51kazdaxwell its already there
19:57.58kazdaxbut its somewhere in the middle of the screen
19:58.13kazdaxand i just want to drag it and place it to my left side of the screen
19:58.13JanKusanagithen you're probably not using the folderview layout, and you have the desktop locked
19:58.20JanKusanagiand need to unlock it first to change things
19:58.20kazdaxright
19:58.24kazdaxk
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19:58.50JanKusanagionce unlocked, you have to either leave your mouse over the icon and wait 1/2 second, or click and hold
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19:59.18JanKusanagithere's a setting to toggle between one mode or the other, but since I don't know how that setting is for you...
19:59.51kazdaxwell i was able to do folder view
20:00.05kazdaxwhich does put a few icons that are movable ..but my initial firefox icon is still locked i pressume
20:00.17kazdaxso looking up the icons section under the fodler view settings of plasma
20:00.27JanKusanagiso just unlock the desktop...
20:00.28akiktosky: in firefox about:config, there's media.volume_scale that has something to do with it
20:00.50akiktosky: for my _simple_ use case, i would just like to keep the same volume level no matter what
20:01.13toskyakik: oh
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20:02.22toskyakik: others seems to confirm that it's related: https://support.mozilla.org/it/questions/1092056
20:02.36tosky(it's easier to search when you know what to search...)
20:02.39akikit feels like taking out a calculator to see what the next volume level is :)
20:04.40akikthe default value of media.volume_scale causes this problem in plasma
20:06.47akikok now i'm getting the hang of it
20:06.57akikso it's not a plasma problem
20:07.18akikthere's a volume slider in subsonic media server which directly controls the plasma volume widget
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20:08.02cobra-the-jokerHey guys, should i wait for ubuntu 18.04 to install KDE neon ?
20:08.07toskythe plasma volume widget, as far as I remember, it just exposes the pulseaudio volume
20:08.16cobra-the-jokeror can i update when it is released
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20:08.47toskycobra-the-joker: if you install ubuntu 18.04, you can have a stable version of Plasma for a while; about Neon, it is not defined exactly when they will switch to 18.04 as base
20:08.52toskyso up to you and your needs
20:09.28cobra-the-jokertosky: how much time it usually takes ?
20:10.08toskycobra-the-joker: there is no "usually" - it's the first time that a change of base happens since the start of Neon
20:10.11toskyso no past data available
20:10.15toskyit's up to the Neon team
20:10.25cobra-the-jokerhmmmm ok
20:10.40toskyuh, not true
20:10.44toskyit started before 16.04
20:11.00toskyso this is at least the second switch
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20:11.56toskybut it started with a non-LTS 15.10, so this is still the first LTS->LTS switch
20:12.52cobra-the-jokersoooo ... should i wait for it ? or just install the latest useredition and upgrade the base as it gets released and neon repos will work for it ?
20:13.51JanKusanagi#kde-neon is probably best to ask this
20:14.10JanKusanagias tosky said, it's all up to you and your needs
20:14.29cobra-the-jokerhah so there is a #kde-neon
20:14.55cobra-the-jokerthanks tosky i will move the conversation there
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20:39.09bnkhi..is it possible to assign shortcut keys to a program thru the command line?
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20:59.23sillydimesHi all. I'm using KDE neon with ubuntu 16.04 lts. My application launcher becomes unreponsive sometimes. That is, I can no longer click on the 'start menu' icon, or use the Meta key to open up my application list. The rest of the desktop including the task bar seems fine. Can I restart the process related to the application launcher without having to restart?
21:01.22akiksillydimes: not sure about only the application launcher, but this restarts the whole of plasma "kquitapp5 plasmashell && kstart plasmashell && nohup kwin_x11 --replace &"
21:01.34akikall apps stay running
21:01.47sillydimesokay will try that
21:02.11toskyif it works after restarting plasmashell, you don't need to restart kwin_x11
21:02.16toskyit depends on what's stuck
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21:24.17arey1014ok so I figured out what's causing the plasma-wayland-session to crash back to login screen
21:26.14arey1014it only happens when Breeze is not selected in "Application Style/Window Decorations/Breezmite" where Breezemite is what I have selected.
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21:26.40arey1014Is there something broken in the theme api that's causing this on Wayland?
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21:28.02JanKusanagiis that an Aurorae theme? could you try with Oxygen?
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21:36.39sillydimesakik: restarting plasmashell was sufficient, thanks for the help :)
21:47.42arey1014JanKusanagi:  Ok let me try Oxygen
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21:49.12arey1014JanKusanagi:  Oxygen works on Wayland as well.  So for now Oxygen and Breeze works under Window Decorations
21:49.29arey1014Everything else crashes on close back to login
21:49.30JanKusanagiso the one you want is probably a theme for the Aurorae engine
21:49.56arey1014So am I missing the Aurorae engine?
21:50.10arey1014Do I have to install that
21:50.11arey1014?
21:50.18JanKusanagino, if you were, you wouldn't even see the other decorations that use it
21:50.28arey1014ok
21:51.11arey1014Aurorae engine not Wayland friendly?
21:51.11JanKusanagiI seem to recall Aurorae having issues on Wayland, but I don't see any mention here https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers or here https://community.kde.org/Plasma/5.12_Errata#Wayland
21:51.24JanKusanagimaybe not ready for Wayland yet
21:51.46JanKusanagisince Breeze and Oxygen (let's say, "native" windeco themes) work well...
21:52.01arey1014Ok
21:52.06arey1014let me look into those
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21:54.16JanKusanagiPlastik doesn't work either?
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21:59.23arey1014Plastik doesn't work either.  It won't even let me log into a Wayland session.
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22:00.41arey1014Plastik doesn't work either.  It won't even let me log into a Wayland session.
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22:01.11JanKusanagiPlastik might be an Aurorae theme nowadays; I see its files are installed in a different place than oxygen and breeze
22:02.17JanKusanagithose being in /usr/lib64/qt5/plugins/org.kde.kdecoration2 while Plastik is in /usr/lib64/qt5/qml/org/kde/kwin/decorations/plastik
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