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00:41.52D-rexwhere can I find the error logs for things pertaining to the system tray?
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00:42.35D-rexI have an application that has a system tray icon and allows minimizng to tray, at times the icon won't show when it loads or it disapears after a bit of being minimized to tray
00:43.36D-rexthe application is the bitcoin core wallet if it helps
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00:51.52jankusanagi_do you know if it's based on Qt, GTK, or something else?
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00:53.26jankusanagi_if it's based on Qt4 or GTK, it probably needs xembedsniproxy, so the problem could be there
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01:31.48D-rexjankusanagi_: it's qt not sure of the version though
01:32.45D-rexnm it's in the about section, This program uses Qt version 5.10.1.
01:39.35jankusanagi_ah, then its systray icon should be a proper SNI like any other
01:40.05jankusanagi_obvious question, just in case: the icon is not disappearing to the "hidden" section of the systray, is it? :D
01:41.29D-rexno unfortunatley
01:42.27jankusanagi_and when it disappears, the program is still running?
01:44.18D-rexYes although at times when I have it minimized to tray I can't bring the application window up from the task manager, but there are times when it disappears while I have the window up but if I minimize I wont be able to refocus
01:44.57D-rexfor now I have disabled the tray minimizing but I would like to know why its disappearing
01:45.09D-rexwhere would the logs for the system tray or panel be?
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01:52.46jankusanagi_I doubt that's the fault of the systray, but I imagine you can find some related process to "debug enable" in kdebugdialog5
01:53.12jankusanagi_also, you should be able to "sniff" interactions with the systray with dbus-monitor
01:54.04jankusanagi_does this happen under other environments?
01:54.15jankusanagi_or rather, does it NOT happen?
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01:57.12D-rexyou mean running it in other desktop environments? I dont use any other DE if so
01:58.19D-rexi have a windows partition that I run it in and it never disappears but I seldom use windows other than keeping ti up to date
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02:00.38D-rexi may try recompiling the wallet before I try to dianose further
02:01.50jankusanagi_you could try under a bare Openbox session with a tint2 panel, which includes a systray, to make sure
02:02.03jankusanagi_if it still disappears there, then it's certainly not a Plasma issue
02:03.18D-rexill give that a try too
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02:12.34|aaronopengl 2.0 vs 3.1, how to decide?
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02:20.06jankusanagi_just try both, and whichever works best
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02:21.32V7Hey all
02:22.12V7WHere is it possible to change this one. When a physical left button is clicked on touchpad it work, but only when a finger is on touchpad
02:22.24V7So, the right button works without any fingers on touchpads
02:22.46|aaronjankusanagi_: so if theres no percetible difference, dont worry about it? i read somewhere that specific video cards work better with different versions, depending on their built in support?
02:23.01|aaronperceptible
02:23.10V7Is it possible to make left button work the same, I meant, to call a click by itself, without needing to put another finger to touchpad
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02:25.09jankusanagi_why whorry about it, if you don't notice any difference, |aaron? :D
02:25.46|aaronwell im having massive display issues. toggling the opengl version doesnt help, but im just trying to narrow down the issue..
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02:42.49jankusanagi_not even xrender?
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02:44.49|aaronah i didnt try that one, lets see
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06:33.40luceneraHi. I've a problem with Dragon Player. When I play a video I can listen audio but I can't see anything.
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09:40.50rbenedettidoes anyone can confirm 10-bit mesa 18 patch is working? I'm trying it in fedora 28 but get red/black screen.
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11:55.55BluesKajHi folks
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12:08.28mr_sm1thDoes someone know if it's possible to reverse the [OK] and [Cancel] buttons while running KDE Plasma? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149818/how-to-give-the-same-order-for-ok-and-cancel-buttons-in-kde-and-gnome-applic
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12:12.49pepoKDE applications autormatically use the correct button order of the platform. GTK applications are hardcoded, so complain there.
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12:25.20mr_sm1thpepo: Yes so my question is: how can I set the button order.
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12:25.57mr_sm1thpepo: I want KDE applications show buttons the other way around than is the default with KDE.
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12:35.05pepotry running with "--style" argument to force Qt applications to use the GTK style, even if not running under GNOME.
12:35.38pepoor "XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME appname" in bash
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12:41.40mr_sm1thThat works. :')
12:41.53mr_sm1thAnd instead of KDialog I get the gtk filepicker.
12:42.20asturmsounds horrible
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12:45.45Fulgenthe customer gets what the customer wants
12:45.49mr_sm1thIf I put XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP as "XXX" I get a very barebones version of KDialog with stacked buttons.
12:47.35toskyuhm, KDialog is probably not what you mean - I guess you mean the file dialog provided by the Plasma integration plugin
12:47.48toskywith no integration plugin you get the basic Qt file dialog
12:48.13mr_sm1thIt says KDialog though https://i.imgur.com/R8KHTt4.png
12:48.36toskythat's the Qt file dialo
12:48.38toskydialog*
12:48.46mr_sm1thAh alright.
12:48.53mr_sm1thInteresting that it says "KDialog" still.
12:48.58mr_sm1thThat must be a bug.
12:49.07pepoIt's the application name
12:49.35pepoAnd it falls back to Qt dialog, because the GTK dialog doesn't offer all API.
12:49.36toskyhttp://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwidgets-tutorials-addressbook-part6-example.html
12:49.57mr_sm1thBut now the question is: does KDialog respect some other environment variable besides XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?
12:50.13mr_sm1thFor button order that is.
12:50.29toskythere are few elements which follows the Qt integration plugin selected
12:50.38tosky(please don't call it kdialog)
12:51.05toskythe current desktop is a way to select a Qt integration plugin, which can be also explicitely specified with some other variables
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12:51.12pepotosky, he is running the "kdlalog" application
12:51.27toskyoh
12:51.30mr_sm1thNo.
12:51.35mr_sm1thSaving files with Chromium.
12:51.42mr_sm1thAnd it seems to open "not kdialog".
12:51.52mr_sm1thIf I don't override XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP.
12:51.57pepoRight. And Chromium uses  "kdialog", because they were too lazy to use proper API calls.
12:52.12mr_sm1thBut setting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP to change the button layout seems a bit overkill.
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12:54.25pepoOverkill would be to use one variable for each platform option.
12:55.04mr_sm1thWell this is a legitimate problem isn't it?
12:55.11pepoYou can write your own Qt platform plugin where you have full control over each option.
12:55.21mr_sm1thWhy would someone that came from Gnome have to adapt to this button order?
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12:55.32mr_sm1thIt's the same with the side the window decoration buttons are on.
12:55.52mr_sm1thI am putting them left because I came from OS X.
12:55.55pepoThat's unrelated to Qt. You can change window button order in KWin.
12:56.17xi-it's literally a setting
12:56.20xi-in qt
12:56.36mr_sm1thHow do I access Qt settings?
12:56.48mr_sm1thIt's a bit hard to google because of QtSettings.
12:56.50xi-kwin handles them
12:57.02mr_sm1thAre we talking about window decoration now?
12:57.06pepoQt has no settings, they are decided by the platform plugin.
12:57.08xi-nope
12:57.24xi-kwin is far from just being window decorations
12:57.27mr_sm1thYou're telling me I can set button order with KWin.
12:57.33pepoyes, you can
12:57.42mr_sm1thOf Cancel/Ok.
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12:57.50toskyKWin sets the the button of the window decoration
12:57.56pepoYou were talking of decoration buttons
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12:58.15mr_sm1thI was giving window decorations as an example why button order in dialogs should be a setting.
12:58.16xi-you can also set the button order on dialogs
12:58.19mr_sm1thAnd that it's not overkill.
12:58.22mr_sm1thxi-: really?
12:58.25xi-yes
12:58.28mr_sm1thDo you know what the settings pane is called?
12:58.40pepoMaybe xi- uses qt5ct
12:58.55xi-yeah, but I thought KDE could do that too?
12:58.56pepoThat's a third party platform plugin
12:59.07toskyxi-: Plasma has its own platform plugin
12:59.58mr_sm1thqt5ct looks promising
13:00.08mr_sm1thxi-: I don't think KDE can do it.
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13:00.41xi-I found this https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=97500
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13:01.27mr_sm1thYeah I found that too but I have no idea what the "Input/system junk drawer" is supposed to refer to.
13:01.39pepoBespin wasn't ported to Qt5.
13:01.50xi-oh
13:02.57pepoBut google says there is a fork :P
13:03.29pepoBespin looks "different", though.
13:03.43xi-well your best shot seems to be qt5ct mr_sm1th
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13:11.15mr_sm1thThings really look funky with qt5ct https://i.imgur.com/HxwdL4I.png  vs https://i.imgur.com/G0DIxhS.png
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13:11.49mr_sm1thBut probably my best bet indeed.
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13:31.55mr_sm1thFound the culprit https://github.com/KDE/plasma-integration/blob/14df7c1067aa8617626ecbf5a81bf09448624422/src/platformtheme/khintssettings.cpp#L112
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13:44.03mr_sm1thxi-: I patched plasma-intergration :D
13:44.28xi-mr_sm1th: nice, how does it look now?
13:44.28mr_sm1thpepo: xi-: Thanks for your help.
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13:45.15mr_sm1thxi-: Exactly like you would expect, with the confirmation button on the right: https://i.imgur.com/HNg1lVB.png
13:45.37xi-success! \o/
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13:45.46oprypinmr_sm1th, what distro / tooling  do you use for the patch?
13:45.53mr_sm1thYeah pretty crazy you can just jump into the source code and do things like this.
13:46.14mr_sm1thoprypin: I'm running Arch Linux so I used makepkg.
13:46.25mr_sm1thIt's a pretty ugly patch because during the next update it will get overwritten.
13:46.53xi-that's how all patches are
13:46.56oprypinyeah.  i made a set of hacky scripts to reapply patches on updates but was hoping you'd tell me about something amazing
13:46.58xi-you should keep it off the package manager
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13:47.15oprypinxi-, i disagree
13:47.33mr_sm1thKeep it off the package manager?
13:47.50xi-build and install it yourself, qt5ct doesn't update that often either
13:47.52xi-it should be fine
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13:48.03xi-otherwise you'll have to repatch it every update
13:48.28oprypinlol  plasma-integration gets updated like 4 times a month, not sure what you're talkign about
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13:50.46xi-oh I thought you were still using qt5ct, nevermind then
13:51.03mr_sm1thNo because that has the visual problem.
13:51.05mr_sm1thLooks very different.
13:51.22mr_sm1thI patched plasma-intergration so everything is the same except the button layout.
13:51.22xi-that's just because it had a different theme, you just had to change it to breeze
13:51.28xi-sorry I didn't respond when you said it :P
13:51.36xi-but if your patch works it's good
13:52.08xi-still, this is a better solution because you'll be able to manage colour schemes and themes through the settings menu without worry
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13:52.14mr_sm1thIt still looks a bit different though.
13:52.16xi-you'd need to set those through qt5ct otherwise
13:52.28mr_sm1thAnd single click folders doesn't work in Dolphin.
13:52.32mr_sm1thMaybe there's more.
13:52.53mr_sm1thDo you think plasma-intergration would accept a patch for this?
13:53.03mr_sm1thMake it a setting in KWin or something?
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13:56.52xi-probably if you're willing to work on it
13:57.55xi-you'd just have to implement it roughly and start a phabricator review and see where that gets you, I'm sure they'd be happy to accept a well-made patch
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14:04.47mr_sm1thI'll look into it, thank you.
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17:16.52tatiehello how do i add xmodmap command to enable scroll key into autostart in startup settings ? KDE4, Kubuntu 14.04
17:18.11vividcan i force the desktop folder view to restart/reload? its frozen again :(
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17:30.09thiagotatie: if you were using Plasma 5, the startup scripts are in ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env/
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17:50.05tatie@thiago ok so thios has to be set up as script? this means i can just add a script in /.config/autostart or add a link to script in autostart setting.
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17:51.57oprypinvivid, in search bar (alt+space, formerly alt+f2) `killall plasmashell; plasmashell`
17:52.25vividthat restarts the entire shell?
17:53.06oprypinyes?
17:53.47vividwell im just wondering can i use that to restart the task manager as well since it likes to freeze
17:53.58oprypinprobably
17:54.01vividok
17:54.03oprypinit's not supposed to freeze btw
17:54.09vividobviously
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17:55.02tatiethiago: ok so this has to be set up as script? this means i can just add a script in /.config/autostart or add a link to script in the autostart setting?
17:55.23oprypintatie, did you read the condition of the if clause?
17:57.13vividit doesnt really freeze either, i can still interact with both of them if i close my eyes and imagine where things are....they just stop drawing for whatever reason
17:57.34oprypinvivid, nvidia? no compositing?
17:57.44vividproprietary nvidia, compositing on
17:58.04vividand kde is set to opengl 3.1
17:58.06oprypinwell i have that happening when compositing is off
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17:58.27vividyeah that happens too and i consider that normal
17:58.30vividi guess
17:58.50vividi found that i can restore the panel by dragging it to a different screen edge and forcing it to update
17:59.09vividbut the desktop "folder view" (facepalm) still working on that one :p
18:00.13oprypinwhat distro?
18:00.31Sho_why facepalm
18:00.33asturmvivid: you should probably not use 3.1.
18:00.46vividwell we all know its a directory
18:00.50vividthere are no folders
18:00.56vividand ok ill revert it back to 2.0
18:01.19vividcant even change folder in windows cmd.exe...
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18:01.32Sho_wat
18:01.52vividdir <path>
18:01.56vividcd <path>
18:02.01asturmerm
18:02.15vividjust things nevermind me, ill set it back to 2.0
18:02.30Sho_vivid: there's etymology for that
18:03.12Sho_windows introduced "folder" to refer to directory-like container views vs. directories which are a file system concept
18:03.22Sho_since KIO can do more than just list directories, ...
18:03.30vividpeople who didnt know saw the picture is how it came about
18:03.54vividjust go with the flow instead of educating
18:04.19vividtotally offtopic though, thanks for the tips hopefully these little issues will calm down
18:04.45Sho_shrugs and goes back to making folder view
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18:09.04vividill take the trade of that wording and a couple little issues over a sluggish desktop all day long
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21:37.21vividno issues yet since setting to gl2.0
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23:43.05vividso is there any way to get the panel to keep updating when compositing is off?
23:44.09jankusanagi_keep updating?
23:44.35vividwell yeah when i launch a game, for example, compositing toggles off and everything on the panel is as it was some time in the past..
23:44.52vividso its a crapshoot using the task manager or tray icons
23:45.15jankusanagi_ah, well, that's different
23:45.23jankusanagi_the panel works just fine with compositing off
23:45.30jankusanagi_under normal circumstances, that is
23:46.19jankusanagi_if you don't need compositing disabled for the game, KWin can be setup to ignore those requests from games
23:47.46vividdoesnt seem to happen when i toggle it off myself
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