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00:41.52 | D-rex | where can I find the error logs for things pertaining to the system tray? |
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00:42.35 | D-rex | I have an application that has a system tray icon and allows minimizng to tray, at times the icon won't show when it loads or it disapears after a bit of being minimized to tray |
00:43.36 | D-rex | the application is the bitcoin core wallet if it helps |
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00:51.52 | jankusanagi_ | do you know if it's based on Qt, GTK, or something else? |
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00:53.26 | jankusanagi_ | if it's based on Qt4 or GTK, it probably needs xembedsniproxy, so the problem could be there |
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01:31.48 | D-rex | jankusanagi_: it's qt not sure of the version though |
01:32.45 | D-rex | nm it's in the about section, This program uses Qt version 5.10.1. |
01:39.35 | jankusanagi_ | ah, then its systray icon should be a proper SNI like any other |
01:40.05 | jankusanagi_ | obvious question, just in case: the icon is not disappearing to the "hidden" section of the systray, is it? :D |
01:41.29 | D-rex | no unfortunatley |
01:42.27 | jankusanagi_ | and when it disappears, the program is still running? |
01:44.18 | D-rex | Yes although at times when I have it minimized to tray I can't bring the application window up from the task manager, but there are times when it disappears while I have the window up but if I minimize I wont be able to refocus |
01:44.57 | D-rex | for now I have disabled the tray minimizing but I would like to know why its disappearing |
01:45.09 | D-rex | where would the logs for the system tray or panel be? |
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01:52.46 | jankusanagi_ | I doubt that's the fault of the systray, but I imagine you can find some related process to "debug enable" in kdebugdialog5 |
01:53.12 | jankusanagi_ | also, you should be able to "sniff" interactions with the systray with dbus-monitor |
01:54.04 | jankusanagi_ | does this happen under other environments? |
01:54.15 | jankusanagi_ | or rather, does it NOT happen? |
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01:57.12 | D-rex | you mean running it in other desktop environments? I dont use any other DE if so |
01:58.19 | D-rex | i have a windows partition that I run it in and it never disappears but I seldom use windows other than keeping ti up to date |
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02:00.38 | D-rex | i may try recompiling the wallet before I try to dianose further |
02:01.50 | jankusanagi_ | you could try under a bare Openbox session with a tint2 panel, which includes a systray, to make sure |
02:02.03 | jankusanagi_ | if it still disappears there, then it's certainly not a Plasma issue |
02:03.18 | D-rex | ill give that a try too |
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02:12.34 | |aaron | opengl 2.0 vs 3.1, how to decide? |
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02:20.06 | jankusanagi_ | just try both, and whichever works best |
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02:21.32 | V7 | Hey all |
02:22.12 | V7 | WHere is it possible to change this one. When a physical left button is clicked on touchpad it work, but only when a finger is on touchpad |
02:22.24 | V7 | So, the right button works without any fingers on touchpads |
02:22.46 | |aaron | jankusanagi_: so if theres no percetible difference, dont worry about it? i read somewhere that specific video cards work better with different versions, depending on their built in support? |
02:23.01 | |aaron | perceptible |
02:23.10 | V7 | Is it possible to make left button work the same, I meant, to call a click by itself, without needing to put another finger to touchpad |
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02:25.09 | jankusanagi_ | why whorry about it, if you don't notice any difference, |aaron? :D |
02:25.46 | |aaron | well im having massive display issues. toggling the opengl version doesnt help, but im just trying to narrow down the issue.. |
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02:42.49 | jankusanagi_ | not even xrender? |
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02:44.49 | |aaron | ah i didnt try that one, lets see |
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11:55.55 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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12:08.28 | mr_sm1th | Does someone know if it's possible to reverse the [OK] and [Cancel] buttons while running KDE Plasma? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149818/how-to-give-the-same-order-for-ok-and-cancel-buttons-in-kde-and-gnome-applic |
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12:12.49 | pepo | KDE applications autormatically use the correct button order of the platform. GTK applications are hardcoded, so complain there. |
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12:25.20 | mr_sm1th | pepo: Yes so my question is: how can I set the button order. |
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12:25.57 | mr_sm1th | pepo: I want KDE applications show buttons the other way around than is the default with KDE. |
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12:35.05 | pepo | try running with "--style" argument to force Qt applications to use the GTK style, even if not running under GNOME. |
12:35.38 | pepo | or "XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME appname" in bash |
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12:38.47 | oprypin | :s |
12:41.40 | mr_sm1th | That works. :') |
12:41.53 | mr_sm1th | And instead of KDialog I get the gtk filepicker. |
12:42.20 | asturm | sounds horrible |
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12:45.45 | Fulgen | the customer gets what the customer wants |
12:45.49 | mr_sm1th | If I put XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP as "XXX" I get a very barebones version of KDialog with stacked buttons. |
12:47.35 | tosky | uhm, KDialog is probably not what you mean - I guess you mean the file dialog provided by the Plasma integration plugin |
12:47.48 | tosky | with no integration plugin you get the basic Qt file dialog |
12:48.13 | mr_sm1th | It says KDialog though https://i.imgur.com/R8KHTt4.png |
12:48.36 | tosky | that's the Qt file dialo |
12:48.38 | tosky | dialog* |
12:48.46 | mr_sm1th | Ah alright. |
12:48.53 | mr_sm1th | Interesting that it says "KDialog" still. |
12:48.58 | mr_sm1th | That must be a bug. |
12:49.07 | pepo | It's the application name |
12:49.35 | pepo | And it falls back to Qt dialog, because the GTK dialog doesn't offer all API. |
12:49.36 | tosky | http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwidgets-tutorials-addressbook-part6-example.html |
12:49.57 | mr_sm1th | But now the question is: does KDialog respect some other environment variable besides XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP? |
12:50.13 | mr_sm1th | For button order that is. |
12:50.29 | tosky | there are few elements which follows the Qt integration plugin selected |
12:50.38 | tosky | (please don't call it kdialog) |
12:51.05 | tosky | the current desktop is a way to select a Qt integration plugin, which can be also explicitely specified with some other variables |
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12:51.12 | pepo | tosky, he is running the "kdlalog" application |
12:51.27 | tosky | oh |
12:51.30 | mr_sm1th | No. |
12:51.35 | mr_sm1th | Saving files with Chromium. |
12:51.42 | mr_sm1th | And it seems to open "not kdialog". |
12:51.52 | mr_sm1th | If I don't override XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP. |
12:51.57 | pepo | Right. And Chromium uses "kdialog", because they were too lazy to use proper API calls. |
12:52.12 | mr_sm1th | But setting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP to change the button layout seems a bit overkill. |
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12:54.25 | pepo | Overkill would be to use one variable for each platform option. |
12:55.04 | mr_sm1th | Well this is a legitimate problem isn't it? |
12:55.11 | pepo | You can write your own Qt platform plugin where you have full control over each option. |
12:55.21 | mr_sm1th | Why would someone that came from Gnome have to adapt to this button order? |
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12:55.32 | mr_sm1th | It's the same with the side the window decoration buttons are on. |
12:55.52 | mr_sm1th | I am putting them left because I came from OS X. |
12:55.55 | pepo | That's unrelated to Qt. You can change window button order in KWin. |
12:56.17 | xi- | it's literally a setting |
12:56.20 | xi- | in qt |
12:56.36 | mr_sm1th | How do I access Qt settings? |
12:56.48 | mr_sm1th | It's a bit hard to google because of QtSettings. |
12:56.50 | xi- | kwin handles them |
12:57.02 | mr_sm1th | Are we talking about window decoration now? |
12:57.06 | pepo | Qt has no settings, they are decided by the platform plugin. |
12:57.08 | xi- | nope |
12:57.24 | xi- | kwin is far from just being window decorations |
12:57.27 | mr_sm1th | You're telling me I can set button order with KWin. |
12:57.33 | pepo | yes, you can |
12:57.42 | mr_sm1th | Of Cancel/Ok. |
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12:57.50 | tosky | KWin sets the the button of the window decoration |
12:57.56 | pepo | You were talking of decoration buttons |
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12:58.15 | mr_sm1th | I was giving window decorations as an example why button order in dialogs should be a setting. |
12:58.16 | xi- | you can also set the button order on dialogs |
12:58.19 | mr_sm1th | And that it's not overkill. |
12:58.22 | mr_sm1th | xi-: really? |
12:58.25 | xi- | yes |
12:58.28 | mr_sm1th | Do you know what the settings pane is called? |
12:58.40 | pepo | Maybe xi- uses qt5ct |
12:58.55 | xi- | yeah, but I thought KDE could do that too? |
12:58.56 | pepo | That's a third party platform plugin |
12:59.07 | tosky | xi-: Plasma has its own platform plugin |
12:59.58 | mr_sm1th | qt5ct looks promising |
13:00.08 | mr_sm1th | xi-: I don't think KDE can do it. |
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13:00.41 | xi- | I found this https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=97500 |
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13:01.27 | mr_sm1th | Yeah I found that too but I have no idea what the "Input/system junk drawer" is supposed to refer to. |
13:01.39 | pepo | Bespin wasn't ported to Qt5. |
13:01.50 | xi- | oh |
13:02.57 | pepo | But google says there is a fork :P |
13:03.29 | pepo | Bespin looks "different", though. |
13:03.43 | xi- | well your best shot seems to be qt5ct mr_sm1th |
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13:11.15 | mr_sm1th | Things really look funky with qt5ct https://i.imgur.com/HxwdL4I.png vs https://i.imgur.com/G0DIxhS.png |
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13:11.49 | mr_sm1th | But probably my best bet indeed. |
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13:31.55 | mr_sm1th | Found the culprit https://github.com/KDE/plasma-integration/blob/14df7c1067aa8617626ecbf5a81bf09448624422/src/platformtheme/khintssettings.cpp#L112 |
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13:44.03 | mr_sm1th | xi-: I patched plasma-intergration :D |
13:44.28 | xi- | mr_sm1th: nice, how does it look now? |
13:44.28 | mr_sm1th | pepo: xi-: Thanks for your help. |
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13:45.15 | mr_sm1th | xi-: Exactly like you would expect, with the confirmation button on the right: https://i.imgur.com/HNg1lVB.png |
13:45.37 | xi- | success! \o/ |
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13:45.46 | oprypin | mr_sm1th, what distro / tooling do you use for the patch? |
13:45.53 | mr_sm1th | Yeah pretty crazy you can just jump into the source code and do things like this. |
13:46.14 | mr_sm1th | oprypin: I'm running Arch Linux so I used makepkg. |
13:46.25 | mr_sm1th | It's a pretty ugly patch because during the next update it will get overwritten. |
13:46.53 | xi- | that's how all patches are |
13:46.56 | oprypin | yeah. i made a set of hacky scripts to reapply patches on updates but was hoping you'd tell me about something amazing |
13:46.58 | xi- | you should keep it off the package manager |
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13:47.15 | oprypin | xi-, i disagree |
13:47.33 | mr_sm1th | Keep it off the package manager? |
13:47.50 | xi- | build and install it yourself, qt5ct doesn't update that often either |
13:47.52 | xi- | it should be fine |
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13:48.03 | xi- | otherwise you'll have to repatch it every update |
13:48.28 | oprypin | lol plasma-integration gets updated like 4 times a month, not sure what you're talkign about |
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13:50.46 | xi- | oh I thought you were still using qt5ct, nevermind then |
13:51.03 | mr_sm1th | No because that has the visual problem. |
13:51.05 | mr_sm1th | Looks very different. |
13:51.22 | mr_sm1th | I patched plasma-intergration so everything is the same except the button layout. |
13:51.22 | xi- | that's just because it had a different theme, you just had to change it to breeze |
13:51.28 | xi- | sorry I didn't respond when you said it :P |
13:51.36 | xi- | but if your patch works it's good |
13:52.08 | xi- | still, this is a better solution because you'll be able to manage colour schemes and themes through the settings menu without worry |
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13:52.14 | mr_sm1th | It still looks a bit different though. |
13:52.16 | xi- | you'd need to set those through qt5ct otherwise |
13:52.28 | mr_sm1th | And single click folders doesn't work in Dolphin. |
13:52.32 | mr_sm1th | Maybe there's more. |
13:52.53 | mr_sm1th | Do you think plasma-intergration would accept a patch for this? |
13:53.03 | mr_sm1th | Make it a setting in KWin or something? |
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13:56.52 | xi- | probably if you're willing to work on it |
13:57.55 | xi- | you'd just have to implement it roughly and start a phabricator review and see where that gets you, I'm sure they'd be happy to accept a well-made patch |
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14:04.47 | mr_sm1th | I'll look into it, thank you. |
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17:16.52 | tatie | hello how do i add xmodmap command to enable scroll key into autostart in startup settings ? KDE4, Kubuntu 14.04 |
17:18.11 | vivid | can i force the desktop folder view to restart/reload? its frozen again :( |
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17:30.09 | thiago | tatie: if you were using Plasma 5, the startup scripts are in ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env/ |
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17:50.05 | tatie | @thiago ok so thios has to be set up as script? this means i can just add a script in /.config/autostart or add a link to script in autostart setting. |
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17:51.57 | oprypin | vivid, in search bar (alt+space, formerly alt+f2) `killall plasmashell; plasmashell` |
17:52.25 | vivid | that restarts the entire shell? |
17:53.06 | oprypin | yes? |
17:53.47 | vivid | well im just wondering can i use that to restart the task manager as well since it likes to freeze |
17:53.58 | oprypin | probably |
17:54.01 | vivid | ok |
17:54.03 | oprypin | it's not supposed to freeze btw |
17:54.09 | vivid | obviously |
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17:55.02 | tatie | thiago: ok so this has to be set up as script? this means i can just add a script in /.config/autostart or add a link to script in the autostart setting? |
17:55.23 | oprypin | tatie, did you read the condition of the if clause? |
17:57.13 | vivid | it doesnt really freeze either, i can still interact with both of them if i close my eyes and imagine where things are....they just stop drawing for whatever reason |
17:57.34 | oprypin | vivid, nvidia? no compositing? |
17:57.44 | vivid | proprietary nvidia, compositing on |
17:58.04 | vivid | and kde is set to opengl 3.1 |
17:58.06 | oprypin | well i have that happening when compositing is off |
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17:58.27 | vivid | yeah that happens too and i consider that normal |
17:58.30 | vivid | i guess |
17:58.50 | vivid | i found that i can restore the panel by dragging it to a different screen edge and forcing it to update |
17:59.09 | vivid | but the desktop "folder view" (facepalm) still working on that one :p |
18:00.13 | oprypin | what distro? |
18:00.31 | Sho_ | why facepalm |
18:00.33 | asturm | vivid: you should probably not use 3.1. |
18:00.46 | vivid | well we all know its a directory |
18:00.50 | vivid | there are no folders |
18:00.56 | vivid | and ok ill revert it back to 2.0 |
18:01.19 | vivid | cant even change folder in windows cmd.exe... |
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18:01.32 | Sho_ | wat |
18:01.52 | vivid | dir <path> |
18:01.56 | vivid | cd <path> |
18:02.01 | asturm | erm |
18:02.15 | vivid | just things nevermind me, ill set it back to 2.0 |
18:02.30 | Sho_ | vivid: there's etymology for that |
18:03.12 | Sho_ | windows introduced "folder" to refer to directory-like container views vs. directories which are a file system concept |
18:03.22 | Sho_ | since KIO can do more than just list directories, ... |
18:03.30 | vivid | people who didnt know saw the picture is how it came about |
18:03.54 | vivid | just go with the flow instead of educating |
18:04.19 | vivid | totally offtopic though, thanks for the tips hopefully these little issues will calm down |
18:04.45 | Sho_ | shrugs and goes back to making folder view |
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18:09.04 | vivid | ill take the trade of that wording and a couple little issues over a sluggish desktop all day long |
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21:37.21 | vivid | no issues yet since setting to gl2.0 |
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23:43.05 | vivid | so is there any way to get the panel to keep updating when compositing is off? |
23:44.09 | jankusanagi_ | keep updating? |
23:44.35 | vivid | well yeah when i launch a game, for example, compositing toggles off and everything on the panel is as it was some time in the past.. |
23:44.52 | vivid | so its a crapshoot using the task manager or tray icons |
23:45.15 | jankusanagi_ | ah, well, that's different |
23:45.23 | jankusanagi_ | the panel works just fine with compositing off |
23:45.30 | jankusanagi_ | under normal circumstances, that is |
23:46.19 | jankusanagi_ | if you don't need compositing disabled for the game, KWin can be setup to ignore those requests from games |
23:47.46 | vivid | doesnt seem to happen when i toggle it off myself |
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