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| 00:34.10 | muesli | i noticed powerdevil keeps heavily spamming my journal while firefox is playing video |
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| 00:36.42 | muesli | this seems a bit excessive, no? https://paste.kde.org/pxhwzii9k |
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| 00:39.29 | jankusanagi_ | you might be able to disable that via kdebugdialog5 |
| 00:40.11 | muesli | interesting, didn't know that tool... |
| 00:40.32 | muesli | regardless, it does sound a little fishy. fwiw, chrome produces similar messages, but only once at the start of a video |
| 00:40.56 | muesli | what's the "ck"? |
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| 00:43.54 | ges | does anyone ever have the problem where when you type in the application launcher the text itself is above the text box? |
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| 01:11.38 | Jarcode | waves |
| 01:11.42 | Jarcode | is anybody here? |
| 01:11.55 | muesli | about 650 of us |
| 01:13.08 | Jarcode | muesli: well, doesn't mean it's active |
| 01:13.38 | Jarcode | muesli: #kwin doesn't seem to get any responses and I have an issue with desktop windows getting stacked under the desktop window |
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| 01:15.06 | Sho_ | 'desktop windows getting stacked under the desktop window' wat |
| 01:15.23 | Jarcode | Sho_: as in, desktop window types (under the EWMH spec) |
| 01:16.35 | Jarcode | Sho_: setting _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE to _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP does strange things on kwin, although KDE widgets are able to be placed accordingly. |
| 01:17.22 | Jarcode | ie. focusing the desktop window (root window, I assume, unless kwin uses a separate window for the desktop) or switching workspaces just causes desktop windows to be hidden |
| 01:17.53 | Jarcode | it's a bit of a niche case and was hoping a KDE developer could shed some light on the issue considering most other WMs respect this properly. |
| 01:19.49 | Jarcode | sighs |
| 01:20.00 | Jarcode | I guess I'll go find a mailing list or something to ask in |
| 01:20.06 | jankusanagi_ | you should probably try in #kde-devel |
| 01:20.12 | jankusanagi_ | if you're looking for _developers_ |
| 01:20.23 | jankusanagi_ | plus, probably not the best time of the day |
| 01:20.32 | Sho_ | I do know we handle _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP special in the stacking order, but I can't really remember the details off the cuff |
| 01:20.39 | Jarcode | yeah I'm just going to use the mailing list. |
| 01:20.48 | Sho_ | note that widgets aren't in seperate windows though |
| 01:21.05 | Jarcode | Sho_: the problem is that for some strange reason, KDE includes the desktop wallpaper itself in the stacking list of desktop windows |
| 01:21.23 | jankusanagi_ | Plasma |
| 01:21.28 | jankusanagi_ | that's optional btw |
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| 01:25.08 | Sho_ | that's because the desktop wallpaper is a _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP window with _NET_WM_STATE_BELOW |
| 01:25.31 | Jarcode | Sho_: the _NET_WM_STATE_BELOW and _NET_WM_STATE_ABOVE atoms do nothing on kwin |
| 01:25.47 | Jarcode | Sho_: also, why can't the wallpaper just be drawn on the root window? |
| 01:26.00 | Jarcode | (like every other WM, except for mutter, because gnome devs are special) |
| 01:28.13 | Jarcode | Sho_: oh, I should say, those atoms do nothing for _desktop_ windows. |
| 01:28.35 | Jarcode | pretty sure they work fine for other window types otherwise a lot more people would be complaining |
| 01:28.46 | jankusanagi_ | again, the desktop being included in the list of windows is _optional_ |
| 01:29.05 | Jarcode | jankusanagi_: oh, that's what you meant by being optional? |
| 01:29.23 | Jarcode | jankusanagi_: ... uh, how would I go about telling my users to disable that? |
| 01:29.38 | jankusanagi_ | task switcher setting in Plasma's System Settings |
| 01:30.06 | jankusanagi_ | or right-clicking any title bar â more actions â window manager settings |
| 01:30.40 | Sho_ | jankusanagi_: Jarcode is talking about something more low-level, nothing to do with Alt+Tab |
| 01:31.02 | jankusanagi_ | well, he didn't say what the actual problem was, so just guessing here... |
| 01:31.02 | Jarcode | jankusanagi_: yeah I think you are mistaken here |
| 01:31.14 | Jarcode | jankusanagi_: I did make it quite clear, what do you not understand? |
| 01:31.21 | jankusanagi_ | nevermind... |
| 01:32.19 | Jarcode | there's EWMH atoms for skipping pagers and taskbars that seem to work fine for getting KDE to ignore my window |
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| 01:32.59 | Jarcode | however KDE still manages desktop window in their own special little stacking order and weird things happen on workspace switches and focusing the desktop |
| 01:33.07 | Jarcode | desktop windows* |
| 01:33.34 | Jarcode | I will just send something to the mailing list later today |
| 01:34.27 | Jarcode | I'm fairly sure this is also a bug too, desktop windows don't seem to be blatantly unsupported either so this looks like a half-assed implementation that was never tested since KDE widgets are usually used instead here |
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| 01:35.58 | Sho_ | I'd suggest being a little bit less combative and full of yourself when writing to the list, but otherwise that's the way to go, sure |
| 01:36.23 | Jarcode | Yeah, I'm just a little frustrated since I've had this issue for over a month now |
| 01:37.24 | Jarcode | going to see if I can get KDE installed into a systemd-nspawn container w/ Xephyr |
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| 01:47.18 | Sho_ | as for why the wallpaper isn't just drawn into the root window, one reason is that effects like the desktop grid are a lot easier if you have seperate client windows for each desktop within the screen if the wallpaper drawing isn't done in the window manager. it means the scene/compositor code can be generic. if you draw to the root window directly (which is the size of the screen), you can't do that |
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| 02:52.00 | Jarcode | Sho_: alright, but that doesn't explain why other desktop features get misplaced during the routines that arrange the desktop windows |
| 02:52.34 | Jarcode | Sho_: which is why I guessed it's a bug (or consequence) from the way desktop windows are handled in KDE |
| 02:53.03 | Jarcode | (perhaps support for desktop windows were added before desktop background were separated from the root window) |
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| 03:00.23 | Sho_ | Jarcode: I could well be a bug. I had a quick look at the code earlier, and basically there's binning windows into layers and generic stacking code within each layer. The desktop layer is at the bottom, but above/below are implemented via layers (DesktopLayer > BelowLayer > NormalLayer > AboveLayer, modulo some other unrelated ones) which is why above/below don't work relative between multiple desktop windows |
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| 03:02.04 | Sho_ | I'm assuming you're trying to put a desktop window above Plasma's, and I don't think the code cares to make this work well currently, perhaps also due to regressions during heavy refactoring for Wayland |
| 03:03.04 | Sho_ | I'd suggest a bug report with a good explanation and a testcase |
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| 09:04.13 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
| 09:05.01 | ktecho | Mornin |
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| 09:23.24 | kiuma | hi, please help. I've a small problem with application icons in "Application & Documents". For application I've installed manually (like intellij and webstorm) I'm not able to see the associated icon (that is an svg icon). This doesn't happen in search |
| 09:23.38 | kiuma | Any hint to solve this issue ? |
| 09:24.57 | Sho_ | is not familiar with Application & Documents |
| 09:25.30 | ktecho | kiuma: it happened to me with two installed apps, but it got fixed itself without me doing anything. So I would ask you: have you rebooted the machine? |
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| 09:31.03 | ktecho | does kde have a unstable ppa for Ubuntu where I can use the latest developments? I've seen the Nate Graham summary from latest weeks and new features are awesome. Can't wait to try :) |
| 09:32.55 | Kon- | ktecho, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports - But it's not really for the unstable or in development builds |
| 09:33.43 | Kon- | IIRC the best way to try these is with KDE Neon Developer Edition, which is Ubuntu LTS but with new KDE stuff |
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| 09:36.20 | ktecho | Kon, yeah, I know backports, but would be nice to try 5.13 :) |
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| 09:36.41 | ktecho | I'll wait, doesn't matter :) |
| 09:37.39 | temadze33[m] | Hi to everybody. |
| 09:37.40 | temadze33[m] | What are this group for? |
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| 09:39.28 | Kon- | Hi temadze33[m], this channel is centered around free software by KDE, including the Plasma desktop environment for Linux, digital painting app Krita, and others |
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| 09:48.08 | Aristide | Hello ! |
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| 09:48.24 | Aristide | Do you plan to put Kpart support into Dolphin (In long term or short term) ? |
| 09:48.30 | Aristide | Like konqueror |
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| 09:48.55 | kiuma | ktecho, I've this problem since some days now |
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| 09:50.01 | kiuma | has kde some sort of caching for application icons ? |
| 09:50.35 | ktecho | kiuma: I don't know. I've seen this problem when I installed Kubuntu 18.04 daily, but it got fixed without me doing anything. |
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| 09:51.22 | kiuma | so, maybe I should ask on my distro channel |
| 09:51.24 | gryffus | Hello, i have accidentally changed GUI language of Kontact app and since then, it is crashing on startup. Is it possible to change the UI language back in some configuration file? I was not able to find out the language settings in "~/.config/kmail2rc". Where is it stored? |
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| 10:08.53 | gryffus | Where is the configuration for application language stored in KDE? |
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| 10:18.59 | gryffus | The file is located on ~/.config/klanguageoverridesrc ... Thanks gryffus :x |
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| 10:31.18 | idoko | is there a way to close widget popups if i click outside of it? I'm running kde on manjaro |
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| 10:32.48 | idoko | is there a way to close widget popups if i click outside of it? I'm running kde on manjaro |
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| 10:55.18 | kts | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391954 Does anyone experience this bug? |
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| 10:58.24 | tosky | kts: what is the version of plasma? The component is not correct - Frameworks is a library |
| 10:58.41 | tosky | kts: check what kinfocenter says, and please reassign to the proper component (probably plasma-desktop) |
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| 11:18.06 | kts | tosky: it's 5.44, 5.12.3, the latest arch, the latest distribution |
| 11:18.49 | kts | tosky: I want to know whether I'm alone with this bug. |
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| 11:22.10 | tosky | kts: not everyone may have the same configuration, that's why I suggest to fix the information in the bug, or it will never be noticed |
| 11:24.00 | kts | tosky: Changed it. I mean it's a regression and obvious. |
| 11:25.28 | kts | tosky: Concerning configuration, I created new user account on the same machine. It still manifests. |
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| 11:28.18 | zsiraf_ | Hi! |
| 11:28.43 | zsiraf_ | There was QuickLaunch applet for KDE4 |
| 11:29.18 | zsiraf_ | Is it (or something like that) available for plasma 5.12? |
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| 12:03.38 | Sho_ | Yes |
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| 12:05.50 | idoko | is there a way to hide widget popup once i click outside of it? |
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| 12:10.49 | Sho_ | That's what they do by default |
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| 12:17.46 | idoko | not really, I need to click it again before it disappears |
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| 12:22.08 | Sho_ | That's abnormal |
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| 12:53.48 | atannus | Hi... Here's what Plasmashell is doing to my CPU (before and after "killall plasmashell & kstart plasmashell"). I've read endless threads about inumerous causes, but found no fix. Is there one? https://imagebin.ca/v/3vPiy2N0geXS |
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| 12:54.24 | atannus | Once killed/restarted, the problem comes back within a few hours with no discernable cause. |
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| 14:01.04 | jankusanagi_ | don't "killall", use kquitapp5 =) |
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| 16:04.47 | atannus | JanKusanagi: I'd rather fix the problem, wouldn't you? |
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| 16:56.26 | badazz | hi |
| 17:00.30 | badazz | hi |
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| 17:12.23 | Tibertiues | Hi |
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| 17:28.43 | Tibertiues | Is there a way to indicate through the window decoration that a window is toggled on above others? |
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| 17:36.34 | jankusanagi_ | if you add the "keep above" button to the title bar |
| 17:36.34 | jankusanagi_ | it should appear "pressed" |
| 17:40.42 | tpr | and it appears as such :-) that's my default config for years now |
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| 17:45.40 | Tibertiues | jankusanagi_: Thank you! I did not know that. |
| 17:46.41 | jankusanagi_ | yw =) |
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| 20:54.15 | dumbl3d0re | How do I change the menubar style of an existing panel in KDE Plasma 5.12 |
| 20:54.17 | dumbl3d0re | ? |
| 20:54.53 | dumbl3d0re | I only find instructions for 5.9, and it seems that it have changed a little since then. |
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| 21:01.54 | yann-kaelig | this 5.12 kde version is disastrous for all applications: Dolphin > The process for the baloosearch protocol died unexpectedly. |
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| 21:04.52 | asturm | well well |
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| 21:39.28 | JanKusanagi | ah, but you actually read what he says? xDD |
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| 21:40.19 | JanKusanagi | dumbl3d0re: what do you mean, "menubar style of a panel"? |
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| 21:53.08 | dumbl3d0re | JanKusanagi: If I want a global menu panel it seems that you could change a setting that you found in System Settings --> Application Style --> Widget Style and Behavior --> Fine Tuning [tab] --> Menubar style [option]. In 5.12 it seems that option has been moved or changed. |
| 21:57.37 | JanKusanagi | ah, I think that's gone because it's autodetected |
| 21:57.53 | JanKusanagi | when you add a global menu widget somewhere |
| 21:59.30 | dumbl3d0re | Okey |
| 21:59.53 | JanKusanagi | (or add the global menu button to the window decoration buttons) |
| 22:00.23 | dumbl3d0re | That seems like a plausible answer for me. |
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