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05:27.02ArchAntergosKDEwhenever I run kodi (media player) in fullscreen my second monitor freezes (appears to display a cached instance)
05:27.10ArchAntergosKDEI found this thread on kde.org which matches my issue but no solution
05:27.16ArchAntergosKDEhttps://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?t=137410
05:27.33ArchAntergosKDEon kde plasma 5.11.4
05:27.59ArchAntergosKDEnvidia graphics card
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05:59.25crazyArchAntergosKDE: so /join #kodi and ask kodi folks ?
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06:14.31ArchAntergosKDEcrazy, will do thanks
06:18.19ArchAntergosKDEcrazy, though it is possible the issue is not with kodi but with kde or my nvidia driver or who knows what so any help is appreciated
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06:27.00crazyArchAntergosKDE: well is simple to find out no ?
06:27.40crazytry your setup with some kde based media player in full screen mode
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06:28.23ArchAntergosKDEwhat?
06:28.44ArchAntergosKDEhow does that mean kde has nothign to do with it?
06:28.49crazytry kodi setup but remove any nvidia closed source dirver(s) , reboot your box and try with open source one
06:29.02ArchAntergosKDEthe issue comes from kde and kodi and nvidia interacting
06:29.14ArchAntergosKDEcan't just say it's all ones fault with no basis
06:29.30ArchAntergosKDEstep 1: remove video drivers?
06:29.34crazyyou can't tell anything to start with
06:29.38ArchAntergosKDEI'm a noob but that seems extreem
06:29.55crazyall you can tell you have an issue
06:30.04ArchAntergosKDEyeah
06:30.31ArchAntergosKDEis there  guide to doing that somewhere so I don't end up having to recover from a command prompt?
06:30.45crazyso install any kde/qt based media player , run full screen and see whatever it freeze
06:31.03ArchAntergosKDEcan you name one?
06:31.11ArchAntergosKDEI think my install is pretty bare bones might not have any installed
06:31.21crazyif yes , remove whole closed source driver try open source
06:31.43ArchAntergosKDEI have vlc installed, don't think that co9unts as kde native right?
06:31.49ArchAntergosKDE-9
06:31.49crazyif you still get the same issue it may be something wrong with plasma too
06:32.08crazyyou can try with vlc is qt5 GUI ( or should be 9
06:32.13crazy*)
06:32.32ArchAntergosKDEkk
06:32.42crazyif you find out is _the closed source nvidia driver_ nothing can be done
06:32.58crazyor almost nothing
06:33.14ArchAntergosKDEyeah vlc has no issue
06:33.42crazyso nvidia+other player no issue so can't be plasma right ?:)
06:33.53crazyso seems nvidia is ok ?
06:33.57ArchAntergosKDEwell like I said
06:34.03crazyso kodi left :)
06:34.07ArchAntergosKDEit is plasma + kodi issue
06:34.19crazyno is kodi issue then
06:34.37ArchAntergosKDEasked in kodi, responder said has no such issue on their setup
06:34.51crazywhy do you think plasma need take care of whatever kodi is doing ?
06:35.06ArchAntergosKDEactually they only said they are on ubuntu, didn't say DE
06:35.45ArchAntergosKDEcrazy, I am just trying to solve my issue, kodi has limited options and settings for this, where as plasma has many more variables
06:35.53ArchAntergosKDEI have treied everything I can think of with kodi
06:36.05ArchAntergosKDEalso the only thread about this I could find was posted on kde.org
06:36.18crazyso you want plasma to workaround kodi bugs ? heh
06:36.20ArchAntergosKDEso it is somethign to do with kodi on plasma
06:36.58crazymay be but is UP to kodi developers to fix 'kodi on plasma , not the other way around , right ?
06:37.04ArchAntergosKDEcrazy, if you don't want to help don't, but this is the kind of help I would expect from micro$$ not volunteers on linux
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06:38.25ArchAntergosKDEit's so easy to point the finger at the other developers
06:38.41ArchAntergosKDEI'm not looking to assign blame, just find a solution
06:38.46crazydude what help do you want ? I've told you to test and figure where the issue may be and since is ONLY kodi acting weird nothing to be done but find the kodi bug(s)
06:39.14ArchAntergosKDEit's kodi ONLY acting weird on kde
06:39.18ArchAntergosKDEkodi works fine elsewhere
06:39.25ArchAntergosKDEI'm not saying it's not a kodi bug
06:39.38ArchAntergosKDEbut if the kodi devs want to figure out the issue, who are they going to ask?
06:39.43ArchAntergosKDEkde folks I would think
06:40.16crazywell they'll ask you to debug most probably
06:40.21ArchAntergosKDEI asked in #kodi-linux as per your suggestion, we couldn't figure it out
06:40.34ArchAntergosKDEthis is a more active room so I'm continuing to try in here from another angle
06:40.40crazyor someone can reroduce the issue on some testing setup they have
06:41.15ArchAntergosKDEdid my test with vlc rule out the nvidia drivers?
06:42.14crazyArchAntergosKDE: at least it told qt5 && plasma or vlc and plasma does not have such issue .. OFC kodi may have some problems with nvidia
06:42.47crazyso try remove it , including the kernel driver(s) , reboot and test with open source one if you wish
06:42.54crazythen you'll know more
06:42.54ArchAntergosKDEcould be the linux nvidia drivers, didn't get this issue on windows on the smae metal
06:43.25crazypossible .. nvidia closed source driver is utter crap on Linux
06:43.36ArchAntergosKDEdo you have an nvidia card?
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06:44.16crazynot anymore .. to much issues on Linux and I don't own any windows boxes
06:44.26ArchAntergosKDEso radeon then?
06:44.37ArchAntergosKDEany downside to the switch?
06:45.01crazyyes AMD/INTEL , INTEL and AMD boxes
06:45.55crazyI'm not a gamer so for what I'm doing all is fine for me .. I hit some bugs from time to time on some kernel upgrades but all where quick fixed
06:46.47ArchAntergosKDEyeah found a thread from 3 months ago saying proprietary driver is better hands down for nvidia
06:47.02ArchAntergosKDEintel makes graphics cards?
06:48.31ArchAntergosKDEyeah seems using the nouveau drivers is not a good option
06:48.38ArchAntergosKDEmaybe should htink about switchign to radeon xD
06:48.46crazywell built-in ones :)
06:48.53crazy$ lspci | egrep 'VGA|Display'
06:48.53crazy00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 510 (rev 07)
06:48.53crazy01:00.0 Display controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / R7 M520] (rev 83)
06:49.11ArchAntergosKDExD guess that's good enoguh for no gaming ;)
06:49.26DatseMultimedia[Nouveau doesn't even work with my video card.  I can't get into X at all.
06:49.39crazythats from this laptop ..
06:50.34crazyArchAntergosKDE: even gaming works however I don't care much about gaming :)
06:51.05crazyDatseMultimedia[: what nvidia GPU is that ?
06:51.42DatseMultimedia[1050 ti if memory serves.
06:53.45ArchAntergosKDEhey I do have a plasma specific issue that yall might be able to help with
06:53.54ArchAntergosKDEI have some widgets set up on both of my monitors
06:54.05ArchAntergosKDEduplicates for when one set is covered
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06:54.18ArchAntergosKDEbut the ones on my second monitor don't display correctly
06:54.23ArchAntergosKDEmost of the time, maybe always
06:54.37ArchAntergosKDEfor example the network monitoe doesn't show a graph
06:54.56ArchAntergosKDEactually mainly graphs CPU Load Monitor and Memory Status graphs are missing as well
06:55.02ArchAntergosKDEall work fine on first monitor
06:55.06ArchAntergosKDEsecond monitor nothing
06:55.31ArchAntergosKDEI thought I was having issues with widgets freezing entirely but now I think that was just the kodi issue
06:55.32DatseMultimedia[I've had similar things happen.  I haven't found a way to have it consistent though.
06:55.38ArchAntergosKDEthe missing graphs is definitly jsut kde thoguh
06:55.40crazyDatseMultimedia[: so is a NV137 (GP107) Pascal ? should work with Nouveau .. what kernel are you using ? and what xorg/mesa version ?
06:56.34ArchAntergosKDEfrom the many posts in the thread I just read (3 months old) there is no point in using nouveau if you care about performance at all
06:56.47ArchAntergosKDEif just having it work is all that matters then yeah open source all the way
06:57.29ArchAntergosKDEbut since nvidia doesn't cooperate or share any code with nouveau they can't come close to matching the proprietary drivers when it comes to gaming
06:57.56crazyArchAntergosKDE: whatever you use at the end does not matter much .. I've just told you to try so we can see whatever nvidia driver causing some issues..
06:58.31ArchAntergosKDEoh you still think I should try? I thought we gave up on that since VLC worked fine
06:58.54DatseMultimedia[4.12.12 kernel, 1.19.5 xorg-server, and 17.3.0 mesa.  But those have all updated since I was building this system.  So things could well have changed to fix all those problems.
06:59.20crazyyes Nouveau is slower , etc however you need to remeber is 'reverse engineering' and for that matter it does work very good ..
06:59.41ArchAntergosKDEDatseMultimedia[, you said you couldn't get the widget graphs to work consistently, but did you find a way to get them working at all?
06:59.46crazyalso nvidia blobbs _cannot be fixed_ :/
06:59.54ArchAntergosKDElike can I at least refresh them somehow to have them work momentarily?
06:59.56DatseMultimedia[It doesn't really matter.
07:00.52DatseMultimedia[ArchAntergosKDE: not sure if it's the same issue, but there are several things which stop working on one (or even both) screens that the only way to get them back is to log out, and log back in.  Sometimes resizing will fix things, but not always.
07:01.25ArchAntergosKDEwell you can restart plasmashell and kwin
07:01.33ArchAntergosKDEa bit easier than loggin out
07:01.38DatseMultimedia[It doesn't matter whether or not I can get Nouveau working or not now.  I have a working system now (mostly, it's a bit quirky, but I expect that).
07:01.38ArchAntergosKDEthough I don't know if it is cleaner
07:03.29crazyDatseMultimedia[: should be all fine , when I remember right 4.10 added support for the Pascal series but with limited support bc there was no firmware released by nvidia at that point so 4.12.x should OK
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07:05.00DatseMultimedia[OK, I think I started with 4.9, which explains why I didn't have it working at that point.
07:08.58ArchAntergosKDEhmm every time I open system settigns it's closing itself immediately
07:12.17ArchAntergosKDEbtw I seem to have foudn a workaround for the kodi issue, if I fullscreen kodi from the kde window menu instead of through kodi the second monitor continues working as normal
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07:13.28DatseMultimedia[That may be related to the same problems I have seen then.
07:13.58ArchAntergosKDEany ideas about the system settings?
07:14.09DatseMultimedia[Not seen that problem.
07:14.18ArchAntergosKDEhave had this issue before where it closes on it's own (not sure the cause) but usually when I start it again it sticks
07:14.25ArchAntergosKDEnot sticking this time
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07:25.29GeneralZodis there a keyboard shortcut for right click menu?
07:25.35GeneralZodcontext menu
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07:36.43ArchAntergosKDE* full screen from the "window operations menu" *
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07:47.08GeneralZodwhats context menu called in shortcut settings?
07:47.21GeneralZodi can't find it...
07:48.12GeneralZod...
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08:46.28sacardehi
08:47.17sacardethere is a way to modify date format... from dd/mm/yy to dd-mm-yy ? in kubuntu 17
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09:06.03Deknossacarde: in which display/program?
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09:09.04sacardein all kde
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09:09.42sacardein kde4, in systemconfiguration was possible to do that
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09:19.12Deknosat least for the digital clock you can do this with the context menu. you can change stuff according to your regional stuff in system settings and activate detailled settings for time. but this is the regional stuff either.
09:19.37Deknosi am not aware for detached possibilites of date-configuration
09:19.51Deknosbut i would not rule it out.
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13:01.12BluesKajHi folks and Merry Christmas!
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13:41.45MichaelOFBluesKaj: merry x-mas to you, too!
13:42.11BluesKajhey MichaelOF thanks :-)
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14:01.44aienaHow do I remove the mapping to Alt key for window drag in KDE?  I looked in "GLobal settings" under KWin but not sure where exactly it is
14:02.06aienaI need an app to consume the shortcut but the DE consumes it before the app can react
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14:24.54sibokHi, KDE Plasma is not activating num lock even i have this setting enabled through systemsettings5->Input Devices ->Keyboard, any way to debug this issue? thx :)
14:25.44ToxicFrogaiena: systemsettings -> workspace -> window manager -> window behaviour -> window actions
14:25.52aienathanks
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16:04.16BluesKajsibok, system settings>input devices>keyboard>capslock key behaviour
16:04.44BluesKajoops wrong path, sibok
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16:09.01BluesKajsibok, system settings>input devices>keyboard>numbers lock "on or off "
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16:37.33sibokBluesKaj: that's what i explicitly told suddenly stopped working for me :)
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16:47.51BluesKajsibok, make sure your numbers lock on the KB is not "on" , otherwise I'm out of ideas ;-)
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17:09.50rindolfBluesKaj: hi, sup?
17:11.22BluesKajHey rindolf ...lunch here, how about you?
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17:11.51rindolfBluesKaj: i've been working on freecell solver
17:13.11rindolfBluesKaj: also on some documents
17:14.06BluesKajthere's a blast from the past ..freecell. Wife used to play it 20yrs ago iirc
17:14.23rindolfBluesKaj: ah
17:14.53rindolfBluesKaj: i've been working on the solver since the year 2000
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17:15.25BluesKajheh :-)
17:16.26rindolfBluesKaj: see http://fc-solve.shlomifish.org/faq.html
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18:58.41i3menubar[m]Where in system setting would I find  how to change my cursor and stuff?
18:59.46JanKusanagithere's a search box
19:00.01i3menubar[m]Im a blind man
19:00.03JanKusanagibut mostly in the "Appearance" section
19:00.13i3menubar[m]thanks fam
19:01.07JanKusanagi"workspace theme" contains the cursor theme config and the Plasma shell look config
19:01.44JanKusanagi"application style" contains the configuration for widgets inside programs (buttons and such), and window decorations
19:03.54i3menubar[m]uploaded an image: Selection_079.png (2KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/WpyPpuiMInisdLHCZoWkWGdE>
19:04.04i3menubar[m]So how do I make the cursor like stop doing that
19:04.18i3menubar[m]because its always doing the loading thing when I am in my i3
19:04.25i3menubar[m]and wish it to stopith
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19:43.14JanKusanagithat's the "launch feedback"
19:43.28JanKusanagiunder personalization→applications→launch feedback
19:47.13i3menubar[m]Thank you JanKusanagi
19:47.20i3menubar[m]its been bugging me
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19:47.35i3menubar[m]Now the only other thin i can seem to find is how to change the start up sound
19:47.43i3menubar[m]My friend did it at one point
19:47.52i3menubar[m]and my computer screams when it launches now
19:48.04i3menubar[m]I would wish it not so scream anymore he memed me
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19:59.10i3menubar[m]wow
19:59.12i3menubar[m]figured it out
19:59.22i3menubar[m]I just had to scroll down
19:59.29i3menubar[m]I played myself
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20:50.03JanKusanagi:D
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23:40.00sibokHi, is there any app for KDE to adjust screen color temperature? Like mac OSX, Windows, Gnome night shift?
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23:41.00asturmsibok: plasma-applet-redshift-control
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