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05:27.02 | ArchAntergosKDE | whenever I run kodi (media player) in fullscreen my second monitor freezes (appears to display a cached instance) |
05:27.10 | ArchAntergosKDE | I found this thread on kde.org which matches my issue but no solution |
05:27.16 | ArchAntergosKDE | https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?t=137410 |
05:27.33 | ArchAntergosKDE | on kde plasma 5.11.4 |
05:27.59 | ArchAntergosKDE | nvidia graphics card |
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05:59.25 | crazy | ArchAntergosKDE: so /join #kodi and ask kodi folks ? |
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06:14.31 | ArchAntergosKDE | crazy, will do thanks |
06:18.19 | ArchAntergosKDE | crazy, though it is possible the issue is not with kodi but with kde or my nvidia driver or who knows what so any help is appreciated |
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06:27.00 | crazy | ArchAntergosKDE: well is simple to find out no ? |
06:27.40 | crazy | try your setup with some kde based media player in full screen mode |
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06:28.23 | ArchAntergosKDE | what? |
06:28.44 | ArchAntergosKDE | how does that mean kde has nothign to do with it? |
06:28.49 | crazy | try kodi setup but remove any nvidia closed source dirver(s) , reboot your box and try with open source one |
06:29.02 | ArchAntergosKDE | the issue comes from kde and kodi and nvidia interacting |
06:29.14 | ArchAntergosKDE | can't just say it's all ones fault with no basis |
06:29.30 | ArchAntergosKDE | step 1: remove video drivers? |
06:29.34 | crazy | you can't tell anything to start with |
06:29.38 | ArchAntergosKDE | I'm a noob but that seems extreem |
06:29.55 | crazy | all you can tell you have an issue |
06:30.04 | ArchAntergosKDE | yeah |
06:30.31 | ArchAntergosKDE | is there guide to doing that somewhere so I don't end up having to recover from a command prompt? |
06:30.45 | crazy | so install any kde/qt based media player , run full screen and see whatever it freeze |
06:31.03 | ArchAntergosKDE | can you name one? |
06:31.11 | ArchAntergosKDE | I think my install is pretty bare bones might not have any installed |
06:31.21 | crazy | if yes , remove whole closed source driver try open source |
06:31.43 | ArchAntergosKDE | I have vlc installed, don't think that co9unts as kde native right? |
06:31.49 | ArchAntergosKDE | -9 |
06:31.49 | crazy | if you still get the same issue it may be something wrong with plasma too |
06:32.08 | crazy | you can try with vlc is qt5 GUI ( or should be 9 |
06:32.13 | crazy | *) |
06:32.32 | ArchAntergosKDE | kk |
06:32.42 | crazy | if you find out is _the closed source nvidia driver_ nothing can be done |
06:32.58 | crazy | or almost nothing |
06:33.14 | ArchAntergosKDE | yeah vlc has no issue |
06:33.42 | crazy | so nvidia+other player no issue so can't be plasma right ?:) |
06:33.53 | crazy | so seems nvidia is ok ? |
06:33.57 | ArchAntergosKDE | well like I said |
06:34.03 | crazy | so kodi left :) |
06:34.07 | ArchAntergosKDE | it is plasma + kodi issue |
06:34.19 | crazy | no is kodi issue then |
06:34.37 | ArchAntergosKDE | asked in kodi, responder said has no such issue on their setup |
06:34.51 | crazy | why do you think plasma need take care of whatever kodi is doing ? |
06:35.06 | ArchAntergosKDE | actually they only said they are on ubuntu, didn't say DE |
06:35.45 | ArchAntergosKDE | crazy, I am just trying to solve my issue, kodi has limited options and settings for this, where as plasma has many more variables |
06:35.53 | ArchAntergosKDE | I have treied everything I can think of with kodi |
06:36.05 | ArchAntergosKDE | also the only thread about this I could find was posted on kde.org |
06:36.18 | crazy | so you want plasma to workaround kodi bugs ? heh |
06:36.20 | ArchAntergosKDE | so it is somethign to do with kodi on plasma |
06:36.58 | crazy | may be but is UP to kodi developers to fix 'kodi on plasma , not the other way around , right ? |
06:37.04 | ArchAntergosKDE | crazy, if you don't want to help don't, but this is the kind of help I would expect from micro$$ not volunteers on linux |
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06:38.25 | ArchAntergosKDE | it's so easy to point the finger at the other developers |
06:38.41 | ArchAntergosKDE | I'm not looking to assign blame, just find a solution |
06:38.46 | crazy | dude what help do you want ? I've told you to test and figure where the issue may be and since is ONLY kodi acting weird nothing to be done but find the kodi bug(s) |
06:39.14 | ArchAntergosKDE | it's kodi ONLY acting weird on kde |
06:39.18 | ArchAntergosKDE | kodi works fine elsewhere |
06:39.25 | ArchAntergosKDE | I'm not saying it's not a kodi bug |
06:39.38 | ArchAntergosKDE | but if the kodi devs want to figure out the issue, who are they going to ask? |
06:39.43 | ArchAntergosKDE | kde folks I would think |
06:40.16 | crazy | well they'll ask you to debug most probably |
06:40.21 | ArchAntergosKDE | I asked in #kodi-linux as per your suggestion, we couldn't figure it out |
06:40.34 | ArchAntergosKDE | this is a more active room so I'm continuing to try in here from another angle |
06:40.40 | crazy | or someone can reroduce the issue on some testing setup they have |
06:41.15 | ArchAntergosKDE | did my test with vlc rule out the nvidia drivers? |
06:42.14 | crazy | ArchAntergosKDE: at least it told qt5 && plasma or vlc and plasma does not have such issue .. OFC kodi may have some problems with nvidia |
06:42.47 | crazy | so try remove it , including the kernel driver(s) , reboot and test with open source one if you wish |
06:42.54 | crazy | then you'll know more |
06:42.54 | ArchAntergosKDE | could be the linux nvidia drivers, didn't get this issue on windows on the smae metal |
06:43.25 | crazy | possible .. nvidia closed source driver is utter crap on Linux |
06:43.36 | ArchAntergosKDE | do you have an nvidia card? |
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06:44.16 | crazy | not anymore .. to much issues on Linux and I don't own any windows boxes |
06:44.26 | ArchAntergosKDE | so radeon then? |
06:44.37 | ArchAntergosKDE | any downside to the switch? |
06:45.01 | crazy | yes AMD/INTEL , INTEL and AMD boxes |
06:45.55 | crazy | I'm not a gamer so for what I'm doing all is fine for me .. I hit some bugs from time to time on some kernel upgrades but all where quick fixed |
06:46.47 | ArchAntergosKDE | yeah found a thread from 3 months ago saying proprietary driver is better hands down for nvidia |
06:47.02 | ArchAntergosKDE | intel makes graphics cards? |
06:48.31 | ArchAntergosKDE | yeah seems using the nouveau drivers is not a good option |
06:48.38 | ArchAntergosKDE | maybe should htink about switchign to radeon xD |
06:48.46 | crazy | well built-in ones :) |
06:48.53 | crazy | $ lspci | egrep 'VGA|Display' |
06:48.53 | crazy | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 510 (rev 07) |
06:48.53 | crazy | 01:00.0 Display controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / R7 M520] (rev 83) |
06:49.11 | ArchAntergosKDE | xD guess that's good enoguh for no gaming ;) |
06:49.26 | DatseMultimedia[ | Nouveau doesn't even work with my video card. I can't get into X at all. |
06:49.39 | crazy | thats from this laptop .. |
06:50.34 | crazy | ArchAntergosKDE: even gaming works however I don't care much about gaming :) |
06:51.05 | crazy | DatseMultimedia[: what nvidia GPU is that ? |
06:51.42 | DatseMultimedia[ | 1050 ti if memory serves. |
06:53.45 | ArchAntergosKDE | hey I do have a plasma specific issue that yall might be able to help with |
06:53.54 | ArchAntergosKDE | I have some widgets set up on both of my monitors |
06:54.05 | ArchAntergosKDE | duplicates for when one set is covered |
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06:54.18 | ArchAntergosKDE | but the ones on my second monitor don't display correctly |
06:54.23 | ArchAntergosKDE | most of the time, maybe always |
06:54.37 | ArchAntergosKDE | for example the network monitoe doesn't show a graph |
06:54.56 | ArchAntergosKDE | actually mainly graphs CPU Load Monitor and Memory Status graphs are missing as well |
06:55.02 | ArchAntergosKDE | all work fine on first monitor |
06:55.06 | ArchAntergosKDE | second monitor nothing |
06:55.31 | ArchAntergosKDE | I thought I was having issues with widgets freezing entirely but now I think that was just the kodi issue |
06:55.32 | DatseMultimedia[ | I've had similar things happen. I haven't found a way to have it consistent though. |
06:55.38 | ArchAntergosKDE | the missing graphs is definitly jsut kde thoguh |
06:55.40 | crazy | DatseMultimedia[: so is a NV137 (GP107) Pascal ? should work with Nouveau .. what kernel are you using ? and what xorg/mesa version ? |
06:56.34 | ArchAntergosKDE | from the many posts in the thread I just read (3 months old) there is no point in using nouveau if you care about performance at all |
06:56.47 | ArchAntergosKDE | if just having it work is all that matters then yeah open source all the way |
06:57.29 | ArchAntergosKDE | but since nvidia doesn't cooperate or share any code with nouveau they can't come close to matching the proprietary drivers when it comes to gaming |
06:57.56 | crazy | ArchAntergosKDE: whatever you use at the end does not matter much .. I've just told you to try so we can see whatever nvidia driver causing some issues.. |
06:58.31 | ArchAntergosKDE | oh you still think I should try? I thought we gave up on that since VLC worked fine |
06:58.54 | DatseMultimedia[ | 4.12.12 kernel, 1.19.5 xorg-server, and 17.3.0 mesa. But those have all updated since I was building this system. So things could well have changed to fix all those problems. |
06:59.20 | crazy | yes Nouveau is slower , etc however you need to remeber is 'reverse engineering' and for that matter it does work very good .. |
06:59.41 | ArchAntergosKDE | DatseMultimedia[, you said you couldn't get the widget graphs to work consistently, but did you find a way to get them working at all? |
06:59.46 | crazy | also nvidia blobbs _cannot be fixed_ :/ |
06:59.54 | ArchAntergosKDE | like can I at least refresh them somehow to have them work momentarily? |
06:59.56 | DatseMultimedia[ | It doesn't really matter. |
07:00.52 | DatseMultimedia[ | ArchAntergosKDE: not sure if it's the same issue, but there are several things which stop working on one (or even both) screens that the only way to get them back is to log out, and log back in. Sometimes resizing will fix things, but not always. |
07:01.25 | ArchAntergosKDE | well you can restart plasmashell and kwin |
07:01.33 | ArchAntergosKDE | a bit easier than loggin out |
07:01.38 | DatseMultimedia[ | It doesn't matter whether or not I can get Nouveau working or not now. I have a working system now (mostly, it's a bit quirky, but I expect that). |
07:01.38 | ArchAntergosKDE | though I don't know if it is cleaner |
07:03.29 | crazy | DatseMultimedia[: should be all fine , when I remember right 4.10 added support for the Pascal series but with limited support bc there was no firmware released by nvidia at that point so 4.12.x should OK |
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07:05.00 | DatseMultimedia[ | OK, I think I started with 4.9, which explains why I didn't have it working at that point. |
07:08.58 | ArchAntergosKDE | hmm every time I open system settigns it's closing itself immediately |
07:12.17 | ArchAntergosKDE | btw I seem to have foudn a workaround for the kodi issue, if I fullscreen kodi from the kde window menu instead of through kodi the second monitor continues working as normal |
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07:13.28 | DatseMultimedia[ | That may be related to the same problems I have seen then. |
07:13.58 | ArchAntergosKDE | any ideas about the system settings? |
07:14.09 | DatseMultimedia[ | Not seen that problem. |
07:14.18 | ArchAntergosKDE | have had this issue before where it closes on it's own (not sure the cause) but usually when I start it again it sticks |
07:14.25 | ArchAntergosKDE | not sticking this time |
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07:25.35 | GeneralZod | context menu |
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07:36.43 | ArchAntergosKDE | * full screen from the "window operations menu" * |
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07:47.21 | GeneralZod | i can't find it... |
07:48.12 | GeneralZod | ... |
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08:46.28 | sacarde | hi |
08:47.17 | sacarde | there is a way to modify date format... from dd/mm/yy to dd-mm-yy ? in kubuntu 17 |
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09:06.03 | Deknos | sacarde: in which display/program? |
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09:09.04 | sacarde | in all kde |
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09:09.42 | sacarde | in kde4, in systemconfiguration was possible to do that |
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09:19.12 | Deknos | at least for the digital clock you can do this with the context menu. you can change stuff according to your regional stuff in system settings and activate detailled settings for time. but this is the regional stuff either. |
09:19.37 | Deknos | i am not aware for detached possibilites of date-configuration |
09:19.51 | Deknos | but i would not rule it out. |
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13:01.12 | BluesKaj | Hi folks and Merry Christmas! |
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13:41.45 | MichaelOF | BluesKaj: merry x-mas to you, too! |
13:42.11 | BluesKaj | hey MichaelOF thanks :-) |
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14:01.44 | aiena | How do I remove the mapping to Alt key for window drag in KDE? I looked in "GLobal settings" under KWin but not sure where exactly it is |
14:02.06 | aiena | I need an app to consume the shortcut but the DE consumes it before the app can react |
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14:24.54 | sibok | Hi, KDE Plasma is not activating num lock even i have this setting enabled through systemsettings5->Input Devices ->Keyboard, any way to debug this issue? thx :) |
14:25.44 | ToxicFrog | aiena: systemsettings -> workspace -> window manager -> window behaviour -> window actions |
14:25.52 | aiena | thanks |
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16:04.16 | BluesKaj | sibok, system settings>input devices>keyboard>capslock key behaviour |
16:04.44 | BluesKaj | oops wrong path, sibok |
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16:09.01 | BluesKaj | sibok, system settings>input devices>keyboard>numbers lock "on or off " |
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16:37.33 | sibok | BluesKaj: that's what i explicitly told suddenly stopped working for me :) |
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16:47.51 | BluesKaj | sibok, make sure your numbers lock on the KB is not "on" , otherwise I'm out of ideas ;-) |
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17:09.50 | rindolf | BluesKaj: hi, sup? |
17:11.22 | BluesKaj | Hey rindolf ...lunch here, how about you? |
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17:11.51 | rindolf | BluesKaj: i've been working on freecell solver |
17:13.11 | rindolf | BluesKaj: also on some documents |
17:14.06 | BluesKaj | there's a blast from the past ..freecell. Wife used to play it 20yrs ago iirc |
17:14.23 | rindolf | BluesKaj: ah |
17:14.53 | rindolf | BluesKaj: i've been working on the solver since the year 2000 |
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17:15.25 | BluesKaj | heh :-) |
17:16.26 | rindolf | BluesKaj: see http://fc-solve.shlomifish.org/faq.html |
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18:58.41 | i3menubar[m] | Where in system setting would I find how to change my cursor and stuff? |
18:59.46 | JanKusanagi | there's a search box |
19:00.01 | i3menubar[m] | Im a blind man |
19:00.03 | JanKusanagi | but mostly in the "Appearance" section |
19:00.13 | i3menubar[m] | thanks fam |
19:01.07 | JanKusanagi | "workspace theme" contains the cursor theme config and the Plasma shell look config |
19:01.44 | JanKusanagi | "application style" contains the configuration for widgets inside programs (buttons and such), and window decorations |
19:03.54 | i3menubar[m] | uploaded an image: Selection_079.png (2KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/WpyPpuiMInisdLHCZoWkWGdE> |
19:04.04 | i3menubar[m] | So how do I make the cursor like stop doing that |
19:04.18 | i3menubar[m] | because its always doing the loading thing when I am in my i3 |
19:04.25 | i3menubar[m] | and wish it to stopith |
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19:43.14 | JanKusanagi | that's the "launch feedback" |
19:43.28 | JanKusanagi | under personalizationâapplicationsâlaunch feedback |
19:47.13 | i3menubar[m] | Thank you JanKusanagi |
19:47.20 | i3menubar[m] | its been bugging me |
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19:47.35 | i3menubar[m] | Now the only other thin i can seem to find is how to change the start up sound |
19:47.43 | i3menubar[m] | My friend did it at one point |
19:47.52 | i3menubar[m] | and my computer screams when it launches now |
19:48.04 | i3menubar[m] | I would wish it not so scream anymore he memed me |
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19:59.10 | i3menubar[m] | wow |
19:59.12 | i3menubar[m] | figured it out |
19:59.22 | i3menubar[m] | I just had to scroll down |
19:59.29 | i3menubar[m] | I played myself |
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20:50.03 | JanKusanagi | :D |
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23:40.00 | sibok | Hi, is there any app for KDE to adjust screen color temperature? Like mac OSX, Windows, Gnome night shift? |
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23:41.00 | asturm | sibok: plasma-applet-redshift-control |
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