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00:02.48 | simonizor | That's Kubuntu for you |
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00:03.24 | oprypin | no that's Kontact |
00:06.27 | asturm | oprypin: not if they're still at kdepim-16.04 |
00:06.49 | asturm | then that is kontact-at-some-point-in-the-past |
00:08.29 | Crell42 | I presume they're on a newer version of kde-pim than what was in 16.04, because Kontact actually works now at all. :-) That didn't used to be the case. |
00:10.17 | simonizor | That doesn't mean they've got the most up-to-date version with all of the bug fixes; Kubuntu is always behind in Plasma versions. They also quite frequently have broken things that work fine on KDE neon. |
00:10.40 | oprypin | rolls eyes |
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00:11.37 | simonizor | I mean, if you wanna use outdated, not at all optimal KDE Plasma, be my guest. Kubuntu is honestly at the bottom of my list for distros that I'd recommend to use KDE on |
00:11.44 | oprypin | Kubuntu is not among the worst offenders for old versions. KDE neon, on the other hand, breaks much more often than Kubuntu |
00:11.57 | simonizor | No. |
00:12.14 | simonizor | I've not once had KDE neon User Edition break on me |
00:12.27 | oprypin | ok so? |
00:12.36 | Crell42 | What's Neon? |
00:12.48 | simonizor | https://neon.kde.org |
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00:12.59 | oprypin | sigh |
00:13.22 | Zren | Crell42, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with rolling KDE desktop/apps. |
00:13.38 | Crell42 | Zren: Ah, thanks. That's more descriptive than their website. |
00:13.43 | Zren | So everything besides kde is 18 months old. |
00:13.51 | oprypin | lol indeed |
00:13.53 | Zren | Eg: GTK is 3.18 LTS |
00:13.56 | Crell42 | Yeah that wouldn't work for me at all. |
00:14.16 | simonizor | The LTS version isn't rolling |
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00:14.30 | simonizor | And having the KDE apps rolling is actually *really* nice |
00:14.37 | koz_ | How do I stop KDE re-adding widgets I've removed to my desktop/taskbar on every restart? |
00:14.41 | Zren | Though it does get the 16.04.2 release so... |
00:14.43 | koz_ | It keeps doing this, and it's really anoying. |
00:14.52 | Zren | not sure if new features are added in those though. |
00:15.04 | Zren | I know mesa gets an update. |
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00:15.18 | oprypin | koz_, have you messed with sudo lately? could it be file/directory permissions? have you tried adding new widgets, would they then be removed after restart? |
00:15.56 | simonizor | The LTS Edition of KDE neon is still on 5.8; KDE apps there won't see an update until 5.12 is released |
00:16.12 | koz_ | oprypin: I only use sudo in the default way. I have no idea how it could be file/directory permissions - I added the widgets via the hamburger menu's 'Add Widgets' option. I haven't tried adding anything since then. |
00:16.58 | Zren | koz_, Does it load the apps you had during logout too? |
00:17.18 | koz_ | Yeah, saved session. |
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00:18.47 | Zren | Hmmm. Try starting with an empty session |
00:19.02 | Zren | System Settings > Startup/Shutdown > Desktop Session |
00:19.37 | koz_ | Zren: OK, will do. |
00:19.51 | Zren | You might also want to check the permissions on ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc |
00:19.52 | Zren | too |
00:19.57 | Zren | koz_, |
00:21.04 | koz_ | Zren: -rw------- |
00:21.43 | oprypin | koz_, what about owner though |
00:22.13 | oprypin | (what you showed so far should be OK though it's definitely unusual) |
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00:23.12 | oprypin | Zren, how would you suggest checking write permissions in a straightforward way? i'd suggest `echo >> ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc` |
00:23.15 | koz_ | oprypin: -rw------- 1 koz koz 3016 Nov 26 13:13 .config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc |
00:23.22 | oprypin | seems good |
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00:23.57 | oprypin | 3016 huh |
00:24.25 | koz_ | oprypin: I'm on Arch, and I have literally never messed with my KDE anything except using the graphical tools. |
00:24.45 | Zren | oprypin, Seems koz_ is from the future. |
00:24.51 | koz_ | Zren: I'm in New Zealand. |
00:25.03 | koz_ | But yeah, that's a bit weird. |
00:25.23 | koz_ | (not a date, lol) |
00:26.18 | Zren | If you want to try setting your widgets up again, you could move it elsewhere (as a backup) |
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00:26.25 | eee | h3y F0nsi? |
00:26.25 | eee | Ouh nno |
00:26.27 | eee | ¿Quué passa Demi? |
00:26.31 | eee | Hey yeah! |
00:26.35 | eee | Tengo en esta historia algo que confesar |
00:26.37 | Zren | Then see if it sticks (after you've tested the empty session) |
00:26.39 | eee | Ya entendà muy bien que fue lo que paso |
00:26.43 | eee | Y aunque duela tanto tengo que aceptar |
00:26.47 | eee | Que tu no eres la mala, que el malo soy yo |
00:26.59 | koz_ | Zren: I assume that file is the 'all widgets are set there' file? |
00:27.24 | Zren | It's the config stuff |
00:27.42 | Zren | the panels and the widget order is in ~/.config/plasmashellrc I think |
00:27.53 | koz_ | Zren: Could I fix that manually? |
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00:28.15 | oprypin | you don't know what you're trying to fix |
00:28.31 | oprypin | Zren probably assumes that there's some bug and you just gotta start from scratch |
00:28.38 | Zren | I wouldn't. It's not a json list, it's a huge INI file. |
00:28.56 | koz_ | OK, fair enough. So move that first file, reboot and see what happens? |
00:29.08 | Zren | Basically starting from scratch = confirms there's a bug. |
00:29.11 | oprypin | i don't think you have to reboot |
00:29.18 | oprypin | relogin or even just restart plasmashell |
00:29.19 | Zren | which you can check the backup after |
00:29.32 | koz_ | oprypin: OK, I'll give it a shot. |
00:30.16 | oprypin | Zren, there could still be a write permission problem, those are sneaky and can bubble from higher levels |
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00:31.08 | koz_ | OK, did that, it reset everything to the starting default. |
00:31.29 | koz_ | (i.e. what I had when I first installed KDE and started it) |
00:32.04 | oprypin | well now try adding/removing stuff and see if it sticks |
00:32.28 | koz_ | OK, testing. |
00:33.03 | koz_ | Confirmed for sticking. |
00:34.10 | oprypin | well now you can just reconfigure your old setup manually or keep digging |
00:34.12 | Zren | koz_, So deleting them, then restarting gave you the default panel, then you remove stuff, then restarted, and it reset to... default? |
00:34.22 | Zren | or did it reset to what you had before? |
00:34.39 | koz_ | Zren: After I moved that file and relogged, I got the default. I then removed thing X, and a relog got me default minus thing X. |
00:34.50 | Zren | Oh, awesome. |
00:34.52 | oprypin | i think this means adding/removing things works well |
00:35.17 | Zren | It's... weird that it was year 3016 |
00:35.30 | koz_ | Zren: That's not the year. |
00:35.40 | Zren | Did you disable the session saving, or was it still on too? |
00:35.48 | koz_ | Zren: Session saving was still on. |
00:35.52 | Zren | hum |
00:35.55 | Zren | interesting |
00:36.09 | koz_ | Zren: For reference, here's that line for my .bashrc: -rw-r--r-- 1 koz koz 261 Nov 13 16:22 .bashrc |
00:36.17 | koz_ | So that 3016 is not the year. |
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00:36.28 | oprypin | ok sorry |
00:36.36 | koz_ | (unless my .bashrc was last edited when the Roman Empire still stood) |
00:37.28 | Zren | oh it's the file size |
00:37.31 | Zren | makes sense |
00:37.42 | koz_ | (that's the output of ls -l) |
00:37.49 | koz_ | I assume that's how you check permissions. |
00:38.42 | Zren | koz_, https://www.hastebin.com/ mind uploading the contents of it? |
00:38.49 | koz_ | Zren: Sure. |
00:39.57 | koz_ | Zren: https://www.hastebin.com/alunowurev.md |
00:40.22 | Zren | koz_, Which widget kept coming back? |
00:40.40 | koz_ | The system monitor thing that displays all the temperatures and so. |
00:40.48 | koz_ | There are three copies of it - two in the taskbar, one on the desktop. |
00:40.58 | koz_ | (I forgot its exact name) |
00:41.05 | oprypin | koz_, is this the old file or the restored default one? |
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00:41.09 | koz_ | oprypin: Old. |
00:41.16 | koz_ | I assume the restored default wouldn't be of much interest. |
00:41.20 | oprypin | yeah |
00:42.13 | Zren | koz_, 2 screens? 1 panel? |
00:42.21 | koz_ | Zren: Correct on both counts. |
00:42.29 | Zren | What version of plasma? |
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00:42.53 | koz_ | 5.11.3 according to KInfoCenter. |
00:43.18 | Zren | Should of asked you to backup plasmashellrc |
00:43.19 | Zren | my bad |
00:43.23 | Zren | bleh |
00:43.29 | koz_ | Oh, so that would have reset too? Oh well. |
00:43.44 | Zren | I guess |
00:43.50 | koz_ | I honestly don't mind putting this down to 'wtf, just reset and fix'. |
00:43.55 | koz_ | (I already have basically) |
00:44.03 | koz_ | But thank you for your help. |
00:44.07 | koz_ | I've learned something useful today. |
00:44.22 | Zren | You shouldn't have to do that though. |
00:44.29 | koz_ | Something else - is there some way I can monitor CPU/GPU temperatures from the taskbar? |
00:44.34 | koz_ | (like, I don't want a desktop widget) |
00:44.40 | Zren | And we can't really figure out what went wrong, which is worse. :/ |
00:44.47 | Zren | lmsensors |
00:44.52 | koz_ | Zren: Well, if it happens again, I'll let you know. |
00:44.54 | Zren | and the thermal monitor widget |
00:45.01 | koz_ | How do I set that up? |
00:45.13 | Zren | do you know how to download widgets? |
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00:45.23 | Zren | Add Widgets > Get new > download |
00:45.23 | koz_ | Zren: Hamburger, Add Widget? |
00:46.17 | koz_ | I should get a window titled 'Download New Plasma Widgets' right? |
00:46.22 | Zren | yep |
00:46.29 | Zren | search for thermal monitor |
00:46.32 | Zren | install it |
00:46.44 | Zren | Before adding the widget to your panel or desktop though |
00:46.46 | koz_ | Done. |
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00:47.20 | Zren | make sure to run `sudo apt install libqt5qml-graphicaleffects lm-sensors` |
00:47.39 | Zren | oh wait |
00:47.40 | Zren | shit |
00:47.49 | Zren | koz_, you dont need to install libqt5qml-graphicaleffects |
00:48.24 | koz_ | I have lm-sensors (helpfully named lm_sensors by Arch) |
00:48.45 | Zren | ah k |
00:48.53 | Zren | https://store.kde.org/p/998915 |
00:49.22 | Zren | koz_, https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/plasma5-applets-thermal-monitor-git/ |
00:49.30 | Zren | since you're using aur |
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00:50.01 | koz_ | Well, I think I can have it work - I'm getting CPU temp in my taskbar. |
00:50.05 | koz_ | (29C) |
00:50.16 | Zren | Nice |
00:51.32 | koz_ | Is there a way I can have them labelled? |
00:51.40 | koz_ | (also, my GPU is warm) |
00:51.43 | koz_ | (60C!) |
00:53.10 | koz_ | Never mind, figured it out: aliases. |
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01:33.39 | eee | h3y F0n5i? |
01:33.39 | eee | Ouh noo |
01:33.41 | eee | ¿Quué passa Demi? |
01:33.45 | eee | Hey yeah! |
01:33.49 | eee | Tengo en esta historia algo que confesar |
01:33.53 | eee | Ya entendà muy bien que fue lo que paso |
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01:34.00 | eee | Y aunque duela tanto tengo que aceptar |
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01:34.01 | eee | Que tu no eres la mala, que el malo soy yo |
01:34.05 | eee | No me conociste nunca de verdad |
01:34.09 | eee | Ya se fue la magia que te enamoro |
01:34.14 | eee | Y es que no quisiera estar en tu lugar |
01:34.18 | eee | Porque tu error solo fue conocerme |
01:34.21 | eee | refrain begin: No eres tú, no eres tú no eres tú, soy yo (soy yo) |
01:34.26 | eee | No te quiero hacer sufrir |
01:34.30 | eee | Es mejor olvidar y dejarlo asà (asÃ) |
01:34.33 | eee | refrain end: Ãchame la culpa |
01:34.38 | eee | ~REFRAIN~ |
01:34.42 | eee | refrain2 begin: Ok, I don't really, really wanna fight anymore |
01:34.45 | eee | I don't really, really wanna fake it no more |
01:34.51 | eee | Play me like The Beatles baby just let it be |
01:34.54 | eee | refrain2 end: So come on put the blame on me, yeah |
01:34.58 | eee | -REFRAIN2- |
01:35.02 | eee | +REFRAIN (x2)+ |
01:35.06 | eee | refrain3 begin: Solamente te falta un beso (x2) |
01:35.10 | eee | Ese beso que siempre te prometi |
01:35.14 | eee | refrain3 end: echame la culpa |
01:35.17 | eee | #REFRAIN3# |
01:35.22 | eee | %REFRAIN2 (x2)% |
01:35.26 | eee | âREFRAIN (x2)â |
01:35.30 | eee | /REFRAIN3 (x2)/ |
01:35.30 | eee | ---------------------------- |
01:35.34 | eee | Si sabes que ya lIevo un rato mirandote |
01:35.38 | eee | Tengo que bailar contigo hoy |
01:35.42 | eee | Vi que tu mirada ya estaba llamándome |
01:35.46 | eee | Muéstrame el camino que yo voy |
01:35.50 | eee | Tú, tú eres el imán y yo soy el metal |
01:35.54 | eee | Me voy acercando y voy armando el plan |
01:35.58 | eee | Sólo con pensarlo se acelera el pulso (oh, yeah!) |
01:36.02 | eee | Ya, ya me está gustando más de lo normal |
01:36.06 | eee | Todos mis sentidos van pidiendo más |
01:36.10 | eee | Esto hay que tomarlo sin ningún apuro |
01:36.14 | eee | refrain begin: Despacito |
01:36.18 | eee | Quiero respirar tu cuello despacito |
01:36.22 | eee | Deja que te diga cosas al oÃdo |
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01:36.26 | eee | Para que te acuerdes si no estás conmigo |
01:36.30 | eee | Despacito |
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05:36.26 | Smallville | hey |
05:36.51 | Smallville | how do i view all my virtual desktops in one screen? |
05:37.39 | Smallville | i enabled them and I can switch between them with ALT and function keys |
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06:06.20 | Zren | Smallville, like "show desktop grid"? |
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06:06.52 | Smallville | yeah i found it. it's control F8 |
06:07.41 | Smallville | Zren; i have another question, i'm uninstalling ktorrent, should I remove libktorrent6, libktorrent-dev, libktorrent-l10n and ktorrent-data? |
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06:12.34 | kishore96_ | If they're not required by anything else, yes. |
06:12.46 | kishore96_ | Your package manager should be able to handle that. |
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06:37.59 | aiena | I am on plasma 5. I have a very badly behaving task manager panel. It shows windows that open but then it no longer updates when applications are closed or new ones are opened. How do I reset it? |
06:38.25 | aiena | it is like previously opened windows are frozen on the panel |
06:38.45 | aiena | so even when the application is closed the name still appears but it opens another open application |
06:39.56 | aiena | I am on kubuntu I do not know how to find out which kf5 version it is |
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09:35.58 | lagerimsi[m] | @aiena: kf-config -v should help |
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09:39.21 | lagerimsi[m] | ups.. it's "kf5-config" --sorry |
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09:59.58 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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10:10.01 | rindolf | BluesKaj: hi |
10:10.10 | rindolf | BluesKaj: sup? |
10:10.51 | BluesKaj | Hi rindolf , up early, checking the news online. how about you? |
10:11.59 | rindolf | BluesKaj: i went for a walk |
10:12.15 | rindolf | BluesKaj: i met a friend there |
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10:29.03 | Guest34700 | Can I as a quation about Kate Part Version 5.40.0 |
10:29.43 | Guest34700 | How do you get it to show the col, row - it used to be at the bottom of the screen along with other information, which is now all gone |
10:30.26 | Guest34700 | it used to show for example, the column number that the cursor was on |
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10:31.26 | Guest34700 | Sorry: Can I as a question about Kate Part Version 5.40.0 |
10:32.37 | BluesKaj | Guest34700, click on view in kate choose word count |
10:32.52 | Guest34700 | it does nothing |
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10:34.10 | Guest34700 | bottom of screen only shows a "Searrch and Replace" option - which by the way is much harder to use than the previous version |
10:34.38 | Guest34700 | Also, the word count does not do anything |
10:35.02 | Guest34700 | but that is not my issue |
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10:39.38 | Guest34700 | Anyone know the best place to find out how to show "line column" (searched usual places), do kde-editor have a IRC channel? |
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12:25.53 | Leoneof | hi, Hardware Detection is not running, how to run/enable it? |
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12:27.45 | sia | friends i am new in this zone....can any one help me on how and what should i do for KDE development |
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12:37.19 | tosky | sia: did you check already https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved ? |
12:43.12 | sia | @tosky thanks |
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12:50.27 | newbie|6 | Hello. I use now KDE5 on Leap 42.3. I miss the context menu option "Delete file" I always have to press Shift now, otherwise the file is moved to trash but not deleted. How can I get back this "Delete File" option? |
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13:24.45 | lagerimsi[m] | use dolphin shortcut-options to change "delete" and "trash" --- enable service "delete" in dolphin-options to enable delete in context-menu |
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13:31.30 | newbie|6 | lagerimsi[m]: Also working in KDE 5 ?? |
13:32.53 | newbie|6 | Found it right now. Very well hidden. |
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13:38.51 | Gentoochild | hello fellows. I have a problem with Kaddressbook. I am syncing an addressbook with a radicale server. For a while now, my laptop's addressbook was empty. Today I deleted it in order to recreate it. |
13:39.06 | Gentoochild | But when I did, all I get is "unable to append mimetype for collection" |
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13:40.09 | Gentoochild | I remember this from other people who have this problem with mails. They deleted their local mail folders in ~/.local or something. What do I have to do to be able to create a new addressbook? |
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16:29.08 | Hi-Angel | Does anybody know what's going on â I wanted to look up release date for KMail 5.7.0, found this page https://github.com/KDE/kmail/releases and⦠lost. The oldest release (2016 year) called "16.11.80" D: |
16:29.45 | Hi-Angel | I am so confused â my KMail is a month old at worst, and it is "5.6.2". |
16:30.26 | Hi-Angel | Well, it's the report of "kmail --version". |
16:31.10 | Hi-Angel | Although "pacman -Qi kmail" says it is 17.08.2-1. What's going on? |
16:33.08 | asturm | Hi-Angel: kmail has a kmail version, and the kde applications bundle it is released together with has a version |
16:33.18 | asturm | both versions are correct |
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16:34.09 | asturm | Hi-Angel: you're looking at the wrong place for the schedules. see here: https://community.kde.org/Schedules |
16:35.15 | Hi-Angel | asturm: well, thank you, although the page still doesn't reveal what KDE bundle the kmail-5.7.0 should be shipped with |
16:35.31 | asturm | obviously, as I mentioned above, kde applications. |
16:35.58 | asturm | since you know that 17.08 has 5.6, 17.12 will carry the next major kmail version |
16:36.39 | Hi-Angel | Thanks |
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16:42.46 | Hi-Angel | stuck for multiple seconds on a question "what 12th month would be, given there are 12 months hence last one has index 11". But then realized that nobody counts months from zero. |
16:43.49 | tosky | please note that releases like (x-1).80, (x-1).90, etc are used for beta and rc |
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17:31.01 | tkzv | Hello. Is there a way to disable middle-click paste for a particular program? It seems to interfere with certain actions in OpenXcom game. If you know how to disable it globally, I'll try at least that too. |
17:31.11 | tkzv | Gentoo Linux. |
17:32.02 | tkzv | kdebase-meta-17.04.3 |
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17:40.25 | kishore96 | tkzv: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input#Example:_Disabling_middle-mouse_button_paste_on_a_scrollwheel_mouse |
17:40.51 | kishore96 | Apparently you can only do it globally, AFAIK. That involves some key remapping. |
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18:02.03 | tkzv | kishore96: This disables the button. I need to disable the paste function. |
18:02.32 | tkzv | kishore96: Because I need the button in a program, where paste interferes with it. |
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18:03.16 | Hi-Angel | tkzv: well, globally I wouldn't recommend doing that because then you can't copy-paste without keyboard anymore. Can you tell what is the problem in the game? |
18:03.27 | Hi-Angel | *doing that globally |
18:03.27 | kishore96 | I'm not sure if that's possible. You can, however, remap the middle mouse button to some other key, and then bind that key to whatever action you need. |
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18:05.47 | tkzv | Hi-Angel: OpenXcom with experimental patches (OXCE+). One patch allows to show the enemy portrait and weapons after middle-click. It doesn't work for me, and I want to test if the paste function interferes with it. |
18:06.14 | Hi-Angel | tkzv: I never seen it interferes to actions in app. If an app needs to do something different upon middle click, it just rebinds the key. For example you can scroll by clicking middle mouse button on the scrollbar. I think what you actually want is to open game settings, and set the middle mouse button to do whatever you want. |
18:06.55 | tkzv | How to do that? |
18:07.23 | tkzv | The game is in a window. |
18:07.48 | Hi-Angel | tkzv: I'm pretty sure you problem is irrelevant to middle-click paste. The game just likely didn't bind for you to do that action on middle click, for whatever reason. |
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18:09.59 | tkzv | Does KDE/Plasma allow to set/cancel any specific actions for middle-click for a given application or window? |
18:10.29 | tkzv | Or were you talking about game-specific settings? |
18:10.41 | Hi-Angel | I was talking of game-specific settings |
18:10.57 | Hi-Angel | It's definitely something with the game. |
18:11.24 | tkzv | The simplest way to prove the proplem is irrelevant to paste is by disabling the paste and trying. |
18:11.37 | tkzv | The game doesn't allow to remap mouse clicks yet. |
18:11.40 | Hi-Angel | E.g. I'm playing Xonotic sometimes, and middle-mouse button is used to zoom â it works very well for me. |
18:11.48 | Hi-Angel | Well, try it, why not. |
18:11.57 | tkzv | Try what? |
18:12.13 | Hi-Angel | Disabling the paste completely, and opening the game. |
18:13.08 | tkzv | kishore96 told how to disable the button. This way it won't be available to SDL either. Or am I wrong? |
18:13.23 | Hi-Angel | Ah, hmm⦠|
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18:16.09 | Hi-Angel | tkzv: ah, okay, I have read a bit about it |
18:16.42 | Hi-Angel | The action per see seems to be defined by toolkits. As an example, there is a gtk3-specific way to do it. |
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18:17.48 | Hi-Angel | Well, this confirms that the only way for it to mess with your game â if the game have bound middle-click to that on purpose. But that obviously would be silly, and even if that's the case â disabling primary selectin would simply make it a no-op. |
18:18.38 | Hi-Angel | tkzv: so it is definitely just that the game didn't bind the action you mentioned to middle click. |
18:19.08 | kishore96 | Apparently gnome tweak tool has an option to disable middle click paste, FWIW. I'm not sure if that works everywhere, or only for GTK apps. |
18:20.34 | tkzv | What is its name? "Gnome Tweak Tool"? gconftool? |
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18:22.07 | kishore96 | tkzv: It's called 'gnome-tweak-tool' in the Arch repos. I'm not sure if it works if you aren't using Gnome. |
18:22.54 | tkzv | Thanks. Maybe I'll try it, if I can't fix it in sources. |
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