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08:10.15 | kukuruku | Today I gave another try to Plasma Wayland. Verdict still not usable ( |
08:10.38 | hateball | :< |
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08:12.37 | tomaz | kukuruku: what failed? we are gathering information so we can actually fix everything. |
08:12.42 | kukuruku | I wouldn't say it's a totally disaster, but summation of small bugs doesn't make my UX good |
08:12.43 | tomaz | are you using binaries, compiled by hand? |
08:12.55 | tomaz | qt version, etc. |
08:13.00 | kukuruku | tomaz, I use opensuse Tumbleweed |
08:13.21 | rosa | Does anyone know how to re-enable wifi for kde? https://i.imgur.com/j4gqcL9.jpg |
08:13.56 | tomaz | kukuruku: that's the opensuse rolling release, right? |
08:14.28 | tomaz | rosa: the network management has a button to enable / disable, it can fail if you updated the kernel / networkmanager without rebooting. |
08:14.47 | tomaz | kukuruku: what version of qt / plasma are you on? I ask because I don't know how much of upstream opensuse is. |
08:15.34 | rosa | Ok |
08:16.14 | barteks2x | I have Discord installed, and when I try to run it from GUI or from pinned applications from taskbar, it complains that it can't find "/usr/share/discord/Discord", but I know that Discord executable is in /usr/bin and links to one in /opt/Discord. How to fix it? |
08:17.37 | barteks2x | I can actually run the command, then pin the started discord instance, and when I run that pinned discord, it complains that it can't find "/usr/share/discord/Discord" |
08:17.59 | kukuruku | tomaz, qt 5.9.1, plasma 5.11 |
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08:18.32 | rosa | https://i.imgur.com/2qEZG8Y.jpg |
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08:22.50 | rosa | https://i.imgur.com/loKF1Sh.jpg |
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08:28.09 | kukuruku | Some issues I found in plasma 5.11. The size of the pointer differs from window to window, keyboard indicator still doesn't show the languages |
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08:29.59 | kukuruku | Also I have an additional panel with taskbar, it's configured for autohiding and appearing of the panel works badly, |
08:30.35 | kukuruku | I can submit those bugs if they are not submitted before |
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08:32.54 | tomaz | kukuruku, please do. also, try to look for them before to see if they are not submitted :) |
08:33.07 | tomaz | if you can program also try to help fixing those issues. :D |
08:33.38 | kukuruku | tomaz, I would like, but I know only python :( |
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08:47.00 | tomaz | we all have our dark secrets. :) |
08:47.15 | tomaz | and if you know python this means you know logic and with that you can work on c++ and try. |
08:49.37 | kishore96 | Need some help reporting a wayland bug. I am able to get systemsettings and kate to crash reproducibly whenever I try to close them. I'm not sure which componenet I should report it against. |
08:50.12 | kishore96 | I have the backtrace for the systemsettings crash. Should I just report it against the systemsettings product? |
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08:56.08 | Caterpillar | Why on Kile is not possible to copy messages from window "register and messages"? |
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08:59.21 | Caterpillar | error, "leg and messages" |
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09:01.22 | kishore96 | It even has a greyed out 'copy' item on right click. That's weird. |
09:02.46 | Caterpillar | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240885 |
09:02.54 | Caterpillar | I wonder if it has been abandoned |
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09:10.33 | kishore96 | Caterpillar: If you mean Kile, it's definitely not abandoned (https://phabricator.kde.org/project/profile/220/) |
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09:57.55 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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10:12.44 | OficineRobotica | hello to everyone.....is it posible to set the "spread windows" effect in a way that it doesn't desaturate the colors for items not under the cursor? |
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10:26.43 | LazyGnoll | tomaz: speaking of wayland bugs, I actually wonder if session resume under wayland works for everyone but me or it's just a non-issue for most people |
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10:30.15 | gryffus | In KDE connect, i have possibility to reply on SMS messages. How could i use it? What dependencies do i need for this? Is it this one? https://github.com/KDE/telepathy-kdeconnect |
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10:33.55 | shal3r | When i click on external link in any program except browser, KDE tries to access that URL and only then opens it in browser. Is it possible to disable that? |
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10:59.14 | thrmo | Hello, is plasma active still a thing? |
10:59.38 | kishore96 | OficineRobotica: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522 |
10:59.39 | asturm_ | thrmo: not since plasma mobile was announced |
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11:00.18 | thrmo | asturm_, can I run plasma mobile on my x86 tablet? |
11:00.27 | thrmo | is it "usable"? |
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11:01.00 | asturm_ | thrmo: I guess so, but I never tried |
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11:02.16 | thrmo | asturm_, what would you recommend running on a surface pro 2? |
11:03.09 | asturm_ | sorry, I don't know about that hardware |
11:03.23 | asturm_ | but if it it x86, of course KDE software all the way |
11:03.37 | thrmo | it's an hibrid laptop/tablet |
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11:03.48 | thrmo | does KDE work well in such a setup? |
11:03.54 | kishore96 | thrmo: This might be useful: https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/4d4jcj/my_experience_with_installing_linux_on_my_surface/ |
11:04.10 | thrmo | i already installed Linux on it |
11:04.18 | thrmo | but found the Gnome experience to be lackluster |
11:05.07 | thrmo | so I was looking for alternatives |
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11:05.24 | thrmo | tightly integrated DE/distro touch friendly |
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11:05.49 | OficineRobotica | kishore96: thx |
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11:45.02 | Sicnus | Howdy. Long time listener, first time caller... (ok, jk, I've used KDE on and off since KFM 0.0.1) Anyhoo... how can I make plasma desktop be where there is just ONE desktop... I have two monitors, and it seems I have two sets of icons... and two background wallpapers and two sets of settings.... Thanks! (ubuntu 17.04 - not sure what version of KDE) |
11:47.51 | kishore96 | I think it uses different activities for different monitors. I might be wrong, as I've never used a multimonitor setup. |
11:48.11 | Sicnus | :/ |
11:49.10 | hateball | Sicnus: I dont think it's possible |
11:49.24 | Sicnus | this is a bummer man. |
11:49.54 | Sicnus | Kinda silly to have to manage two sets of preferences for icons for the same ~Desktop folder. But that's just me. Perhaps I'm the silly one. |
11:50.30 | hateball | Sicnus: well in kscreen there is an option to combine outputs, not sure if that would make two monitors appear as one |
11:50.48 | Sicnus | hateball: let me look for kscreen... |
11:50.54 | hateball | "monitor settings" |
11:51.21 | hateball | or just alt+f2 and type "kscreen" |
11:51.32 | Sicnus | Unify outputs isn't what you want. LOL. ;) just tried that. |
11:51.41 | hateball | Right |
11:51.46 | hateball | Then I dont know :p |
11:52.10 | hateball | Sicnus: probably better off asking in #plasma tho |
11:52.23 | Sicnus | oh ok man. Sorry if it was OT. |
11:52.47 | hateball | doubt it is, just that #plasma is more active with actual plasma devs :p |
11:53.48 | Sicnus | hateball: know of a good konsole theme? the default one is kinda bleh. Trying to google, but not finding much.... |
11:54.26 | hateball | I use the default, I think :D |
11:54.41 | hateball | I have yellow text on black |
11:54.47 | Sicnus | hateball: you are just a ball of hate aren't you? ;) jk |
11:54.50 | Sicnus | thanks for trying man. |
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12:18.16 | Sicnus | Is there not a tool to add "workspaces"? |
12:18.18 | oprypin | Sicnus, what theme are you talking about? just color scheme? |
12:18.24 | oprypin | > konsole |
12:18.53 | Sicnus | oprypin: yeah man... Konsole theme.. (text colors) I found something on a git hub... |
12:19.16 | oprypin | Sicnus, i made this very balanced color scheme https://gist.github.com/b826f4ce0104d25c9de7fe427344d540 |
12:19.49 | Sicnus | heh, let me check her out ;) |
12:19.49 | oprypin | basically black text on white background but the brighter colors are balanced so they don't blend in with the background |
12:20.55 | Sicnus | my connection is crap... so I may cut in and out. :/ |
12:21.48 | Sicnus | how do I install that |
12:22.23 | oprypin | ~/.local/share/konsole/Applications.colorscheme |
12:22.59 | Sicnus | put the dir there? or the files? or just a file? |
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12:24.12 | oprypin | wget -O ~/.local/share/konsole/Applications.colorscheme https://gist.githubusercontent.com/oprypin/b826f4ce0104d25c9de7fe427344d540/raw/cb94b2818e9183ecec04ffda74dccb8907007fc1/Applications.colorscheme |
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12:28.53 | Sicnus | thanks... |
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12:54.36 | JonelethIrenicus | for things like snappy packages..ect.. how are applications like Dolphin and Filelight going to handle that? |
12:54.55 | JonelethIrenicus | if I intall 5 snap packages I am going to have an additional 5 drives show up in Dolphin |
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12:54.59 | JonelethIrenicus | "drives" |
12:55.14 | JonelethIrenicus | "Loop Device" |
12:55.35 | gryffus | In KDE connect, i have possibility to reply on SMS messages. How could i use it? What dependencies do i need for this? Is it this one? https://github.com/KDE/telepathy-kdeconnect |
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12:59.03 | oprypin | JonelethIrenicus, why do you care? just dont use that |
12:59.15 | JonelethIrenicus | oprypin: huh? |
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12:59.30 | oprypin | don't install snap packages, problem solved |
12:59.47 | JonelethIrenicus | oprypin: yeah snap packages are great so no not an option |
13:00.04 | JonelethIrenicus | not to mention it happens with docker and many others etc.. |
13:00.04 | oprypin | what problem do they solve for you? |
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13:00.33 | oprypin | it's basically opt-in DLL hell |
13:00.52 | JonelethIrenicus | oprypin: don't use it then dude |
13:01.00 | oprypin | way ahead of you |
13:01.01 | JonelethIrenicus | oprypin: i am |
13:01.23 | asturm_ | it's an opt-out of proper packaging |
13:01.32 | JonelethIrenicus | it really isn't |
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13:01.52 | JonelethIrenicus | and "proper packaging" is just a fancy tar file. |
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13:02.08 | tosky | a bit more than that |
13:02.14 | tosky | but anyway, back to the question |
13:02.16 | JonelethIrenicus | tosky: "fancy" |
13:02.22 | tosky | a bit more |
13:02.31 | tosky | anyway, back to the question |
13:03.04 | tosky | if it's possible to distinguish a loopback used for snap from a "normal" loopback, it should be possible to have dolphin not show it |
13:03.24 | tosky | maybe even exposing it in a proper way through the solid library |
13:03.33 | JonelethIrenicus | tosky: its root directory is /snap |
13:04.07 | JonelethIrenicus | tosky: maybe just the ability to exclude things ? |
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13:04.27 | JonelethIrenicus | like /snap* |
13:10.15 | JonelethIrenicus | oprypin: snaps are a really great way for 3rd party application developers to package their application for all Linux distros at once. It isn't mean for ALL system level packages. They can also have added security put in place so less of a new to worry about breakages, or maybe even spying. |
13:11.15 | JonelethIrenicus | gnu packages -> package manager microsoft / "insert large untrusted company" -> snap |
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13:21.00 | Sicnus | is there a "Workspaces" app for the kde panel? I can't figure out how to setup multiple workspaces... :/ |
13:22.14 | JonelethIrenicus | Sicnus: like "activities" |
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13:23.53 | Fuchs | Sicnus: the pager can do it |
13:24.18 | Fuchs | Sicnus: also there is a module in systemsettings for it, and the desktop grid effect has a +/- button at the bottom |
13:24.28 | Sicnus | I see the pager on the bar when I configure it... but I don't see where I can create multiple workspaces... |
13:24.39 | Sicnus | when I configure the panel that is... |
13:25.08 | Fuchs | Sicnus: right click it and go to settings? Unless you mean something else with workspaces than virtual desktops |
13:25.15 | Fuchs | (right click the pager, that is) |
13:25.36 | Sicnus | I mean virtual desktops... yes. |
13:25.43 | Sicnus | sorry. |
13:26.00 | Fuchs | no idea why you are looking for that in the panel out of all places, but the settings of the pager, reachable via right click, can do it |
13:26.05 | Fuchs | oh |
13:26.12 | Fuchs | actually it even has an entry to directly add one |
13:26.17 | Fuchs | if you right click the pager |
13:26.23 | Sicnus | You've never seen a virtual desktop switcher in the panel? |
13:26.35 | Fuchs | yes, the pager. |
13:26.45 | Fuchs | It can do it, it's what I just suggested you do |
13:27.10 | Sicnus | perhaps the default theme just isn't showing up or something... :/ confused |
13:28.08 | Fuchs | https://imgur.com/Y85bW1a ignore the fact that it is German |
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13:28.14 | Sicnus | ok I found how to create activities... |
13:28.21 | Sicnus | but still doesn't show up on the panel for multiple activites... :/ |
13:28.47 | hateball | activities are not the same as virtual desktops |
13:28.51 | Fuchs | you can add the pager if you don't have one, simply unlock the widgets and add one |
13:29.27 | Sicnus | yeah I have a pager... I see it on the panel when I edit the panel. |
13:29.31 | Sicnus | hateball: no? |
13:29.59 | hateball | no activities is uh... a different thing :p |
13:30.36 | hateball | Sicnus: it allows you to group apps and such for different "activities" |
13:30.37 | hateball | https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma#Activities |
13:30.48 | hateball | I do not think many use it |
13:31.13 | Sicnus | hateball: how do you get VIrutal Desktops? |
13:31.13 | kishore96 | There are dozens of us! |
13:31.19 | hateball | :D |
13:31.32 | Sicnus | kishore96: lol |
13:31.51 | hateball | Sicnus: alt+f2 -> virtual desktops |
13:31.55 | hateball | configure as you please |
13:31.59 | kishore96 | Sicnus: Settings > desktop behaviour > virtual desktops |
13:32.35 | Sicnus | hateball: whew... THAT's what I needed lol |
13:32.41 | Fuchs | oooooor the pager I not only suggested but even screenshoted on how to actually add one *sigh* |
13:32.53 | hateball | xD |
13:33.01 | hateball | gives Fuchs a small cookie |
13:33.13 | Sicnus | Fuchs: <- he hate me. |
13:33.17 | Sicnus | lol |
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13:37.07 | Sicnus | I do hate how Konsole keeps changing the default size every time I resize a term... I keep / use TONS of terms and resize them all day long... heh. |
13:37.20 | Sicnus | (thanks in advance for all the help btw ;) |
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13:50.50 | luizromario | Hello, all. It seems I can't type letters that require dead keys to be typed in in the K menu search field |
13:51.04 | luizromario | For example, "á" |
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13:51.32 | luizromario | Which requires typing "´" + "a" |
13:52.16 | luizromario | Typing special characters after the search field is visible works, though |
13:52.32 | luizromario | I'm running Plasma LTS on Debian |
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14:15.52 | kishore96 | luizromario: File a bug. https://bugs.kde.org/ |
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14:34.44 | tomaz | luizromario. ora ora. ;) |
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14:35.23 | tomaz | Bug seems fixed on 5.11 tougth, no need to file a bug. |
14:35.27 | tomaz | just tested. |
14:36.10 | Sicnus | It seems like no matter what DE I use when the screen locks... my 2nd monitor stops working. :/ So frustrating. |
14:36.32 | tomaz | Sicnus this is a X11 misconfiguration, perhaps. |
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14:46.16 | Sicnus | tomaz: yeah I wonder if I'm using the wrong display driver for my Quadro K4200 |
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15:19.04 | n-st | is there any documentation on the "State" setting in dolphinrc? |
15:20.00 | n-st | i would like to programmatically disable the "Folders" panel, and it seems its presence/absence is only recorded in a base64-encoded binary blob in "State" |
15:20.37 | n-st | curiously enough, the string "State" doesn't show up in the dolphin source code in any meaningful place⦠|
15:22.00 | tosky | n-st: it's handled by the KXmlGui library |
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15:56.10 | n-st | tosky: thanks :) |
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16:37.32 | gobostone | why is Konsole's behavior so strange when you split the window/ |
16:37.33 | gobostone | ? |
16:37.59 | gobostone | how come it doesn't split the current pane like Yakuake.... and where can I complain productively |
16:39.05 | leszek | gobostone: what is the concrete problem? |
16:40.17 | leszek | or what is the behavior you expect vs. the current behavior. When I have two tabs open it splits and shows both of them in parallel |
16:40.25 | leszek | which makes sense to me |
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18:22.54 | rindolf | Hi all! Why the hell does kwin_x11 needs 6.3% of my 8 GB of RAM And does not even have per-virt-desk-wallpapers? It is more than firefox |
18:23.38 | rindolf | I remember running kde 1 on a machine with 16 MB of ram |
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18:26.10 | Sicnus | how do you set the title bar on konsole? on other terms you can go to menu or right click "Set Title..." |
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18:28.15 | mike-zal | Sicnus: what do you want to do with title bar? |
18:29.18 | mike-zal | rindolf: kwin uses almost 114MB for me, also 8GB of ram. |
18:29.36 | Sicnus | I'd like to be able to name it... |
18:29.36 | rindolf | mike-zal: ah. :( |
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18:30.00 | rindolf | Sicnus: you can rename the tab |
18:30.04 | Sicnus | (sorry for my lagginess) |
18:30.18 | rindolf | Sicnus: right click on the tab tablet |
18:30.42 | mike-zal | ah, I never changed title bar names manually. I didn't know if that's even possible |
18:30.46 | Sicnus | oh ok, maybe I need to turn tabs on. LOL. |
18:31.07 | oprypin | e-anima, well for one thing kwin probably keeps "screenshots" of all windows at all times |
18:31.20 | oprypin | how did that happen. sorry. meant to tag rindolf |
18:33.06 | svuorela | rindolf: how do you measure it ? |
18:35.05 | rindolf | svuorela: measure what? |
18:35.17 | svuorela | rindolf: the amountof ram used |
18:35.24 | rindolf | svuorela: htop |
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18:35.53 | svuorela | rindolf: inaccurate. it counts shared libraries to all processes. |
18:36.06 | rindolf | svuorela: ah |
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18:37.26 | svuorela | so if you have 50 processes using the same shared library (for the same user), that librray is only in memory once, but htop (and top and many others) puts it in all of them in the measurements |
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18:38.37 | oprypin | svuorela, what if there's 1 process using a shared library? what about 2? |
18:39.02 | svuorela | oprypin: then it is correct for that part of that process |
18:39.11 | svuorela | but the purpose of shared libraries is to be shared ... |
18:39.41 | svuorela | there are some tools, but I've forgotten which ones, that basically spread the load of the shared libraries out across the processes |
18:39.46 | rindolf | svuorela: smem gives me 25098 shlomif kwin_x11 0 377104 382108 422484 |
18:39.48 | oprypin | i'd be happy if shared memory usage was divided by how many processes use that shared lib |
18:39.58 | oprypin | svuorela, that's nice. basically how i'd imagine it |
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19:11.56 | Sicnus | any way to hide apps that aren't on the current desktop you are on in task manager? I'd like to have it show only the items that are open on that Virutal Desktop... (instead of all open applications) |
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19:12.43 | oprypin | Sicnus, go to its settings |
19:13.04 | Sicnus | yessir, I'm in there now. |
19:13.17 | Sicnus | oh crap... I didn't scroll down. blush |
19:13.23 | Sicnus | hangs head in shame. |
19:13.56 | Sicnus | oprypin: thanks for all your help today btw. I really appreciate it. |
19:14.28 | DomiX | hi, I'm trying to understand why kdepimlibs fails to build on my macOS High Sierra https://trac.macports.org/ticket/55056 I do not understand why it fails with fatal error: 'oc_collectionsync_p.cpp' file not found any idea why this file is missing from archive ? it's also not prevent in git master https://github.com/KDE/akonadi/tree/master/src/core |
19:14.44 | Sicnus | I'm really trying my best to switch fully to KDE. (been a cinnamon user for too many years...) I used to use KDE exclusively back in 2000-2004 But... switched. |
19:15.43 | asturm | Sicnus: tellico has a working kf5 release. you should use that instead of fighting with ooold kdepimlibs |
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19:16.22 | Sicnus | asturm: not sure what you mean mate. You mean for Ubuntu? |
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19:16.38 | Sicnus | how can I find what version of KDE I am using? |
19:16.45 | asturm | sorry. that was meant for DomiX ^ |
19:16.57 | DomiX | asturm: kf5 is not yet in macports |
19:17.02 | Sicnus | hehe np |
19:17.15 | asturm | DomiX: that's... bad |
19:17.45 | oprypin | DomiX, https://github.com/RJVB/macstrop is nice though |
19:18.16 | DomiX | I'm not sure all ports needed for tellico in there |
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19:24.43 | mango_99 | What happens if GTK removes GtkStatusIcon ? Will KDE still support tray icons somehow? |
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20:46.59 | vendetaxvt | hi all |
20:47.12 | vendetaxvt | i instaled plasma-5 in my funtoo, more my clock digital |
20:47.15 | vendetaxvt | no function |
20:47.20 | vendetaxvt | i deleted .kde4 |
20:47.24 | vendetaxvt | removed panel, add panel |
20:47.31 | vendetaxvt | removed widget add widget |
20:47.35 | vendetaxvt | and no resolv |
20:47.39 | vendetaxvt | one people have idea ? |
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21:16.25 | Galactus | baloo does not index my files with umask 077 (rw for user only); is there any way to make it do so? |
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22:23.49 | fuser | Hello. Every console I try including konsole has a weird border at the bottom now: https://i.imgur.com/hJqtWi6.png |
22:24.44 | fuser | its in the color of the terminal background, no text ever appears there, no matter which application |
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22:25.06 | fuser | its width and obnoxiousness varies based on font size |
22:25.14 | fuser | height* |
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22:27.05 | oprypin | fuser, is this even konsole? |
22:27.40 | fuser | nope, took just one screenshot |
22:27.45 | fuser | same stuff in konsole |
22:28.00 | fuser | ive ask on dev channel specifically for someone that knows how konsole works |
22:28.13 | oprypin | fuser, I don't understand what you're trying to say |
22:28.32 | oprypin | "konsole has a weird border", then screenshor which turns out to be not konsole? |
22:28.57 | fuser | every terminal, as of this moment, has a border at the bottom, example included in screenshot |
22:28.58 | fuser | simple |
22:29.16 | oprypin | fuser, what is the application you call "terminal"? |
22:29.27 | fuser | konsole, gnome terminal, terminator, etc |
22:29.55 | oprypin | fuser, so how is this a #kde question? |
22:30.27 | oprypin | it's your WM messing up |
22:30.43 | fuser | ive also tried the kde WM |
22:31.14 | fuser | im on ubuntu 17.10, probably something messed up, but I've now asked on kde devel if someone knows what could be wrong since they might know how these terminals are implemented |
22:31.45 | fuser | Plasma* |
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22:32.09 | oprypin | that's bold |
22:33.19 | oprypin | you get a weird border in different applications and WMs so you ask on kde devel how terminals are implemented |
22:34.08 | fuser | Yeah, I asked "For anyone that knows how konsole works, what could cause a border like this" and it worked. Nice knowing you. |
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23:58.27 | Galactus | is Dolphin capable of sorting folders by Accessed Time by default? |
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23:59.42 | Galactus | any time I set the setting in "Adjust View Properties", the folder view shows Accessed Time selected, but its actually just sorting by Name still |