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| 06:15.15 | hiya | What is neon based on? Is it Ubuntu? |
| 06:17.28 | hiya | oh, it is Ubuntu, so would it be using Non-free kernel? |
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| 06:26.04 | Guest83465 | hiya: It is based on Ubuntu 16.04, for as far as I know it uses the default kernel as supplied by Ubuntu. |
| 06:26.50 | hiya | Guest83465, it sucks :( |
| 06:26.58 | hiya | I would try Debian 9/KDE |
| 06:27.08 | hiya | KDE is butter smooth |
| 06:27.12 | hiya | in my test |
| 06:27.16 | hiya | vs GNome |
| 06:27.50 | hiya | Which display manager should I use? |
| 06:27.54 | hiya | sddm? |
| 06:27.58 | hiya | I want to remove Gnome fully |
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| 06:28.08 | hiya | once KDE is installed |
| 06:28.08 | lordievader | hiya: What is wrong with the Ubuntu kernel? |
| 06:28.42 | hiya | I am a follower of fsf.org |
| 06:28.42 | lordievader | hiya: Go after the core Gnome libs, uninstall those and all the Gnome stuff which depends on it goes with it. |
| 06:28.55 | hiya | and I don't use non-free software |
| 06:29.00 | hiya | I use Debian with main-repo only |
| 06:29.09 | hiya | Debian's kernel by default don't come with binary blobs too |
| 06:29.37 | lordievader | It is not supported, but you can simply run the Debian kernel. |
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| 06:32.05 | hiya | lordievader, I am removing Gnome on Debian wait, I hope it all works |
| 06:32.05 | hiya | :D |
| 06:32.36 | hiya | lordievader, why is Plasma like better smooth vs Gnome? Gnome freezes and is sluggish for me, even on i5-4th gen 4210U laptop with 4GB Ram and HD graphics |
| 06:33.10 | lordievader | Don't know, it has been quite some time since I last used Gnome. |
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| 12:27.24 | Ruhangiz | Hey dear people, where do I have to look, to find out, why usually after around one week of running without logout or shutdown, suddenly KDE freezes (except mouse movement) and then logs out killing everything without being able to save latest work etc.? Can someone help me in which log file or else place I can start and how I can extract the logs of that exact date and time? |
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| 12:28.02 | hateball | Ruhangiz: there's ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 12:29.50 | Ruhangiz | thanks @hateball - wow thats 300MB large! |
| 12:30.27 | Ruhangiz | @hateball how can I extract the entries of a certain date and time? |
| 12:30.38 | hateball | Ruhangiz: You... can't |
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| 12:30.53 | hateball | there's no real useful "user" logging I know of |
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| 12:34.18 | Ruhangiz | oh... |
| 12:34.23 | Ruhangiz | thanks |
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| 12:36.21 | hateball | Ruhangiz: not saying it doesnt exist tho |
| 12:36.25 | hateball | Just that I am unaware :p |
| 12:45.38 | tneo | where can I set that my 'super' key opens the kicker menu? |
| 12:46.19 | asturm | tneo: that's a standard setup unless you have an ancient plasma |
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| 12:46.38 | tneo | asturm: with the upgrade from opensuse 42.2 to 42.3 it is lost :-( |
| 12:46.59 | asturm | that would seem strange... |
| 12:48.19 | tneo | I just noticed this morning... |
| 12:48.30 | Tyresc | Hey, yesterday my Taskbar got messed up and today while I could restore the layout the icons in the taskbar no longer correlate with the Programms in that I can't see a preview nor does it switch to the window. It just starts a new process |
| 12:48.35 | asturm | tneo: is it gone completely or fixed after restart? |
| 12:48.53 | Tyresc | could someone point me to the right setting that likely changed? |
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| 12:49.16 | tneo | asturm: I can give it a try |
| 12:49.18 | tneo | brb |
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| 12:52.06 | tneo | asturm: no effect it is gone |
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| 13:48.10 | nuclode | hello anyone here to help me |
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| 13:50.13 | BluesKaj | nuclode, ask your question |
| 13:50.40 | nuclode | I am new to open source and wants to contribute for kde |
| 13:50.52 | nuclode | can you guide me how to start |
| 13:52.41 | tosky | for example starts with https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved |
| 13:53.20 | BluesKaj | nuclode, ^ |
| 13:56.14 | nuclode | tosky, I have seen this article but still get confused as I don't know from where to start |
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| 13:57.28 | tosky | nuclode: so let's start from the main part of that page, the section "Ways to contribute" - what do you want to contribute? Code? Translation? Promo? |
| 13:59.04 | nuclode | tosky, i want to contribute code for kde |
| 13:59.20 | tosky | nuclode: for what? KDE is a big community with many projects |
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| 13:59.43 | tosky | did you see then the next page about contributing code, https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/development ? |
| 14:00.13 | nuclode | tosky, I need help for this as I am unable to take decision form which project I can start |
| 14:00.38 | nuclode | tosky, can you suggest me some projects which are beginner friendly |
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| 14:03.29 | tosky | a project can also be more or less user-friendly for you on the technical side; some are made of different components and may be more complicated to tackle as beginners |
| 14:03.37 | tosky | but it depends also on you and your knowledge |
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| 14:05.06 | nuclode | tosky, so from where I can start> |
| 14:06.26 | tosky | what are your technical knowledge? |
| 14:07.05 | tosky | is* |
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| 14:08.33 | nuclode | tosky, I know C++ on which kde is based apart from these I am familiar with C,Java,Pyhton and basic front end development |
| 14:08.47 | tosky | did you try to use Qt? |
| 14:09.15 | tosky | is there already some application developed by KDE that you use? |
| 14:09.37 | nuclode | tosky, no i have not tried qt |
| 14:11.12 | tosky | try to play with it then |
| 14:11.21 | tosky | also, see my second question |
| 14:12.35 | nuclode | tosky, I have not use any kde application |
| 14:13.07 | nuclode | how can i start with qt |
| 14:13.23 | tosky | with the tutorials on the Qt website |
| 14:14.07 | nuclode | tosky, thanks I will start learning qt |
| 14:17.19 | nuclode | Is qt not available for free? |
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| 14:21.23 | raghukamath | nice line in the plasma vision statement "We build to be durable, we create to be usable, we design to be elegant" nice thought who ever wrote it |
| 14:23.13 | pepo_ | nuclode, Qt is free, LGPL license. |
| 14:23.46 | nuclode | yes I was too quick to ask it after some research i get it |
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| 14:51.33 | Eternal | hello, I can't find these settings https://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Display_and_Monitor on my KDE |
| 14:51.55 | Eternal | I ont have it in settings->disaply and monitor |
| 14:52.37 | tomaz | Eternal: on your Plasma (kde is the group of people doing plasma and other softwares) |
| 14:52.49 | tomaz | what version of plasma you have, and how did you installed? |
| 14:53.26 | Eternal | I installed it using sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop . I have linux mint |
| 14:54.10 | Eternal | 5.8.7 - KDE version |
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| 14:55.00 | tomaz | linux mint 18? |
| 14:55.11 | tomaz | or newer? |
| 14:55.14 | kus | hi is Christoph Feck here? |
| 14:55.26 | kishore96 | There was this guy a few weeks ago who had a similar problem, and it turned out he was missing a package |
| 14:55.33 | tosky | Eternal: so do you have the section "Display and Monitor" in systemsettings? What does it contain? |
| 14:55.59 | kishore96 | kscreen or something. |
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| 14:56.26 | kus | Christoph Feck, thank you for reaching out. I sent the bug report about konversation to bugzilla.redhat.com but I am not sure how it will reach you upstream |
| 14:56.46 | Sho_ | link? |
| 14:57.10 | tomaz | Eternal: considering that Plasma is currently on 5.10, can you update? |
| 14:57.21 | Eternal | I have "Display and Monitor" . It contains one sectoin |
| 14:57.32 | Eternal | some iirelevant things for me |
| 14:58.32 | Eternal | I'm installing kscreen |
| 14:59.12 | Eternal | yeah!!! |
| 14:59.29 | Eternal | I have "displays" now |
| 14:59.42 | Eternal | thanks |
| 14:59.53 | kishore96 | Huh. That should've been a dependency or something. |
| 15:00.58 | Eternal | but I have more lacking packages |
| 15:01.02 | tosky | kus: I'm not cfeck (who is here as pepo_) but bugs on distributions' bug trackers are not watched by upstreams usually |
| 15:01.10 | Eternal | for example, locking screen doesnt work too |
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| 15:02.06 | crazy | kishore96: yes , seems like broken runtime dependency .. aso packaging issue(s) |
| 15:02.10 | kus | tosky: makes sense. could be something that gnome did for all we know? |
| 15:02.28 | kus | gnome on fedora 26 btw |
| 15:02.42 | Igel | > virus on fedora 26 btw |
| 15:03.13 | crazy | Eternal: try installing kscreenlocker .. and report these bugs to your distro |
| 15:03.26 | kishore96 | crazy: Have you installed the kde-base metapackage? I'm assuming Linux Mint does a similar thing to Ubuntu. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages |
| 15:03.56 | kishore96 | Huh. Looks like kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. |
| 15:04.16 | kishore96 | Oh sorry. I should've mentioned Eternal. |
| 15:05.05 | tosky | kus: what could gnome have done? |
| 15:05.23 | Eternal | crazy: Unable to locate package kscreenlocker |
| 15:05.31 | crazy | kishore96: no I don't use *buntu's of any sort nor Mint .. but I package kde since around 2005.. probably just wrong splitting of these packages |
| 15:05.48 | tosky | kus: some Gnome developers are also Fedora developers, so may monitor both, but it's not something valid for the entire Gnome level I would guess |
| 15:05.56 | crazy | Eternal: well figure how Mint calls this package :) |
| 15:06.00 | Igel | apt update && apt install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search kscreenlocker |
| 15:06.02 | Eternal | kishore96 : Unable to locate package kde-base |
| 15:06.07 | kishore96 | crazy: I actually meant to mention the guy who was asking that question. :P |
| 15:06.10 | Igel | wanders off |
| 15:06.11 | kus | no idea tbh tosky but if you donât experience random close in konversation without any kind of warning I wouldnât worry too much |
| 15:06.30 | kus | like literally konversation just closes with no warning in the middle of me typing |
| 15:06.58 | asturm | kus: what version? |
| 15:07.09 | kus | latest one afaik |
| 15:07.28 | Sho_ | kus: crash backtrace? |
| 15:07.31 | kishore96 | kus: This bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378854 |
| 15:07.53 | Eternal | looks like I have kscreenlocker-dbg in the repository |
| 15:07.58 | Eternal | kscreenlocker-dev |
| 15:08.09 | kus | yup looks right kishore96 youâre the boss |
| 15:08.13 | Eternal | and libkscreenlocker5 - it is installed |
| 15:08.54 | Eternal | oh sorry, locking the screen works now |
| 15:09.02 | Eternal | It was not working few days ago |
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| 15:09.33 | n3tw0rkcat | kde 3 is back and live lulz |
| 15:09.33 | n3tw0rkcat | https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/zz06-trinitydog.html |
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| 15:15.30 | Eternal | I have question. I have 2 monitors. Can I have 2 panels. one on left monitor. second on rigth monitor. and task manager on both panels. but one contains application on left monitor. the second one contains apps from the right monitor |
| 15:16.24 | kishore96 | Eternal: Right click on your panel, and there should be an option to only show aplications from the current screen. |
| 15:16.29 | kishore96 | *task-manager |
| 15:16.42 | kishore96 | s/aplications/applications |
| 15:16.58 | kishore96 | Right click > task manager settings |
| 15:18.58 | Eternal | I clicked "show only tasks from the current screen" on both but it does not work |
| 15:19.46 | Eternal | ok |
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| 15:21.20 | Eternal | when I created task manager and moved it to left monitor. It was not working |
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| 15:21.47 | Eternal | but when I deleted this task manager and created new on left monitor it works |
| 15:21.50 | Eternal | thx |
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| 15:36.05 | pepo_ | kus, I don't understand your comments about Fedora or Gnome. You can simply add the konversation backtrace to your bug report. |
| 15:36.48 | kus | pepo_: when you click on error reporting in fedora 26, it sends the error report with backtrace to redhat |
| 15:37.16 | pepo_ | But why don't you let konversation developers see it? :) |
| 15:37.43 | kus | because I didnât know how it flows up (apparently it doesnât flow up) |
| 15:37.44 | pepo_ | (assuming you are talking about bug 382911) |
| 15:37.54 | kus | well the bug is marked fixed though |
| 15:38.14 | pepo_ | which one? |
| 15:38.32 | kus | marked fixed in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378854 according to kishore |
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| 15:39.00 | pepo_ | Are you sure it is the same backtrace? |
| 15:39.01 | kus | are you logged in? can you mark my bug as duplicate? |
| 15:39.05 | kus | no |
| 15:39.13 | kus | but Iâd rather we wait for this fix to release |
| 15:39.15 | pepo_ | Then add your backtrace to your bug |
| 15:39.24 | kus | I am not on my computer |
| 15:39.28 | pepo_ | ah okey |
| 15:39.40 | kus | This is colloquy. Iâd have crashed at least five times by now |
| 15:40.06 | kus | sorry i am a sellout using a mac :/ |
| 15:40.28 | pepo_ | I am so sorry :P |
| 15:40.41 | pepo_ | hugs kus |
| 15:41.45 | kus | but really what homebrew community manages to do with Apple seemingly actively hostile against it is amazing |
| 15:42.37 | kus | this bug was reported in April btw⦠I thought we were quicker and nimbler than that with kde neon and all that jazz |
| 15:43.37 | pepo_ | Well, we did not get any duplicates, so a new release wasn't urgent. |
| 15:45.26 | kus | gg |
| 15:45.36 | tosky | also, distributions could backport the patch if reported in a distribution bugtracker and deemed urgent enough |
| 15:45.50 | kus | well it doesnât break the system |
| 15:46.24 | kus | so it isnât urgent in that sense. the client just dies peacefully. look at the change in git. It is a pretty minor regression |
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| 15:46.42 | kus | but it hurts kde and how people see kde stability |
| 15:47.35 | pepo_ | kus, do you have the link to the fedora bug? |
| 15:48.11 | kus | I can try to find it |
| 15:48.36 | pepo_ | I can wait until you are home |
| 15:50.44 | kus | can you see it? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1476527 |
| 15:51.00 | pepo_ | Access Denied |
| 15:51.14 | kus | yeah I think you have to be a fedora contributor to see it |
| 15:51.31 | kus | email? |
| 15:51.49 | Siecje | Is it possible to move a window around with hotkeys? |
| 15:52.10 | pepo_ | kus, not urgent. Let's wait until you are at your computer |
| 15:53.14 | kus | Iâm surprised nobody else sees it |
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| 15:53.19 | kus | are you all on irssi or something? |
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| 15:54.24 | pepo_ | nope, konversation here. But didn't update in months, it just works :) |
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| 15:54.38 | kus | pepo_: the bug is out since at least april |
| 15:54.50 | kus | i can has your email |
| 15:54.51 | kus | ? |
| 15:55.23 | tosky | 1.7.2 too, and didn't see it |
| 15:55.31 | tosky | on two different distributions |
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| 15:55.47 | pepo_ | kus, can you see it on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382911 |
| 15:55.55 | pepo_ | hover my name |
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| 15:56.00 | Sho_ | what's this konversation talk about? |
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| 15:56.28 | pepo_ | Sho, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378854#c4 |
| 15:56.51 | pepo_ | kus might have the same issue, but need to see his bt first |
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| 15:57.25 | kus | the kde.org email is good? |
| 15:57.31 | pepo_ | y |
| 15:58.03 | kus | ok sending. maybe will take a few minutes? |
| 15:58.19 | kus | depends on how much traffic on the interwebs? :P |
| 15:58.23 | pepo_ | seconds |
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| 16:01.39 | kus | youâre fast |
| 16:01.56 | kus | inputfilter so looks like the same, right? |
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| 16:03.02 | kus | btw, why is the platform other Linux and not Fedora RPMs? |
| 16:03.22 | kus | I have rpmfusion enabled but I think konversation comes from red hat, no? |
| 16:04.03 | Sho_ | it comes from fedora |
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| 16:06.02 | kus | pepo_: thank you much for your help |
| 16:07.22 | pepo_ | please inform the Fedora developers that your ticket is handled upstream |
| 16:07.58 | pepo_ | maybe they can prepare a release with that patch |
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| 16:14.19 | kus | I linked them in the message and marked it as upstream Status: NEW â CLOSED Resolution: --- â UPSTREAM Last Closed: 2017-08-02 12:12:28 |
| 16:15.06 | kus | I thought the whole point of kde neon dev UNstable was so we can verify things like this as soon as the patch hits git |
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| 16:22.28 | pepo_ | neon only ships frameworks and applications, but not extragear. Maybe selected items... |
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| 16:26.35 | kus | konversation is an application though? :thinking: |
| 16:26.50 | kus | what is extragear? |
| 16:27.19 | pepo_ | extragear are applications that have their own releases, i.e. are not part of the KDE Applications. |
| 16:27.47 | pepo_ | like e.g. calligra, amarok, krita etc. |
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| 16:29.37 | pepo_ | list of KDE Applications is https://cgit.kde.org/sysadmin/release-tools.git/tree/modules.git?h=Applications/17.08 |
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| 16:33.51 | tosky | kus: by "applications" pepo_ meant "the bundle known as KDE Applications" |
| 16:34.01 | tosky | not any general application developed by the KDE community |
| 16:35.02 | kus | ah |
| 16:36.33 | Tyresc | Could someone help me with my icons? |
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| 16:58.03 | kus | tosky who can i talk to to change this policy? |
| 16:58.14 | tosky | kus: which policy? |
| 16:58.25 | kus | only including KDE Applications |
| 16:58.43 | kus | because a lot of kde applications could benefit from it |
| 16:59.06 | tosky | talk to Neon developers |
| 16:59.22 | kus | Iâm thinking like fdroid and lineage os mixed together |
| 16:59.26 | kus | but for desktop |
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| 17:00.07 | kus | like select apps we just take from the git head and just build and make it available |
| 17:00.28 | kus | or maybe tags would be a better idea |
| 17:00.49 | kus | I think gentoo portage does something similar? |
| 17:00.57 | tosky | fdroid does not ship from git, but released versions |
| 17:01.02 | asturm | kus: we package releases. |
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| 17:01.23 | kus | yes so weâd package from each time thereâs a new tag, not looking at the source code at all |
| 17:01.30 | tosky | asturm: you should say what "we" is in this context :) |
| 17:01.48 | kus | we would be the repo people |
| 17:01.57 | tosky | and this does not help with the konversation issue |
| 17:01.57 | asturm | kus: and we (gentoo) provide live ebuilds where applicable to the maintainers, but at least for kde team outside of the official repo |
| 17:02.13 | tosky | the fix was applied to a non-tagged version |
| 17:02.21 | kus | aye |
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| 17:02.31 | kus | so it wouldnât go out until there is a tag anyway |
| 17:02.55 | asturm | possible fixes are: release-more-often (upstream) or bug downstream until they backport the fix |
| 17:03.08 | kus | I think backporting is a bad idea |
| 17:03.15 | kus | too much work and I am lazy |
| 17:03.21 | kus | fix things in one place if we can |
| 17:03.32 | asturm | kus: there's not really a lot of change since 1.7.2 iirc... |
| 17:03.51 | asturm | probably a straightforward cherry-pick |
| 17:04.11 | tosky | backport == cherry-pick a patch at the distribution level is not so weird |
| 17:05.03 | kus | I should probably just git clone and build locally to see if it still carps out before bugging you |
| 17:05.10 | kus | but I am a noob |
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| 17:18.10 | barteks2x | what is going on? ksysguard tells me the CPUusage is 100% but the highest CPU usage of a single shown process is 5% and there is no way it adds up to 100% |
| 17:20.45 | barteks2x | this is 100% cpu usage process list: http://i.imgur.com/E5g4GOE.png |
| 17:20.46 | rindolf | barteks2x: seems fine here |
| 17:21.49 | rindolf | barteks2x: what are the versions of your software? |
| 17:22.06 | barteks2x | version of what for example? |
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| 17:22.58 | barteks2x | I have version 5.8.6 of ksysguard, generally running gentoo stable |
| 17:23.19 | asturm_ | barteks2x: that would be outdated gentoo stable, 5.9.5 is current one |
| 17:23.30 | barteks2x | I'm still updating if you see the process list |
| 17:23.57 | barteks2x | I did last update when I useed it last time a few months ago |
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| 17:26.39 | pepo_ | multiply that by number of CPUs |
| 17:28.05 | pepo_ | hm, it should actually be the other way around ... high numbers per process, but low total. |
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| 17:28.49 | barteks2x | it's an old core 2 duo cpu, so shoudn't be any more than doubled |
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| 17:29.40 | pepo_ | since you are compiling, maybe the processes die fast. |
| 17:29.48 | barteks2x | I'm also running emerge with very high niceness, if that matters in the way ksysguard shows CPU usage |
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