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| 00:03.09 | gbs | lattera, look for it in akonadiconsole |
| 00:06.37 | lattera | found it in akonadiconsole, but I can't delete it there |
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| 00:18.37 | gbs | lattera, remove from the agents on akonadiconsole |
| 00:20.42 | lattera | it's not listed in the agents, just in the browser |
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| 00:23.21 | gbs | seems like your db is fubar |
| 00:23.50 | lattera | yuppers |
| 00:23.59 | lattera | question is how to unfubar it |
| 00:24.31 | lattera | which is why I was thinking I'd probably have to do some sort of DELETE statement directly in mysql |
| 00:24.52 | gbs | you'll have to ask some akonadi dev |
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| 00:29.00 | lattera | ah, I think I might have this figured out, at least, how to disconnect it from "ALL THE THINGS!" |
| 00:29.09 | lattera | thank goodness for automatic zfs snapshots ;P |
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| 00:38.36 | lattera | got it :) |
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| 00:39.44 | lattera | delete from collectiontable where id = <id of stale record> |
| 00:39.56 | lattera | can take a while, though, since the delete causes a cascade |
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| 07:42.41 | shailesh_ | hi |
| 07:43.01 | shailesh_ | I'm new to irc channel |
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| 07:43.25 | shailesh_ | I want to know how to contribute, I know python and c++ very well |
| 07:43.46 | shailesh_ | my github handle is: shaileshgoogler |
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| 07:48.48 | svuorela | shailesh_: look at the topic in #kde-devel - but in general we don't do github. |
| 07:49.03 | svuorela | https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html |
| 07:49.34 | shailesh_ | I'm new I do not know anything, just need help for pushing me up |
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| 07:50.04 | svuorela | there are a handful of guides mentioned in #kde-devel topic |
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| 07:51.20 | shailesh_ | ok @svuorela |
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| 08:28.22 | this_self | Hi guys! Have a small question about font hinting (antialiasing, smoothing) in GKT-based application in KDE... |
| 08:29.42 | this_self | http://i.imgur.com/Q6IDvnv.jpg here is my screenshot. I have too ugly fonts in GTK-based apps, for example, hexchat. All other fonts looks great (I mean all qt-based apps). Of course KDE has settings for fonts in qt-apps, but no any options to tune fonts hinting for GTK-based application... |
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| 08:39.18 | tosky | this_self: Plasma (KDE is the community, not the software) allows you to set the options for gtk applications too, you may miss the package |
| 08:41.30 | tosky | this_self: it's called kde-gtk-config |
| 08:41.33 | this_self | tosky, http://i.imgur.com/FjzI3H5.png of course. I have it. But I didn't found any options to tune fonts antialiasing for GTK applications. Only fonts. |
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| 08:45.42 | tosky | this_self: not sure if this is uptodate: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications#Improve_subpixel_rendering_of_GTK_apps_under_KDE_Plasma |
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| 08:55.02 | this_self | tosky, hm... where I can edit that settings? Whrere is that file? Earlier I never configure fonts :))) |
| 08:55.23 | this_self | But after ubuntu, when I returned to my arch I saw that fonts on most GTK-based apps looks too ugly |
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| 09:44.12 | twb | KDE is creating ~/.kde/cache-<HOSTNAME>/ because /var/tmp isn't writable. ~/ is a remote (NFS) share with a very tight quota, and the user accesses many hosts, so this fills $HOME pretty quickly. |
| 09:44.32 | twb | Can I set an environment variable like XDG_DATA_DIR=/run/user/1000 so that KDE will use that instead? |
| 09:44.48 | twb | I'd try grepping the source, but there are so many frameworks in KDE I have no idea where to start |
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| 09:45.54 | twb | huh, asking the internet Just Worked |
| 09:46.17 | twb | lnusertemp.c in kde4libs, it says XDG_RUNTIME_DIR should already be used |
| 09:46.41 | twb | Ah but only for "socket" not for "cache". "cache" only checks $KDEVARTMP |
| 09:51.23 | twb | Oh, that's confusing. The "du ~/.kde/cache-foo/" says 1MB used, but "du --apparent-size ~/.kde/cache-foo/" says 11MB used. |
| 09:51.27 | twb | I guess they're sparse files |
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| 11:02.49 | ntz | hello |
| 11:03.01 | ntz | omg, OMG :D .... http://susepaste.org/view/raw/41394093 what is THIS ????? |
| 11:03.21 | ntz | what stupid conqueror thinks it is ? it's just a plaintext |
| 11:04.40 | ntz | nope, wait ... susepaste did with raw something wrong |
| 11:05.46 | ntz | > wget -O- http://susepaste.org/view/raw/1167023 2>/dev/null | file - |
| 11:05.47 | ntz | /dev/stdin: ASCII text |
| 11:05.51 | ntz | nope, taking back |
| 11:06.31 | ntz | so question persists - why the heck konqueror thinks that's, that's omg .... what konqueror does with that plaintext file over https ???? |
| 11:06.39 | twb | ntz: so you open that text file but konqueror thinks it is something else? |
| 11:06.50 | ntz | twb: you see that in paste |
| 11:07.09 | ntz | it behaves like if it's pdf or so |
| 11:07.22 | twb | Ah I see |
| 11:07.51 | twb | The web server returns "Content-Type: text/plain" |
| 11:07.58 | ntz | twb: if I put to the konqueror this http://susepaste.org/view/raw/1167023 |
| 11:08.03 | Leoneof | ntz: your fonts are blurry. |
| 11:08.09 | ntz | it thinks it's .... I dunno what |
| 11:08.21 | twb | I do not know what is happening there, but it is showing the correct content, just in a weird paginated way |
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| 11:09.03 | ntz | Leoneof: no, they are not if you scale it 1:1 |
| 11:09.13 | twb | i don't use konqueror, but I would try clicking on some buttons around there like Contents on the left |
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| 11:09.23 | ntz | maybe spectacle did something wrong with that |
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| 11:11.46 | tosky | ntz: the file is a PNG |
| 11:11.54 | tosky | so konqueror is working correctly |
| 11:14.00 | twb | tosky: I think ntz is saying that browsing to http://susepaste.org/view/raw/1167023 (text/plain) results in a PDF-like view, and a screenshot showing the problem is at http://susepaste.org/view/raw/41394093 (image/png) |
| 11:14.23 | ntz | :) exactly, thanks twb |
| 11:16.31 | tosky | twb: but it's not a text/plain, the content is an image |
| 11:16.47 | ntz | btw, see this: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/85721600 ... I opened in konq susepaste.org .... typed as text `hello world !!', click submit, then click raw ... everything was okay but if I hit a refresh, it comes to pdf-like view |
| 11:17.02 | twb | tosky: that is not what I see |
| 11:17.03 | Jucato | you can check in konqueror's settings that katepart is the preferred embedded viewer (okular does more than just pdf btw) |
| 11:17.27 | ntz | tosky: I'm showing you an screenshot ... that might be confusing .. |
| 11:17.35 | ntz | tosky: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/85721600 |
| 11:17.38 | tosky | yep, it's a Inception-like thing |
| 11:17.41 | ntz | this is plaintext |
| 11:17.55 | ntz | and in konq it's shown like if it was pdf |
| 11:18.04 | ntz | sorry http://susepaste.org/view/raw/43712843 |
| 11:18.09 | ntz | this is original plaintext |
| 11:18.10 | tosky | ah, ok |
| 11:18.20 | ntz | if I hit refresh it conq, it will show it like pdf |
| 11:18.22 | tosky | it's not konqueror |
| 11:18.28 | tosky | I think |
| 11:18.34 | tosky | okular can show also text files |
| 11:18.49 | tosky | so maybe there is an issue with the priorities of the kpart which handles text files |
| 11:18.50 | ntz | o.O |
| 11:19.06 | twb | It sounds to me (not an expert) like konqueror is confused and delegating the downloaded file to the wrong handler |
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| 11:19.16 | Jucato | okular (the one you're seeing inside konqueror) is a document viewer. it can also display plain text, epubs, etc |
| 11:19.29 | twb | ntz: does this happen with other URLs that are text/plain? |
| 11:19.52 | twb | https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-syslog-protocol-23.txt example |
| 11:20.02 | Jucato | fwiw, i can't reproduce it |
| 11:20.16 | tosky | I can't either |
| 11:20.21 | tosky | which version of konqueror and okular? |
| 11:22.49 | ntz | twb: yes |
| 11:22.51 | ntz | omg :D |
| 11:23.01 | ntz | completely same |
| 11:23.49 | twb | So your text/plain handler is okular for some strange reason |
| 11:24.03 | ntz | > konqueror --version | perl -ne 's/\n/, /; print' |
| 11:24.03 | ntz | Qt: 4.8.6, KDE Development Platform: 4.14.25, Konqueror: 4.14.25 |
| 11:24.29 | twb | I bet there's somewhere in kcm you can change that |
| 11:24.34 | ntz | twb: I have latest suse 42.2 with plasma 5, iirc konq is still relict from kde4 |
| 11:24.57 | ntz | but I use it and I like it for years, ff is evil ... |
| 11:25.06 | tosky | there are worse evil than ff |
| 11:25.17 | tosky | and okular? I guess the kdelibs4 version too |
| 11:25.34 | tosky | Konqueror and Okular have been ported to Frameworks 5 with KDE Applications 16.12 |
| 11:25.36 | tosky | so recently |
| 11:26.03 | twb | didn't konqueror get replaced by dolphin? Or was that only konqueror-as-the-file-manager |
| 11:26.37 | Jucato | Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations -> text -> plain -> Embedding tab, make sure katepart is above okulartxt |
| 11:26.44 | tosky | konqueror use the dolphin component for file management |
| 11:27.04 | twb | ah ok |
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| 11:27.23 | Jucato | twb: dolphin replaces konq as *default* file manager. it can still do file management as tosky said |
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| 11:28.42 | ntz | Jucato: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/44979535 |
| 11:28.58 | ntz | I have it like that ... it's kinda mysterious what konq does with it |
| 11:29.06 | ntz | ^^ and it was like that by default |
| 11:29.17 | Jucato | ntz: Embedding tab |
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| 11:29.29 | Jucato | not General |
| 11:30.25 | ntz | ah |
| 11:30.58 | ntz | Jucato: indeed, there's just only okular |
| 11:31.27 | tosky | oh |
| 11:31.33 | tosky | ntz: do you have the katepart for kdelibs4? |
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| 11:31.56 | tosky | ntz: by default you have kate based on Frameworks 5, whose component does not work with kdelibs4 applications |
| 11:32.42 | ntz | http://susepaste.org/view/raw/63075690 |
| 11:32.53 | ntz | Jucato: ^^ it doesn't offer me kwrite at all |
| 11:33.10 | ntz | tosky: but if I create the paste, it's initially shown good |
| 11:33.38 | tosky | ntz: so you may need to install something related to katepart |
| 11:33.45 | ntz | if I create on susepaste some plaintext thing, then click raw, it switches me to raw view correctly, if I hit there refresh button, it switches me to okular view |
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| 11:37.11 | twb | is the refresh doing a GET or a POST |
| 11:38.06 | tosky | ntz: try to install libkatepartinterfaces4 |
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| 11:40.25 | ntz | ok, fair, thanks for your input |
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| 11:58.37 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 14:09.17 | TheRealRob | huh, is this normal, for as long as I can remember I've only had nvidia gfx (rather old ones tho), however, I've recently bought a laptop w/ intel integrated gfx, and it actually performs better then nvidia |
| 14:09.21 | TheRealRob | on the desktop I mean |
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| 14:09.42 | TheRealRob | whops! wrong channel... I've no question, rather surprised at how well this is working |
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| 15:02.12 | Captain_Haddock | I'm on Kubuntu and I've recently switched to using the headphone jack in my monitor for audio rather than the jacks in the CPU. The monitor is connected via HDMI and all appears to be well except for the audio level. The HDMI audio output is much lower. How can I increase this? Everything that I can see is maxed out. |
| 15:02.36 | Captain_Haddock | Is there something in Phonon that I can/need to do? |
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| 15:04.38 | BluesKaj | Captain_Haddock, alsamixer pcm turned up to 100% ? |
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| 15:10.08 | Captain_Haddock | BluesKaj: Yes. Although I see no equalizers for the Intel HDMI and only see them for Intel PCH. |
| 15:10.31 | Captain_Haddock | BluesKaj: For Intel HDMI I only see SPDIF 0 and 1 |
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| 15:14.59 | Captain_Haddock | BluesKaj: I was able to increase it a little via pavucontrol |
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| 15:20.23 | adil91 | hello everyone.. just updated my arch plasma distribution to plasma version 5.9.0.. superb upgrade.. the keyboard shortcut for multitasking applications is my favourite option introduced. thank you KDE community |
| 15:22.09 | adil91 | but now I would like to get some help regarding configuring the desktop search option. how can I add some folders manually to the index? |
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| 15:25.29 | j605 | adil91: settings->search->file search |
| 15:26.07 | j605 | oh that is a blacklist |
| 15:26.16 | adil91 | j605: thank you. but in that menu I am able to exclude only |
| 15:26.21 | adil91 | yeah |
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| 15:43.13 | darnir | I just updated to Plasma 5.9 on Arch Linux. However, I don't see the new global menus at all. |
| 15:43.23 | darnir | Is there some switch I need to toggle? |
| 15:45.15 | adil91 | yes you have to go to widget style and behaviour |
| 15:46.00 | adil91 | then fine tuning >> menubar style >> application menu widget |
| 15:46.37 | adil91 | also you have to add panel in the desktop >> application menu panel |
| 15:50.10 | darnir | adil91: Where do I find these options? |
| 15:50.23 | j605 | in system settings |
| 15:50.28 | j605 | adil91: thanks |
| 15:50.28 | darnir | I can't find widget style and behaviour in system settings |
| 15:50.43 | j605 | settings->application style |
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| 15:51.19 | darnir | Found it. Thanks adil91 and j605 . |
| 15:51.21 | adil91 | darnir: well i dont know the exact location.. I searched for it |
| 15:51.29 | darnir | It's kind of hidden |
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| 15:51.41 | adil91 | yeah there it is.. thank you j605 |
| 15:52.58 | adil91 | i am still not able to find the desktop search configuration.. |
| 15:54.19 | adil91 | is it baloofile? |
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| 15:59.20 | adil91 | I found it.. we have to add the desired folders on '~/.config/baloofilerc'. add the option as folders[$e]=/mnt/E/,/mnt/D/,$HOME/ .also you have to change the first run=false to true. I missed this option before. Hope this helps somebody |
| 16:00.12 | j605 | where did you find that? |
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| 16:02.18 | darnir | I'm having problems with full screen applications in a multi-monitor setup. |
| 16:02.57 | darnir | Trying to turn an application to fullscreen on the secondary screen immediately shifts the application to the primary |
| 16:03.05 | adil91 | don't remember exactly. two to three weeks before i found somewhere in the web that baloofile is responsible for indexing in plasma desktop search. so I have added the folders in the config file.. but it didnt work. now i changed the first run option from false to true.. and restarted it using balooctl restar.. kabam.. it worked..:) |
| 16:05.04 | linux_ | masters of kde, i broke plasma. cube doesn't work, wobbly windows doesn't work, no effects work, and sometimes the the Menu buttons freezes, but the current open apps are still running and i cansave the work. all on fedroa 25 |
| 16:07.02 | adil91 | darnir: I am not able to reproduce the issue in my setup.. its working fine for me |
| 16:07.15 | linux_ | currently I'm on cinnamon, still no compiz effects, but stable |
| 16:07.49 | darnir | adil91: I Have a monitor connected via VGA. I moved a Konsole window to the secondary monitor and press F11 |
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| 16:08.07 | darnir | The window goes fullscreen but it moves to my primary screen first |
| 16:08.45 | adil91 | darnir: doing the same here.. but i am not facing that issue |
| 16:09.18 | darnir | I also did enable the global menu widget. In case that is the difference. |
| 16:09.40 | darnir | Else, any ideas on how I can change my configuration so I can create a reproducable case? |
| 16:09.42 | adil91 | ok.. let me check with the global menu once |
| 16:11.25 | adil91 | darnir: its working fine, but I have all the panels in my primary monitor only. what about yours? |
| 16:11.39 | darnir | adil91: Same here |
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| 16:12.09 | darnir | All panels are set on the primary monitor. I just moved a window and tried to set it to fullscreen |
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| 16:14.26 | linux_ | anyone can help me check my kde? |
| 16:14.49 | leszek | linux_: just ask a concrete question please |
| 16:15.11 | BluesKaj | linux_, check what on kde/plasma? |
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| 16:15.45 | linux_ | ok, about a month ago i started to Update the kde via yumex till i broke it. the effects stopped working |
| 16:16.08 | linux_ | no cube, no wobbly, nothing |
| 16:16.29 | linux_ | and the Menu button just stops responding |
| 16:16.34 | tosky | yumex? which distribution it is? |
| 16:16.44 | linux_ | i can restart the machine and still no effects |
| 16:16.52 | linux_ | fedora 25 |
| 16:16.56 | tosky | if the update did not work properly (did you check with a new user?), it could be problem of the distribution |
| 16:17.09 | tosky | uhm, I use it regularly at work |
| 16:17.16 | tosky | did you try with dnf? |
| 16:17.23 | ChemBro | also isn't fedora 25 using wayland? |
| 16:17.23 | linux_ | hm. i will create a new user and try it |
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| 16:17.54 | linux_ | i;m not familiar with fedora's guts and how things work |
| 16:17.56 | tosky | ChemBro: not for Plasma |
| 16:17.58 | BluesKaj | re install plasma-desktop perhaps |
| 16:18.20 | tosky | linux_: for sure you started using something which is not the base command for updates (yumex) |
| 16:18.38 | linux_ | tell me how to reinstall plasma |
| 16:18.41 | leszek | yumex is a gui for dnf |
| 16:19.01 | linux_ | yes, yumes is not cli/terminal, and i learned my lesson |
| 16:19.19 | leszek | I am not sure if it really messed up stuff. |
| 16:19.31 | leszek | linux_: was this an upgrade from a previous Fedora version or a normal update ? |
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| 16:20.15 | BluesKaj | whatever the the command is in the terminal with fedora to reinstall ...I can't recall, it's been too long since i used fredora |
| 16:20.39 | linux_ | no fedora version upgrade, but a warning, "34900 packages to upgrade" |
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| 16:21.24 | troffasky | hope you have fast internet |
| 16:21.25 | leszek | hmm... |
| 16:21.28 | linux_ | i hate to reinstall fedora |
| 16:21.35 | mefistofeles | xD |
| 16:21.47 | linux_ | i made up a number |
| 16:21.58 | leszek | linux_: dnf reinstall plasma-desktop maybe |
| 16:22.08 | linux_ | let me try it |
| 16:22.14 | leszek | dnf has a reinstall option but I am not sure if plasma-desktop is called plasma-desktop :) |
| 16:23.30 | linux_ | [linux@unknown5ce0c59fe34f ~]$ sudo dnf reinstall plasma-desktop |
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| 16:23.31 | linux_ | [sudo] password for linux: |
| 16:23.33 | linux_ | Last metadata expiration check: 0:30:48 ago on Fri Feb 3 09:51:59 2017. |
| 16:23.34 | linux_ | Dependencies resolved. |
| 16:23.36 | linux_ | ================================================================================ |
| 16:23.37 | linux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.39 | linux_ | ================================================================================ |
| 16:23.40 | linux_ | Reinstalling: |
| 16:23.42 | linux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.43 | BluesKaj | yeah , linux_ you might be better off asking in #fedora |
| 16:23.43 | linux_ | Transaction Summary |
| 16:23.45 | linux_ | ================================================================================ |
| 16:23.46 | linux_ | Total download size: 5.7 M |
| 16:23.48 | linux_ | Is this ok [y/N]: y |
| 16:23.49 | linux_ | Downloading Packages: |
| 16:23.51 | linux_ | plasma-desktop-5.8.5-1.fc25.x86_64.rpm 2.1 MB/s | 5.7 MB 00:02 |
| 16:23.52 | linux_ | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 16:23.54 | linux_ | Total 1.6 MB/s | 5.7 MB 00:03 |
| 16:23.55 | linux_ | Running transaction check |
| 16:23.57 | linux_ | Transaction check succeeded. |
| 16:23.58 | linux_ | Running transaction test |
| 16:24.00 | linux_ | Transaction test succeeded. |
| 16:24.01 | linux_ | Running transaction |
| 16:24.03 | linux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.04 | linux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.06 | linux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.07 | linux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.09 | linux_ | Reinstalled: |
| 16:24.10 | linux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.11 | ChemBro | holy shit |
| 16:24.12 | linux_ | Complete! |
| 16:24.13 | linux_ | [linux@unknown5ce0c59fe34f ~]$ |
| 16:24.15 | linux_ | only 5.7 M |
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| 16:24.15 | BluesKaj | linux_, stop that |
| 16:24.31 | linux_ | my bad |
| 16:24.55 | BluesKaj | nohing bad , just mistaken |
| 16:25.10 | BluesKaj | !flood |
| 16:25.11 | leszek | will only reinstall one package then. Hmm... |
| 16:25.47 | linux_ | yeah, where is the rest?! |
| 16:25.54 | leszek | I doubt that fixes the issue. It sounds more likely some package is missing if the menu isn't working at all anymore and the effects won't work (which is a different package) |
| 16:26.54 | tosky | linux_: dnf upgrade, what does it say? |
| 16:26.58 | BluesKaj | a rebbot should confirm |
| 16:26.59 | tosky | linux_: and use a pastebin |
| 16:27.02 | linux_ | so, can i get a list of the componets so i can install them manualy |
| 16:27.07 | tosky | never paste more then 2 lines on IRC |
| 16:27.45 | linux_ | (i'm done floodin, fast learner) |
| 16:28.26 | linux_ | i'll reboot it and be back on kde this time |
| 16:28.29 | leszek | linux_: I don't know how they are called in fedora 25. |
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| 16:32.44 | linux_destroyer | i'm back, different nickname from linux_ |
| 16:33.14 | linux_destroyer | effects are still not working, and soon the menu button will die |
| 16:33.34 | linux_destroyer | so, yes, it takes a while, like a wine app to be opened |
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| 16:35.31 | linux_destroyer | is there a set of terminal commands i can run for diagnosis? |
| 16:36.13 | dr_willis | sounds like the window manager is somehow crashing. |
| 16:36.45 | tosky | did you ensure that you have no pending updates, just to be sure? |
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| 16:36.57 | tosky | `dnf update` should tell you |
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| 16:38.37 | linux_destroyer | just update it "nothing to do. complete!" still no effects |
| 16:38.54 | linux_destroyer | and just restarted |
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| 16:39.48 | linux_destroyer | quick question, are the settings somewhere on a file in /home. if i delete check that would that help? |
| 16:40.09 | linux_destroyer | delete or check that file |
| 16:40.16 | linux_destroyer | like a txt file |
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| 16:41.33 | tosky | is this a new user? |
| 16:41.51 | tosky | which video card do you use? |
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| 16:45.56 | linux_destroyer | no, same user. looking for the video card. it whould be intel, its a lenovo t450 |
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| 16:48.40 | linux_destroyer | intel graphics 550 |
| 16:48.46 | linux_destroyer | 5500 |
| 16:49.28 | tosky | ok, that should work (I have a similar T450s) |
| 16:49.35 | tosky | try a new user then |
| 16:49.43 | linux_destroyer | there is the compiz start in the menu, and i did that and now i lost the - _ x from the top bar. a lot crashed |
| 16:49.53 | linux_destroyer | i'll try the new user |
| 16:49.55 | BluesKaj | probly I915 or 965 driver |
| 16:50.15 | leszek | linux_destroyer: don't use compiz please |
| 16:50.59 | linux_destroyer | oh, really?! ok. i'll create the new user, and reboot |
| 16:51.13 | leszek | linux_destroyer: kwin_x11 --replace should give you good old kwin back with titlebar |
| 16:52.55 | linux_destroyer | you're right! title bar is back |
| 16:53.09 | linux_destroyer | I'll reboot and be back with the new user |
| 16:54.08 | tosky | compiz :'( |
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| 17:00.18 | linux_destroyer | so, the new user fixed it. |
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| 17:00.45 | linux_destroyer | how can i get the setting of this user and push 'em to the old user? |
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| 17:01.23 | linux_destroyer | I don't want to move all me data from one set of folders to the new set of folders |
| 17:01.43 | linux_destroyer | makes sense? |
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| 17:04.20 | linux_destroyer | heller? |
| 17:04.25 | tosky | try to move away the files called plasma<something> inside ~/.config |
| 17:05.35 | linux_destroyer | hold on, i need to open all that |
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| 17:09.20 | linux_destroyer | I have 3 files that start with plasma: plasma-localer , plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc and plasmashellrc |
| 17:09.40 | linux_destroyer | plasma-localrc |
| 17:11.13 | linux_destroyer | if i take these files from this user and replace the other ones from the old user, will it make a difference? |
| 17:11.16 | leszek | the plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc contains the configuration of your panel, wallpaper, icons and so on |
| 17:11.27 | leszek | so yes it will make a difference |
| 17:11.52 | linux_destroyer | well, I'll do that, hope i don't crash the old user |
| 17:12.29 | linux_destroyer | i've got a padlock on my folder! |
| 17:12.42 | linux_destroyer | how do i get in there?! |
| 17:13.43 | linux_destroyer | stop laughing and help me... lol |
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| 17:17.11 | Apra | linux_destroyer: how about :http://askubuntu.com/questions/263450/folders-showing-lock-icon |
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| 17:19.56 | tosky | linux_destroyer: because as the new user you don't have permissions on the old user |
| 17:21.31 | tosky | unfortunately it is not possible to specify different credentials when accessing a file, probably the fastest way is to do it through the command line |
| 17:22.42 | linux_destroyer | working on it! |
| 17:22.53 | linux_destroyer | i had to feed the stupid dog |
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| 17:24.55 | linux_destroyer | i'm not a sudoer user. ridiculous. back to google |
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| 18:08.34 | Alumin | is it possible to configure the KDE mixer from (for example) a shell script? Specifically, I want to make a global hotkey that will mute the "Event Sounds" playback stream |
| 18:09.10 | mefistofeles | Alumin: you may want a CLI pulseaudio mixer for that instead of kmix |
| 18:09.27 | Alumin | ah ok, so this is really a PA question and not a KDE question? |
| 18:09.47 | mefistofeles | Alumin: about the global key it may be kde related |
| 18:10.07 | mefistofeles | but configuring the mixer from CLI is more of PulseAudio IMHO |
| 18:10.08 | Alumin | yeah, that part I can handle on my own, once I get a command to run |
| 18:10.14 | Alumin | ok cool |
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| 18:10.22 | mefistofeles | that would be my approach, anyways xD |
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| 18:23.48 | Alumin | hmm...I see stuff about muting in the pactl manpage, but none of it seems scoped to "clients" |
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| 18:33.32 | Alumin | ok so I found "pactl list sink-inputs", and that lists everything that shows up in KMix _except_ "Event Sounds" |
| 18:33.51 | Spike29 | it looks like right-clicking on systray icons doesn't work anymore with Plasma 5.9.0 |
| 18:33.53 | Spike29 | or is it just me? |
| 18:33.59 | Alumin | so I'm wondering if that particular volume slider is a virtual thing provided by KDE that doesn't map to any specific, running process |
| 18:34.18 | j605 | Spike29: it works |
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| 18:34.34 | Spike29 | ok, thanks j605 |
| 18:34.44 | Spike29 | I don't know what's wrong then :p |
| 18:35.21 | Spike29 | oh, actually it works with some apps |
| 18:35.35 | Spike29 | but not with Hexchat for example |
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| 21:11.34 | Caterpillar | some users of Fedora are experiencing gamin server ruining KDE applications user experience. I would like to know if anybody else has experienced that on other distributions |
| 21:24.17 | zuiss1 | how does kmail compare to thunderbird. anyone like it? |
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| 21:26.49 | FLHerne | The UI is nice, but the Akonadi backend is a complete pain |
| 21:27.51 | FLHerne | Problems available range from random 30-second hangs to spontaneously turning all your data into mush |
| 21:28.42 | FLHerne | (/me a repeatedly-ex KMail user) |
| 21:29.02 | FLHerne | Trojita is pretty nice, if you just want a simple fast client that works |
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| 21:29.22 | zuiss1 | thanks |
| 21:29.38 | asturm | 16.12.1 generally works well for me, but occasionally it stops fetching mail (after long uptime) |
| 21:29.39 | zuiss1 | i am pretty content with thunderbird. i just was considering kmail since it's part of kde |
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| 21:31.02 | homerj | dropped in to say nice work on the 5.9 release |
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| 21:32.09 | FLHerne | Akonadi is quite neat as a theoretical research project, but its devs seem to frequently forget that they have real users |
| 21:32.49 | homerj | one of these days I'll set all that up |
| 21:33.12 | mefistofeles | homerj: you'll never use it anyways |
| 21:33.12 | mefistofeles | xD |
| 21:33.14 | homerj | like I have stuff in org-mode now, have it pick stuff up from that to stick in korganizer to get notifications, etc. |
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| 21:34.13 | homerj | it's something that would be nice and possible, maybe a bit of code writing, but still don't know exactly how I'd set it up, and never got further in my head than "yeah, could be something nice" |
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| 21:52.52 | ShalokShalom2 | thats why mixing 4 with 5 is such a regressive decision |
| 21:52.53 | ShalokShalom2 | https://youtu.be/S6mZGBEV7aY |
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| 22:00.20 | tosky | ShalokShalom2: why post videos with incorrect facts? |
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| 22:00.34 | ShalokShalom2 | like? |
| 22:01.08 | ShalokShalom2 | incorrect facts are an oxymoron |
| 22:02.10 | tosky | point, incorrect data |
| 22:02.33 | tosky | the supposed technical explanation of the "bloat" shows a lack of understanding of how things work |
| 22:03.10 | asturm | ShalokShalom2: why do you think using Qt4 applications is bad when you're likely running GTK+ based applications as well? |
| 22:03.33 | ShalokShalom2 | asturm: did i state that |
| 22:03.54 | asturm | ShalokShalom2: what else do you mean with 4 vs. 5 |
| 22:04.16 | ShalokShalom2 | mixing librarys is the main point why most distros need such long to implement the new stack |
| 22:04.25 | homerj | ShalokShalom just has alternate facts |
| 22:04.28 | homerj | ducks |
| 22:04.35 | ShalokShalom2 | asturm: Qt4/5 and KDE SC 5/kf5 of course, plus the KDE Applications |
| 22:04.45 | tosky | ShalokShalom2: there is no KDE SC 5 |
| 22:04.49 | tosky | and no KDE applications |
| 22:04.52 | tosky | only Qt5 applications |
| 22:04.55 | ShalokShalom2 | sorry, misspelling |
| 22:04.56 | tosky | with some additional libraries |
| 22:05.02 | ShalokShalom2 | KDE SC 4 of course |
| 22:05.24 | tosky | your sentence above "mixing librarys is the main point why most distros need such long to implement the new stack", what do you mean? |
| 22:05.31 | asturm | ShalokShalom2: since all the required libraries you are speaking of are packaged on my distro, how can you say this is 'taking long to implement'? |
| 22:05.42 | ShalokShalom2 | when was this ready? |
| 22:05.51 | asturm | pardon? |
| 22:05.55 | ShalokShalom2 | and much effort did it take to get all this issues out? |
| 22:06.02 | ShalokShalom2 | anyway, you want understand |
| 22:06.10 | tosky | did you ever contributed to a packaging project? |
| 22:06.29 | tosky | I closely followed know at least two of them for two "major" distro |
| 22:06.57 | ShalokShalom2 | tosky: and? |
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| 22:07.24 | ShalokShalom2 | did you ever try to package a clean kf5 stack without KDE SC 4 packages? |
| 22:07.34 | ShalokShalom2 | from the very beginning? |
| 22:07.43 | tosky | ShalokShalom2: there was no clean "kf5" stack |
| 22:07.47 | tosky | at the beginning |
| 22:07.52 | ShalokShalom2 | yeah, released |
| 22:07.57 | ShalokShalom2 | there were git releases |
| 22:08.02 | ShalokShalom2 | did you? |
| 22:08.03 | tosky | and the availability of mixed libraries is not the reason for the slowness |
| 22:08.07 | tosky | no, it is not |
| 22:08.12 | ShalokShalom2 | did i say that? |
| 22:08.14 | ShalokShalom2 | i state bugs |
| 22:08.17 | ShalokShalom2 | not slowness |
| 22:08.33 | asturm | ShalokShalom2: define 'git release' |
| 22:08.36 | tosky | you never wrote "bug" |
| 22:09.02 | tosky | you wrote "issues" which could clearly be related to "mixing libraries" |
| 22:09.22 | tosky | can you please summarize your point? |
| 22:10.16 | ShalokShalom2 | first line |
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| 22:11.36 | tosky | it was not clear, can you please rephrase? |
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| 22:14.15 | ShalokShalom2 | to mix KDE SC 4 with kf5, ka5 and Plasma 5 led to a lot of issues, which caused a markable slow down in development and bad user experiences, imho |
| 22:14.39 | ShalokShalom2 | kdelibs4 was an exception |
| 22:16.48 | tosky | no |
| 22:16.50 | tosky | it did not |
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| 22:17.07 | asturm | Plasma doesn't care what other libs are present |
| 22:17.10 | tosky | Plasma 5.0 was available shortly after Frameworks 5.0 |
| 22:17.16 | tosky | applications are independent |
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| 22:17.58 | tosky | Qt4 applications are not different from gtk+ applications, or Tk applications, or Xt applications |
| 22:18.06 | tosky | from the point of view of Plasma 5 |
| 22:18.28 | tosky | the *mix* did not cause anything that you mentioned |
| 22:18.39 | tosky | of course there were issues, but not related to the mix |
| 22:18.46 | tosky | do you have specific examples? |
| 22:21.47 | ShalokShalom2 | dude, i see a lot of these issues come and go, in all the majors and not being present here |
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| 22:22.22 | ShalokShalom2 | that libs can collide is new to you? |
| 22:22.30 | asturm | ShalokShalom2: you're still not specific |
| 22:23.30 | asturm | do you mean file collisions? |
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| 22:24.20 | tosky | ShalokShalom2: Frameworks was designed to not collide and to be co-installable |
| 22:24.23 | asturm | ...because that's packaging 1o1 |
| 22:24.30 | ShalokShalom2 | oh yeah, then it fails |
| 22:24.35 | tosky | example? |
| 22:25.01 | tosky | if you by default take all Frameworks libraries, and install them, they do not go in the same place as kdelibs4 |
| 22:25.25 | ShalokShalom2 | and? |
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| 22:26.10 | ShalokShalom2 | was the reception and the overall stability of the very most Plasma 5 distros really such great? |
| 22:26.17 | ShalokShalom2 | oO |
| 22:26.26 | tosky | you said that "mix" was the issue |
| 22:26.29 | tosky | the mix was not the issue |
| 22:26.40 | tosky | not the cause of any Plasma instability |
| 22:26.46 | asturm | ShalokShalom2: all I see is wishy washy talk |
| 22:26.57 | ShalokShalom2 | yeah, i see this too |
| 22:27.03 | tosky | so if you talk about "Plasma has/had issues", sure, but not because of the mix |
| 22:27.15 | ShalokShalom2 | tosky: so, ironically that it was/is much more stable without this mix |
| 22:27.20 | ShalokShalom2 | ./ logout |
| 22:27.25 | tosky | no, it was not |
| 22:27.36 | asturm | ShalokShalom2: your perception is wrong |
| 22:27.39 | tosky | the mix of libraries has nothing to do with the instability |
| 22:28.03 | tosky | or simply running firefox or libreoffice would be the reason for instability |
| 22:28.17 | tosky | again, if you can point a specific issue (or a set of specific issues) we can talk |
| 22:29.01 | asturm | tosky: (they're using KaOS so they feel pretty strongly about Qt purity and apparently need to justify that) |
| 22:29.35 | tosky | asturm: oh, pure stack? No mudbloods? |
| 22:30.00 | tosky | we all knows how that ended up :) |
| 22:30.08 | tosky | know* |
| 22:32.12 | asturm | their stack is so pure - but oh! there is kdelibs4support |
| 22:32.27 | tosky | oh, well, it's still Qt5 |
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| 22:35.14 | Taoki | Darn... I am really loving Plasma 5.9.0. The new eye candy and features, like widget menubar and new desktop effects and lockscreen improvements and mute icon on taskbar... makes everything feel even more modern all of a sudden. Really phenomenal work overall :) |
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| 22:36.14 | Taoki | It really sucks that KDE is kind of a middle minority among Linux distros, who are themselves a minority among OS'es. With 5.9.0, this seriously feels like a DE a whole lot more people could be using, at a more mainstream level. |
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