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00:56.39boombatowerhmm, update to latest apps, framework, and workspace and now resizing windows is laggy :(
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01:18.13Zrenboombatower, does the resize desktop effect help?
01:18.27Zren(though we should also find out why it's lagging)
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01:49.41boombatowerZren: yeah, especially since it hasn't been on one minor release ago
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02:35.34MichaelTunnellis it possible to delay the actions taken by KWin's Window Rules? I'd like to apply to a window that doesn't have a reliable title so I'd like to use xdotool to apply a custom window class to the window and then take actions against the window with KWin but I seem to need a slight delay for that.
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02:47.33jazzencatWhat's the simplest way to return KDE Plasma to a basic configuration state? I'm noticing that if I try to switch the theme from dark breeze to light, some of the widgets are not visible because they are stuck with the Breeze Dark colours.
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03:25.37MichaelTunnellwaiting longer than 5 minutes might help
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04:48.38apb1963I hit some key combination and it blacked out my desktop in all 6 of my virtual desktops.  Is there a way to recover?  Anyone know what I did?  I think it may have been some combination of my windows key, alt, ctl, shift and/or tab.  I'm just guessing though.  ubuntu 14.04 with plasma and kde.
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05:00.35vvandedid you try turning it off and on again?
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05:04.07vvandejust joking of course, but you could try Ctrl-Alt-F7
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05:04.34vvandeperhaps you hit the backspace
05:09.18apb1963vvande: ??
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05:10.11vvandeapb1963: yes?
05:12.12apb1963I also had problems with konversation... it somehow disappeared off my machine, and when I try to install it again I get E: Package 'konversation' has no installation candidate
05:12.17vvandeI guess you know that Ctrl-Alt-F keys changes tty and (iirc) F7 is where you xwin is
05:12.26apb1963vvande: yes
05:12.56apb1963vvande: we wouldn't be talking if I had no xwindow at all.
05:13.20apb1963I'm using a browser irc chat client since konversation broke.
05:13.49vvandeI see
05:14.31vvandeI use multiple computers here, so I'd just use IRC on another machine. :)
05:14.44vvandebut anyway
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05:14.53vvandehaven't tried konversation
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05:15.53vvandejust looked it up, sounds good
05:16.24vvandeI use dxirc - looks similar - but I guess they're all about the same
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05:17.08apb1963_vvande: This is crazy... everything restored itself.
05:17.20apb1963_vvande: Except that I lost the window I was in talking to you.
05:17.26vvandein that case - crazy is good :)
05:17.40apb1963_vvande: Yeah but I don't like unexplained crazy.
05:17.48vvandeI agree
05:17.57apb1963_vvande: I'm not 100% positive, but I think it happened when someone messaged me on skype.
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05:18.19apb1963_it's like it brought back all the windows that were hidden.
05:18.53apb1963_and wherever I was... it's still there... running that browser irc client I was talking top you through.
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05:22.05apb1963_anyway so one problem is resolved TG!   But I still have the other.  E: Package 'konversation' has no installation candidate
05:22.38vvandeit's beta isn't it?
05:24.46apb1963_no
05:25.12vvandeok, my mistake
05:25.43apb1963_np
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05:27.13vvandeanyway, if it's not in the repositories . . .
05:28.02vvandecould be you need to add to your sources list
05:28.44apb1963_it is in the repos... do an apt-file search konversation | grep bin and you'll see it.
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05:29.29apb1963_of course I'm assuming you're using ubuntu
05:29.39apb1963_which is probably a bad assumption
05:30.23apb1963_I think I'll try a more appropriate channel.  Sorry for the trouble and thanks for the help!
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05:47.39vvandeapb1963: sorry, I got stuck doing something else
05:48.05vvandeyes, a ubuntu channel (or Debian) may be good
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05:48.26vvandeactually, I'm using FreeBSD but also run Debian on sopme machines
05:48.31vvande*some
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06:01.26apb1963vvande: ok this is officially nuts.  Somehow, I managed to get back to this window... I have no idea how... pretty sure I didn't touch the keyboard, only the mouse.
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06:02.51vvandehmm, sounds like Xwin or Plasma is *ked - perhaps at this point rebooting would be the best solution
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06:12.50apb1963vvande: no I can't reboot now.... too many problems that might not make it back up.
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06:15.18vvandeoh dear :(
06:15.47vvandeUbuntu is pretty solid though - at least it used to be
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08:10.09tinargHey guys, I'm having some trouble styling Konsole's tab bar. If anyone had experience with this could take a look at http://superuser.com/questions/1119828/how-to-style-konsoles-qtabbar-border ?
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08:40.01shtrb*with Kontact
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10:48.08LeoneofThe Panel didn't display icons in systray like: power, volume, network-manager, printer and so on, then i did delete plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc, now everything is working, why this happened?
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10:58.46viewer|4830hola
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11:21.26BluesKajHiyas all
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11:24.51crodjerI'd like to use KDEConnect with OSX. Is there a protocol (subset) that I could implement which would let me have the application mirror android notifications (and not necessarily all the functionality)?
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12:18.59Leoneofi'm using plasmashell 5.6.5, i did uncheck "Track file trasnfers and other jobs" and rebooted the computer,  i supposed to see the dialog copy/move files, but it is not visible, what to do?
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12:19.56ultratuxhi
12:21.46ultratuxI have some troubles with two daisy-chained displayport screens that act up in several ways. Mostly that they refuse to wake up when they are supposed to, and refuse to sleep (shutoff backlight) when expected to... (1/x)
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12:23.47ultratuxHowever, an 'xset dpms force off' does get them reliably to sleep. So if I can change / hook into the KDE 'lock screen' and issue that command as part of the locking, I have a workable fix/workaround. (2/x)
12:24.17ultratuxCould anyone tell me how to best tackle that? (3/3)
12:25.25ultratuxBecause I can now put the monitors to sleep with that 'xset dpms force off', but then my session isn't locked. And if I lock my session, one display stays awake.
12:26.30ultratuxAnd because they are displayport monitors, turning the power off has undesired side effects; they deregister themselves from the X server.
12:27.43ultratuxMoreover, if I power off the first monitor in the daisy-chain, X loses all its screens. It's not really a desired outcome.
12:29.36ultratuxNote: none of this is KDE's fault obviously... it's likely the nvidia driver. But hooking into KDE's lock offers a simple and effective workaround :)
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12:56.12barlasIs there any way to send SMS using KDE Connect?
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12:56.36barlasThat is, currently the only way I have found to open the "send sms" UI is when clicking on 'reply' in notification.
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13:00.49Celmorwhat could be the reason in scrambled font in my irc client window (konversation)?
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13:03.30Celmorhttps://puu.sh/qWceA/9c3cd2c45d.png
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13:07.47thiagothat's ugly
13:08.00thiagodoes it only happen in konversation? Does it happen in any other KDE application?
13:09.12Celmorno
13:09.39pierre^no for what question ?
13:09.43Celmorand it comes and goes without pattern but usually disappears when the text is refreshed i.e. by scrolling
13:10.07Celmorit only happens in konversation currently
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13:10.27Celmoralthough I had it happen before in an x2goclient window before
13:11.19thiagothat's not a KDE application
13:11.28thiagomy guess is that your video driver is buggy
13:11.37pierre^what's police in konversation setup ?
13:12.03thiagopolice = font
13:12.20pierre^thiago: thank :)
13:13.31Tear<barlas> That is, currently the only way I have found to open the "send sms" UI is when clicking on 'reply' in notification.
13:13.35Tearyou can do that now?
13:13.36Tearawesome
13:14.17Celmorpierre^: 'Default Theme ("Breeze" by Uri Herrera)' and font's aren't really selected https://puu.sh/qWcJj/ebe03d261a.png
13:14.42Celmorso i guess sytem default
13:14.54pierre^have you noto font installed ?
13:15.18pierre^noto are the default font for kde5
13:15.32CelmorI have noto-fonts 20151224-2 installed
13:16.38pierre^choose noto
13:17.24Celmorjust now only the channel list was 'scrambled' and not the chat window...
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13:17.40MichaelTunnellis it possible to delay the actions taken by KWin's Window Rules? I'd like to apply to a window that doesn't have a reliable title so I'd like to use xdotool to apply a custom window class to the window and then take actions against the window with KWin but I seem to need a slight delay for that.
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13:18.35Celmorok, I just learned I don't really like noto font...
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13:28.38pierre^Celmor: it,s better ?
13:28.56barlasTear: Yeah, in latest KDE Connect
13:31.51Celmorpierre^: hasn't glitched out again yet
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15:44.14vibhcoolrdieter_work: pm?
15:44.37rdieter_workvibhcool: depends, about what?
15:45.16vibhcoolI have some issues related to arcanist
15:45.36vibhcoolI am new here, I am trying to create patch
15:45.37rdieter_worki've no idea what that is
15:46.06rdieter_worknor why pm'ing would be preferable over just asking here
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15:47.36vibhcoolYes ☺
15:49.03vibhcoolI have some issue related to arcanist to create patch on phabricator. I am new here , it is bit confusing
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15:49.37vibhcooli am getting this exception on running 'arc diff'
15:49.59vibhcoolhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Iu9cPI7a/
15:50.13vibhcooli am getting this output ^
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16:00.41kelseykairnshttp://www.renegadetribune.com/scott-roberts-heads-win-hillary-tails-lose-trump/
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16:30.26rdieter_workvibhcool: #kde-devel may be a better place to ask about phabricator usage
16:31.29vibhcoolrdieter_work: ok :)
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17:13.31CruX|hi,
17:13.55CruX|any idea how to switch gnome keyring to kwallet for latest chrome ?
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17:16.00rdieter_workCruX|: chrome running in a plasma session should already use kwallet by default, what do you mean by "switch" ?
17:19.38CruX|rdieter_work: gnome-keyring window is popping up and asking for password
17:20.29rdieter_workCruX|: bug google I guess
17:21.00rdieter_workin my experience of using chrome quite a bit, it's always used kwallet for me
17:21.10CruX|Unpacking google-chrome-stable (53.0.2785.89-1) over (52.0.2743.116-1)
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17:21.22CruX|53.xxx have this bug
17:21.28rdieter_workto be clear, you are running a plasma/kde session ?
17:22.49rdieter_workin fairness, I may not be able to tell, I use both pam_gnome_kerying and pam_kwallet, so my stuff gets opened automatically when I login
17:24.16CruX|rdieter_work: hmm on debian 8 it works
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17:24.35CruX|it is not working on ubuntu 14.04
17:24.55CruX|and yes both are using plasma/kde
17:27.04bhatt_hey
17:27.09bhatt_I want to contribute to kde, can u please help me on how to start?
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17:32.08mike-zalbhatt_: this is not a channel for developers, but some may have an idea how to help. I'm just a regular user so I have no idea (aside submiting bugs if I find one)
17:33.06bhatt_mike-zal: Can you please suggest a suitable channel for beginner?
17:33.19bhatt_mike-zal: am new here!
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17:34.44mike-zalbeginner in what?
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17:39.30bhatt_mike-zal: In open-source. And I have chosen KDE to start with
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17:50.43pierre^third propose ...
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18:36.51karolherbstI am sure I somehow forgot something to do, but I can't simply mount iso files through udisks in dolphin, is there some upstream package which provides action files for that or anything else I may haven't installed?
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18:53.55AuroArtikulate does not seem to run... Installed it multiple times but it shows segmentation fault
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18:59.45mike-zalhow to check partition used/free space, preferably in gui? gnome has it in system manager, but not plasma
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19:08.27Auromike-zal: install gparted
19:09.06ronnocmike-zal: There are a number of widgets that wilol give you that, and also you can install the 'kdf' package, which is an acronym for KDiscFree :)
19:09.08mike-zalhmm.. right... I have it's kde counterpart. forgot about it
19:09.16Th3R0bmike-zal partitionmanager
19:10.30mike-zalok, got kdf. weird it's not default part of the system.
19:11.38mike-zalthanks :)
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19:11.55liudasmike-zal: Dolphin: (1) bottom right; or (2) right click on empty space -> options at the end of all info you can see usage
19:12.25mike-zaloo, dolphin method would be preferable. checking it out
19:12.55ronnocthere are also the 'hard disk space usage' and 'disk quota' plasma wigets if you want the disk statuses permanantly on the desktop
19:13.36ronnocbut I agree, stock KDE should have KDF by default. I should file a bug.
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19:13.55mike-zalI rather keep desktop clean. don't like most plasma widgets. only weather is useful one ;P
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19:14.10mike-zaldolphin method works., thatns liudas :)
19:15.08mike-zalmust somehow figure out how to use space differently. on old laptop I had 1 TB hdd so had small system partition and huge home
19:16.21mike-zalnow I have 1 TB with windows... and 120 GB with linux, which is divided on system and home, and that's not enough space... will seperate some space on hdd when I shrink windows partition but I can't use dropbox and many other folders in home because they are too big :(
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19:18.02mike-zalI assume there is a way to move dropbox and other massive storage folders (videos, music, downloads) to hdd and symlink them to home
19:19.19mike-zalbut I'm curious if symlinks will have the same folder icons. and what about quick access in dolphin?
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19:20.20mike-zalis there a way to edit/add new location to quick access in dolphin? I mean in the left panel
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19:23.35ronnocmike-zal: Yea just right click in the left panel and select 'add entry'
19:24.02ronnocthe entry can be a direct entry, sym-link, or network share
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19:26.40mike-zallol, why I can't see it when I search it? I did look for this in right click and as if it was not there untill you told me xD
19:26.55mike-zalthanks :)
19:27.13ronnoclol np
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19:28.33mike-zalI also wonder, when I put dropbox in hdd and use dropbox autostart, will it have issues connecting to own folder? I guess I will have to edit fstab to automount. never done it but red about it.
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19:30.22ronnocYou can try 1st in system settings > startup and shutdown > Autostart first and see if that gets the job done, at least for booting the system. Probably have to experiment a bit there to see what works best.
19:30.42ronnocOK I'm off to the fair. Happy KDE-ing!
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19:35.05mike-zalthanks ronnoc
19:35.37mike-zalhow to add suspend and hibernation to launcher?
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19:37.27MaxLeiteris there a KDE connect irc channel?
19:37.38MaxLeiterif not, any fork of KDE connect that compiles for iOS?
19:37.51mike-zaldon't think so, but I can be wrong
19:38.26mike-zalI can't wait for the 1 version. kde connect developers are really slow...
19:38.38MaxLeiterworks great for android
19:38.43MaxLeiternew release allows sending messages from PC
19:39.16mike-zalyeah, I red about it in android but on computer I still have 0.9 something version
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19:39.43mike-zaland for full functionality I would need 1 versions in both devices. or am I wrong?
19:40.08MaxLeiterI dont think so
19:40.15MaxLeiterand not hard to compile from source
19:40.44mike-zalalso, is it just me, or is it normal I have to restart wifi in phone to get it to work? somehow being in the same wifi network is not enough..
19:42.21mike-zalanyway, I don't see any way how to send SMS through kde connect. I use pushbullet for that. love media pausing in kde connect. best thing ever!
19:43.36MaxLeiterI use the remote mouse
19:43.49MaxLeiterdidnt happened to me, mike-zal
19:44.47mike-zalit is always like that. on different computers and systems
19:44.51mike-zaland DEs
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19:46.11mike-zalthe same is with pushbullet. it doesn't work if you don't open it on phone. and you have to do it every day to ectivate it. the same for windows, different phones, network, systems, computers, etc.
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19:47.09mike-zalas if all this kind of apps have issues to actively seek/connect with computer when it starts later in wifi network then phone.
19:47.24mike-zalnevermind, learned to live with it.
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20:45.10MichaelOFhi. krdc using kwallet on OpenSuse Leap 42.1 (Plasma 5.5.5): mistyped password needed for an RDP connection. how do i find and delete/change this saved pw?? kwallet "insists" on using the wrong one, and kwallet mgr shows entries for wlan, webdav conenctions and ssh, bo nothing for krdc
20:45.39MichaelOFs/bo nothing/but nothing/
20:46.45troffaskynot sure *what* wallet krdc uses at the moment
20:46.52troffaskyi have a related problem on ubuntu 16.04
20:47.16troffaskykrdc seems to use the KDE4 wallet, not the new one, so I can't update any passwords
20:47.20MichaelOFtroffasky: are there more than one "wallet"??
20:47.35MichaelOFah ok, understand
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21:01.41MichaelOFok just checked. it seems that I have ~/.kde4/share/apps/kwallet/ stuff changed recently and also ~/.local/share/kwalletd/ stuff changed recently. how to move/migrate kde4 stuff to kde5 (only)?? I remember that there've been an annoying bug a while ago, on every login kwallet and a "migration assistant" asked 2 or 3 times for the wallet pw, every time.
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21:16.29troffaskyif krdc doesn't use the newer version of the wallet then migration is irrelevant
21:16.39troffaskyhttps://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/513123-KDE5-applications/page2
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21:38.32MichaelOFtroffasky: THANKS for the link: "kwalletmanager and kwalletmanager5 conflict with each other (unless this has been fixed already), but you don't need them to use the wallet(s)."
21:39.28MichaelOF--> I can call kwalletmanager (which is kde4) in a bash, and now I have the krdc passworts (and can drop them as needed) THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!
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21:40.08Safa_[A_Boy]_Hello world! Does anyone knows where is the character runner? I can't find it in the list.. :(
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22:24.10vstemenThere is also a launcher for the file manager.  It *does* have an option to remove it if I right click on it.
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