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04:50.34SloanOnLinuxI've got a problem. The save as and upload dialogs for Firefox are totally ruined. I wonder if anyone is paying attention
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05:02.14SloanOnLinuxHello?
05:03.39SloanOnLinuxI've got a problem. The save as and upload dialogs for Firefox are ruined. The left menu won't work, and the main part will get stuck at selecting or dragging when I click on a folder/file
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05:34.15uid1Plasma just crashed - I have all my apps open but no task bar / Kickstart, etc.   Can I restart it from command line?
05:35.03thiagoyes
05:35.08thiagotype: kdeinit5_wrapper plasmashell
05:35.20uid1Thanks (yet again) thiago
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05:39.17uid1Well, that didn't work.  Now I have lost konversation: just a black box with a window  border...
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05:42.10thiagokillall -9 plasmashell
05:42.12thiagothen try again
05:43.15uid1Hi - just had an OSM message but it disappeared before I could read it...   And I can't see ANYthing I'm typing here...
05:43.25uid1I'd restart konversation but ... no kickstart menu!
05:43.57thiagolooks like your X or drivers are crashing
05:43.57uid1Oh, maximizing helped.
05:44.03thiagolog out, restart X, log in again
05:44.26uid1thiago: Did the killall -9.   yeah, X restart seems needed.
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05:45.08uid1By mousing to a hot-corner I can access other virtual desktops (i.e. where System Settings is open) - going to check something there.
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06:30.08mvahi there!
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06:31.03mvaadvice me, please, which files in ~/.config|~/.local/share should I symlink into /root to have apps, that runs under kdesu respect colorshemes?
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07:19.41chrisrhello. i need help with Kontact. since 15.04 to-dos from mails do not save said mail as attachment any more. adding them manually doesn't work. i can't get this to work, not even with a fresh install. and the only bug report i could find on the net is not being replied to.
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07:38.38vvandeplasma-desktop(50649)/plasma StatusNotifierItemSource::refreshCallback: DBusMenu disabled for this application
07:39.09vvandeI see that in my .xsession-errors as the last entry when Firefox freezes.
07:40.17vvandeI can't find any problems with Firefox (and yes, it does it with default config without plugins)
07:42.51redeyedmanvvande: you can debug the problem as it described here https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=224&t=126866
07:43.26vvanderedeyedman: thanks - I'll go have a look
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08:42.30workHello
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08:43.03workIs it possible to use Dolphine file manager on Windows?
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08:44.31leszekwork: The KDE on Windows project has some apps for Windows. Though I don't see dolphin here: https://community.kde.org/Windows
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08:45.21Andrew_Kwork: whats wrong with you man?))
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08:47.14workAndrew_K: From this article, it's possible as I see it's installed on Windows XP http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/how-do-i-install-kde-applications-on-windows/
08:47.53workAndrew_K: oops sorry
08:47.59ibouvousaimeI hate windows -_-
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08:48.26workleszek:  From this article, it's possible as I see it's installed on Windows XP http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/how-do-i-install-kde-applications-on-windows/
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08:48.48Andrew_Kwork: that link makes your initial question nonsence
08:49.12Andrew_Knonsense*
08:49.31Andrew_Kit seems that is possible))
08:50.01workibouvousaime: I've been off Windows 24 days until now.
08:51.23workAndrew_K: Yeah I know but since it dates from 2008, I don't know if it still work
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08:53.11Andrew_Kwell i've heard that microsoft little ponies have implemented posix subsystem inside windows.. well may be that is possible to run dolphin directly
08:53.27workI use KDE Neon and Windows 10 ... dual boot.
08:54.20Andrew_Ki use dual boot as well
08:54.39workKDE Neon is very fast for everything compared to windows...
08:55.20Andrew_Ki havent tried Neon so far
08:55.43Andrew_Kbut w10 seem working pretty fast
08:56.49workoh btw, do you guys know how I can import my Sublim text packages from Windows?
08:57.15Andrew_Ki like kde but cant fight tearing problems once and forever
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08:57.55leszekwork: sublime text has a linux version. You can use that
08:58.37Andrew_Kor use vim instead :D
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08:59.05workleszek: I know, I want impor my installed plugin from Windows
08:59.35Andrew_Kwork: is it that a big list of plugins? :)
08:59.52workAndrew_K: nanann Am not ready for that ...
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09:01.05Andrew_Kwork: hah.. see my friend.. once vim will come for you.. it will be naturally and painless.. ;)
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09:01.42workI've been using Spacemacs lately  though
09:02.05ibouvousaimework: Ive been off windows for a year, and I dont plan to ever go back haha
09:02.22mvacan anybody advice me, which files in ~/.config|~/.local/share should I symlink into /root to have apps, that runs under kdesu respect colorshemes? Please?
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09:03.34workibouvousaime:  I need to work with certain Adobe products for design (and don't tell me to use Inkscape or Gimp :p )
09:04.05mva16:02:03   ibouvousaime │ work: Ive been off windows for a year, and I dont plan to ever go back haha
09:04.08Andrew_Kwork: use Krita!! :DD
09:04.09mvahaha
09:04.14ibouvousaimework: I know the feel, Ive been doing that to use Zbrush for a while
09:04.20mvaI've been off windows since forever
09:04.37Andrew_Kmva: God! is that you?? :DD
09:04.48ibouvousaimework: photoshop seem to run well on wine/playonlinux btw lol
09:05.08workAndrew_K: I forget to include Krita on that list =>  (and don't tell me to use Inkscape or Gimp :p )
09:05.24Andrew_Kwork: ahaaha..)) ok)
09:06.14workibouvousaime I may try that :)
09:07.02mva// btw, out of joking, there is not so much things that is possible to do with win-only graphic design software and impossible with crossplatform
09:07.26workOne thing I really don't like in Linux are their icons
09:07.53mvauhm
09:07.53ibouvousaimework: there are so many icon themes you can install though :)
09:08.05mvatrue
09:08.17Andrew_Kwork: well in kde is ok for me.. but in gnome that looks ugly yes
09:08.35mvaand also Oxygen theme (as fallback default) is pretty cute itself
09:09.18workI know but I hate almost theme all ... They try too change default icons of popular apps instead of cleaning the systems icons
09:09.21mvaAndrew_K: nobody refuses you to use oxygen (kde's) in Gnome too // although... Do you mean oxygen or breeze icon theme as 'KDE' one? :)
09:09.44mvawork: "they" artists?
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09:09.53mvawork: "they"? artists? //fast-dix
09:09.59mva*fix, argh!
09:10.11Andrew_Kmva: yes
09:10.57ibouvousaimedix = 10 ?
09:11.00ibouvousaimelol
09:11.53workwell that's what come as default in KDE Neon... and they don't differe much from the Manjaro KDE  that I used for less than 24h before I remove itt from my PC
09:12.25mvaAndrew_K: what means "yes"? :D I asked which of two of them you referenced as KDE's :)
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09:13.07workmva: I don't know who madethe default icons but they need lot of work
09:13.21Andrew_Kmva: sorry.. both are good for me
09:14.39ibouvousaimethe ones on windows look ugly to me
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09:15.23mvaby the way is curious about when KDE will support fonts with coloured bitmaps (say, emoji ones)
09:15.54ibouvousaimebtw how are emoji in kde supposed to be used ?
09:16.14mvahow about weechat in Konsole? :)
09:16.14ibouvousaimehow can you like input them in a text or something ?
09:16.42mvawith Compose key?
09:16.49Andrew_Kmva: that not a font in my guess.. that a html like layout rather
09:18.01mvaAndrew_K: nope. it is indeed a fonts. Look at the noto (by google) or "emojione", "twimoji" (SVGinOpenType)
09:18.23Andrew_Kok
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09:22.13workibouvousaime: They aren't beautifull but sclick simple and best of all, consistent. that why I like and what I want see in KDE http://i.imgur.com/t819GpV.png :)
09:24.42Andrew_Kseems sharpy for eyes..
09:25.10Andrew_Kthat w10
09:25.13workhttp://i.imgur.com/cNlmm48.png so simple :)
09:25.13workI need to go hunt for the best KDE icons pack
09:25.14Andrew_Ki dont like it
09:26.52workAndrew_K: yeah Windows 10 icons are very sharp, didn't like it in the begining but after, everything from Linux to Windows 8.1 become bluryyyy :p
09:28.06Andrew_Kwell.. the truth is that things have to be changed sometimes..)
09:28.50Andrew_Ksharp to blurry and blurry to sharp
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09:31.33workAndrew_K: ibouvousaime mva  And the winner is??? http://i.imgur.com/DfvopZt.png
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09:35.00workOh I just notice that KDE don't even have an icon for my battery  :( http://i.imgur.com/DfvopZt.png
09:35.41ibouvousaimeKDEE !! lel
09:35.58ibouvousaimework: what are those ugly icons on the bottom ?
09:36.04ChemBrowork: maybe it is in this triangle?
09:36.48ibouvousaimework: you took the windows icon theme ?
09:36.49Andrew_Kibouvousaime: w10
09:37.15ibouvousaimeyou installed the windows 10 icon theme on linux ? hahaha
09:37.39ChemBroi guess, one of them is a vm
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09:38.30ibouvousaimeAndrew_K: yeah since its ugly hahaha
09:38.36mvawork: it is distro maintainer's fault, not KDE, nor KDE icons artists. Each software shall provide it's icon in /usr/share/icons/{pixmaps,hicolor} which are usually fallbacks
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09:39.24ChemBroso all for nothing
09:41.09mvawork: http://i.imgur.com/YTMkMJe.png (I even checked "always show all icons" in systray settings, and... there is icons for every thing there :)
09:41.14workibouvousaime: Ugly??? they may not be pretty but they are not ugly seriously :p
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09:42.17mva// and yes, fonts in Fx URL bar is ugly. I'm trying to play with hinting now
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09:43.01ibouvousaimehahha
09:43.41workibouvousaime: non am using Windows 10 currenly after 24 days () it refused to boot() so it was an occasion for me to linuxify myself but you know what ?? I missed Windows
09:44.17ibouvousaimeit happenned to me so many times work
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09:46.23workmva: What icon pack are you using? it looks nice!!! And don't forget to tell me your Firefox theme
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09:47.06ibouvousaimeeverytime I install windows my patitions disapear like 3 days later, Im not sure if its a hard drive problem or something like that lol
09:47.25workmva: your panel looks too greyish though  :p
09:48.37workibouvousaime: I too have similar issues... I think it's hard drive problem... mine have some bad sector for sure...
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09:49.54ibouvousaimework: hopefully linux manages somehow to survive it
09:50.05mvawork: Breeze Dark Classic + Arquetype-Breeze desktop theme (panel, and some icons for tray plasmoids ships with it). And, talking about Firefox/Thunderbird — it's DeepDark theme (plus some hacks with stylish for things that I dislike about how artist made them) :)
09:53.50workLinux is good for other stuff like developpement... web server  (if not better) So it is  here to stay...
09:54.54mvait is also good for gaming, lol
09:55.04workmva: OMG you know I've been using Arquetype for like 20 days just because of the default theme...
09:55.37workAnd it comes with lot of Apps
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09:55.47mvalooks at his 800+ games in steam and about some thousands in gentoo portage and overlays :P
09:57.47workGUYS, I need to switch to ----> ... I am missing My KDE already... :)
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10:06.22kfunkmva: (kdevelop dev here) -- I saw kdevelop 5.0(?) open in your tray. happy with it? :)
10:06.39workHELLO... Am Back to KDE Neon :) .... mva  look my setup ,  http://i.imgur.com/hwLltQL.png What do you guys think about it?
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10:09.23mvakfunk: sometimes, when it don't krash due to one of plugins or something :D
10:09.40kfunkmva: :(
10:09.47kfunkdid you report that? or do you have a backtrace for me
10:09.58mvas/krash/crash/ // KDE ate my spellchecker :)
10:10.08kfunkthere's #kdevelop btw, fairly active channel
10:11.08mvakfunk: they're mostly reported :) And, yep. I joining #kdevelop time-to-time (and funny fact: I never manually left it. Only by bouncer reboot) :)
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10:21.42redeyedmanwork: cool
10:23.13workredeyedman: Thank :) I need to find good icons though... my folders don't even look the same
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10:29.14kfunkmva: are those like super annoying crashes? link?
10:29.22kfunkpreparing for release, that's why I'm asking.
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10:35.58mvakfunk: it's hard to answer now :) Last time I checked, it crashed quite often, but I can't reproduce it right now (and I've planning to upgrade it from current git HEAD in near future, so then it will be much honest answer than now) ;)
10:36.09fuzeis there any way to fix kubuntu's driver manager being stuck at "Collecting Information about your system"?
10:36.17kfunkmva: awesome keep me/us posted ;)
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11:18.18evilgryi just reported https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365856 in case anyone is wondering or has this feature in a more new release
11:18.43evilgrykde version 4.14.2
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11:32.42FLHerneevilgry: Plasma 5 has that feature
11:33.02FLHerneAlthough it's a notification-style popup, not a context menu
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11:33.54evilgryFLHerne: thank you, I'll check if the distro has plasma5 available. does it mean it is a bug to be closed, or kde4 and kde5 have the features maintained separately?
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11:35.00FLHerneKDE4 isn't maintained anymore, except a few bugfix releases of the libs. There won't be any new features there.
11:35.23FLHerneOh, someone already closed your bug ;-)
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11:36.51evilgryFLHerne: lol what a good bug resolution :-) do such bugs get fed to another project, like a kde4 fork (or does another project people pick them up here in some way)?
11:37.20evilgryyou probably don't know an answer, but I figured I would ask anyway. And you gave excellent answer too. :-)
11:37.53FLHerneevilgry: I don't know of any KDE4 fork, the change to Plasma 5 was much smaller than 3 to 4
11:38.44evilgryok :-)
11:39.50FLHerneKDE4 really is just dead, no-one's interested in issues with it unless they're still unfixed in 5.x
11:39.54redeyedmanI'm still waiting temperature widget for Plasma5  :-)
11:43.03FLHerneredeyedman: The 'Thermal Monitor' widget works, although it's not as nice as the old one
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11:45.59redeyedmanhmm I don't have Thermal Monitor in my Plasma 5.7 (on Gentoo), probably I missed something
11:47.07FLHerneYou can get it through knewstuff
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12:13.22redeyedmanI got
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13:44.34somebodyHello. Is it possible to set a shortcut in KDE to set all the windows demainding your attention as "read"?
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13:52.18somebodyI mean, sure, it's not there in the standard options, but can you make a CLI comman to execute on a custom shortcut with this?
13:52.45Clifspearesomebody: demanding your attention?
13:52.57Clifspearesomebody: in what way?
13:53.19somebodyClifspeare: It's the KDe term, I believe. You know the orange highlight thing, when you get a new IM message? It's that.
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14:12.14paranoidabhialt+space opens the krunner. Can I directly search google in it?
14:12.29paranoidabhiI am using kde 5.6.5 with kubuntu 16.04
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14:18.38paranoidabhiany ideas?
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14:18.52ShalokShalommaybe with konqueror shotcuts?
14:19.00ShalokShalomsee the settings menu of Krunner
14:19.03somebodyparanoidabhi: Not by default, no. I think Ubuntu did something like this, they were meet with backlast from pricvacy-conscious people.
14:19.08ShalokShalomold one offer youtube, iirc
14:19.10ShalokShalom4
14:19.22ShalokShalomsomebody: Startpage?
14:21.11somebodyShalokShalom: Maybe? I am not really into it.
14:21.30ShalokShalomi mean, Startpage is fine, why not implement that one?
14:21.34ShalokShalomor ddg
14:21.36ShalokShalomect
14:22.16somebodyShalokShalom: Not enough demand, if I had to guess.
14:22.19paranoidabhisomebody, I hoping like what I type a url it opens it in the default browser. Likewise, for some option to google search also.
14:22.46somebodyparanoidabhi: It does that already.
14:22.59somebodyLike, if I type in "google.com", it offers to open it in browser.
14:23.45ShalokShalomparanoidabhi: how can i prefer some types, like places?
14:24.00ShalokShalomcurrently is the default selection a picture, when i type youtube.com
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14:26.51somebodyShalokShalom: You can turn things on and off, if they get in the way.
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14:37.56DracwyrmHI all. When using Dashboard launcher with plasma 5.7.1 (it started in 5.7.0), frameworks 5.24, kde apps 16.04.3, there is a plank space in the most clicked applications section. It's clickable and it's mouse overable, but I can't right-click to remove it. When I click on it, it opens kwallet settings.
14:37.57Dracwyrmhttp://imgur.com/a/LsqSK
14:38.39DracwyrmThis is a bug with kwallet that it is putting a blank icon to the settings page or a bug in dashboard?
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14:53.41ZrenHmmm, happens to me too (but it opens the icon theme settings).
14:53.59Zrenhttps://i.imgur.com/4pQWset.png
14:54.29DracwyrmZren: So it's looking like a bug in something then.
14:54.30ZrenDracwyrm, Does recent applications show an empty icon w/ "metadata.desktop"
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14:54.43ZrenThat opens kwallet?
14:55.02DracwyrmZren: It opens the settings page of kwallet.
14:55.24DracwyrmWhere would I find the metadata.desktop?
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15:03.39ZrenDracwyrm, Switch to recent documents, then back to recent applications
15:03.56Zrenit show's metadata.desktop under an empty space right?
15:06.01DracwyrmZren: Switching like that causes the blank space to take the name of the recent file that is in the same square location. However, clicking on it makes the name go away.
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15:17.06ZrenDracwyrm, Just realized that "metadata.desktop" is the title of the item that's in same spot in the recent documents.
15:17.45ZrenWhich means it's not updating the tile properly.
15:18.25DracwyrmZren: It also happens if you choose a different thing. then move aside to go up to recent apps. So, you choose Development it will be the name of a dev app that's there.
15:19.05DracwyrmZren: I think it's putting an icon there that shouldn't be since for me it's kwallet settings and for you its icon theme settings.
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15:19.38DracwyrmZren: It's putting a settings thing there and it's not a real app with a real icon, so it's not updating it right because it has no idea what to do with it.
15:19.42ZrenDracwyrm, What's your ~/.xsession-errors look like?
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15:20.53ZrenI've got a: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.kicker/contents/ui/DashboardRepresentation.qml:274:17: QML Heading: Binding loop detected for property "height"
15:21.30DracwyrmZren: This is the whole thing: http://dpaste.com/0FQ4CAZ Not very long.
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15:29.52ciscDid the tray icons on Plasma 5.7 get smaller? After updating the default size is a lot smaller
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15:32.16pierre^in 5.7.0 is smaller
15:32.28ciscok thx
15:32.29pierre^in 5..7.1 is normal
15:32.59pierre^in 5.7.2 i dont known , i compile it now
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15:44.49ZrenDashboardRepresentation.qml:274 is the "heading", so that's not it. There's a bunch of ___ is undefined for ItemGridDelegate, but that's a symptom, not a cause.
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15:53.37DracwyrmZren: It didn't do this on the previous version of Plasma or frameworks. So the difference in the code between there for the dashboard should have the answer, or the bug was always there and there was new code that activated this bug.
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17:56.53ibouvousaimeHow can I add custom menu items to dolphin's right click menu ?
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17:58.46Fuchsibouvousaime: by writing custom service files,  http://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201210/page09.html  is mostly correct, only the paths need to be adapted if you use the KF5 dolphin
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17:59.12Fuchsibouvousaime: .local/share/kservices5/ServiceMenus/   these days
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18:01.14ibouvousaimeFuchs: thank you :)
18:01.39Fuchsyou're welcome
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18:03.40ibouvousaimebut Fuchs I cant find the kservices5 folder :/
18:04.00Fuchsyou might have to create it
18:04.06Fuchsthere is a global one
18:04.11Fuchswhich exists for sure
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18:04.13Fuchsthe one above is per user
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18:07.38ibouvousaimeI think  found the global one at /usr/share/kservices5/ServiceMenu
18:07.44ibouvousaimeit exists :)
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19:15.17name3205hello
19:16.26name3205how do I forcefully kill empty window relict that is child of already dead application and thus empty
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19:17.29name3205it has close button greyed out and I dont see it in ps -ef output
19:17.57cb400fname3205: try ctrl+alt+esc ... should turn the mouse cursor into skull and crossbone, then click the window... but be careful were you click ;-)
19:18.24name3205beautiful
19:18.51name3205wonderful and exciting ... lol, I use kde for something like 8 years
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19:19.04name3205cb400f: thanks!!!!
19:19.15cb400fI think this is an xorg feature... but not 100% sure
19:19.26cb400fnifty regardless
19:20.28name3205I never used this shortcut until now
19:21.44name3205thanks again, this made my day !!!
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19:22.30cb400fnp
19:23.35e-animais there a list of accepted bugs that may be fixed in the next release?
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19:34.24ibouvousaimemy clock no longer works
19:34.33ibouvousaimeand I get this error when I click on it
19:34.35ibouvousaime"Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.analogclock/c"
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19:41.33ibouvousaimehere is the full output of the error Im getting
19:41.34ibouvousaimehttps://gist.github.com/anonymous/29dea0b294c5adcb66056a75cdf38ca4
19:41.37ibouvousaimefor my clock
19:41.44ibouvousaimecan anyone help me ?
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19:46.58dmattibouvousaime: is the file there and with right permissions?
19:47.33workHello, Do you guys know how to add pinch to zoom? Am using KDE Neon
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19:57.48ibouvousaimedmatt: -rw-r--r--
19:58.00ibouvousaimeI guess
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20:00.08ibouvousaimedmatt: here are its contents https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c8504715540c506977187e5b9cd5e909
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20:02.40dmattibouvousaime: what were you doing before problem started? any updates?
20:03.47ibouvousaimedmatt: I dont really remember, Ive just noticed it now
20:04.16ibouvousaimeI havent done system updates for a while now (at least these last 2 days)
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20:04.43ibouvousaimeI mean I havent done something like sudo pacman -Syu
20:05.04ibouvousaimeit was okay this morning
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20:07.55dmattibouvousaime: hm, so you booted pc in the morning and it worked, now you booted in the evening and it doesn't work
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20:10.08dmattif you usually do not reboot in days, that could be some older update finally coming into force after reload
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20:10.49ibouvousaimeafter a log out and a log in the clock went back to normal
20:10.58ibouvousaimebut now I have multiple clocks lol
20:11.24ibouvousaimehow can I remove the extra clock widgets ?
20:12.49dmattibouvousaime: try right click
20:13.09ibouvousaimeI have tried it
20:13.26ibouvousaimebut where is "remove widget" or something similar
20:13.57dmattllast option in right click
20:14.38dmattor try unlock widgets first, if you have them locked
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22:30.36Neroshey! I don't understand something with Kate.... Where is the python plugin? Can you help me? :) (I'm on Arch)
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22:49.00rdieterNeros: afaict, the python plugin was never ported for the kf5-based version
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22:50.54rdieterhttps://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kate.git&a=commit&h=1045e80ca7f64986ab4d9e7523726168e96847ba
22:51.18rdieterassuming "pate" is what you were talking about
22:51.36Nerosrdieter thanks you for your answer! But it's sad :/
22:51.41Nerosyes, it was pâté
22:52.11NerosI'm surprised it's not ported to kf5
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22:59.34genstormit looks like pykde4 was a dependency, and pykde5 is still nowhere near a release
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23:12.27Nerosgenstorm well, I can abandon the idea to have a python plugin for the time being
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23:57.47valorieNeros: or you could help with the porting
23:57.52valorie:-)

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