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| 00:22.07 | Roey | hey all |
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| 00:22.17 | Roey | how do I set Dolphin to select instead of launch, upon single clicks? |
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| 00:25.30 | axc1298 | Roey: did you look in dolphin preferences? |
| 00:25.41 | axc1298 | it's in the navigation tab on my system |
| 00:25.41 | Roey | yeah, I can't find it there |
| 00:25.48 | Roey | or at least I did not when I did check it |
| 00:26.24 | axc1298 | it's called double click to open files and folders |
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| 00:29.36 | Roey | ahhh ok great, thanks! |
| 00:29.39 | Roey | axc1298: ^ |
| 00:30.12 | axc1298 | Roey: no problem |
| 00:30.14 | Roey | axc1298: where is this setting though??? |
| 00:30.17 | Roey | I seriously cannot find it |
| 00:30.21 | Roey | Either I am blind or stupid |
| 00:30.37 | axc1298 | in kde 4 you select configure dolphin, then go to the navigation tab |
| 00:30.41 | axc1298 | i don't know about kde 5 |
| 00:30.41 | Roey | ok.. |
| 00:30.59 | Roey | because there are only two things in Navigation and they aren't it. |
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| 01:10.06 | Roey | s/but/and |
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| 02:51.23 | uid1 | Roey: did you find an answer? I just looked and you're right - it no longer seems to be an option?!? |
| 02:53.21 | uid1 | Roey: System Settings > Input Devices > Mouse > General :: Icons > Double Click to open files and folders |
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| 03:06.08 | Krampus | what process draws the "KDE Loading" progress bar? It never actually finishes on mydesktop and just says there at 95%ish. |
| 03:07.58 | Roey | uid1: yes! |
| 03:08.01 | Roey | yeah I found it there |
| 03:08.06 | Roey | thanks :) |
| 03:08.46 | Roey | I typed in #kde-cafe: |
| 03:08.50 | Roey | <Roey> ok found it |
| 03:08.50 | Roey | <Roey> thanks |
| 03:08.50 | Roey | <Roey> god that was fucking annoying as fucking fuck. |
| 03:08.50 | Roey | <Roey> dolphin should link to that. |
| 03:08.52 | Roey | <Roey> fuck |
| 03:08.54 | Roey | <Roey> FUCK that was annoying. |
| 03:08.56 | Roey | <Roey> I thought I was either blind or stupid |
| 03:08.58 | Roey | <Roey> for not being able to find this despite all this searching among the options |
| 03:09.21 | Roey | at 20:43 EDT |
| 03:09.33 | Roey | uid1: good night! |
| 03:09.40 | Roey | and good night Krampus, hopeyou get an answer soon |
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| 03:28.05 | BlueProtoman | Why the hell is plasmashell's CPU usage so high and how can I reduce it? |
| 03:28.34 | uid1 | Roey: KDE4 was near perfect, it was just the settings that needed a bit of tweaking and reorganizing. That's not what we got though... |
| 03:28.58 | uid1 | BlueProtoman: Which video driver(s) are you using? |
| 03:29.41 | BlueProtoman | uid1: Not quite sure, how can I check? |
| 03:29.56 | uid1 | When I go to System Settings > Driver Manager, I get... "Gathering information about your system" but it never (ever) actually gives any info... |
| 03:31.03 | thiago | there's no such option in System settings |
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| 03:31.26 | uid1 | inxi -x -G should give the info (if you have inxi installed) |
| 03:32.14 | uid1 | thiago: What version are you running? Inside the location I gave above, the dialogue is labelled: Driver management software |
| 03:32.38 | uid1 | inxi -x -G should give the info (if you have inxi installed) <-- BlueProtoman |
| 03:32.48 | thiago | BlueProtoman: run qtdiag |
| 03:32.57 | thiago | it should say at the bottom |
| 03:32.58 | BlueProtoman | uid1, thiago: Output of uid1's command http://paste.ubuntu.com/16336431/ |
| 03:33.36 | thiago | ok, SNB graphics and using MEsa |
| 03:34.00 | BlueProtoman | So I should just switch on my nVidia card? |
| 03:34.05 | thiago | no |
| 03:34.07 | thiago | that's not the point |
| 03:34.13 | BlueProtoman | Then what is? |
| 03:34.15 | thiago | the GPU and drivers are not the issue |
| 03:34.21 | thiago | the problem is something else |
| 03:34.50 | uid1 | Dammit, I try to drag that link to an open Firefox tab and it won't load. Same with URL bar. If I drop it on the actual tab itself, I get this: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%E7%91%A8%E7%81%B4%E2%BC%BA%E7%80%AF%E7%8D%A1%E6%95%B4%E7%94%AE%E7%95%A2%E7%91%AE%E2%B9%B5%E6%BD%A3%E2%BD%AD%E3%98%B1%E3%8C%B3%E3%90%B6%E3%84%B3%E0%B4%AF&t=canonical |
| 03:34.53 | thiago | is the CPU usage high after you restart plasma shell? Open a konsole shell and run: kquitapp plasmashell; sleep 2s; kdeinit5_wrapper plasmashell |
| 03:35.22 | uid1 | Uh, that doesn't look right. It's a DuckDuckGo (my default search engine) search for: ç¨ç´â¼ºç¯ç¡æ´ç®ç¢ç®ï¿½æ½£â½ã±ã³ã¶ã³à´¯ |
| 03:35.26 | uid1 | WTF KDE? |
| 03:35.51 | thiago | did you search for that? |
| 03:35.55 | BlueProtoman | uid1: Ok, nowhere near as high now. |
| 03:36.41 | thiago | uid1: what did you search for? |
| 03:36.42 | BlueProtoman | However, plasma has not yet start back up and it's been well over 2 seconds |
| 03:36.51 | uid1 | thiago: I merely dragged the link above to paste.ubuntu.com into a Firefox tab (and dropped on the tab below the title bar). |
| 03:36.53 | thiago | BlueProtoman: run the kdeinit5_wrapper command again |
| 03:37.01 | thiago | uid1: the link looks correct |
| 03:37.35 | BlueProtoman | thiago: Nope, still nothing except "Launched ok, pid = 1675" |
| 03:37.50 | thiago | BlueProtoman: check if the process is running. pidof plasmashell |
| 03:37.53 | thiago | BlueProtoman: is it? |
| 03:38.11 | BlueProtoman | thiago: Yes, it is |
| 03:38.21 | thiago | BlueProtoman: is it one of the PIDs that it had said it launched? |
| 03:38.25 | BlueProtoman | Yep |
| 03:38.47 | thiago | kill it and try kdeinit5_wrapper again |
| 03:38.55 | thiago | something is preventing it from starting |
| 03:40.01 | BlueProtoman | thiago: Still nothing. "Launched ok, pid = 7215" |
| 03:40.30 | thiago | it's failing to initialise. It could be the same reason... |
| 03:40.36 | thiago | or kded5 is stuck or something |
| 03:40.40 | BlueProtoman | I' |
| 03:41.07 | BlueProtoman | I'm still not getting anything. |
| 03:41.41 | thiago | qdbus org.kde.kded5. Does it get stuck? |
| 03:44.22 | BlueProtoman | Wait, now plasmashell has reappeared...sort of. Hold on, trying to get screenshot |
| 03:44.31 | BlueProtoman | Wait, now it's fine again |
| 03:44.43 | BlueProtoman | Thank you. |
| 03:45.15 | BlueProtoman | (I'm switching back to GNOME when the semester ends, though. I've had it up to here with KDE.) |
| 03:48.59 | uid1 | BlueProtoman: Ya ought to try KDE 4 before leaving KDE altogether - it was probably the finest DE ever. Finally something to make OS/2 nostalgia fade. |
| 03:49.27 | BlueProtoman | uid1: I'm assuming KDE5 is a bad case of "it's not broken, let's fix it"? |
| 03:50.31 | uid1 | I'm afraid so (IMHO). I'm just not down with the "flat" look that's everywhere these days, and that plus possible extension into the mobile space seems to have been the reason. |
| 03:50.41 | uid1 | I could be entirely wrong on that, just my outsider's view. |
| 03:50.52 | thiago | switch back to Oxygen on Plasmashell |
| 03:50.56 | BlueProtoman | How long will KDE4 be supported? |
| 03:50.58 | thiago | you don't have to use Breeze |
| 03:51.02 | thiago | BlueProtoman: until the end of 2015 |
| 03:52.00 | uid1 | I've got "Plastik" (sp?) running for a bit more old-tyme experience. It's a bit easier on my tired old eyes, but I haven't found any single thing I like better about the newer stuff. |
| 03:52.26 | BlueProtoman | What's so special about Oxygen? |
| 03:52.29 | uid1 | And I'm not against all new stuff - I'm fine with and even partial towards systemd, tabs-above-URL-bar, etc. |
| 03:52.50 | thiago | nothing is special about Oxygen |
| 03:52.55 | thiago | it's the theme that KDE 4 used |
| 03:53.04 | thiago | Plasma 5 switched to Breeze |
| 03:53.19 | BlueProtoman | My problem is not KDE looking ugly. It's being slow and CPU hungry. I did not have that problem with GNOME. |
| 03:53.22 | thiago | Plastik was the theme from latter-KDE 3 days |
| 03:53.28 | thiago | before that, it was Keramik |
| 03:53.37 | thiago | and KDE 3.0 and 3.1 used something even plainer |
| 03:53.58 | thiago | isn't having problems with slowness |
| 03:54.08 | thiago | plasma does climb CPU usage after a day or two running |
| 03:54.13 | thiago | restarting it solves the problem |
| 03:54.39 | BlueProtoman | ...seriously? Is this a reskinned Windows XP or something? |
| 03:58.06 | uid1 | thiago: You seem pretty knowledgeable -- what was the main reason(s) behind the new KF5 ? I honestly haven't heard anything compelling - again I haven't really looked hard. |
| 03:58.15 | thiago | BlueProtoman: no |
| 03:58.37 | thiago | uid1: well, it's meant to provide libraries for Qt5 application writers in more bite-sized chunks |
| 03:58.57 | thiago | instead of one big libkdecore and libkdeui that do everything, which application writers would never use, they come in smaller libs |
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| 03:59.02 | thiago | for example, libKF5Archive |
| 03:59.52 | uid1 | Makes sense. But it feels like some stuff was left out along the way. |
| 04:00.36 | uid1 | Even the Linux Luddites podcast seemed to like the new KDE and their slogan is, "Not all change is good" and they're a right curmudgeonly bunch (lovable though, very nice guys it seems). |
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| 04:01.52 | uid1 | I've looked into compiling SC4 4.14.3 so I can have my favourite a bit longer with a more up-to-date kernel and systemd init system. It's a bit over my head, but I'm going to keep banging on it. |
| 04:02.30 | uid1 | Meanwhile CentOS 7 ought to have SC4 4.11 or 4.12 for the foreseeable future. |
| 04:02.43 | thiago | uid1: what is missing in KF5? |
| 04:03.32 | uid1 | kremotecontrol (or any method of remote control) isn't quite working. I'd like more customization of window appearance - scroll bars for one thing. |
| 04:03.52 | thiago | that's not a library |
| 04:04.14 | uid1 | Konversation has lost the feature whereby it puts a hot-key combo on each newly opened channel for easy tab switching. |
| 04:04.35 | thiago | why do you think that's a regression in one of the libraries? |
| 04:04.52 | uid1 | Drag & drop doesn't work everywhere anymore (i.e. those strange Chinese characters in a search term when dragging a link to Ubuntu into browser). |
| 04:05.15 | uid1 | It's a regression in user experience. |
| 04:05.29 | thiago | I understand, but why are you blaming KF5? |
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| 04:06.18 | thiago | can you explain the drag-and-drop problem? |
| 04:06.20 | uid1 | Because everything worked as expected prior to it appearing. I'm not necessarily blaming KF5, but the entire package which may include plasma, etc. |
| 04:07.10 | uid1 | When I drag & drop a link from, say, Konversation into a Firefox window, it won't load. When I drag it to the URL / location bar, it won't load. When I drop it onto the tab, I get a search for Chinese characters. |
| 04:07.48 | uid1 | I'll get a translation on those characters momentarily... I'm rather curious if they mean anything. |
| 04:08.35 | thiago | I can't confirm |
| 04:08.47 | thiago | I've just dragged from kmail into the browser and it worked |
| 04:10.14 | thiago | hmm... not with firefox |
| 04:13.14 | thiago | there's an encoding problem |
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| 04:13.35 | uid1 | Okay - on the translation: "it's jibberish". And believe me, she knows "jibberish". /snark |
| 04:16.01 | thiago | mojibake, actually |
| 04:16.08 | thiago | I think the problem is in Gtk, not Qt |
| 04:16.41 | uid1 | Could be I suppose. |
| 04:17.54 | uid1 | I'm trying to remember other drag & drop scenarios that didn't work, but I believe they included Firefox. One definitely was from Firefox into a plasmoid (widget) : widget asked for URL for Vancouver, had to copy / paste instead of drag & drop. Didn't try from Chromium though. |
| 04:18.15 | thiago | also a gtk application |
| 04:21.05 | uid1 | Dammit. That explains why it didn't work there too. |
| 04:21.23 | uid1 | Okay, here's one that is curious and was mentioned above: |
| 04:22.27 | uid1 | System Settings > Driver Manager (not device manager) -- "Collecting information on your system" but never completes nor presents any info. Is that just me? |
| 04:24.35 | thiago | probably, because there's no Driver Manager |
| 04:28.55 | uid1 | I'll post a screen-shot when I figure out why a simple Print Screen keypress doesn't work... |
| 04:32.12 | thiago | do you have spectacle installed? |
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| 04:34.49 | uid1 | Must be that I don't - was just checking out the Custom Shortcuts which are mapped as expected. hang on... |
| 04:35.24 | uid1 | Installed... |
| 04:37.32 | uid1 | Do I need to start Input actions daemon or something to get Print Screen to work now? *sigh* |
| 04:39.14 | thiago | yes, like KDE 3 and 4 |
| 04:40.07 | uid1 | I don't remember ever having to do anything in KDE4 to get a screen grab except press Print Screen, which popped up a window / dialogue with lots of helpful options. |
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| 04:40.55 | thiago | indeed, kglobalacceld should have been started |
| 04:41.02 | thiago | it's not a new application |
| 04:41.35 | uid1 | ps -e | grep globa gives: 2290 ? 00:00:03 kglobalaccel5 |
| 04:42.51 | thiago | there you go |
| 04:42.53 | thiago | it's running |
| 04:42.58 | thiago | do you have spectacle installed? |
| 04:43.42 | uid1 | yes, from dpkg -s spectacle: Status: install ok installed |
| 04:44.43 | uid1 | Checking Desktop Effects... |
| 04:45.11 | thiago | just run spectacle if you want to take a screenshot |
| 04:46.07 | uid1 | Okay - tried that in terminal, got... The program 'spectacle' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install kde-spectacle |
| 04:46.26 | uid1 | "?" I guess spectacle and kde-spectacle are separated packages? Anyway, off to install that... |
| 04:47.00 | uid1 | THAT's what I was looking for... |
| 04:53.03 | uid1 | http://imgur.com/zALVpeT <-- thiago (and that dragged and dropped nicely into Konversation input field) |
| 04:56.09 | thiago | there's no "hardware > driver manager" option in systemsettings5 |
| 04:57.32 | uid1 | Might it be something kubuntu-desktop installed? |
| 04:57.33 | thiago | see if you have a file named /usr/share/kservices5/settings-* that has "driver" in the name |
| 04:57.38 | thiago | if you do, check what package owns that file |
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| 04:59.24 | uid1 | I do, and this is where my former-favourite package manager (apt) makes things tricky - finding ownership of files... |
| 05:00.38 | thiago | you're the expert |
| 05:01.27 | uid1 | Not with apt; pacman -Qo /usr/share/... would be easy. yum provides too. Hence apt has fallen down my list of favourites. But nearly there... |
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| 05:01.44 | thiago | so does rpm |
| 05:02.00 | thiago | I also know how to do it with opkg |
| 05:02.05 | thiago | but no clue about apt or dpkg |
| 05:04.23 | uid1 | For any poor buggers interested: dpkg-query -S /usr/share/kservices5/settings-hardware-"?" |
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| 05:05.52 | uid1 | I have 6 files matching settings-hardware* and all come from package systemsettings |
| 05:07.32 | uid1 | A simple dpkg -S /path/to/file works too btw. |
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| 05:27.51 | thiago | any of them with "drvier" in the naem? |
| 05:30.16 | uid1 | thiago: No. display, input, multimedia, peripherals, powermanagement, and settings-hardware.desktop (i.e. nothing appended). |
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| 07:40.27 | Leoneof | is there any setting/config for font in Plasma 5? texts are not clear, and blurry, i changed all options in Settings->Fonts , didn't help. |
| 07:41.05 | Leoneof | kde4/plasma4 was ok by default. |
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| 07:57.15 | Sho_ | Leoneof: can you take a screenshot? |
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| 08:04.11 | Calinou | >people like pixelated texts |
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| 09:14.22 | jaggz | anyone know how to stop event sounds from being so loud? |
| 09:14.47 | jaggz | I'm in kde4 .. I turned "event sounds" down in the mixer, but that doesn't seem to affect them |
| 09:15.02 | jaggz | when I try to close Jovie, for instance (it's not speaking text when I try.. I'm trying to get that to work right now) |
| 09:15.14 | jaggz | the quit confirmation window chimes REALLY loud |
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| 09:23.03 | JyZyXEL | why can Dolphin not access encfs shares? |
| 09:23.30 | JyZyXEL | every other file manager can access mounted encfs directories except dolphin |
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| 09:24.26 | JyZyXEL | dolphin just shows the directory empty |
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| 09:41.46 | Calinou | jaggz: fix your system/hardware volume then |
| 09:42.00 | Calinou | if you're setting all applications to use 10% volume, maybe consider changing one of those or both :) |
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| 09:43.37 | jaggz | thanks :) |
| 09:43.42 | jaggz | I think |
| 09:43.45 | jaggz | not sure if it helped :) |
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| 13:54.05 | swimmer_ | I'm having troubles on printing from KDE apps from a ubuntu 16.04 into a network printer. For all other apps, it prints, for kde apps, don't print UNLESS I restart cups-browsed, any pointers? |
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| 13:57.31 | martian67 | ah |
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| 14:22.34 | adfeno | Hi, does anyone know the license for the user interface used in KDE? |
| 14:23.50 | adfeno | I'm creating a project to teach free software users about society's essential freedoms regarding functional data. The project is planned to interface with many user interfaces, and I need to know the license of the thing used to create buttons, windows, bars, and such. |
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| 14:25.10 | ShalokShalom | does anybody know, why the network widget show me each available network for 10 times? |
| 14:25.54 | ShalokShalom | ok, restart of the app solves it |
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| 14:31.18 | elvisangelaccio | adfeno: most of the UI is based on Qt, which means LGPL |
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| 14:31.46 | adfeno | Interesting... :D |
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| 14:46.26 | JustinHitla | how to find out width and height of the window ? there should be tool like "xinfo" or something like that |
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| 14:54.59 | adfeno | JustinHitla: xwininfo? |
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| 15:05.08 | JustinHitla | adfeno: right |
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| 15:05.14 | adfeno | :D |
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| 15:52.25 | hyper_ch | hi there, I'm having an issue when trying to power down/restart.... I get a pop up telling my ksmserver could not be started. I press ok, then it shuts down stuff and logs out. But it stays at login screen instead of powering down. How can I troubleshoot that? |
| 15:54.43 | leszek | hyper_ch: sounds fishy. What version of plasma/kde sc on which distro ? |
| 15:54.49 | hyper_ch | Sysinfo for 'subi': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.5.5 on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) powered by Linux 4.4.0-22-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4200U CPU @ 1.60GHz at 2299-2300/2600 MHz, RAM: 14027/15488 MB, Storage: 324/469 GB, 290 procs, 1.12h up |
| 15:55.12 | hyper_ch | the popup appears only after I select to shutdown/reboot in kde |
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| 15:56.01 | hyper_ch | grepping ksmserver after booting up returns https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/9234c2e2 |
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| 15:56.33 | warsoul | how can i install kde on debian 8 |
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| 15:57.00 | hyper_ch | warsoul: https://wiki.debian.org/KDE |
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| 15:58.32 | hyper_ch | leszek: I also have a gpg shutdown script https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/48d67528 not sure if that interferes |
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| 16:05.00 | leszek | hyper_ch: your paste service is broken |
| 16:05.42 | hyper_ch | leszek: works perfectly fine. What's broken in your opinion? |
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| 16:07.46 | leszek | hyper_ch: I only get a site which shows: An Error Was Encountered |
| 16:08.30 | hyper_ch | leszek: hmmm, strange.... did you copy'n'paste the full url? |
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| 16:08.49 | hyper_ch | what browser do you use? |
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| 16:09.06 | leszek | yes, clicked it copied it does not work. I am using chromium |
| 16:09.14 | hyper_ch | hmmm, weird |
| 16:09.18 | hyper_ch | chromium here as well, works fine |
| 16:09.26 | hyper_ch | can you ping paste.simplylinux.ch ? |
| 16:09.45 | hyper_ch | site uses LE ssl certs |
| 16:10.49 | hyper_ch | last error in the vhost error log: [Sun May 08 17:52:10.270899 2016] [fcgid:warn] [pid 11665] (32)Broken pipe: [client xxxx:xxx:xx:xxx::x:xxxxx] mod_fcgid: ap_pass_brigade failed in handle_request_ipc function |
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| 16:11.33 | hyper_ch | leszek: ping should go to 176.9.139.175 |
| 16:12.40 | leszek | yeah works |
| 16:13.37 | hyper_ch | this afternoon another domain couldn't get pinged... but I guess that was my local isp that had some issues |
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| 16:13.52 | hyper_ch | leszek: how about https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/48d67528 |
| 16:14.26 | leszek | hyper_ch: that works |
| 16:14.39 | hyper_ch | weird |
| 16:15.30 | hyper_ch | even with JS deactivated it should work |
| 16:18.50 | hyper_ch | leszek: just out of curiosity, can you curl/weg it? |
| 16:18.57 | hyper_ch | s/weg/wget/ |
| 16:20.57 | ShalokShalom | which pastebin is that? |
| 16:21.01 | ShalokShalom | kde? |
| 16:21.35 | hyper_ch | ShalokShalom: mine, why? |
| 16:21.45 | ShalokShalom | yep |
| 16:21.47 | ShalokShalom | yours? |
| 16:21.51 | hyper_ch | yes, mine |
| 16:21.56 | ShalokShalom | kde is yours? |
| 16:22.15 | ShalokShalom | ah, simplylinux? |
| 16:22.16 | hyper_ch | oh, I thought you meant paste.simplylinux.ch :) |
| 16:22.19 | hyper_ch | that's mine :) |
| 16:23.02 | forgottenone | hi,i cannot save the changes in the profiles of konsole, anyone knows what is the cause of this? |
| 16:23.33 | BlaXpirit | forgottenone, the files somehow became read-only once for me, could be that |
| 16:23.46 | ShalokShalom | hyper_ch: fine :) |
| 16:23.49 | ShalokShalom | http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/search?query=wie+hei%C3%9Ft+du&source=auto |
| 16:23.50 | leszek | forgottenone: really konsole or something like yakuake ? |
| 16:23.58 | forgottenone | leszek: i meant both |
| 16:24.14 | forgottenone | BlaXpirit: i created a new konsolerc on .config,no lock |
| 16:24.16 | forgottenone | luck* |
| 16:24.27 | BlaXpirit | forgottenone, it's not konsolerc |
| 16:24.36 | hyper_ch | ShalokShalom: and for pasting I usually use my little script: https://github.com/sjau/pastesl |
| 16:24.37 | leszek | forgottenone: there is a bug in yakuake currently that I already reported that it writes a Shell.profile file that it never reads |
| 16:24.43 | BlaXpirit | ~/.local/share/konsole/ |
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| 16:24.55 | hyper_ch | I just wanted a pastebin that works without JS enabled, that by doesn't have public pastes etc :) |
| 16:25.30 | forgottenone | BlaXpirit: interesting thing i dont have that folder |
| 16:25.31 | hyper_ch | and where you can set an expiration time if you want |
| 16:25.35 | leszek | hyper_ch: this is the error I get when analyzing your pastebin: Unable to load the requested language file: language/german/pagination_lang.php |
| 16:25.51 | hyper_ch | leszek: ha, ok :) |
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| 16:26.23 | hyper_ch | thx for checking |
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| 16:27.23 | forgottenone | BlaXpirit: i created konsole folder but still changes in profile is not persistent |
| 16:28.55 | BlaXpirit | forgottenone, what, are you gonna say that you have kde 4? |
| 16:29.22 | forgottenone | BlaXpirit: no,plasma 5.6 |
| 16:31.07 | uid1 | I'm finding that the font size settings in konsole are not persistent. My .config/konsolerc file has rw perms, but font info isn't stored in there. |
| 16:32.32 | uid1 | Anyone know where that info is stored? Or can anyone else confirm the same issue? |
| 16:32.45 | leszek | uid1: it is stored in Shell.profile in ~/.local/share/konsole |
| 16:32.58 | jfmcarreira | hey guys |
| 16:33.14 | jfmcarreira | how can i start a wayland session without a login manager? |
| 16:33.53 | uid1 | leszek: Thanks - unfortunately, I don't have that file - folder exists but is empty. |
| 16:34.15 | uid1 | Owned by root?!? That could be the problem... |
| 16:35.13 | uid1 | Changed perms, changed font, Applied - now have "Profile 1.profile" - yay! |
| 16:35.34 | hyper_ch | leszek: so, any idea regarding my ksmserver issue? |
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| 16:38.16 | leszek | hyper_ch: nope not really an idea whats going wrong there. Do you have something useful maybe in ~/.xsession-errors file ? |
| 16:38.28 | hyper_ch | leszek: that's a big file ;9 |
| 16:39.08 | leszek | hyper_ch: yeah but logging chronologically. So the newest stuff is attached to the bottom |
| 16:39.38 | leszek | hyper_ch: you can even let tail -f run in a tty while performing the logout or reboot/shutdown operation |
| 16:39.43 | hyper_ch | so I should check just after shut down |
| 16:39.49 | hyper_ch | and boot from a live usb then |
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| 16:40.39 | hyper_ch | deleted now the .xsession-error file, will power off |
| 16:40.42 | hyper_ch | and boot live usb |
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| 16:44.38 | ShalokShalom | hyper_ch: http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/search?query=wie+hei%C3%9Ft+du&source=auto |
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| 16:53.28 | hyper_ch | ShalokShalom: ? |
| 16:54.01 | hyper_ch | leszek: hmmm, I deleted the .xsession-error file before powering down... when I booted live usb, assembled raid1, unlocked encryption and mounted it, there was no file there |
| 16:54.35 | leszek | you deleted the file |
| 16:54.53 | hyper_ch | leszek: well, I deleted it before powering down |
| 16:55.03 | hyper_ch | I assumed if new errors appear, they will then be written there |
| 16:55.14 | leszek | apparently not |
| 16:55.32 | leszek | either no new error popped up or it wasn't able to write there |
| 16:55.44 | hyper_ch | well, I got the ksmserver issue again when powering down |
| 16:55.58 | hyper_ch | next time I'll just echo '' > .xsession-error ;) |
| 16:56.12 | hyper_ch | then the file is still there if it was opened or something |
| 16:56.50 | ShalokShalom | hyper_ch: there is a typo in your pastebin service |
| 16:56.55 | ShalokShalom | wie heisst du |
| 16:57.05 | hyper_ch | ShalokShalom: typo? where? |
| 16:57.07 | ShalokShalom | this may be different in ch |
| 16:57.13 | ShalokShalom | wie heisst du |
| 16:57.22 | ShalokShalom | http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/search?query=wie+hei%C3%9Ft+du&source=auto |
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| 16:57.58 | hyper_ch | ShalokShalom: switzerland doens't use the "eszet" |
| 16:58.46 | ShalokShalom | ah, i see |
| 16:59.23 | hyper_ch | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F - While the letter "Ã" has been used in other languages, it is now only used in German. It is not used in Switzerland[2] or Liechtenstein. |
| 16:59.34 | ShalokShalom | a friend of mine life in luzern |
| 16:59.34 | ShalokShalom | live |
| 16:59.50 | hyper_ch | it's a nice city |
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| 17:02.27 | ShalokShalom | swiss is at all nice |
| 17:02.32 | ShalokShalom | from what i hear |
| 17:02.37 | ShalokShalom | much money |
| 17:03.01 | hyper_ch | but everything is equally expensive ;) |
| 17:03.19 | hyper_ch | that's why a lot go shopping in germany and austria and italy and france... if they're close to the border |
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| 17:04.30 | ShalokShalom | hyper_ch: i hear, there are cheaper shops as well |
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| 17:04.51 | hyper_ch | some stuff is cheaper here |
| 17:05.08 | hyper_ch | apple used to by cheaper than in austria... no idea why |
| 17:05.13 | hyper_ch | not sure if it's still the case |
| 17:05.25 | ShalokShalom | and also rent can be cheap, if you are fine with small rooms |
| 17:05.34 | ShalokShalom | in a flat sharing |
| 17:05.51 | hyper_ch | and not wanting to live in zurich, zug, basel or geneva |
| 17:05.55 | ShalokShalom | my friend pay 700⬠for one room |
| 17:05.59 | ShalokShalom | yeah |
| 17:06.07 | ShalokShalom | i think about to work there |
| 17:06.13 | ShalokShalom | set up linux devices, maybe |
| 17:06.52 | hyper_ch | no idea if you can live doing that here |
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| 17:07.32 | uid1 | Does a person have to be a citizen to be able to buy property hyper_ch ? |
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| 17:08.43 | hyper_ch | uid1: no, but you need a permit to stay in switzerland.. if you don't have that, it'll become cumbersome |
| 17:09.24 | hyper_ch | a few years ago there was a popular initiative to limit the amount of second-residence apartments/houses... |
| 17:09.40 | uid1 | Ah. Not that I could afford it, but it's sickening watching the effects of foreign ownership of property here. I'm tempted to leave altogether - it's unobtainable. |
| 17:09.44 | hyper_ch | there's the fear that more and more will be covdered in buildings and a lot of them are by foreigners that are only a few weeks a year here |
| 17:09.52 | hyper_ch | that popular initative was accepts |
| 17:10.19 | hyper_ch | was accepted... so no idea what it's like now without residency permit to buy property |
| 17:10.22 | uid1 | We could use that initiative, or something similar. |
| 17:11.00 | hyper_ch | uid1: you speak german, french or italian? |
| 17:11.02 | uid1 | Real estate's been in a bubble for 15+ years and it's just getting worse. Prices jumped 30% last year alone. |
| 17:11.25 | uid1 | No, but used to be fairly good with Dutch half a lifetime ago. |
| 17:11.34 | hyper_ch | uid1: http://www.zweitwohnungsinitiative.ch/die-initiative.html |
| 17:12.04 | uid1 | Took French in grade school a long, long, long time ago. It's gone now pretty much. |
| 17:12.46 | hyper_ch | basically that popular initative restricts the amount of second-residency places to a max. of 20% |
| 17:13.02 | uid1 | But Switzerland always seemed like a cool place - it's interesting to learn how things are done there. |
| 17:13.25 | hyper_ch | usually, things are done slowly |
| 17:13.29 | hyper_ch | no rapid changes :) |
| 17:13.33 | hyper_ch | can be good or bad ;) |
| 17:13.45 | uid1 | Yeah, double-edged sword that... |
| 17:14.23 | hyper_ch | the reason for it is that there are several political parties and none has an absolute advantage |
| 17:14.33 | hyper_ch | unlike germany, there aren't permanent coalitions done |
| 17:14.39 | uid1 | Vancouver's a nice city, but it's extremely unaffordable. Apparently 2nd most unaffordable city in world, after HK. |
| 17:14.44 | hyper_ch | usually you need to find a majority on per-item basis |
| 17:15.06 | hyper_ch | in some cases it even happens that the leftist and rightist parties work together |
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| 17:16.03 | uid1 | Sounds good. I *hate* "omnibus" legislation. i.e. "The Kittens are Cute Act 2016" which includes lots of draconian laws on pages 800-900 of 1200. |
| 17:16.04 | hyper_ch | also another important point here is the referendum right... if the people are not happy with a new proposed law, they can use the referendum to have a public vote on that law. Whether it will be come in effect or discarded |
| 17:16.43 | hyper_ch | because of that, politicians hardly go to extreme "solutions" because they know that it can be overruled |
| 17:17.31 | uid1 | Nice. Of course, I could see problems with that when the low-info voters are pandered to and grow to a big enough size. |
| 17:17.49 | hyper_ch | also most populare initiatives are rejected. I look of them more as a tool to show the politicians what bothers the people. The federal council usually suggest an alternative to the popular initiatives |
| 17:17.52 | ShalokShalom | hyper_ch: thanks for the link, i send it to my friend |
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| 17:18.09 | hyper_ch | and the people can then vote whether to accept the popular initiative, the altenative or reject them all |
| 17:18.45 | hyper_ch | uid1: it's your job to give info to the people ;) |
| 17:19.11 | hyper_ch | here, you get a booklet with explains what the issue is about... where the government stands and what the "opposition" thinks |
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| 17:20.07 | hyper_ch | uid1: also, 4x a year you can cast your votes on popular initiatives and referendums |
| 17:20.17 | uid1 | Nice. Turns out one can hold tighter to power and get more of it keeping voters stupid and voting on emotions (sadly). |
| 17:20.27 | hyper_ch | next one is coming up in june with 5 federal things and 1 state issue |
| 17:21.15 | hyper_ch | uid1: the federal issues https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/documentation/votes.html |
| 17:21.25 | ShalokShalom | you are a swiss by birth? |
| 17:22.10 | hyper_ch | yes |
| 17:22.30 | hyper_ch | uid1: you get even a short short summary in english on what the issues are about |
| 17:23.35 | ShalokShalom | bb |
| 17:25.31 | hyper_ch | uid1: as you can see, it's 3 initiatives and 2 referendums this time |
| 17:25.51 | hyper_ch | the unconditional basic income is very interesting.... but I don't think it would work in practice |
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| 17:27.57 | uid1 | I'm looking at that page - it's interesting. Great photo of the currency in an open wallet too. |
| 17:28.55 | hyper_ch | I like the idea of an unconditional basic income but I just don't think it's feasable |
| 17:29.08 | hyper_ch | thinking of a future where most tasks can be done by computers |
| 17:29.22 | hyper_ch | people don't have to "work" anymore since goods will be produced anyway |
| 17:29.34 | hyper_ch | the time isn't ready yet for that IMHO |
| 17:29.36 | uid1 | That's when it'll be needed most. Tax the owners of the machinery I suppose. |
| 17:29.48 | hyper_ch | why do we have money? |
| 17:29.53 | hyper_ch | because you want to survive |
| 17:30.00 | hyper_ch | so you have to gather food and shelter somehow |
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| 17:30.08 | hyper_ch | but everyone doing the same isn't economical |
| 17:30.39 | hyper_ch | hence you specialize in things and money acts as common denominator for trading "time spent" for an item |
| 17:30.41 | uid1 | Check out CGP Grey's "Humans need not apply" video on YouTube for a thoughtful if disturbing look at the trends for automation. If so-called white collar workers are feeling safe from automation - think again. IBM Watson is coming for them too. |
| 17:30.53 | hyper_ch | but once you take out the necessity of actually a majority needing to do work |
| 17:31.05 | hyper_ch | then you don't actually need money anymore |
| 17:32.15 | uid1 | Still need rent, food, disposable items, and other stuff that wears out over time. And everyone owning a makerbot isn't particularly realistic. So stuff will need to be bought, but fewer and fewer will be involved in manufacturing etc. |
| 17:32.45 | uid1 | Really, check out "Humans need not apply" - a brilliant and fairly short video. |
| 17:32.45 | hyper_ch | if you can have all manufacturering produced by robots |
| 17:32.55 | hyper_ch | the things are available for free |
| 17:33.00 | hyper_ch | watching it now |
| 17:33.19 | uid1 | Those that own the robots aren't going to give stuff away. Nope. Cars have been mostly built by robots for a long time. Costs haven't really dropped. |
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| 17:42.24 | Clifspeare | Umm, is there a known issue with QTDesigner (for qt5) on KDE? |
| 17:42.44 | Clifspeare | on startup, it startes yelling about marble plugins and unknown datatypes, then it crashes. |
| 17:47.23 | thiago | Clifspeare: no, it's not known |
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| 17:52.37 | hyper_ch | uid1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggN8wCWSIx4 |
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| 17:58.48 | ShalokShalom | Clifspeare: #qt |
| 17:59.55 | uid1 | hyper_ch: He acknowledges the problem but bases his response on "I hope..." "I like to think..." etc. He mentions horses, says they're "not obsolete" -- um, yes, yes they are. Our cities were full of them at one point, there are virtually none now. He does recognize there are far, far fewer with better lives - true. And that translates to human depopulation... how? "Exciting but very, very scary" is pretty accurate. |
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| 19:47.24 | david89 | Hello. Does anyone use pidgin with kde? |
| 19:48.20 | ShalokShalom | #pidgin |
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| 19:48.47 | david89 | ShalokShalom: I was more interested in the kde side of the situation |
| 19:48.54 | david89 | but I will go ask there also, thanks |
| 19:49.05 | david89 | basically IWas looking for notifications of any sort |
| 19:49.09 | ShalokShalom | i guess/hope there are KDE users as well |
| 19:49.14 | ShalokShalom | ah, ok |
| 19:49.20 | ShalokShalom | sorry, i use telepathy here |
| 19:49.55 | BlaXpirit | david89, plasma version |
| 19:49.57 | david89 | ShalokShalom: does it have otr? |
| 19:50.03 | ShalokShalom | yep |
| 19:50.07 | ShalokShalom | since 4 years |
| 19:50.35 | david89 | BlaXpirit: 5.6.3 |
| 19:50.58 | david89 | when I installed kde the other day I tried setting it up but the add account dialog was messed up |
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| 19:55.25 | david89 | like this, any ideas? http://imgur.com/Cdi9ZTT |
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| 20:56.36 | dddh | is it possible to syncrhronize pdf ebooks reading progress in okular? |
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| 22:19.13 | patrick7 | Hi ! Someone knows if QT or KDE have a rich text library ? |
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| 23:10.18 | BlaXpirit | patrick7, ... probably like 5 different ones |
| 23:10.25 | BlaXpirit | especially if you consider html rich text |
| 23:10.53 | patrick7 | BlaXpirit: oh cool ! I need one to use with QLabel |
| 23:10.59 | patrick7 | BlaXpirit: Can you sugest one ? |
| 23:11.28 | BlaXpirit | there's webkit, there's the new webengine, there is qtextbrowser, qtextedit |
| 23:11.46 | BlaXpirit | patrick7, if you want to display rich text, QLabel can display some subset of HTML |
| 23:12.03 | BlaXpirit | otherwise it should be a (possibly read-only) QTextEdit |
| 23:12.36 | BlaXpirit | if it's html then the options are countless, though QTextBrowser is the most lightweight and the most limited one. |
| 23:12.54 | patrick7 | BlaXpirit: Yes, but the idea is to use a library to help me create the HTML to put in QLabel |
| 23:13.07 | BlaXpirit | oh... now we're talking |
| 23:13.36 | BlaXpirit | patrick7, put a QTextEdit and call doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtextedit.html#html-prop to save it |
| 23:16.23 | patrick7 | BlaXpirit: "QTextEdit is an advanced WYSIWYG viewer/editor" |
| 23:16.31 | patrick7 | Exist a tool to that ? |
| 23:16.49 | patrick7 | WYSIWYG to me is something like QT Designer |
| 23:19.41 | BlaXpirit | patrick7, it's a text editor, as you might be able to tell from the name |
| 23:20.43 | patrick7 | BlaXpirit: But I will need to use HTML ? |
| 23:20.54 | BlaXpirit | QTextDocument and related APIs allow you to create a document by calling some functions, setting styles and whatnot |
| 23:21.05 | patrick7 | oh, cool |
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| 23:21.10 | BlaXpirit | HTML is only one of the options for export |
| 23:21.12 | patrick7 | I will take a loog |
| 23:21.15 | patrick7 | thks |
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| 23:29.57 | thiago | patrick7: also, the #kde-devel or #qt channels would be better for this discussion |
| 23:30.10 | patrick7 | thiago: ty |
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