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| 19:04.02 | Wojtulas | Hi |
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| 19:04.18 | Wojtulas | My middle mouse button stopped working in kde4 |
| 19:04.22 | Wojtulas | Why? |
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| 19:13.07 | axc1298 | i don't know |
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| 19:14.13 | msev-1 | how is it with this new plasma 5.6, does it consume less RAM and less CPU. Does anyone have some numbers? Please also describe your computer |
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| 19:14.58 | genstorm | msev-1: can't give you numbers but it runs perfectly well on my thinkpad x200s |
| 19:15.11 | genstorm | which some people would describe as dawg old |
| 19:15.37 | msev-1 | how much RAM do you have inside that machine |
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| 19:15.54 | genstorm | the maximum of 8gb |
| 19:16.26 | denise_ | Hi folks, using Opensuse 13.2/Kde 4.14 The taskbar at the bottom of the screen. I want to change it's appearance. I found several bitmap images on kdelook.org but cannot locate any instructions. How do I change the appearance of my Kicker background?? No place within configure desktop is there any mention of it. Thanks. |
| 19:16.35 | msev-1 | genstorm, well thats a lot |
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| 19:16.40 | msev-1 | I have just 2gb on my laptop |
| 19:16.49 | msev-1 | a bit worried kde will take too much :D |
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| 19:16.57 | msev-1 | so I won't be able to go browser tab crazy :D |
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| 19:19.15 | genstorm | msev-1: that amount wasn't unreasonable 7 years ago, just goes to show how pathetic some machines on the market are today |
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| 19:19.35 | msev-1 | well my workstation is great |
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| 19:19.49 | msev-1 | yeah its I think 9 years old that laptop lol |
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| 19:20.45 | genstorm | anyway, plasma-5: very snappy |
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| 19:21.26 | msev-1 | cool |
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| 19:33.29 | denise_ | Hi folks, using Opensuse 13.2/Kde 4.14 The taskbar at the bottom of the screen. I want to change it's appearance. I found several bitmap images on kdelook.org but cannot locate any instructions. How do I change the appearance of my Kicker background?? No place within configure desktop is there any mention of it. Thanks. |
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| 20:17.23 | Aloysious_ | Greeting fellow aliens |
| 20:19.19 | mike-zal | welcome Aloysious_ |
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| 20:24.36 | Aloysious_ | draught |
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| 20:27.46 | Aloysious_2 | Does anyone have any hot tips on how I might find a listing of so called "branch-groups"? |
| 20:28.06 | Aloysious_2 | from the git repo |
| 20:30.12 | Aloysious_2 | for example... I think trunk is "kf5-qt5" for kde5_dev .... is there such a thing for kde5_5 or 5_4 etc? |
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| 20:35.08 | tosky | Aloysious: where? |
| 20:35.31 | mike-zal | not sure if that's what you think about but when you check octopi and look on the right, there is a list of groups that contains certain packages |
| 20:38.36 | Aloysious_2 | Hmm. maybe I don't understand the mentality behind kdesrc-build "branch group". I guess what I'd like is to build an older version (not trunk) without tagging every.single.package with a branch flag |
| 20:39.14 | Aloysious_2 | I guess I was reading the usage notes and they described it as a "global branch flag" ... but it doesnt seem that at all? |
| 20:39.17 | mike-zal | I never heard of such version groupping. |
| 20:40.07 | Aloysious_2 | mike-zal: I guess I was expecting a global "5.5" or "5.4" as most package repos have such branches |
| 20:40.39 | Aloysious_2 | and I'd really like to avoid adding 122 branch: 5.5 statements into kdesrc-build |
| 20:41.23 | mike-zal | as far I know, most packages should suit to all lde 5 so there is no 5.4. or 5.5 repos. if there are problems with version, there are problems with certain dependecies, rarely with versions |
| 20:42.36 | mike-zal | the issue might be installing some git versions. |
| 20:42.37 | Aloysious_2 | hmm interesting. What might you suggest if I'd like to build stable KDE release (eg 5.5) for my distro? It's not currently available |
| 20:42.58 | Aloysious_2 | (considering I have build 5.21 or whatever is currently trunk) |
| 20:43.25 | mike-zal | look for package list of any distro that already runs 5.5, like manjaro which has 5.5.5 currently |
| 20:43.56 | Aloysious_2 | yes, I know those exist |
| 20:44.13 | mike-zal | note that not all packages are required. in fact, I advice doing rather minimal install, because in my experience it works better (stable) while full release has some issues. |
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| 20:44.49 | TheRealJohnGalt | Hello, how can I disable titlebars per-application? |
| 20:45.03 | mike-zal | I can show you the package list I used for my install. |
| 20:45.10 | Aloysious_2 | but as mentioned previously, i'd like to avoid digging through lists and creating 122 "pacage=kded5 branch=X.X" clauses in the build script |
| 20:45.17 | genstorm | TheRealJohnGalt: special window/applications settings (right click on title bar) |
| 20:45.22 | Aloysious_2 | do you do it by-package? |
| 20:45.48 | Aloysious_2 | mike-zal : sure - paste me a link |
| 20:45.54 | genstorm | mike-zal: the package list of your distro not necessarily correlates to upstream tarballs |
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| 20:46.19 | genstorm | I know mine doesn't |
| 20:46.31 | mike-zal | TheRealJohnGalt: if you click right icon on title bar and chose more window action, there should be some tab where you can disable titlebar. however I'm not sure how you can change it back... since you no longer will have access to that window advanced settings. there has to be some way but I don't know it |
| 20:46.48 | genstorm | they're all accessible from systemsettings... |
| 20:47.11 | tosky | Aloysious: you can't choose specific versions in kdesrc-build; for each repository, it is configured to track at trunk repository and a stable one for Frameworks, and trunk and stable for kdelibs4 |
| 20:47.17 | tosky | Aloysious_2: ^^ |
| 20:47.29 | mike-zal | genstorm: true. but that's just to show what works for me. it's an experiment. I avoided some packages and then I discoverd I miss some DE element so I installed them later and now I have all I need. |
| 20:47.34 | TheRealJohnGalt | aha, ty genstorm and mike-zal. Somehow I missed it. |
| 20:47.50 | tosky | Aloysious_2: not all packages have all 4 branches enabled - and as others pointed out, you don't need everything just for the last Plasma |
| 20:48.09 | mike-zal | Aloysious_2: what distro are you running anyway? |
| 20:48.33 | TheRealJohnGalt | I don't care about titlebars, I just move with alt and keyboard hotkeys. Plus stuff with gtk3 headerbars have two titlebars. |
| 20:49.13 | Aloysious_2 | mike-zal: centos baby |
| 20:49.23 | mike-zal | TheRealJohnGalt: you may check kwin windo settings and disable titlebars globally |
| 20:49.49 | mike-zal | windo=window* |
| 20:50.28 | TheRealJohnGalt | Done, edited kwinrc. Ty :) |
| 20:51.10 | Aloysious_2 | yeesh kde4 is already 8 years? |
| 20:51.33 | TheRealJohnGalt | Okay, one other question: How can I get the same cursor in gtk3 windows as in qt windows/desktop? |
| 20:52.31 | mike-zal | Aloysious_2: the absolute minimum base for kde5 is "plasma-deskto" metapackage. but if you run kde4, you need to get rid of some packages to make plasma 5 work. |
| 20:53.05 | Aloysious_2 | I don't have kde4 - I just build trunk (5.21) and run that |
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| 20:53.15 | TheRealJohnGalt | Oh, I think the only plasma instance that's launching is wayland (launching from GDM, and only one of the "Plasma" options started), so that's probably the problem with cursor :/. |
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| 20:54.15 | mike-zal | Aloysious_2: here is list of my packages: http://hastebin.com/ubogimehof.hs |
| 20:54.17 | TheRealJohnGalt | nvm, not wayland. OpenGL output with mpv is just super bugged and slow :( |
| 20:54.47 | mike-zal | Aloysious_2: note that the package far on the left is the main one, the group more on the right is what is installed by dependencies |
| 20:55.05 | Aloysious_2 | gotcha |
| 20:55.17 | Aloysious_2 | what does khelpcenter do? It's one of the package I can't manage to build |
| 20:55.43 | mike-zal | without it you won't be able to access help info |
| 20:55.51 | mike-zal | but plasma will work |
| 20:56.03 | rdieter | Aloysious_2: when you follow app's menu Help-> ...foo... Handbook , it opens khelpcenter to display it |
| 20:56.13 | TheRealJohnGalt | I'm on plasma 5.6 and latest framework with the kde overlay on gentoo. If anyone has thoughts on fixing bugged and slow opengl-hq mpv playback, please let me know. No titlebar on mpv window (with titlebars enabled), and a portion of the video's missing. |
| 20:56.19 | Aloysious_2 | ah. so dead weight i'm happy to live without |
| 20:56.42 | Aloysious_2 | :P |
| 20:57.40 | axc1298 | anyone know if it's possible to use the mousewheel to zoom in/out in gwenview? |
| 20:57.58 | axc1298 | that's the normal behavior on most other image viewers, but scrolling has no effect in gwenview |
| 20:58.19 | genstorm | axc1298: yes, usually you press ctrl while doing it |
| 20:59.00 | mike-zal | Aloysious_2: akonadi is the dead weight in kde. it's not needed, so if you install it accidentally, it's safe to remove along with all packages, unless you are using some of its programs |
| 20:59.18 | genstorm | mike-zal: it's not if you use pim |
| 20:59.21 | Aloysious_2 | mike-zal okee dokee can-do |
| 20:59.25 | axc1298 | genstorm: i'm lazy, that's extra work |
| 20:59.26 | axc1298 | lol |
| 20:59.38 | genstorm | axc1298: well that's how it works everywhere |
| 20:59.42 | mike-zal | genstorm: that is why I said "unless you use.." |
| 20:59.59 | axc1298 | not in other DE image views, like gnome, mate, |
| 21:00.24 | genstorm | axc1298: so not in image viewers with gnome origin |
| 21:00.28 | axc1298 | also the zoom level is too much, i wish it didn't zoom so far in at once |
| 21:00.29 | Aloysious_2 | hmm is akondai's PIM tied to kerberos? |
| 21:01.17 | mike-zal | anyway, that package list creates for me a very stable and reliable plasma 5 expeirence which I'm happy with. full kde release was buggy as hell. |
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| 21:01.59 | Aloysious_2 | mike-zal thanks. you build these from trunk or are these what you picked from stable package manager releases? |
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| 21:03.42 | mike-zal | Aloysious_2: I'm not fully comprehending what's trunk in that case. I just installed the main packages from my distro's repo, smaller ones followed automatically by dependencies. I'm not sure how it all work in redhat distros. manjaro is arch based. |
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| 21:05.40 | mike-zal | if you don't have the packages in your repos, I have no idea what must be done to install them in cent os. in ubuntu you add new repos. in arch based systems you mostly look in aur if you won't find in main repo. in rare cases you need to build package yourself from source. |
| 21:06.38 | Aloysious_2 | mike-zal: Its like any other software that someone hasn't make an image of :D download source, compile, link, run :D |
| 21:07.17 | Aloysious_2 | mike-zal: maybe now you understand why im asking about git branches... there is no repo package for me |
| 21:07.23 | mike-zal | ah ok then :) |
| 21:08.29 | mike-zal | right. cent os should be stable and not experimental, hence the lack of plasma 5. on arch kde 4 doesn't exist anymore... |
| 21:09.39 | Aloysious_2 | well to me its a bit strange - as many rpms are also available for it's less stable brother: fedora |
| 21:10.22 | mike-zal | Aloysious_2: I would recommend at least to install 5.4 - that version introduced many changes. didn't even notice what's changed in 5.5 ;p |
| 21:10.23 | genstorm | I may have said it before, but CentOS just *might* be the wrong distro for an up-to-date DE |
| 21:10.53 | TheRealJohnGalt | One other question beyond my mpv bugs question: How can I make alt-tab global across virtual desktops? |
| 21:11.06 | mike-zal | there's always fedora if someone likes to stay close to the family tree ;P |
| 21:11.21 | Aloysious_2 | mike-zal if you could tell me how to branch in kde to the "stable 5.4" I would like to try it :D |
| 21:12.00 | Aloysious_2 | genstrom: I agree, however work is tied to this release. It's actually worse: scientific linux |
| 21:12.42 | mike-zal | sorry, I'm newbie myself. using linux almost a year, kde since few months... so I don't have an answer. |
| 21:12.48 | Aloysious_2 | genstrom: but compiling trunk works very nicely |
| 21:13.54 | genstorm | but obviously you go through a lot of pain |
| 21:14.52 | Aloysious_2 | genstrom: actually... not much. qt5.6 and cmake3.5 are supported... so it basically compiles out of the box |
| 21:15.49 | genstorm | Aloysious_2: that's two things you don't even need |
| 21:15.52 | Aloysious_2 | the only things that don't work for me out of the box are phonon-vlc, khelpcenter and kaccount-mobile |
| 21:16.11 | Aloysious_2 | oh? you can build kde without qt and cmake? |
| 21:16.21 | genstorm | qt-5.5 and cmake-2.8.12 are fine |
| 21:16.37 | Aloysious_2 | we didnt have _either_ of those as of a year ago on cent |
| 21:17.06 | Aloysious_2 | the big problem was cmake sitting at 2.8.11 for ever |
| 21:18.36 | TheRealJohnGalt | You might be able to build with some older versions of dependencies if you remove the check or force it. CentOS backports a lot to their older versions with a lot of packages, and dependency checks don't take that into account. |
| 21:20.14 | genstorm | which really begs the question why they wouldn't just bump to next minor version |
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| 21:52.46 | siron | Hi. How do you quit your login session from console |
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| 21:54.55 | Aloysious_2 | siron: exit |
| 21:55.20 | siron | gui login session |
| 21:56.17 | Aloysious_2 | pkill -KILL -u yourusernamehere |
| 21:56.23 | siron | Cause right now my entire plasma session is not responding to mouse/keyboard input. The only thing that works is key combo to go into virtual console and moving around mouse pointer |
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| 21:57.19 | siron | Weird..been getting this problem every now and then |
| 21:57.35 | siron | Aloysious_2, what do you think the problem is? |
| 21:57.45 | siron | cause of the problem* |
| 21:57.56 | Aloysious_2 | well... have you looked at your logs? |
| 21:58.05 | siron | which logs |
| 21:58.08 | Aloysious_2 | I know nothing about you or your system |
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| 21:59.33 | Aloysious_2 | better yet - when system is locked up what does top say? is something leaking? |
| 22:00.21 | Aloysious_2 | is your system locked up or is your graphics card just being rude? |
| 22:06.37 | mike-zal | about graphic card... which one is better to use with kde? nvidia or ati? |
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| 22:07.13 | genstorm | AMD provides very good open source drivers |
| 22:09.36 | mike-zal | I heard lot of bad stuff about amd, hence I didn't mention it. ubuntu stopped supporting amd drivers out of the box since 16.04 |
| 22:10.02 | mike-zal | and that was because of the bad quality of those drivers. official ones are worse then free ones as I heard |
| 22:10.03 | genstorm | you mentioned ATI, which is AMD |
| 22:10.27 | genstorm | mike-zal: their open source driver IS official |
| 22:10.34 | genstorm | just like Intel's |
| 22:10.49 | mike-zal | ah, ok... it's been over 10 years since I was paying attention to graphic cards so I just mixed up names |
| 22:10.55 | mike-zal | been always using invidia |
| 22:12.04 | genstorm | mike-zal: removal of fglrx was due to AMD dropping that driver |
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| 22:12.34 | genstorm | they are moving to a common in-kernel driver, which has an optional proprietary userspace part |
| 22:13.01 | mike-zal | hmm... conflicting info... so maybe from another side. is nvidia ok with kde? I had some issues with the full kde release and some suggested they are tied with nvidia card. |
| 22:13.41 | genstorm | the size of your Plasma-5 installation will not influence driver problems |
| 22:14.20 | genstorm | but proprietary drivers are always the worst supported option |
| 22:15.06 | mike-zal | simple customizing of kde was a recipe for buggy kde with constant crashes. however the same theming, icons and settings with custom install works great so I'm not sure what to think. is it gpu related or at least some packages introduce problems with nvidia? common proble was kwin composition crashing. |
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| 22:16.28 | genstorm | there was most likely something else going on |
| 22:16.31 | mike-zal | frankly, didn't notice ANY DIFFERENCE using free and propertirary ones. not on kde, not in any other DE. the same issues. if I had tearing screen, it was on both drivers. editing some file fixed problem. |
| 22:18.01 | mike-zal | many people confirm having the same issue. even here when we talked. theming/customizing kde was risky so people were leaving default settings to avoid that. had that too, but now it all works well when I did my own install instead ready one. |
| 22:18.42 | genstorm | I have no idea to what extent you did your customizing |
| 22:19.11 | mike-zal | people tend to assign those issues to kde itself, but my current install showed that kde can be stable and predicateble with the same settings on the same maschine, on the same distro, just DE is installed differently. |
| 22:19.57 | mike-zal | genstorm: change of theme, change of icons. that was enough to make kde go hywire. |
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| 22:21.01 | genstorm | which means? |
| 22:21.17 | mike-zal | kwin was boring all the time and I got message "docky needs compositions". |
| 22:21.21 | genstorm | no |
| 22:21.26 | mike-zal | boring=borking* |
| 22:21.35 | genstorm | aha |
| 22:21.56 | genstorm | well this is unheard-of here |
| 22:22.38 | mike-zal | it was happeing from time to time, but then suddently it become sure within a minute after boot. so my kde instalation was unusable |
| 22:22.45 | genstorm | I didn't see anything beyond some issues that were caused by wrong install paths of certain breeze styles |
| 22:23.13 | genstorm | which wouldn't cause any runtime issues, anyway, just inconsistent theming |
| 22:23.40 | TheRealJohnGalt | Does anyone have troubleshooting ideas for my mpv issue? |
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| 22:23.54 | mike-zal | the weird thing was: installed system anew, was working again. change theme and icons, the same issue. installed anew, did the same, the same problem. so I ditech kde release, installed gnome release, used it for 3 weeks. then I missed kde, installed it manually and since then it was perfectly, in the same settings. |
| 22:24.07 | mike-zal | TheRealJohnGalt: no, I have no idea :( |
| 22:24.30 | genstorm | mike-zal: most likely, an issue was solved in those three weeks by your distro |
| 22:25.02 | genstorm | no connection can be made between size of Plasma-5 and stability... |
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| 22:25.13 | mike-zal | not likely. in yesterday's talk, people have this issue all the time. the whole DE behaves differently too. |
| 22:25.25 | genstorm | what talk? |
| 22:25.30 | TheRealJohnGalt | Damn :/. I like kde connect, but going back to gnome due to mpv issue. If anyone has ideas, please ping me. Even if they're just random troubleshooting ideas/shots in the dark. |
| 22:25.39 | genstorm | are you aware the reasons for issues are wildly different among setups? |
| 22:25.59 | mike-zal | for example, earlier, when changing settings, it applied it correctly one, max two times. then it didn't. plasma reload was needed. now it all works as it should. no suprises. |
| 22:26.35 | mike-zal | also, when system started, some things were loading correctly or not, randomly. plasmashell restart was the fix |
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| 22:27.03 | mike-zal | it was working like that since always. and people still complain about that. I don't. |
| 22:28.11 | mike-zal | TheRealJohnGalt: you can use kde connect in gnome. it works great there. |
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| 22:28.53 | mike-zal | you just need to know how to make it work there (need kde settings, add to autosart and install some additional package). |
| 22:29.03 | TheRealJohnGalt | I can attest to similar. In a fresh install, I had to do multiple plasmashell restarts when changing settings and themes. I'd get a new glitch for almost every new setting changed until a restart. |
| 22:29.12 | genstorm | mike-zal: it's like saying 'the weather is nice because I ate up this time' |
| 22:29.20 | mike-zal | indicator-kdeconnect |
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| 22:29.29 | TheRealJohnGalt | oh awesome, will try that :). I think I should already have everything installed. Probably just need to build kdeconnect with the app flag :) |
| 22:30.18 | TheRealJohnGalt | yeah, no kdeconnect-indicator in gentoo or kde overlay. app flag must be it :) |
| 22:30.49 | mike-zal | TheRealJohnGalt: the only downside was lack of icon in try area, but I got all notifications and it was all working well. |
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| 22:34.32 | mike-zal | genstorm: see? people do have those problems with kde installs. the weird thing is: it's random, unpredictable so you cannot replicate it at will, it's hard to file a bug so there is no real info on the net. it's enough to talk with people who claim kde to be unstable and they all say the same or similar things. theming makes kde go crazy. kdinit crashes, loading theming is random. those 3 things repeat. and all people who had that, have |
| 22:34.34 | mike-zal | nvidia card.. that is why I suspected nvidia issues genstorm |
| 22:34.39 | Finetundra | Hey folks, does anyone know if I can change the position of the task switcher(thing that comes up when alt+tabbing) in KDE 4 |
| 22:34.45 | Finetundra | ? |
| 22:35.36 | mike-zal | you mean the place where animation of switching windows is shown? |
| 22:36.01 | Finetundra | mike-zal: yeah |
| 22:36.13 | genstorm | mike-zal: I'm not disputing that, I'm just telling you that your conclusion about Plasma-5 packages choice is wrong ;) |
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| 22:37.21 | genstorm | and you need to realise that people come here with wildly differing version numbers, so some issue that has long been fixed for you and me can still be present in many release-based distributions |
| 22:37.32 | mike-zal | genstorm: it is possible. but that is what solved my problem. at least looks like it. and nvidia connection is supiscious. |
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| 22:38.16 | mike-zal | genstorm: yes, you might be right, but your guess is not more right then mine. |
| 22:38.37 | genstorm | mike-zal: I'm not making a guess |
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| 22:39.04 | mike-zal | "maybe your distro solved this issue in meantime" is a guess |
| 22:39.30 | genstorm | that's what ususally happens when an issue is resolved for you after 3 weeks, yes |
| 22:39.44 | genstorm | let's call it experienec |
| 22:40.44 | mike-zal | genstorm: I would believe you if there was a bug. but this set of issues was talked but somehow never been described on bug reports because of its random and complex nature. |
| 22:41.08 | genstorm | mike-zal: not everything that's solved has been accurately described in a bug |
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| 22:42.35 | mike-zal | well, if that was nvidia issue, there is a chance it was solved by new version of a driver, rather then by solving some bug. |
| 22:44.10 | genstorm | there actually was an nvidia issue |
| 22:44.11 | Finetundra | At the risk of being chewed out, does it really matter terribly much how it was solved so long as it was solved? |
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| 22:45.07 | genstorm | Finetundra: the only thing I'm disputing is whether choice of Plasma-5 packages has any influence ;) |
| 22:45.22 | mike-zal | genstorm: I searched the net for singular issues and couldn't find it. for example: composition borking out which resulted with docky message. no show anywere of that problem. this was mine specific problem. it was consitent through all normal installs. now sometimes it shows (very rarely) but system restars the process that caused it and it works. before system never restarted crashed or malfuntioning processes. now even if something |
| 22:45.24 | mike-zal | happens, it has no conseqences, system just works as usual after some short flickering. |
| 22:45.54 | SaveTheRobots | hi, has anyone had any luck getting plasma 5.6 wayland working with the new nvidia 364.12 drivers? |
| 22:45.56 | Finetundra | But the issue was fixed! Weather it was KDE 5's fault of Nvidia's shouldn't matter! |
| 22:46.12 | mike-zal | Finetundra: well, the issue is: what is the solution. was it the choice of the packages or just package update? |
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| 22:46.38 | Finetundra | sighs |
| 22:46.51 | mike-zal | so it would be good to know to advice others: install those packages/wait for the update |
| 22:47.20 | genstorm | mike-zal: you can't advise when you don't know the cause |
| 22:47.52 | mike-zal | exactly, that is my point |
| 22:48.30 | mike-zal | however I can say what I did. others may try out and check if that worked for them or not. |
| 22:49.28 | mike-zal | and most importantly, I can assure them, that kde can and do functions well, so their issues are not general kde problems as people like to see. |
| 22:50.24 | mike-zal | ok, maybe let's move to Finetundra, who has more current question |
| 22:50.47 | Finetundra | :) |
| 22:50.49 | genstorm | mike-zal: you were testing the state of a rolling release distro with several weeks in between, which is a lot of time for rolling release, and the second time just coincided with your different installation method |
| 22:51.16 | mike-zal | genstorm: that is possible. I can't rule that out. |
| 22:51.51 | mike-zal | anyway, I'm checking al-tab switcher settings |
| 22:53.46 | mike-zal | hmm.. there are lot of options but nothing about placing. Finetundra can you change the switcher for different one? maybe it will suit you better. |
| 22:54.02 | Finetundra | I didn't know I had choices |
| 22:54.20 | genstorm | yeah, my favourite is flip switch |
| 22:54.29 | mike-zal | sure, there are lot of different switchers (animations). you can also download more from the net. |
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| 22:55.27 | mike-zal | Finetundra: go to settings -> windows management-> task swiching (roughly translated from my language version, it may be named a bit differently for you) |
| 22:55.28 | Finetundra | mike-zal: any place you'd suggest me to start looking? |
| 22:56.17 | mike-zal | not sure what alternative does, but the main switcher works. |
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| 22:58.13 | Finetundra | mike-zal: right but you said that there were alternative task switchers cause you couldn't figure out how to position the current one |
| 22:58.27 | mike-zal | there are only 4 additional effects to download but I have 12 options available by default. it may be different for your distro. |
| 22:59.10 | mike-zal | no, there is a tab with main switcher and with alternative switcher as if there were situations where alternative kicks in. no idea where that happens. |
| 22:59.50 | mike-zal | on the main tab you can choose all available switchers or download those additional ones. also there are more settings there. |
| 23:00.28 | Finetundra | Ah, I see where you're looking |
| 23:00.35 | mike-zal | just play with the settings. I assume you found the right place? |
| 23:00.54 | mike-zal | ok, great. |
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| 23:02.30 | Finetundra | Took me a minute to see what I was looking for |
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| 23:02.51 | mike-zal | :) |
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| 23:06.23 | Finetundra | There doesn't seem to be many options though :( |
| 23:10.42 | mike-zal | there are over dozen places where you can choose something. that seems plenty, especially compating to other DEs that don't have anything close to that. |
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| 23:11.25 | mike-zal | I mean, on that swicher tab. but there are no option there were you can move the switcher. |
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| 23:13.42 | mike-zal | Finetundra: it looks for me like that: https://www.google.pl/search?q=changing+through+windows+kde+plasma+5+settings&num=100&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdk5Ws99fLAhUDaA8KHc8iDZYQ_AUIBygB&biw=1550&bih=805#imgrc=C0nnG2VMexHzDM%3A |
| 23:15.02 | Finetundra | I'm on KDE 4 though :( |
| 23:15.15 | Finetundra | I want it to look like that |
| 23:15.32 | Finetundra | But I don't see an option for that |
| 23:17.13 | mike-zal | oh, didn't ask for the kde version :( |
| 23:19.24 | Finetundra | I thought I said it earlier, didn't I? |
| 23:19.34 | genstorm | yes you did |
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| 23:22.44 | genstorm | Finetundra: you mean cover switch? that was available for kde4 as well |
| 23:22.55 | mike-zal | somehow I missed it. I tend to forget that people are still using kde4 and I'm on kde channel. in arch distros kde4 is no longer available and when people talk about kde is almost always about kde5. |
| 23:23.19 | Finetundra | genstorm: I meant the sidebar setting |
| 23:26.11 | genstorm | Finetundra: I haven't seen that in KDE4, it's a Breeze option |
| 23:26.28 | Finetundra | well I know that now |
| 23:26.35 | Finetundra | And am sad |
| 23:26.49 | genstorm | flip switch is more fancy anyway ;) |
| 23:27.03 | Finetundra | :) |
| 23:27.04 | mike-zal | yeah. I like other effect as well. |
| 23:28.19 | Finetundra | Yeah, I do admit that cover switch is pretty sweet |
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