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| 03:53.20 | yates | let me ask a very basic question: are "kde" and "kde-plasma" two different desktops? |
| 03:55.45 | yates | or let me ask this: is there a way to make kde-plasma (5) look and work like kde 4? |
| 03:56.36 | yates | you see, while everyone else may want a tablet-type desktop, i do not. i sit at home on my desktop computer with 64G of ram and a 24-inch display and i don't want to be forced into a table-style gui. |
| 03:57.13 | hagabaka | hmm it's pretty similar to kde 4 to me |
| 03:57.51 | hagabaka | which parts make you think it's only for tablets? |
| 03:57.57 | yates | how do i determine what kde version i am running? |
| 03:58.19 | yates | mine doesn't look at all like my previous kde |
| 03:58.27 | yates | not anywhere close. |
| 03:58.47 | yates | it has a panel, ok. |
| 03:58.59 | yates | (btw, i switched to desktop mode from folder view mode) |
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| 03:59.08 | hagabaka | you could probably use your package manager |
| 03:59.57 | hagabaka | to find out the kde version |
| 04:01.26 | hagabaka | also plasma is in kde4 too |
| 04:01.45 | yates | hagabaka: that last statement confuses me |
| 04:02.02 | yates | what other desktop is in kde4? |
| 04:02.18 | hagabaka | I mean [22:55:45] <yates> or let me ask this: is there a way to make kde-plasma (5) look and work like kde 4? |
| 04:02.34 | hagabaka | that doesn't make sense since kde-plasma was part of kde 4 already |
| 04:02.58 | yates | ok, well forget the names, perhaps i'm getting them wrong. |
| 04:03.25 | hagabaka | just what are you missing, if you have panels and folder view? |
| 04:03.40 | yates | several things |
| 04:03.58 | yates | hagabaka: 1) the inability to resize the icons on the desktop. they're these big ugly things |
| 04:04.43 | yates | 2) the old-style application menu |
| 04:05.19 | yates | 3) a more nicer looking cashew |
| 04:06.06 | yates | 4) the choice of a variety of task switchers. now the current one pops up an gross thing on a dynamic left panel |
| 04:06.32 | hagabaka | if you right click on the desktop, and click Folder View Settings, and then Icons, you can change icon sizes |
| 04:07.26 | yates | the old-style system menu icons for, e.g., network |
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| 04:07.38 | yates | instead of these black-and-white-ish things |
| 04:07.52 | yates | hagabaka: ok, got that - thank you |
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| 04:13.21 | yates | how about the menu ? |
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| 04:14.13 | yates | nm, i foudn that |
| 04:14.36 | hagabaka | yeah, I think a little tinkering will solve most of your complaints |
| 04:17.14 | hagabaka | not sure if I missed it while I was offline, but if you change the "workspace theme" to Oxygen in system settings, the panel should look closer to KDE 4 |
| 04:22.35 | hagabaka | personally I almost never see the desktop, and just have windows maximized. Laptop screen isn't very big |
| 04:23.55 | excalibr | When you directly open image link in konsole, which plasma component does the downloading? |
| 04:28.21 | hagabaka | I assume KIO |
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| 04:38.33 | excalibr | it seems to only work with gwenview |
| 04:40.24 | excalibr | It's neat feature but alas it doesnt work when you assign the image format to other image viewer |
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| 05:44.00 | yates | what is the purpose of the little white round circle that shows up on the desktop icons when you hover the mouse over them? |
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| 05:48.46 | hagabaka | yates: for selecting, since clicking on the other parts of the icon activates it instead |
| 05:49.36 | hagabaka | maybe you don't get them if you set icons to activate on double-click only, but I haven't tried |
| 05:51.56 | yates | aha. |
| 05:53.05 | yates | also, it looks like the new kde created several .lnk files from some of the ~/Desktop/*.desktop files - what are those about? |
| 05:54.19 | yates | or maybe they were there before and i didn't notice. |
| 05:54.31 | hagabaka | .lnk files? They are probably from wine |
| 05:55.04 | yates | again, you are correct, hagabaka |
| 05:55.06 | hagabaka | or windows if you dual boot. I've never seen KDE creating them anyway |
| 05:56.25 | yates | where does kde store the wallpapger images that it displays for selection in the folder view settings? |
| 05:57.25 | RyanMcCoskrie | yates: /usr/share/wallpapers and ~/.kde/share/wallpapers |
| 06:07.19 | yates | RyanMcCoskrie: thanks. there are a bunch of files in ~/.kde/share/wallpapers that aren't showing up - wonder why |
| 06:07.48 | yates | .jpg |
| 06:11.48 | yates | also, i lost all my keyboard configurations/shortcuts when i upgraded - is there an easy way to get them back? |
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| 06:17.05 | rustPushmaster | hi guys |
| 06:17.20 | rustPushmaster | I used to have two desktops i can switch over using windows key + tab |
| 06:17.25 | rustPushmaster | now one is deleted |
| 06:17.28 | rustPushmaster | any idea what happened? |
| 06:26.44 | hagabaka | Alt-F2, and search for "virtual desktop" |
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| 06:27.37 | hagabaka | and check that you still have 2 of them set up, and Win + Tab is still registered in the shortcuts |
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| 07:34.17 | ravior | kicker? |
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| 11:03.12 | kayou | hello |
| 11:05.20 | kayou | I've a problem with akonadi (kf5) after an update of arch , akonadi says "Unable to initialize database" , and when I look to mysql.err I have "InnoDB: Error: Table "mysql"."innodb_table_stats" not found." |
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| 11:05.37 | kayou | do you have an idea about that ? |
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| 11:05.56 | Tazmain | ah man this is funny, if I have dolphin open and open gparted plasma crashes |
| 11:06.42 | redeyedman | Tazmain: KF5? |
| 11:06.50 | Tazmain | yeah |
| 11:07.14 | redeyedman | it is still bleeding edge |
| 11:07.27 | Tazmain | well it didn't use to do this :p |
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| 11:08.22 | redeyedman | hmm |
| 11:09.03 | Tazmain | I still need to fgiure out how to get dolphin on kf5 to dislay preview icons for video files again |
| 11:09.22 | genstorm | Tazmain: you need the thumbnailer packages |
| 11:09.30 | genstorm | what dolphin version do you have? |
| 11:09.32 | Tazmain | genstorm, I have them all installed |
| 11:09.34 | redeyedman | I wonder how can I move from sqlite to external mysql for akonadi |
| 11:09.47 | redeyedman | with transfering the data |
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| 11:10.02 | Tazmain | genstorm, dolphin 15.12.0 |
| 11:10.03 | genstorm | Tazmain: the correct versions as well? because you'll need kf5-based thumbnailers |
| 11:10.28 | genstorm | ok that's good, have you actually activated preview mode? |
| 11:10.31 | Tazmain | yeah. Seems its on the arch packages and kaosx. Although I am still tesing the kaosx ones |
| 11:10.40 | Tazmain | I have that is where is it failing |
| 11:10.57 | genstorm | what video thumbnailer package do they use? |
| 11:11.30 | Tazmain | -_- oh right, I forgot currently this dolphin version crashes if you go to configure dolphin |
| 11:11.34 | genstorm | Tazmain: video previous are enabled in settings? |
| 11:11.52 | genstorm | hmm not her |
| 11:11.52 | Tazmain | genstorm, would tell you if I could get to settings |
| 11:12.05 | Tazmain | crashes for me on arch linux and kaosx |
| 11:12.20 | genstorm | do you get a backtrace? |
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| 11:12.57 | Tazmain | hey it worked IO got to settings |
| 11:13.43 | Tazmain | okay since it didn't crash I managed to get to enable it properly |
| 11:14.02 | Tazmain | genstorm, you on plasma ? |
| 11:14.05 | genstorm | of course |
| 11:14.35 | Tazmain | you know the copy progress we have in the system tray notifications ? |
| 11:14.40 | genstorm | yes |
| 11:15.19 | Tazmain | you know that if you turn off the track file transfers in notifications its suppose to fall back to a pop up dailog window to show the progress ? |
| 11:15.23 | Tazmain | Does that work for you ? |
| 11:15.39 | Tazmain | I logged a bug but no-one seems to care. And this was the behaviour in kde4 |
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| 11:16.16 | genstorm | hmm |
| 11:17.49 | genstorm | now where do I find a big enough file |
| 11:18.34 | genstorm | these ssds have just removed the need for such popups ;) |
| 11:18.55 | Tazmain | true but I move games and movies around. and tons of series at times |
| 11:19.08 | genstorm | no popup for me |
| 11:19.15 | Tazmain | genstorm, so it is broke |
| 11:19.32 | genstorm | looks like it |
| 11:19.34 | Tazmain | and its annoying since now you don't seen any progress of the file transfer |
| 11:19.53 | genstorm | yeah, unless you look at the size column in dolphin |
| 11:20.17 | Tazmain | This issue isn't as bad. I use to freeze the system or notifications when I was moving a lot of files around between different drives. |
| 11:23.16 | Tazmain | I think it started freezing when I moving like 40gb between 6 drives. So 40gb from drive a to b, 40 from c to d and 40 from e to f |
| 11:23.34 | genstorm | it probably shouldn't do that |
| 11:23.47 | Tazmain | hahaha probably not :p |
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| 11:28.51 | Tazmain | sometimes its hard to get a bug looked at,most poeple seem to sue latpops |
| 11:28.54 | Tazmain | laptops * |
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| 11:33.41 | genstorm | not sure what it's got to do with laptops |
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| 11:34.46 | Tazmain | laptops have one drive and one screen. At most 2 |
| 11:34.53 | Tazmain | usually one to two drives |
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| 11:35.16 | Tazmain | not like 3 screens 6 disks. |
| 11:35.40 | genstorm | you don't need that to experiencing freezing |
| 11:35.45 | genstorm | -ing |
| 11:36.11 | genstorm | cheap laptops typically have slow I/O |
| 11:36.14 | Tazmain | true. But sometimes the bug only accors on big setups |
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| 11:45.17 | Tazmain | like currently when you have 3 screen and duplicate 2 one if the duplicated 2 the image is displayed at an offset. Only when using the plasma settings, when using the nvidia control panel its fine. |
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| 11:55.46 | kayou | re |
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| 12:07.03 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 12:08.12 | schoppenhauer | hi. since yesterday, kde plasma freezes when the screen locks. kdeplasma crashed the last time I suspended to ram, and since then. maybe I can reset the configuration of the screen locker (or kde at all). how would I do that? |
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| 12:08.36 | schoppenhauer | (I do not want to lose my wifi passwords in network-manager) |
| 12:08.57 | guarao | #kde |
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| 12:09.53 | schoppenhauer | hm? |
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| 12:15.49 | schoppenhauer | ok, kscreensaverrc |
| 12:15.53 | schoppenhauer | *deleted it* |
| 12:15.56 | schoppenhauer | works again. |
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| 12:19.54 | kayou | for my user akonadi doesn't start because of mysql errors, for a new user it's ok don't have any problem, So I may reset my user but I don"t want to lose datas stored in akonadi |
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| 12:20.37 | schoppenhauer | hm. just a constructive suggestion: it would be nice if all kde-configuration would be in the same directory, not cluttered around .config, .kde, .kde4, ... |
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| 12:21.07 | lordievader | schoppenhauer: All plasma5 config should be in ~/.config |
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| 12:22.25 | genstorm | schoppenhauer: you can only have either .kde or .kde4, one of them must be unused/outdated for a long time already, and the other is only used by legacy applications |
| 12:23.55 | schoppenhauer | ok |
| 12:24.00 | schoppenhauer | thx |
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| 13:17.56 | iankebol | hello, I use xfce and I've installed kwin, for compoziting effects. it's better than compiz, but I cannot change the mouse theme. How can I change them? I have no input devices in systemsettings. Is there any other way to change it? or does anyone know the modul name of this? |
| 13:18.28 | iankebol | I see the basic cursor theme, but when I click with the right mouse button it changes to X |
| 13:18.37 | iankebol | which is a little bit annoying |
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| 13:55.15 | rindolf | iankebol: hi, sup? |
| 13:55.23 | rindolf | iankebol: what is your distribution? |
| 13:55.30 | iankebol | rindolf: hi |
| 13:55.32 | iankebol | rindolf: arch |
| 13:55.42 | rindolf | iankebol: ah. |
| 13:55.55 | rindolf | iankebol: did you install all the KDE-related packages? |
| 13:56.40 | iankebol | no, I don't need all of them, it works fine except the mouse. I've installed kwin ,plasma-workspace and systemsettings |
| 13:56.55 | iankebol | I'd only need the mouse part |
| 13:57.12 | iankebol | or if we could change the theme via terminal that would do |
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| 13:58.07 | wodim | hello |
| 13:58.12 | wodim | is Breeze a fork of the Oxygen codebase? |
| 13:58.28 | iankebol | https://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Input_Devices that's what I'm missing rindolf |
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| 13:58.57 | rindolf | iankebol: ok, it could be in a missing package. |
| 14:01.39 | iankebol | rindolf: yes, but how could I find out which one is that? |
| 14:01.59 | iankebol | rindolf: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=plasma&maintainer=&last_update=&flagged=&limit=50 |
| 14:02.21 | iankebol | what could be if it's not plasma |
| 14:02.24 | iankebol | ? |
| 14:02.27 | iankebol | kde? |
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| 14:08.25 | rindolf | iankebol: you can try installing everything else and gradually trimming it down. |
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| 14:18.19 | iankebol | rindolf: i'll try it on a virtual machine |
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| 14:23.27 | rindolf | iankebol: ok. |
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| 14:25.50 | Graf_Westerholt | Who do I get âThe signature file is not validâ when setting a text signature file in KMail? |
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| 14:30.57 | rindolf | Graf_Westerholt: hi. |
| 14:31.12 | Graf_Westerholt | Hi rindolf |
| 14:32.15 | thiago | Graf_Westerholt: what did you do to that email after you signed it? |
| 14:32.58 | Graf_Westerholt | thiago, I did not sign it. I want to have a signature from a text file at the end of the e-mail. No crypto signing. |
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| 14:34.08 | thiago | Graf_Westerholt: sorry, you said "I want to have a signature" and "no signing" |
| 14:34.14 | thiago | Graf_Westerholt: please choose: sign or not |
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| 14:36.11 | Graf_Westerholt | thiago, to sign an e-mail for me is to sign it e.g. with GPG. I want to append a text from a text file, set in the register âsignatureâ in the identity settings. I cannot set a text file there. |
| 14:36.25 | thiago | oh, I see |
| 14:36.26 | thiago | sorry |
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| 14:48.24 | DEA7TH | Just plugged in my second monitor and xrandr says it's "disconnected" and it isn't used by KDE. Can I connect it without rebooting? |
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| 14:49.04 | Graf_Westerholt | DEA7TH, what plug did you use? VGA? HDMI? |
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| 14:50.24 | DEA7TH | Graf_Westerholt: HDMI |
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| 14:52.47 | Graf_Westerholt | DEA7TH, I do not know. It should work without reboot. :D |
| 14:55.05 | DEA7TH | also replug didn't work |
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| 15:20.00 | ijwyn | hey guys, I'm noticing that *some* windows tend to open on all activities by default, for some reason |
| 15:20.18 | ijwyn | the third post in this thread is suggesting it's because the windows are not decorated by kwin: |
| 15:20.19 | ijwyn | https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=110665 |
| 15:20.45 | ijwyn | while this is true in most cases (gimp dialogs, for instance) I have my doubts as I'm also noticing the same behavior on some internal KDE windows |
| 15:21.04 | ijwyn | like the dialog for "special window settings" |
| 15:21.45 | ijwyn | in any case, I tried changing the behavior through that same "special window settings", but I see I can only set windows to open either in all activities by default or only in one specific activity |
| 15:22.11 | ijwyn | this is not great, though, as ideally there should be an option around the lines of "current activity" only |
| 15:22.40 | ijwyn | for instance, I'm running into this issue with OpenOffice, where the main window works fine, but some dialogs end up on every activity... |
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| 15:23.18 | ijwyn | and whil most of the time I'll work with OO in a given activity, there are cases where I might open a file in a different one, but if its dialogs are linked to adifferent activity, well, you see where I'm going with this ;-) |
| 15:23.26 | ijwyn | anyone know of another solution for this? |
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| 16:47.21 | icwiener | Hi, I have 3 imap accounts set up in KMail2 but the credentials of only 2 of them are handled by KWallet. Can anyone tell me, where the remaining account's creds are stored? |
| 16:48.44 | icwiener | Unfortunately google searches only gave me people compleining about KWallet always asking for password or not storing passwords. |
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| 16:57.27 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: you looked via kwallet manager for entries? |
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| 17:12.32 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: Yes. Only two of the accounts are listed there. |
| 17:13.21 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: how is the third account diff than the other two? |
| 17:13.39 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: In no way I could think of. |
| 17:13.53 | icwiener | All IMAP. |
| 17:14.08 | Two_Dogs | something is special about the third |
| 17:14.37 | icwiener | I set it up a few months after the first two. |
| 17:15.01 | Two_Dogs | using same client for all three accounts? |
| 17:15.06 | icwiener | Yes. |
| 17:15.24 | Two_Dogs | upgraded from kde4 to kf5? |
| 17:15.36 | icwiener | At some point, yes. |
| 17:15.56 | icwiener | Might have happened in between the set ups. |
| 17:16.34 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: which kwallet is running? old or new? |
| 17:17.01 | wodim | is Breeze a fork of the Oxygen codebase? |
| 17:17.36 | Two_Dogs | wodim: i use breeze, i cant see oxygen in it |
| 17:17.46 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: How can I see that? |
| 17:17.47 | wodim | that was not the question |
| 17:18.34 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: what kwallet version is installed? |
| 17:18.56 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: The about dialog says: 15.08.3 |
| 17:19.29 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: did you add the third account after migration to kf5? |
| 17:20.12 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: Might be. |
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| 17:21.17 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: what distro? |
| 17:21.27 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: Debian Sid. |
| 17:22.05 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: look for some migration process that may have been missed, mine was seamless on osuse-tw |
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| 17:22.46 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: does the third imap account work as if it was accounted for via kawallet? |
| 17:25.27 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: Unfortunalety it all seems fucked-up a bit. Currently I am reading emails and all accounts are online but KWalletManager still states that the wallet is closed. o.O |
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| 17:26.22 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: the wallet may close if not used, its a config setting |
| 17:27.23 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: So, not sure how to find out if the third account works as if it was handled by kwallet. |
| 17:27.37 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: if kwallet was broke you should not be getting into the imap accounts, unless kwallet is being bypassed now |
| 17:28.55 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: Yep. That's why I wanted to check, where the passwords would be stored otherwise. :) |
| 17:29.46 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: kwallet would be used in a kde session unless you tweaked something |
| 17:30.16 | icwiener | I did not tweak anything wallet-related in kde. |
| 17:33.51 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: share if you dont mind> pstree -nsupa |
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| 17:37.08 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: https://paste.kde.org/ptsbsog67/xgyq4w |
| 17:40.30 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: i am not on kde right now, i see two instances of kwalletd, |
| 17:41.02 | Two_Dogs | i'll login to kde, brb |
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| 17:44.09 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: i have one instance of kwallet |
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| 17:44.27 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: It seems one of them is started by sddm. |
| 17:44.47 | Two_Dogs | cmd: http://git.io/vuYhz |
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| 17:48.51 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: I checked SDDM and KWallet config but nothing where I could disable sddm from starting kwallet. No idea why it does it. |
| 17:49.29 | rdieter | icwiener: pam_kwallet ? |
| 17:50.03 | rdieter | (it'll auto-open kwallet's using your login password, similar to how pam_gnome_keyring works) |
| 17:51.05 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: debian? copy/paste to terminal> dpkg -l *kwallet* |
| 17:51.10 | icwiener | rdieter: I am asked for an extra password after login. Sometimes two extra passwords, if I have wireless connection. |
| 17:52.28 | Two_Dogs | cmd: http://git.io/vuOva |
| 17:52.33 | icwiener | https://paste.kde.org/pfmu9wpzh/lknw0e |
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| 17:53.41 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: install pam_kwallet |
| 17:53.58 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: apparently it's already installed |
| 17:54.35 | rdieter | unless the claim "It seems one of them is started by sddm" is false |
| 17:54.55 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: i see the lib.. one |
| 17:55.14 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: Yep. the other one might have been the old packae name. |
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| 17:56.34 | icwiener | So, where would the password be stored in case it uses the PAM method? |
| 17:56.36 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: this may also just be a tangent |
| 17:57.25 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: pam just opens kwallet on login |
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| 17:58.11 | Two_Dogs | but you have two running, |
| 17:58.53 | icwiener | Can I call KWalletManager with a specificinstance of kwalletd? |
| 17:59.19 | rdieter | fyi, it's not uncommon to have to kwallet's. one kwalletd (for kde4 apps), and one kwaletd5 (for kf5 apps) |
| 17:59.35 | rdieter | s/to kwallets/two kwallets/ , sorry for the typo |
| 17:59.41 | genstorm | rdieter: isn't pam_kwallet only able to open the one called "kdewallet"? |
| 18:00.00 | rdieter | genstorm: it opens whatever your "default" is |
| 18:00.25 | genstorm | aha |
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| 18:01.08 | rdieter | genstorm: hrm, I guess kwalletmanager has no notion of default wallet, so good question |
| 18:01.23 | rdieter | you may be on your own if you choose to have multiple wallets |
| 18:01.50 | rdieter | but don't confuse this notion of multiple wallets, with what I mentioned about differing kwallet daemons. |
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| 18:04.00 | icwiener | For me it seems chromium and kwalletmanager are opening a different version of the password dialog than kmail2 does. |
| 18:04.21 | icwiener | And networkmanager also opens te new one. |
| 18:05.06 | genstorm | icwiener: iirc kde4-based kwalletmanager will open your old kwalletd, kf5-based kwalletmanager your new one |
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| 18:06.22 | genstorm | I'm not sure if a chromium release is already able to use the kf5-kwallet, I have seen talk about its implementation not so long ago |
| 18:06.38 | icwiener | How do I start the kde4-base manager? I only have one to install. |
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| 18:07.38 | icwiener | I now installed libpam-kwallet4 ... Maybe that will shed some light on this. Gotta relogin... |
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| 18:14.37 | icwiener | OK, so after login, I am asked for the wallet password with the brown purse symbol and if I open walletmanager and "open" the wallet, I am asked with the credit card symbol. |
| 18:14.48 | icwiener | Still only two passwords in KWallet, though. |
| 18:15.16 | genstorm | icwiener: the kwalletmanagers were made coinstallable for that purpose, I have two binaries, kwalletmanager and kwalletmanager5 |
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| 18:19.02 | icwiener | genstorm: Weid. packages.debian.ord states that /usr/bin/kwalletmanager comes with the package kwalletmanager but on my local system, said package only brings /usr/bin/kwalletmanager5. Same package version. :/ |
| 18:19.10 | icwiener | I will contact the debian-kde team. |
| 18:19.35 | icwiener | genstorm: rdieter: Two_Dogs: Thanks for all your efforts so far. :) |
| 18:20.18 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: wy, goof luck |
| 18:23.48 | BluesKaj | yeah goofs need luck too |
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| 18:24.26 | icwiener | Especially. :) |
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| 18:26.00 | icwiener | The reason I am after my password is that I set up that email account a few months ago, then just used it from KMail and now forgot the password. And since it is a completely encrypted mailbox, the provider cannot send me a new password. Goofy, ain't it? :D |
| 18:26.30 | BluesKaj | being a home user I avoid kwallet entirely |
| 18:27.06 | genstorm | it even has a firefox addon ;) |
| 18:28.16 | icwiener | Yep, just saw that. But I am compfortable with typing in my password every time I visit a website. That way I do not forget them as fast as I did with the mailbox one. ;) |
| 18:30.18 | BluesKaj | I'm a bit lazy, all no pwd in the sudoes and aliases fro cli commands in the ~/.bashrc file makes for vey few pw prompts |
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| 18:30.41 | BluesKaj | sudoers rather |
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| 18:31.46 | icwiener | I'm a bit paranoid. Encrypted drive and all adds up to 4 password prompts on login, if both versions of kwallet are needed. |
| 18:31.56 | icwiener | But it's a laptop I carry around. So ... |
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| 18:39.03 | BluesKaj | the local McDonald's has free wifi as most do, but they had a regular customer who finally was caught installing keyloggers on unsuspecting customers who had poor login pwds on their laptops and phones |
| 18:39.44 | Klaus_D1eter_ | hello world. I have this nice kwl file in my home directory and I have kwalletd running and I have kwalletmanager - I also know the password - and I try to import this file but kwalletmanager just says that some error occured |
| 18:39.51 | Klaus_D1eter_ | how can I get access to all my passwords again? |
| 18:40.13 | icwiener | genstorm: rdieter: Two_Dogs: I downgraded the kwalletmanager package and opened the old kwalletmanager and now I see all three accounts. You helped save my email account. Thank you. :) |
| 18:40.30 | genstorm | \o/ |
| 18:40.39 | rdieter | icwiener: your distro should provide both kwalletmanager (4) and kwalletmanager5, imho |
| 18:40.55 | icwiener | rdieter: I'll talk to them. |
| 18:41.11 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: may i suggest opensuse-tw for plasma5 :) |
| 18:41.34 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: good job :) |
| 18:42.26 | icwiener | Two_Dogs: No, you don't. :D I am a Debian user for more than 15 years now and we have fought many battles. Being rather conservative and all, I do not switch stuff that quickly. |
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| 18:43.57 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: i have learned kwallet-ology via trying to get cinnamon to use kwallet instead of gnome-keyring, so far no joy |
| 18:44.30 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: gnome-keyring and kwallet are not interchangeable, apps need to be written for them specifically |
| 18:44.31 | Two_Dogs | icwiener: debian baffles me |
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| 18:45.04 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: really? |
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| 18:45.16 | BluesKaj | yeah , whynor a proper browser on jessie. that iceweasel is a stiff |
| 18:45.22 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: <sarcasm>no, not really, I'm lying</sarcasm> , yes really :) |
| 18:46.10 | Klaus_D1eter_ | icwiener: what was you issueexactly? is it the same as mine? |
| 18:46.13 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: for typical linux users (who don't have pure gtk or qt/kde environments) you'll need to use both |
| 18:46.16 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: i would argue that i should be able to use kwallet on cinnamon, there is little about cinnamon that makes it gnome |
| 18:46.36 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: sure, kde apps running on cinnamon should still use kwallet |
| 18:46.45 | rdieter | if not, there's a bug (somewhere) |
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| 18:47.15 | icwiener | Klaus_D1eter_: No, I forgot a password and kwalletmanager5 was not showing it, so I had to installe kwalletmanager (from kde4) t osee the password. |
| 18:47.17 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: but you cannot force any application not written to support kwallet, to use it |
| 18:47.31 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: i have been trying to get pure kf5 on cinnamon for a while, gnome-keyring is one last slog |
| 18:47.45 | rdieter | pure-kf5 on cinnamon, makes no sense |
| 18:47.57 | rdieter | cannamon by definition, is not kf5 |
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| 18:48.27 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: really? its simple, cinnamon is a windows manager, i use it, with kf5 singulary |
| 18:48.38 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: any kf5 application that has kwallet support, should use kwallet, regardless of which DE you use |
| 18:48.54 | rdieter | cinnamon is a gnome-shell fork |
| 18:48.56 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: yeap, does, do |
| 18:49.06 | Two_Dogs | i know what cinnamon is |
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| 18:49.18 | rdieter | ok, so I fail to see what the problem is |
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| 18:49.38 | rdieter | you say you're trying to make cinnamon use kwallet, but what does that mean exactly? |
| 18:49.39 | Two_Dogs | the problem is being forced to use gnome-keyring |
| 18:49.55 | rdieter | ok, apps that expect gnome-keyring, do need it yet. |
| 18:50.07 | rdieter | same as (kf5) apps that expect kwallet, need kwallet |
| 18:50.15 | Two_Dogs | yes, |
| 18:50.21 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: again, kwallet and gnome-keyring are not interchangeable |
| 18:50.51 | Two_Dogs | alrighty, |
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| 18:57.28 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: http://git.io/vuOnG <-- kf5 on cinnamon, needs kwallet to, and qt5ct to work perty, has both of course, see gnome-keyring? i dont need it, but i have it because thus far i have not found a complete sane method to strip it out, kwallet is what i use |
| 18:58.47 | Two_Dogs | why? because plasma5 still sucks as much as i try to use it and like it |
| 18:59.27 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: so your real question is how to get rid of gnome-keyring on cinnamon? I think you're asking in the wrong place |
| 18:59.31 | Two_Dogs | ohh yeah, less overhead than plasma5 too |
| 18:59.58 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: i did not ask how, i said i did not use it or need it |
| 19:00.14 | rdieter | so why do you care ? |
| 19:00.27 | Two_Dogs | kf5 is still kde last i checked |
| 19:00.44 | rdieter | you said before you wanted " cinnamon to use kwallet instead of gnome-keyring" |
| 19:01.14 | rdieter | which implies to me... you didn't want gnome-keyring, sorry if I misinterpretted |
| 19:03.33 | Two_Dogs | what i actually care about right now is how to force kde session from using the env variable QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct |
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| 19:04.48 | Two_Dogs | i need to keep the variable for the cinnamon session, but in plasma5 things go wonky with the variable enabled |
| 19:05.25 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: fix where that variable is getting set (probably means, you'll have to find where/how that is happening) |
| 19:06.06 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: i dont want to disable the variable, it gets installed via package, |
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| 19:06.52 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: your problem is that it is set unconditionally You only want it used in cinnamon, or... *not* used when you login to plasma. right? |
| 19:06.59 | Two_Dogs | i just need to tweak kde session to unset the variable, just not sure where |
| 19:07.50 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: one way to try, add a shell snippet under .config/plasma-workspace/env/QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME.sh, that unsets/clears that variable |
| 19:08.21 | rdieter | stuff in there get's source'd early on in /usr/bin/startkde |
| 19:08.24 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: with unset command you mean? |
| 19:08.44 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME= |
| 19:08.49 | rdieter | should clear it |
| 19:08.59 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: in userspace or system? |
| 19:09.07 | rdieter | or whatever bourne-shell compatible syntax you choose |
| 19:09.24 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: user, ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env/QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME.sh |
| 19:09.41 | rdieter | Two_Dogs: or global /etc/xdg/plasma-workspace/env/QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME.sh , either way should work |
| 19:09.43 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: i'll give it a try, thnks :) |
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| 19:24.12 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: worked as you said, thnks |
| 19:24.43 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: and i am back to wanting to strip out gnome-keyring from cinnamon again :) |
| 19:26.09 | Two_Dogs | rdieter: btw, i have already got gnome-keyring to not come up with session, and had kwalletd available, but there is always some app that will trigger gnome-keyring after the fact |
| 19:27.43 | Two_Dogs | i have kate not closing completely regardless of session, kate stays after close via window X, but wont stay around if i close it via file > quit |
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| 19:35.28 | Donnie | OpenSuSE 42.1 Leap, KDE, volume keeps going 100%. Any tips to figure out why? |
| 19:35.46 | genstorm | iirc that is a plasma-pa bug |
| 19:36.01 | Donnie | Ah.. How to fix or work around? |
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| 19:36.27 | rdieter | only bug I remember matching that symptom was an old one on kde-runtime (notifications would send volume to 100%) |
| 19:36.48 | rdieter | but it's been fixed for quite awhile |
| 19:37.11 | genstorm | rdieter: ah yes, that's the first <search engine> result |
| 19:37.15 | Donnie | It happened again when my new message notification sound came in from my IRC client Konversation |
| 19:37.31 | rdieter | Donnie: how old is 42.1 leap ? |
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| 19:37.57 | Donnie | rdieter - pretty new. Not sure exact age but its the most recent release of OpenSuSE. |
| 19:38.40 | Donnie | Perhaps a way to set a master volume? So I can set a limit or something? |
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| 19:39.46 | rdieter | Donnie: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324975 is the bug I had in mind |
| 19:40.00 | icwiener | Donnie: For me (I have the same problem seen with Amarok) it helps to decrease the volume in Amarok instead of the systray. Here the systray volume sets itself to the Amarok one whenever I start Amarok playback. |
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| 19:40.53 | Donnie | rdieter - it describes my issue for sure. |
| 19:41.06 | Donnie | just seems a little old. I'll read it completely now. |
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| 19:41.41 | rdieter | Donnie: some folks commenting there seems that it may be a consequent of pulseaudio's flat-volume feature (being enabled) |
| 19:41.57 | rdieter | Donnie: maybe try disabling that, and if it helps your case? |
| 19:42.20 | rdieter | Donnie: set in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf , flat-volumes = no |
| 19:42.29 | rdieter | (and restart your session, or in the least... pulseaudio) |
| 19:42.33 | Donnie | I think I tried that already. Edited some file in /etc/pulseaudio or something. |
| 19:42.35 | Donnie | Let me check. |
| 19:43.40 | Donnie | I did edit daemon.conf and modified a line that says flat-volumes=no but.. It has a semicolin in front of it. Does that mean its still just a comment? I'm use to the pound symbol # |
| 19:45.51 | Donnie | I removed the semicolin, restarted pulse audio, and am waiting to see if its fixed. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 19:47.16 | rdieter | Donnie: yeah, ; at front indicate (ignored) comments |
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| 19:47.30 | nolsen | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14391023/ |
| 19:47.49 | nolsen | I can't even purge anything now. |
| 19:49.05 | Donnie | rdieter - It may be fixed. It was happening with every irc window notification but has stayed put after 3. Not positive yet. |
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| 21:15.16 | menace | does kget have an maximum of open downloads limitation? |
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| 21:15.44 | menace | i wanted to put in a number of urls, but after a while the program does not want to load more urls in its queue... |
| 21:20.44 | menace | ah, after a restart i see the links... |
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| 21:29.24 | Klaus_D1eter_ | well, the old kwallet reads the files just fine |
| 21:29.27 | Klaus_D1eter_ | this is horrible |
| 21:29.35 | Klaus_D1eter_ | because it does not seem to have an export function |
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| 22:07.50 | tite12345 | hi! |
| 22:08.29 | tite12345 | How can I add window decorations that I downloaded through a browser? |
| 22:08.37 | tite12345 | To which dir should I extract it? |
| 22:08.49 | tite12345 | So that the window decoration manager can see it. |
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| 22:14.23 | wodim | is Breeze a fork of the Oxygen codebase? |
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| 22:26.13 | Two_Dogs | https://www.google.com/search?q=is+Breeze+a+fork+of+the+Oxygen+codebase? |
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| 22:28.17 | Two_Dogs | The Breeze window decoration theme is based on the Aurorae theme engine. |
| 22:29.04 | Two_Dogs | :) there is more info than i ever cared to know, breeze is great though, i wont use anything else |
| 22:30.15 | tite12345 | Two_Dogs: Hey |
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| 22:34.52 | Two_Dogs | tite12345: :) |
| 22:35.05 | Keziolio | konsole keeps crashing: https://gist.github.com/Keziolio/10f37d8824ab9e4e6826 |
| 22:36.27 | wodim | Two_Dogs: your answer is incorrect |
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| 22:36.41 | wodim | or I didn't explain myself. I meant the widget theme, not the window decoration theme |
| 22:36.42 | Two_Dogs | wodim: i dont care |
| 22:37.18 | wodim | that's nice of you |
| 22:37.36 | wodim | but you could not reply if you are going to mislead people |
| 22:37.43 | Two_Dogs | Keziolio: somewhere between the newest kf5 and the nvidia-358 |
| 22:38.33 | Two_Dogs | http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/tag/aurorae/ <-- argue with him wodim , his quote |
| 22:38.56 | Keziolio | it's been doing that for a lot of time |
| 22:39.36 | Keziolio | more than a minor version of plasma for sure |
| 22:40.23 | Two_Dogs | Keziolio: i have a glitch with kate, my favorite editor, cant figure it out either |
| 22:41.00 | Two_Dogs | Keziolio: was issue present with kf5-5.4? |
| 22:41.31 | Two_Dogs | Keziolio: was issue present with kf5-5.4? nvidia 352? |
| 22:41.50 | Keziolio | it was doing that with kde 5.4 |
| 22:41.54 | Two_Dogs | Keziolio: what distro? |
| 22:41.56 | Keziolio | i have arch linux |
| 22:42.09 | Keziolio | so always the latest drivers, at any time |
| 22:42.16 | genstorm | Two_Dogs: I guess you mean plasma-5.4? and Keziolio I guess right question would be from which kde-applications release on |
| 22:42.21 | Keziolio | so at the times of 5.4 and before, it was doing that |
| 22:42.26 | Keziolio | yes obv |
| 22:42.33 | Keziolio | uhm |
| 22:42.42 | genstorm | Keziolio: there's also kf-5.4 which is something different |
| 22:43.31 | Two_Dogs | /usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.5.5.1 < and there was 5.4 also genstorm ? |
| 22:43.48 | Keziolio | i don't have a kf package so i don't really know |
| 22:44.11 | genstorm | Two_Dogs: yeah a lot of versions to confuse people ;) |
| 22:47.35 | Two_Dogs | Keziolio: what version of konsole? |
| 22:47.38 | Two_Dogs | cmd: http://git.io/vu3mY |
| 22:48.04 | Keziolio | konsole 15.12.0-1 |
| 22:48.30 | Two_Dogs | Keziolio: can you revert? |
| 22:48.37 | Keziolio | not easily |
| 22:48.58 | Keziolio | somebody tracked down the problem to libnvidia-tls.so.358.16 |
| 22:49.25 | Keziolio | somebody in another channel where i happened to talk about this, so it's not kde related i think |
| 22:49.28 | Two_Dogs | Keziolio: can you revert the nvidia driver? |
| 22:49.50 | Keziolio | that's one option |
| 22:49.51 | Two_Dogs | 356? |
| 22:51.02 | Keziolio | 340 is available, or i'll wait for the next |
| 22:51.25 | Keziolio | if it's not related to konsole then there's nothing that can be done here, thanks |
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| 22:56.53 | vbgunz | nvidia 358.16 seems to be causing a lot of issues and Nvidia is supposedly aware of it |
| 22:57.08 | vbgunz | in other words, they're working on it :/ |
| 22:57.37 | Keziolio | i'm hoping, thanks |
| 22:58.32 | Fuchs | probably related to https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/879586/linux/kf5-konsole-15-04-and-15-08-consumes-100-cpu-on-close-only-with-proprietary-nvidia-driver/ |
| 22:58.36 | Fuchs | and no, so far they just ignore it |
| 22:58.45 | Keziolio | yes it does that |
| 22:58.46 | Fuchs | interesting though that only konsole manages to trigger all of that |
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| 23:32.33 | vbgunz | damn. I changed the shortcut keys of yakuake for resizing the window and the old shortcuts still apply. I restarted it and the old shortcuts still work. I'm trying to resize a byobu split and when I try it even in konsole, the shortcuts that should work don't :( |
| 23:33.10 | vbgunz | I hate running into little things like this, you know it should work but if not one thing another almost always happens :( |
| 23:33.47 | valorie | vbgunz: did you restart your KDE session, or just yakuake? |
| 23:33.55 | vbgunz | just yakuake |
| 23:34.08 | valorie | you might try restarting your session then |
| 23:34.20 | vbgunz | I changed the shortcut keys for yakuake from yakuakes shortcut dialog |
| 23:34.34 | vbgunz | :( |
| 23:34.45 | valorie | I'm not guaranteeing that will work, but I've had to do that often |
| 23:35.06 | vbgunz | you'd honestly think that shouldn't even be an option ;) |
| 23:35.52 | vbgunz | yeah, I'm looking at the "configure shortcuts" dialog for Yakuake now, and the new shortcuts are still there but only the old shortcuts work |
| 23:36.09 | vbgunz | damn, I can try loggin out and back in |
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| 23:40.07 | vbgunz | logging out and back in didn't solve the problem. it looks like Yakuake may be officially stuck with a broken shortcuts configuration dialog. I can see the new shortcuts but I cannot use them :( |
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