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| 00:36.14 | u19809 | hi all, i had to reinstall my kubuntu and now I lost a panel widget I really like. It is a file brower which allows you to navigate through your folders. It is not the folder view as that one does not have a button on the top to open dolphin in the current folder |
| 00:36.21 | u19809 | which widget is it ? |
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| 01:41.42 | danwomansan | is it too late now to ask for help with kdm? |
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| 01:43.34 | Two_Dogs | danwomansan: never too late |
| 01:43.58 | danwomansan | so where's kdmrc, and can kdm be set to log in as a real user? |
| 01:44.04 | danwomansan | not one intended to like |
| 01:44.09 | danwomansan | be actually used for anything other than kdm |
| 01:46.03 | Two_Dogs | danwomansan: /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/kdmrc here on opensuse |
| 01:46.23 | Two_Dogs | danwomansan: i used 'locate' command |
| 01:46.40 | Two_Dogs | danwomansan: real user? |
| 01:46.46 | danwomansan | hmmm, okay thank you, seems to line up with someone also just found in #debian |
| 01:46.57 | danwomansan | uh, instead of logging in as "kdm" to launch it |
| 01:47.03 | danwomansan | I'm having permissions issues with non-real users |
| 01:48.02 | Two_Dogs | danwomansan: root starts kdm here |
| 01:48.19 | danwomansan | ... ah |
| 01:48.35 | danwomansan | well why does root not have video access on my install? I'll have to figure that one out |
| 01:48.58 | Two_Dogs | i have not done a manual start up in a long time |
| 01:49.26 | Two_Dogs | danwomansan: what distro? |
| 01:49.42 | danwomansan | debian |
| 01:49.57 | danwomansan | I'll try giving root proper perms quickly... |
| 01:50.12 | danwomansan | though this is a conversation for #debian and I have my issue mostly solved |
| 01:50.22 | danwomansan | just seeing which solution works at this point |
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| 05:31.25 | fcomtois | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.35 | fcomtois | did anyone experience the same issue ? |
| 05:31.51 | fcomtois | I get an "invalid protocol" error thrown at me |
| 05:34.24 | gry | same here, using a non-kde file manager |
| 05:34.29 | gry | must be a bug in something else |
| 05:37.47 | fcomtois | using which distro? |
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| 05:42.36 | fcomtois | gry: ? |
| 05:43.09 | gry | ubuntu 14.10 |
| 05:43.26 | gry | started happening after i 1) upgraded recently 2) nuked some software nastile |
| 05:43.33 | fcomtois | gry: I am using 15.04 |
| 05:43.34 | gry | so i'm not sure which one of the two was the problem |
| 05:44.19 | fcomtois | gry: yeah... you are not using dolphin ? |
| 05:44.25 | gry | nope |
| 05:44.34 | fcomtois | may I ask what you are using? |
| 05:46.31 | gry | thunar |
| 05:46.41 | SwedFTP | is there anyway to fully regenerate all kde related files? I deleted ~/.cache/ksycoca5 && ~/.cache/ksycoca5stamp, and it seems to have made plasmashell unlaunchable. |
| 05:46.59 | SwedFTP | running kbuildsycoca5 doesn't fix the issue |
| 05:47.12 | SwedFTP | but does regenerate the files that I deleted |
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| 07:10.12 | MrSassyPants | So I upgraded from kubuntu 14.04 to 15.04 and Networkmanager no longer stores passwords. |
| 07:10.30 | MrSassyPants | for wlan, that is |
| 07:10.35 | MrSassyPants | this is terrible. |
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| 07:11.09 | baizon | MrSassyPants: try to reset the settings? |
| 07:11.13 | baizon | also 15.04 is beta? |
| 07:11.16 | MrSassyPants | try to reset what? |
| 07:12.03 | MrSassyPants | Oh, I didn't notice it was beta. |
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| 07:12.44 | baizon | also I'm pretty sure you cant upgrade from 14.04 to 15.04. You have to go 14.04 -> 14.10 ->15.04 |
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| 07:13.12 | baizon | if you go hardcore 14.04 -> 15.04 many things can break |
| 07:13.26 | baizon | ... can and probably will |
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| 07:13.42 | MrSassyPants | baizon, well I might be running 14.10 then |
| 07:14.28 | MrSassyPants | yes I am |
| 07:14.40 | MrSassyPants | I was under the impression that 15.04 was already out and didn't even check |
| 07:15.05 | baizon | MrSassyPants: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule |
| 07:15.11 | MrSassyPants | anyhow, so 14.10, networkmanager no longer stores stuff |
| 07:15.28 | MrSassyPants | It doesn't seem to remember connections. doesn't store passwords. |
| 07:15.54 | baizon | MrSassyPants: well, then its a bug you have i think |
| 07:16.02 | baizon | because mine kubuntu 14.10 works fine |
| 07:16.21 | MrSassyPants | you mean a "Networkmanager bug" rather than something-else-bug? |
| 07:16.59 | baizon | an update configuration is broken bug |
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| 07:25.37 | MrSassyPants | hmm after connecting and then editing the connection to check "all users may connect to this network", it seems to store the password for that particular network |
| 07:25.47 | MrSassyPants | but I have like a dozen passwords for different networks stored |
| 07:25.55 | MrSassyPants | and I feel they're all lost now :O |
| 07:29.42 | MrSassyPants | or is there a way to save em? |
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| 07:37.35 | MrSassyPants | oh, I remembered something |
| 07:37.44 | MrSassyPants | is it possible I uninstalled kde-wallet ? |
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| 07:48.22 | MrSassyPants | ok, the connections are all in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ |
| 07:48.27 | MrSassyPants | but the passwords aren't in there |
| 07:48.43 | MrSassyPants | did they get removed somehow? Do they get stored somewhere else? |
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| 07:51.44 | Sauerland | MrSassyPants: kwallet? |
| 07:52.15 | MrSassyPants | Sauerland, well I disabled it |
| 07:52.26 | MrSassyPants | maybe the upgrade didn't like that too much |
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| 08:16.44 | MrSassyPants | hmm apparently it's some sort of ubuntu regression that has been going on since 11.04 |
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| 10:25.52 | jewels | Hi there. I'm looking for a tutorial in order to understand how to develop a simple component for krunner |
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| 10:26.44 | jewels | for Plasma 5 of course |
| 10:27.13 | DerRaiden | i've quick question.... I've a laptop with multitouch touchscreen how can i enable the tablet mode in plasma 5 manually |
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| 10:59.45 | arvut | hello |
| 11:00.56 | arvut | with the new qt4.8.6, does the kde kwin window transparency randomly get fucked up? so that every window gets like 1% opacity (pretty much invisible). this applies to the kickoff menu as well as logout boxes |
| 11:01.01 | DerRaiden | hello |
| 11:01.10 | arvut | mine does randomly at times, since upgrade |
| 11:01.18 | arvut | upgraded from 4.8.5, gentoo |
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| 11:02.17 | arvut | hmm no |
| 11:02.23 | arvut | still got 4.8.5 |
| 11:02.40 | arvut | seems like 4.8.6 in unstable |
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| 11:06.52 | arvut | anyway, opacity "crashes" in kde 4.14.3, qt4.8.5 |
| 11:08.44 | arvut | fuck it, i need to be killing time now |
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| 11:17.53 | Luke-Jr | akonadi is DoSing my DSL and mail server with a SYN flood :< |
| 11:18.35 | Walex | Luke-Jr: that's unlikely... |
| 11:18.55 | Walex | Luke-Jr: what is more likely is that the DSL router is like so many programmed in a very stupid way. |
| 11:18.59 | Luke-Jr | Walex: killing akonadi_imap_resource stops it |
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| 11:19.18 | Walex | Luke-Jr: and what does that prove? |
| 11:19.30 | Luke-Jr | ⦠that akonadi_imap_resource is the cause? |
| 11:19.58 | Walex | Luke-Jr: "if your eye offends you, pluck it out"? :-) |
| 11:20.06 | Luke-Jr | nothing else is SYN flooding |
| 11:20.28 | Walex | Luke-Jr: are you serious? |
| 11:20.37 | Luke-Jr | yes, want me to upload a pcap? |
| 11:20.42 | Walex | Luke-Jr: how do you know about a SYN flod? |
| 11:20.47 | Luke-Jr | tcpdump |
| 11:21.14 | Walex | Luke-Jr: so you think that Akonadi is just sending SYN packets with no other followup packet? |
| 11:22.06 | Walex | Luke-Jr: or is it the ADSL router that told you that Akonadi is SYN flooding it and then you "confirmed" that with 'tcpdump'? |
| 11:22.54 | Walex | Luke-Jr: because as I was writing earlier many DSL routers have firewalls programmed in a very stupid way. |
| 11:23.01 | Luke-Jr | mine is just OpenWrt |
| 11:23.19 | Walex | Luke-Jr: than that's less likely but still possible. |
| 11:24.03 | Walex | Luke-Jr: the story goes like this: the ADSL firewalls are often programmed to detect SYN floods by counting the number of *incoming* TCP connection attempts. |
| 11:24.24 | Luke-Jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/akonadi.pcap.gz |
| 11:24.25 | Walex | Luke-Jr: but often they also count as SYN floodings the *outgoing* connection attempts. |
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| 11:25.06 | Luke-Jr | Walex: it's not detecting anything; it's just killing my other TCP connections because SYN packets have priority on my network |
| 11:25.36 | Walex | Luke-Jr: so for example many ADSL routers will block you if you try to load a web page with many pictures, because they will try to fetch the pictures in parallel, and that means a lot of TCP connections at the same time *outgoing*. |
| 11:25.46 | Luke-Jr | killing as in, the packet loss is causing them to get dropped |
| 11:26.15 | Luke-Jr | my router has no automated blocking like that |
| 11:26.53 | Walex | Luke-Jr: perhaps then the Akonadi daenmon is trying to open too many parallel KIO connections. |
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| 11:27.36 | Luke-Jr | yes, one every millisecond :p |
| 11:27.50 | Walex | Luke-Jr: perhaps (I don't know about that) the fetching KIO slave is configurable, and you can dial down the degree of parallelism it is trying to achieve to speedup the download of your mailbox. |
| 11:28.08 | Luke-Jr | I don't even use akonadi, I just tolerate it running because I don't know how to stop it |
| 11:28.14 | Walex | Luke-Jr: that's not particularly huge, considering how gast things. |
| 11:28.36 | Walex | Luke-Jr: it is possible to disable Akonadi if you don't use the services that use it. |
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| 11:29.11 | Walex | Luke-Jr: however Akonadi will open IMAP connections only if you have IMAP accounts defined, and it is now the email backend for Kontact/KMail. |
| 11:29.23 | Luke-Jr | yes, it got setup when I tried to update KMail |
| 11:29.31 | Luke-Jr | which was a complete disaster so I went back to 4.4 |
| 11:29.56 | Luke-Jr | sadly, 4.4 seems to still spawn it even though it isn't used for mail |
| 11:30.11 | Walex | http://osdir.com/ml/kdepim-bugs/2013-10/msg00334.html |
| 11:30.45 | Walex | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727808 seems particularly relevant |
| 11:32.07 | Walex | that only if your configuration uses SSL with certificate problems. |
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| 11:32.47 | Luke-Jr | I'm using 4.14.3, and this bug suggests it was resolved in 4.12 |
| 11:33.00 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 11:33.02 | Walex | Luke-Jr: yes, indeed. |
| 11:33.31 | Luke-Jr | eh, 4.14.3 of kdepimlibs; akonadi-server is 1.13.0 |
| 11:34.23 | Luke-Jr | akonadictl stop seems to have helped for now |
| 11:36.00 | Luke-Jr | aha /var/db/pkg/kde-base/kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1-r3/CONTENTS:obj /usr/bin/akonadi_imap_resource 20f045998eaee68ccbc696f4dc2d5517 1424426115 |
| 11:36.17 | Luke-Jr | so that's from the 4.4, guess I'm just going to have to automate stopping it |
| 11:36.30 | Walex | Luke-Jr: actually you sort of cannot. |
| 11:36.36 | Luke-Jr | until some day when KMail2 actually works |
| 11:36.41 | Walex | Luke-Jr: because any service that needs it starts it. |
| 11:37.02 | Luke-Jr | argh, right. kmail is complaining now |
| 11:37.03 | Walex | Luke-Jr: The Akondadi page on the wiki tells you how to permanently stop it. |
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| 11:37.37 | DerRaiden | I'm searching for a troubleshoot to activate the tablet mode manually, does anyone know about it ? |
| 11:38.21 | Walex | Luke-Jr: https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#How_do_I_completely_disable_Akonadi_startup.3F |
| 11:38.23 | ths_ | where has the locale selector gone in kdm?I used to be able to select a different locale before starting the desktop environment (iirc) is this function gone? |
| 11:38.31 | Luke-Jr | Walex: that will break KMail still, right? |
| 11:38.45 | s4ndm4n | is it possible to use the network manager applet for plasma in other WMs? |
| 11:39.09 | Walex | Luke-Jr: well, there is a version of KMail that uses Akonadi only for indexing, but the newer versions use is to store their email. |
| 11:39.19 | tosky | Walex: never |
| 11:39.30 | tosky | Walex: Akonadi is a cache |
| 11:39.38 | Walex | Luke-Jr: so in the first case it is optional, in the second it is not. |
| 11:40.19 | Walex | tosky: that's what I understood too, but it seems that in recent KMails akonadi has been promoted to a required backend component, but maybe I misread the docs. |
| 11:41.08 | Luke-Jr | well, 4.4 seems to not use Akonadi, but still complains if it isn't running |
| 11:41.08 | tosky | Walex: Akonadi *is* required, the last version of KMail without Akonadi is 4.4, but Akonadi has always been a cache |
| 11:42.12 | Walex | tosky: does KMail still store messages only in the folder dirs even in the latest versions? |
| 11:42.19 | tosky | Walex: yes |
| 11:43.38 | Luke-Jr | there, used akonadi_control to delete its IMAP accounts |
| 11:44.14 | Walex | tosky: then I misinterpreted "The Akonadi framework is responsible for providing applications with a centralized database to store, index and retrieve the user's personal information. This includes the user's emails, contacts, calendars, events, journals, alarms, notes, etc." especially the "includes the user's emails" :-) |
| 11:44.23 | Walex | tosky: in: https://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi |
| 11:45.16 | Walex | tosky: I had thought that was a newly expanded role. |
| 11:46.11 | tosky | Walex: first FAQ point: https://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi#Where_is_my_data_now.3F |
| 11:46.29 | tosky | which brings to https://blogs.kde.org/node/4503, "To make it clear from the beginning: the Akonadi database is NOT your MAIN data storage." |
| 11:46.45 | tosky | Akonadi provides API to access the data in a uniform way |
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| 11:52.15 | saptech | hi all |
| 11:52.44 | saptech | using kde plasma 5, how do I use the Switch User feature? |
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| 11:54.22 | saptech | when I go to the Leave option and select Switch User, a Session box appear at the top of the screen. What should I do at this point? |
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| 13:40.04 | Walex | tosky: that blog entry is 4 years old too. Who knows what has happened in the meantime? :-) Since the docs tend to be upgraded "occasionally" and otherwise get a bit out of date, I had suspected things had changed in the meantime. |
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| 13:42.05 | tosky | Walex: I think a big change like that would have been written down |
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| 13:48.42 | DerRaiden | no one can help me? :/ |
| 13:49.39 | tosky | no many Plasma-powered tablets around, sadly |
| 13:49.43 | tosky | does not know |
| 13:50.06 | leszek | DerRaiden: I am not sure if there is any tablet ui for Plasma 5 |
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| 13:52.28 | DerRaiden | leszek i'd read about that http://www.pcworld.com/article/2842962/kubuntu-15-04-embraces-kdes-plasma-5-desktop.html |
| 13:53.37 | leszek | DerRaiden: I quote "To be fair, KDE doesnât have this working yet either. " |
| 13:53.48 | leszek | it isn't implemented yet |
| 13:53.55 | DerRaiden | mh ok |
| 13:54.09 | leszek | the basic technology for that is there but no one implemented a tablet gui ontop of plasma 5 yet |
| 13:55.39 | DerRaiden | ok thx |
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| 14:01.27 | cb400f | does anyone know if all those intel tablets coming out, will be easier to install mainstream linux distros on, than all the non-standard arm funkyness? |
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| 14:21.18 | leszek | cb400f: not sure. All of them mostly come with some sort of secure boot enabled and locked bootloaders |
| 14:23.13 | cb400f | prays |
| 14:23.52 | cb400f | maybe at least they'll be all locked in the same way, so that some hack can unlock all of them and you don't need different hackery for every single device |
| 14:25.17 | cb400f | SailfishOS/Jolla tablet will be great... but SUSE/PlasmaActive would be even better ;-) |
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| 14:33.23 | s4ndm4n | Does KDE SC include Plasma Desktop too? |
| 14:33.45 | cb400f | it did in kde4 days |
| 14:33.51 | leszek | yes |
| 14:33.54 | cb400f | in "kde5" days there's no more kde sc |
| 14:34.12 | cb400f | there's frameworks, applications and workspace as seperate releases |
| 14:34.13 | s4ndm4n | cb400f: I know. I was asking for KDE4 |
| 14:34.15 | s4ndm4n | :D |
| 14:34.31 | leszek | cb400f: at least the jolla guys are trying to make the bootloader somehow open and make it possible to replace sailfishos with whatever os you like |
| 14:34.47 | s4ndm4n | What I am trying to do is: remove Plasma but keep all the KDE applications |
| 14:35.09 | cb400f | ooh... maybe I'll need to get a second one then... smart business on their side ;-) |
| 14:40.16 | Jucato | s4ndm4n: you can actually use kde applications in whatever desktop environment you prefer |
| 14:40.41 | s4ndm4n | Jucato: is it possible to theme them like in KDE? |
| 14:41.00 | s4ndm4n | I have read about installing "systemsettings" to do that but I am not sure. |
| 14:41.21 | Jucato | yes, that would be easiest way about it |
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| 14:43.33 | s4ndm4n | BTW, is it okay if VirtualBox doesn't follow the KDE theme in Plasma 5? |
| 14:45.30 | leszek | s4ndm4n: sounds to be the qt4 theme is not set to use breeze |
| 14:46.17 | s4ndm4n | leszek: It's the colorscheme that is problematic |
| 14:47.31 | s4ndm4n | White selection color when using Dark color scheme and Dark Blue color when using light |
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| 14:47.48 | s4ndm4n | But when I use other WMs it displays fine. |
| 14:48.10 | leszek | s4ndm4n: maybe a bug in qt |
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| 14:50.43 | s4ndm4n | leszek: The issue is present with qt4 applications like Vlc and VirtualBox but not with qt5 applications |
| 14:50.53 | s4ndm4n | brb |
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| 15:46.11 | dim33 | hi, how do I change the Desktop effects > Advanced > tearing prevention back to automatic (or default all Desktop effects for that matter) from console? |
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| 15:47.41 | rdieter | dim33: which kwin release? (4 or 5)? |
| 15:47.59 | rdieter | in short, deleting kwinrc will reset configs to default |
| 15:48.43 | rdieter | dim33: in particular, deleting the [Compositing] section of kwinrc |
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| 15:51.00 | rdieter | dim33: GLPreferBufferSwap=a should be the default |
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| 15:53.07 | rdieter | dim33: from console, to set that: kwriteconfig --file kwinrc --group Compositing --key GLPreferBufferSwap a |
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| 15:54.31 | dim33 | rdieter:thanks a lot, changed it and everything worked, I could not even log in |
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| 16:19.31 | petersaints | hi guys |
| 16:19.43 | petersaints | on KDE Plamas 5 with the Icons Taskbar |
| 16:20.09 | petersaints | I can't launch a new app instance with the mouse middle click, like I was able to on KDE Plasma 4 |
| 16:20.24 | petersaints | Is there any way to achieve this? |
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| 17:09.30 | _1_Victorinoxme5 | Hello |
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| 17:10.02 | _1_Victorinoxme5 | Is there a girl around? |
| 17:13.01 | petersaints | Anyway, I just reported a bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346049 |
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| 17:32.29 | darthanubis | I do I restart plasmashell? |
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| 17:35.08 | rdieter | darthanubis: kquitapp plasmashell; sleep 2; plasmashell |
| 17:36.48 | darthanubis | quassel didn't like that |
| 17:36.53 | darthanubis | but thanks |
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| 18:27.14 | Voyage | what is kde license? |
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| 18:30.31 | rdieter | Voyage: there's no single license for everything, but *most* apps are GPLv2+, and libraries LGPLv2+, do you have anything particular in mind? |
| 18:30.42 | rdieter | the general policy is @ https://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Policies/Licensing_Policy |
| 18:32.00 | Voyage | The GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) is a free software license published by the Free Software Foundation (FSF). The license allows developers and companies to use and integrate LGPL software into their own (even proprietary) software without being required by the terms of a strong copyleft license to release the source code of their own software-parts. The license requires that only the LGPL software-parts be modifiable by end-users via source code a |
| 18:32.00 | Voyage | vailability. |
| 18:32.05 | Voyage | kde is LGL |
| 18:32.08 | Voyage | LFPL |
| 18:32.13 | Voyage | LGPL* |
| 18:35.15 | Voyage | no? |
| 18:36.33 | Roberth1990 | Voyage: I think that depends on which part |
| 18:36.49 | Roberth1990 | Voyage: afaik libraries are lgpl and applicatons are gpl |
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| 18:42.23 | shevy | I have a question about KDE konsole, and the title of an individual tab. |
| 18:42.26 | shevy | This code works fine: |
| 18:42.31 | shevy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.41 | shevy | but I get a alot of strange extra stuff output |
| 18:42.50 | shevy | Output such as: |
| 18:42.56 | shevy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.24 | shevy | about 30 lines of that or so. Is there a way to silence that output? I would only like to rename the title of the tab there, not get any additional result/output |
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| 18:44.05 | shevy | Full output would be: http://pastie.org/pastes/10085166/text |
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| 18:46.03 | Voyage | Roberth1990, thanks |
| 18:48.50 | rdieter | shevy: you can check if debugging output is enabled or not, run: kdebugdialog, see if "disable all debug output" checkbox is enabled |
| 18:48.58 | shevy | ok |
| 18:49.42 | shevy | hmm I have tried this |
| 18:49.56 | shevy | I checked the button, clicked on "Apply", started a new konsole to make sure |
| 18:50.02 | shevy | I still get that strange XML output |
| 18:50.07 | shevy | ohh |
| 18:50.18 | shevy | perhaps I use two different kde versions, I remember I updated only konsole |
| 18:50.43 | shevy | my current konsole is from ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/kde/stable/4.14.3/src/konsole-4.14.3.tar.xz, but the kdelibs/infrastructure might be older (a default slackware build) |
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| 18:58.21 | shann_ | hi |
| 18:58.26 | shann_ | bonsoir |
| 18:59.16 | shann_ | I use dolphin for access to sftp ressource, but i no display remote connection in "Places" |
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| 21:53.35 | petersaints | I just reported a regression from what I was used to on KDE Plasma 4: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346055 |
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| 22:07.45 | Jucato | petersaints: are you sure your widgets are unlocked when you try drag and drop the app? I can do that here on KF 5.8, Plasma 5.2.2. both with the kickoff (Application Launcher) and kicker (Application Menu) styles |
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