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| 02:24.02 | Denommus` | I'm using Arch Linux, KDE Frameworks 5.6.0, and I'm facing a challenging problem |
| 02:24.40 | Denommus` | kmix and the clipboard manager don't open at startup, and konsole is using Xorg's icon instead of its own icon |
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| 02:25.26 | Denommus` | if I delete the cache in /var/tmp/kdecache-<user> and run kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental, the problem disappears once |
| 02:25.32 | Denommus` | but when I log in again, the problem returns |
| 02:26.20 | mefistofeles | hmm weird |
| 02:26.24 | mefistofeles | working fine here |
| 02:26.25 | mefistofeles | with arch as well |
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| 02:27.28 | Denommus` | I had some file systems issues recently that may have something to do with it, but I don't know exactly what should I hack for this to stop happening |
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| 02:30.53 | Denommus` | I'm almost deciding to format my partition and start from scratch :-P |
| 02:31.11 | Denommus` | I'm suspecting that the cache is being generated wrong somehow |
| 02:37.01 | mefistofeles | Denommus`: what FS issues? |
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| 02:38.22 | Denommus` | mefistofeles: I wouldn't know exactly how to describe, but I had to run a fsck to fix them |
| 02:38.42 | Denommus` | mefistofeles: but besides this inconvenience, my system seems normal |
| 02:40.00 | Denommus` | I'll try to remove ~/.config/Trolltech.conf |
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| 02:53.12 | Denommus` | well, managed to fix it by removing ~/.kde4 |
| 02:53.24 | Denommus` | unfortunately, now I have to redo all my settings |
| 02:53.54 | mefistofeles | heh, well... nice time to start fresh |
| 02:53.54 | mefistofeles | xD |
| 02:54.29 | Denommus` | yeah, I was going to throw away some of my settings anyway |
| 02:54.43 | Denommus` | and I didn't do that many, since it was a recent install |
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| 04:15.46 | piggah | rawr |
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| 04:24.41 | mefistofeles | btw, I upgraded ksnapshot (which was ported to kf5 AFAIK)... do I have to set up the shortcut manually? |
| 04:24.50 | mefistofeles | such that when I hit print screen button it loads ksnapshot? |
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| 04:35.24 | pingupingu | mefistofeles: does ksnapshot5 capture window only ? I don't seem to get that working |
| 04:35.52 | mefistofeles | pingupingu: seems to be working here |
| 04:35.59 | mefistofeles | pingupingu: do you get an error or something? |
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| 04:36.29 | pingupingu | no only full screen is working all the others the preview does not show correctly |
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| 04:37.20 | mefistofeles | weird, you are clicking the "new snapshot" button after choosing the mode right? |
| 04:38.09 | pingupingu | yeah |
| 04:38.17 | mefistofeles | pingupingu: no idea, sorry |
| 04:38.19 | pingupingu | let me get you what I get |
| 04:39.24 | pingupingu | http://postimg.org/image/clp4dbhyt/ |
| 04:39.33 | pingupingu | that is what I get |
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| 08:39.08 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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| 09:12.04 | dexta | morning |
| 09:13.59 | lordievader | Hey dexta |
| 09:14.13 | dexta | o/ |
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| 09:24.58 | manjaro_user_ | Hi, my panel in majaro KDE freezes and doesn't come back whenever I start Firefox. #manjaro thought I might find help here. Is it appropriate to ask for support here? |
| 09:26.20 | einar77_work | manjaro_user_: are you using stuff like the firefox kwallet extension, or some other form of kde workspace integration? |
| 09:26.44 | einar77_work | also, is the freeze permanent, or temporary? |
| 09:27.26 | manjaro_user_ | I'm pretty sure I am using kwallet. The freeze is permanent as far as I can tell, or at least ~hours |
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| 09:30.20 | manjaro_user_ | I haven't installed any firefox extension for kwallet, but I think there's some kind of integration in manjaro by default. I don't want to fire it up to check right now because I'll have to kill my session to get back. |
| 09:30.40 | einar77_work | manjaro_user_: do other apps still work? |
| 09:31.41 | einar77_work | or is it a total session freeze? |
| 09:31.46 | manjaro_user_ | some do. yakuake is always fine, krunner is sometimes fine, but I ALWAYS get the frozen bouncy mouse cursor icon for firefox stuck on my screen so I'm pretty sure it's not just my panel which is broken |
| 09:32.05 | manjaro_user_ | I can launch most programs from yakuake just fine |
| 09:32.54 | manjaro_user_ | curiously, the manjaro gui package manager Octopi still interacts on the panel, but nothing else does |
| 09:33.36 | manjaro_user_ | So if nothing else, I'd hope #kde could figure out what's actually causing this weird combination of things that do and don't function |
| 09:33.58 | manjaro_user_ | any ideas? |
| 09:35.46 | manjaro_user_ | I don't know enough to figure out what to start stripping out to diagnose |
| 09:39.58 | manjaro_user_ | KDE 4.14.3 btw |
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| 09:48.09 | einar77_work | hm |
| 09:48.26 | einar77_work | it looks to me that something is blocking plasma |
| 09:48.55 | einar77_work | manjaro_user_: next time it occurs, try closing plasma from the terminal (kquitapp plasma-desktop) then restart it (simply issue plasma-desktop) |
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| 09:49.52 | manjaro_user_ | thanks einar77_work. will do so in a minute or two |
| 09:50.16 | einar77_work | if you get something like "did not receive a reply" from the first command, it means it's stuck somewhere |
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| 09:56.40 | manjaro_user_ | you're right. got "did not receive a reply" from quitapp after ~30s |
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| 10:15.28 | einar77_work | manjaro_user_: next try then! |
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| 10:16.48 | einar77_work | manjaro_user_: try something like strace -p `pidof plasma-desktop` 2> plasma_strace.log - quit it after a few seconds, then upload it to a pastebin service and put the link here |
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| 10:35.04 | ochurlaud | hi! how can I get an account on https://userbase.kde.org to update some webpages? |
| 10:35.36 | ochurlaud | (for instance the french page of the IRC or some translation to begin with) |
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| 10:40.37 | valorie | ochurlaud: that would be great! |
| 10:40.45 | valorie | just use Identity |
| 10:40.56 | valorie | which is https://identity.kde.org |
| 10:41.10 | valorie | and the second login link on userbase |
| 10:41.29 | valorie | very confusing we know, but a fix is in the works |
| 10:41.54 | valorie | more French translations would be very welcome |
| 10:42.14 | valorie | probably good to link up with the francophone translator group as well |
| 10:43.05 | ochurlaud | I don't want to translate a lot, but when I see some really old stuff =D |
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| 10:43.29 | lordievader | ochurlaud: Small patches are still patches ;) |
| 10:44.04 | ochurlaud | The documentation of "How to contribute" says that one can register thanks to the right menu |
| 10:44.23 | ochurlaud | but it's not right => You can only login there |
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| 10:48.34 | valorie | it would be great if you fixed that, ochurlaud |
| 10:48.47 | valorie | it used to be you had separate logins everywhere |
| 10:49.42 | manjaro_user_ | einar77_work: I haven't used strace before. It's not running to completion because it seems to be getting stuck in statfs on my nfs mounts |
| 10:49.58 | manjaro_user_ | is that expected and/or relevant behaviour |
| 10:49.59 | manjaro_user_ | ? |
| 10:50.02 | einar77_work | manjaro_user_: ah! |
| 10:50.15 | einar77_work | manjaro_user_: can you try unmounting the NFS shares? |
| 10:50.22 | einar77_work | then start firefox again? |
| 10:50.27 | einar77_work | I think it will not get stuck |
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| 10:51.17 | manjaro_user_ | okay I will try that. brb restarting session. Thanks very much for your help so far! |
| 10:51.44 | ochurlaud | valorie: Ok I see how it works: it was highlighted in pink => Deprecatd. Normally I use the english page but once you've been on an french one, then you stay in french..... Soooo more comfortable =D |
| 10:51.53 | ochurlaud | thx have a great day! |
| 10:52.07 | valorie | thank you for your contribution, ochurlaud |
| 10:52.20 | valorie | heads to bed |
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| 10:52.57 | ochurlaud | time zone things: I just woke up =D |
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| 10:55.26 | valorie | yes, and I'm a western US nightowl |
| 10:55.29 | valorie | :-) |
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| 10:57.28 | manjaro_user_ | einar77_work: thanks very much. I didn't even have to unmount my nfs partitions, just restart my RPi fileserver. It is always unhappy after my router is restarted and I had forgotten to restart it. You have solved my problem! |
| 10:58.24 | einar77_work | manjaro_user_: it's a known problem, but not sure if there's a solution - stale network mounts can cause this issue |
| 10:59.06 | manjaro_user_ | Ah okay. Thanks for all your help |
| 10:59.07 | einar77_work | (it happens every time here the power goes out for the mounts I have on non-essential machines that aren't on UPS) |
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| 11:01.07 | manjaro_user_ | Interesting. It took me a long time to get my little fileserver working in Dolphin - I tried a few configurations that didn't seem to work for no known reason. It all feels a bit fragile to be honest. |
| 11:02.08 | manjaro_user_ | but I have no confidence in my ability to configure things properly... so there's that |
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| 11:11.07 | einar77_work | manjaro_user_: I would suggest you to look into autofs or use systemd-based automounts for mounting on demand |
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| 11:14.10 | manjaro_user_ | I think I have both my RPi and my Desktop using x-systemd.automount in fstab. Although looking at it now I have both x-systemd.automount and noauto set.. not sure if that makes sense |
| 11:15.01 | manjaro_user_ | nope, my RPi is not using systemd |
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| 11:59.56 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 12:48.13 | ShalokShalom | http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2015/02/09/what-i-can-say-about-kde-plasma-5-that-i-cant-say-about-windows-8/ |
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| 12:55.09 | ob-sed | ShalokShalom: it doesnt suck, thats one thing |
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| 13:46.25 | Captain_Haddock | Since I have the "Cover switch" desktop effect enabled, can't I somehow disable the window switch in the background until I release the ALT key? |
| 13:47.29 | Captain_Haddock | Hmm, actually the Cover Switch effect doesn't work at all for me. |
| 13:47.39 | Captain_Haddock | I guess my system can't handle Desktop effects? |
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| 13:55.03 | ShalokShalom | Captain_Haddock: My English is to weak, to understand you completly.. Do you check the Window Behavior Settings ? |
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| 13:59.30 | Captain_Haddock | ShalokShalom: Which setting in particular? I only see the keyboard shortcut settings for tab switching |
| 13:59.39 | Captain_Haddock | (and your English is fine :) |
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| 14:01.34 | ShalokShalom | What you want to do exactly ? :) |
| 14:01.52 | ShalokShalom | You can ask in #kwin as well. |
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| 14:10.37 | Captain_Haddock | ShalokShalom: When I ALT+TAB between application windows, a small window pops up with the thumbnails of each application window. This is good. However, when I tab between the thumbnails, the application window in the background also switches. I only want the application window to be switched once I choose the thumbnail that I want and release the ALT key. |
| 14:11.30 | ShalokShalom | ah |
| 14:12.08 | ShalokShalom | yes, possible, at least here |
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| 14:13.22 | ShalokShalom | unmark "Show selected Window" |
| 14:13.59 | ShalokShalom | http://i.imgur.com/qmA1v8Z.png |
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| 14:21.41 | Captain_Haddock | ShalokShalom: Thanks! |
| 14:21.45 | Captain_Haddock | I must be blind :/ |
| 14:21.57 | ShalokShalom | :) |
| 14:22.04 | ShalokShalom | all fine, you are welcome :) |
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| 14:41.28 | moss | hi, is there a way to get my windows to look a little less windows-95ish in KDE? |
| 14:43.31 | hateball | You could use themes |
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| 14:45.49 | moss | hateball, i like the oxygen theme, i think its gtk that makes the buttons and everything look rigid and windows-95ish |
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| 14:48.57 | Captain_Haddock | moss: Your screen looks like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windows_95_at_first_run.png |
| 14:49.01 | Captain_Haddock | How about a screenshot? |
| 14:49.09 | moss | Captain_Haddock, sure one sec |
| 14:51.21 | moss | Captain_Haddock, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7744518/current-screen-kde-snapshot.png |
| 14:51.26 | Sho_ | moss: oxygen exists for gtk |
| 14:51.35 | moss | Sho_, really? |
| 14:51.49 | Sho_ | yes, we made native ports to gtk2 and 3 |
| 14:52.04 | Sho_ | however, gtk3 recently dropped the theming API so fuck gtk in the future, or mor less |
| 14:52.10 | Sho_ | *more or less |
| 14:52.21 | moss | well thats poop |
| 14:52.28 | moss | im glad i didnt re-emerge everything to use gtk3 |
| 14:52.34 | moss | because that's what i thought the problem was. |
| 14:53.43 | moss | oh wow |
| 14:53.58 | moss | i just switched to using the xfce gtk theme, it's already nicer, so i can imagine what the oxygen theme is like |
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| 14:55.32 | moss | also: how do i get the blue outline around windows to go away |
| 14:56.18 | hateball | it's called "glow" |
| 14:56.39 | moss | yeah |
| 14:56.44 | hateball | edit window decorations |
| 14:56.58 | hateball | and on the shade tab there's a "glow" thing |
| 14:57.04 | moss | sweet :) |
| 14:57.06 | moss | thank you! |
| 14:57.09 | hateball | that's the first thing to go on a fresh install... |
| 14:57.30 | moss | need a way to improve these fonts too |
| 14:57.33 | moss | they are also kind of rigid |
| 14:57.41 | hateball | make sure you set proper antialiasing |
| 14:57.49 | moss | how do i make sure that i've done that? |
| 14:58.07 | hateball | go into fonts and check |
| 14:58.14 | hateball | alt+f2 -> fonts |
| 14:58.14 | moss | its set to 96 dpi |
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| 14:58.30 | hateball | there's a "use smoothing" or some such |
| 14:58.38 | hateball | and then extra options for hinting |
| 14:58.44 | moss | ok |
| 14:59.03 | hateball | I'm not on english locale so I dont know the exact phrases |
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| 14:59.14 | moss | hinting was correct |
| 14:59.15 | moss | and |
| 14:59.23 | moss | sub-pixel rendering |
| 14:59.37 | moss | and that just made it 100x better already |
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| 15:30.55 | billyJoe | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBKlU6HCJbs |
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| 15:43.48 | troffasky | jesus, if ever there was a toolkit that needed theming to stop it being so ugly, it's GTK3 |
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| 15:46.35 | Kendos-Kenlen | Hi |
| 15:47.42 | Kendos-Kenlen | I've a little question, is there a mean to disable the KDE shortcut on plasma 5 ? They are in conflict with my IDE and because I use more them than those of KDE, I want to disable those of KDE. |
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| 15:59.28 | jreznik | Kendos-Kenlen: hi, system settings -> shortcuts |
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| 16:22.57 | ago | hello, When I try to send an email with kde which have ~50 recipients I get: Failed to transport message. I'd like to know if it is a kmail failure or my isp/smtp failure..any hints? |
| 16:23.10 | ago | s/kde/kmail |
| 16:26.58 | Muzer | why the hell is baloo running after I disabled it? |
| 16:27.16 | Muzer | and where is it storing all its data so I can delete it? |
| 16:27.28 | Muzer | stupid bloody thing, we had this with nepomuk in early KDE4. Don't you guys ever learn? |
| 16:29.12 | Muzer | ' |
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| 16:29.14 | Muzer | There is no explicit “Enable/Disable” button any more. We would like to promote the use of searching and feel that Baloo should never get in the users way. However, we are smart about it and IF you add your HOME directory to the list of “excluded folders”, Baloo will switch itself off since it no longer has anything to index.' |
| 16:29.24 | Muzer | THAT'S INSANE |
| 16:29.26 | Muzer | SERIOUSLY, WHAT MORON CAME UP WITH THAT |
| 16:29.52 | Muzer | I just thought KDE had actually achieved some stability, then they go and do this! |
| 16:30.14 | kfunk | uhm, take a deep breath please |
| 16:30.26 | Muzer | sorry. I honestly thought mistakes from KDE4.0 had been forgotten! |
| 16:30.38 | Muzer | errrr, not forgotten |
| 16:30.40 | Muzer | the other on e:p |
| 16:30.43 | kfunk | for the majority of people baloo is running very reliably these days |
| 16:31.26 | Muzer | well I believe it ate all my HDD space, but I might be wrong, which is why I'm trying to look for the data... |
| 16:31.53 | Muzer | oh, and my HDD was thrashing every three seconds yesterday |
| 16:31.58 | Muzer | it's annoying as hell |
| 16:32.18 | Muzer | 2.5GB INDEX IN ~/.local/share/baloo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:32.37 | Muzer | PLEASE add an option t odelete everything, that's ridiculously excessive |
| 16:34.07 | BluesKaj | Muzer, there is a enable button, just uncheck it ..of course depends on which OS |
| 16:34.14 | Muzer | BluesKaj: but it doesn't work |
| 16:34.18 | Muzer | the processes are still runinng! |
| 16:34.23 | Muzer | even when I kill them |
| 16:34.39 | BluesKaj | perhaps a reboot |
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| 16:37.20 | Muzer | seems I'm not the only one who is annoyed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332195 |
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| 16:38.38 | Muzer | I can't believe KDE is going down the "settings are bad, man, the users like, can't be trusted" route. KDE was until recently the last bastion for people who actually want control of their system... |
| 16:39.45 | Sho_ | Muzer: Which setting? |
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| 16:41.00 | Sho_ | whoops, misclicked and dropped out |
| 16:41.07 | Sho_ | might have missed Muzer's answer |
| 16:41.13 | d_ed | he posted a link above |
| 16:41.17 | d_ed | he wants an option to break his system |
| 16:41.20 | Muzer | Sho_: yeah, the ability to disable this stupid new baloo thing |
| 16:41.34 | Muzer | nepomuk was bad, but it eventually gained the functionality to get rid of it, which made me happy |
| 16:41.38 | Muzer | now baloo is bad and can't be properly disabled |
| 16:41.48 | Sho_ | Muzer: there's an option to disable/enable file indexing+search |
| 16:41.54 | Sho_ | it was actually added after that controversy |
| 16:41.55 | Muzer | d_ed: you mean the option not to have my home partition entirely filled up |
| 16:41.58 | Muzer | Sho_: yeah, but it doesn't work |
| 16:42.06 | d_ed | he linked to the email indexer |
| 16:42.17 | Sho_ | "doesn't work" is not the same as "doesn't exist", and just a bug if true |
| 16:42.27 | Muzer | I still have muzer 20498 11.0 0.5 262804 33288 ? S 16:36 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_baloo_indexer --identifier akonadi_baloo_indexer |
| 16:42.32 | Muzer | which restarts whenever I kill it |
| 16:42.43 | einar77_work | Muzer: akonadiconsole, remove the baloo indexing agent |
| 16:42.44 | leszek | Muzer: thats akonadi |
| 16:43.49 | Sho_ | a more discoverable option to disable email indexing might be nice |
| 16:44.36 | Muzer | excellent, it does appear to actually be gone now (also, I couldn't actually find anything with a name similar to akonadi console, but I eventually found it in the GUI settings...) |
| 16:44.59 | Muzer | Sho_: an option to delete the index would be good too, as I have said, because it did actually fill up my home partition |
| 16:45.14 | Muzer | rather than having to work out that it's in .local/share and not .kde4... |
| 16:45.17 | einar77_work | However that stuff is in deep freeze, I doubt we'll see it |
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| 16:45.38 | einar77_work | I mean in the near term |
| 16:45.59 | Sho_ | Muzer: from the developer perspective, the problem with making things optional is that you then have to write code that can handle the case of something not being there, which increases workload, maintenance cost and bug surface, and capacity is finite |
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| 16:46.22 | Sho_ | Muzer: So there are cases where settings really *are* bad because if you have them you can't afford the feature at all |
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| 16:46.44 | Sho_ | it's a case-by-case consideration, of course |
| 16:48.00 | Muzer | Sho_: but not having a setting to disable an app that constantly uses significant resources, losing battery life and filling hard drives, is immediately obviously a VERY bad idea and the people who decided to release baloo without having implemented an option to disable it are frankly complete idiots |
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| 16:48.33 | Muzer | I mean, perhaps they all used desktops with giant SSDs or something so completely didn't notice that their app was so hungry |
| 16:48.35 | einar77_work | Muzer: while bugs can be really frustrating |
| 16:48.41 | philluminati | For what it's worth, I think the discussion on the bug report is civil and the points made are pretty reasonable. Filling up 16GB is like filling a whole pc (e.g. Eeepc, notebooks, tablets). Let's not get uncivil about it |
| 16:48.54 | einar77_work | and I do know, because I work with software that's really written badly, I mean REALLY badly |
| 16:49.07 | BluesKaj | Muzer, you should be able to kill it in the system monitor |
| 16:49.10 | Sho_ | Muzer: please don't stoop to stuff like "complete idiots", it's against our code of conduct here |
| 16:49.11 | einar77_work | you should not need to resort to direct attacks |
| 16:49.22 | einar77_work | and like Sho_ said, it violates our Code of Conduct |
| 16:49.59 | Muzer | apologies, but I can't see how a person would come to the conclusion that everyone would be perfectly happy with this thing runinng on their systems. Bearing in mind Linux users are basically the most likely to want to control exactly what goes on with their system, especially when it comes to apps that use tonnes of resources |
| 16:50.29 | einar77_work | Muzer: the phrase YMMV applies |
| 16:50.30 | Sho_ | Muzer: I understand your point and don't disagree with it |
| 16:50.44 | einar77_work | I mean, I am perfectly happy with this ;) |
| 16:50.59 | einar77_work | (and compared to the horrors I see daily in code...) |
| 16:51.02 | Muzer | I mean, again, apologies for the comparisons, but it's the sort of thinking that made KDE4.0 so widely panned. I apologise for my wording, I'm just so upset that it appears my favourite desktop environment might be regressing into its past behaviour |
| 16:51.35 | Muzer | and I'm also upset that I just had to spend ages fixing my Thunderbird config |
| 16:51.44 | Muzer | because it got horribly confused when I tried to add a mail account with no HDD space left ;) |
| 16:51.50 | Muzer | (obviously not KDE's fault) |
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| 16:54.28 | Sho_ | Muzer: I think there's an argument to make that indexing should be optional mainly because I agree that making the trade of between power usage and having an index is clearly in the domain of user preference because there's some inherent cost to indexing on prevalent current hw |
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| 16:56.34 | salamanderrake | in the KConfigGroup which writeEntry actually writes an entry and not calls writeEntry ? |
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| 16:59.56 | salamanderrake | ok I found it, its in the header |
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| 17:01.33 | Muzer | anyway, apologies for my conduct. I think it's saying something though, I mean, I don't remember the last time software made me this angry. |
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| 17:02.59 | einar77_work | Muzer: when you work in academia and see software for research, you get angry much more frequently ;) |
| 17:03.01 | salamanderrake | ok writeEntry calls inline writeEntry which calls inline writeCheck which again calls writeEntry which calls inline writeEntry which calls writeCheck.....etc. |
| 17:03.09 | salamanderrake | where does it end? |
| 17:03.56 | einar77_work | salamanderrake: you may want to ask on #kde-devel or a mailing list |
| 17:04.14 | einar77_work | are you using kdelibs, or kconfig (KF5)? |
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| 17:07.39 | Muzer | einar77_work: I have a great story from my friend who was working on C verification, he discovered that a load of things in the software were based on the (non-existent) concept of arrays of void, which the other people in his team were less than willing to change as it broke all their tests :p |
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| 17:10.26 | salamanderrake | einar77_work: which ever one kdevplatform uses |
| 17:10.32 | salamanderrake | 1.7.* |
| 17:10.37 | einar77_work | kdelibs it is |
| 17:10.47 | salamanderrake | ok |
| 17:10.52 | einar77_work | shoot a mail to kde-devel then, it's probably best if you don't get a realtime response |
| 17:10.57 | einar77_work | but do ask in #kde-devel too |
| 17:11.03 | salamanderrake | ok |
| 17:11.09 | einar77_work | also #kdevelop, if your enquiry is kdevplatform-related |
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| 17:12.50 | dcmst | hi, in plasma 5 is it possible to have a separate plasmoid set for the dashboard? |
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| 17:28.18 | brallan | Hi. I'm using Plasma 5. Yesterday I added some folders to "Places" in Dolphin. Today, they disappeared. Do you have the same issue? |
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| 17:33.03 | d_ed | brallan: it's an issue that's been reported and hopefully fixed |
| 17:35.45 | brallan | d_ed: I was looking for a similar report in KDE bugs. Do you have the link? |
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| 20:34.07 | Mtik1 | hello |
| 20:34.43 | Mtik1 | How can I see all hardware without installed driver |
| 20:34.47 | Mtik1 | some command please |
| 20:35.04 | Mtik1 | Ifconfig don't detect my wifi card |
| 20:35.15 | Mtik1 | but i don't know name of card |
| 20:35.39 | Mtik1 | on Windows i have program everest who can tell card name |
| 20:35.57 | Mtik1 | what is command in linux for that? |
| 20:36.34 | blur | for a start "lspci" for pci card, "lsusb" for usb dongle |
| 20:37.08 | Mtik1 | Intel pro 2200BG |
| 20:37.21 | Mtik1 | Backtrack 5 dont have driver for this card? |
| 20:37.38 | Mtik1 | tnx blur |
| 20:37.47 | Mtik1 | i finde card name |
| 20:38.17 | Mtik1 | Blur, can I install driver on Backtrack? |
| 20:38.25 | Mtik1 | how? |
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| 20:39.21 | blur | cant help u on this issue .. look here for kernel support |
| 20:39.22 | blur | https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers |
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| 20:40.31 | blur | if its listed and you have a up to date kernel then u alredy have the driver installed |
| 20:41.28 | Mtik1 | ipw2200 is for my card Intel pro 2200BG? |
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| 20:41.50 | Mtik1 | i have internet via LAN card |
| 20:42.02 | Mtik1 | how can i download driver direct? |
| 20:42.05 | Mtik1 | some command |
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| 20:43.01 | blur | it wont work like in windows .. u should further ask in the backtrack forums / read in the wiki |
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| 20:43.30 | Mtik1 | blur bt 5 is KDE |
| 20:43.36 | Mtik1 | bassed on KDE |
| 20:44.16 | blur | KDE is a desktop environment, the interface you see |
| 20:44.51 | blur | it wont drive your hardware |
| 20:45.12 | Mtik1 | some link |
| 20:45.18 | Mtik1 | how can i install driver |
| 20:45.38 | Mtik1 | some application who can automatical download and install drivers |
| 20:45.42 | Mtik1 | ? |
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| 20:46.19 | saptech | Mtik1, you can try installing it from the repository, using BT package manager, I assume |
| 20:46.32 | blur | like i said, it wont work like in windows.. there are possibilities that u can download it from package sources |
| 20:46.39 | blur | yes |
| 20:47.43 | saptech | I'm not sure what distro is BT based on or what the package manager it uses |
| 20:47.51 | blur | there is a wiki for BT http://www.backtrack-linux.org/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Drivers |
| 20:48.53 | saptech | that link is probably the best bet to try |
| 20:49.06 | blur | since it seems like u are a novice u should start with more common distributions like debian, mint or suse |
| 20:49.58 | blur | chances are higher there that everything is working out of box |
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| 20:59.36 | Mtik1 | Blur |
| 20:59.37 | Mtik1 | http://www.mendrugox.net/2011/10/make-ipw2200-works-in-bt5/ |
| 20:59.45 | Mtik1 | Works good :) |
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| 21:04.37 | saptech | Mtik1, so you have it working? |
| 21:06.22 | Mtik1 | I have install it |
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| 21:06.36 | Mtik1 | now, when i type: airmon-ng |
| 21:06.39 | Mtik1 | i see |
| 21:06.47 | Mtik1 | eth1 Intell+ 2200bg |
| 21:06.56 | Mtik1 | i think is work |
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| 21:08.30 | Mtik1 | blur |
| 21:08.46 | Mtik1 | command for show all wireless ap in radius? |
| 21:09.32 | blur | afaik iwlist |
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| 21:10.09 | Mtik1 | i found |
| 21:10.12 | blur | be sure u dont do something illegal .. smells like ckracking tools |
| 21:10.15 | Mtik1 | airodump-ng |
| 21:10.23 | Mtik1 | works |
| 21:10.26 | Mtik1 | :) |
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| 21:10.40 | Mtik1 | blur |
| 21:10.50 | Mtik1 | how can i share wireless internet |
| 21:10.53 | Mtik1 | on lan |
| 21:10.54 | Mtik1 | ? |
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| 21:13.03 | blur | dont know how to do it with console commands .. |
| 21:13.09 | blur | give this a try |
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| 21:13.10 | blur | http://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet |
| 21:13.18 | ochurlaud | Mtik1 Even if you use BT, you can read the documentation of Debian for those things. It explains everyting really good |
| 21:13.29 | ochurlaud | Or ubuntu =D |
| 21:13.33 | blur | ;) |
| 21:14.14 | ochurlaud | Mtik1 are you sure to be ready for penetration and other security stuff? |
| 21:14.22 | ochurlaud | (no offense, just asking) |
| 21:15.12 | Mtik1 | ochularlaud |
| 21:15.13 | Mtik1 | no |
| 21:15.20 | Mtik1 | i have very old laptop |
| 21:15.23 | Mtik1 | DELL d600 |
| 21:15.47 | Mtik1 | and I want recive internet via wifi |
| 21:15.54 | Mtik1 | and share on lan card |
| 21:15.56 | ochurlaud | Because BT is designed for this.... Maybe a Archlinux or LXDE can be really easier |
| 21:16.01 | Mtik1 | I know |
| 21:16.23 | Mtik1 | ochurlaud what is good distro for me |
| 21:16.28 | Mtik1 | who can automatical detect |
| 21:16.32 | Mtik1 | my wifi card |
| 21:16.38 | Mtik1 | Intel 2200bg |
| 21:16.47 | Mtik1 | GUI distro... |
| 21:16.59 | Mtik1 | Ubuntu? |
| 21:17.04 | ochurlaud | I don't really know it's always a huge debate that depends a lot on what you like |
| 21:17.28 | Mtik1 | but i need older version for this laptop |
| 21:17.35 | ochurlaud | If you're computer is really old, Ubuntu/Kubuntu and those distrib will be very heavy |
| 21:18.21 | ochurlaud | lxde, xfce are designed for computers with low memory/processors. |
| 21:18.44 | ochurlaud | Mtik1 did you have it worked on you laptop ? Do you have the wifi on you BT ? |
| 21:18.58 | Mtik1 | dell 1.4 intel pentium with 1mb cash, 1GB ddr1 |
| 21:19.03 | Mtik1 | i need live distro |
| 21:19.20 | ochurlaud | yes but did it worked wit BT ? |
| 21:19.26 | ochurlaud | with* |
| 21:20.45 | ochurlaud | Mtik1 ? |
| 21:21.19 | Mtik1 | works |
| 21:21.21 | Mtik1 | good |
| 21:21.37 | ochurlaud | Then stay with it ! |
| 21:21.53 | ochurlaud | A good distrib is a distrib you can work with =D |
| 21:22.24 | Mtik1 | hehehee |
| 21:22.43 | Mtik1 | this distro is for people who want be hacker |
| 21:22.45 | Mtik1 | ;) |
| 21:22.55 | ochurlaud | However be aware that using it in production is not very good because it's not supported anymore |
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| 21:23.10 | Mtik1 | before 10 years i try first version of backtrack |
| 21:23.30 | ochurlaud | so documentation will slowly diseapper and the software are realy not updated |
| 21:23.49 | blur | but dont throw linux if u encounter many problems in BT.. just try a more popular distri |
| 21:23.52 | Mtik1 | backtrack have very good tools for penetration test |
| 21:24.03 | Mtik1 | like a metasploit :) |
| 21:24.06 | Mtik1 | rubby |
| 21:24.08 | Mtik1 | :) |
| 21:24.46 | Mtik1 | bactrack 2 is based on debian |
| 21:24.50 | Mtik1 | and for me |
| 21:24.54 | Mtik1 | is the best version |
| 21:25.32 | ochurlaud | ok hope i helped (kali is the new penetration thing, based on debian too but it's off topic) |
| 21:26.07 | Mtik1 | All linux distro's can be backtrack |
| 21:26.15 | Mtik1 | you can install manual tools |
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| 21:38.03 | osa1 | any ideas how do I replace knotify4 with some other program? |
| 21:38.16 | osa1 | I also want notify-send to call that other program |
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| 21:38.57 | svuorela | osa1: knotify4 likely isn't the component you want to replace. |
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| 21:39.26 | osa1 | svuorela: why? I'm using i3 and I want to use dunst for notifications |
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| 21:40.37 | svuorela | osa1: knotify4 for popup notifications is mostly about rewriting a internal KDE dbus protocol to the more public org.freedesktop.Notifications protocol. |
| 21:41.12 | svuorela | osa1: just make sure that your 'thing' is either started, or able to be dbus autostarted, and it should just work[tm] |
| 21:41.30 | osa1 | do you have any links about the dbus thing |
| 21:41.47 | svuorela | what dbus thing ? |
| 21:42.01 | osa1 | how do I autostart it using dbus? |
| 21:42.15 | osa1 | btw, if you know how to make knotify window always floating in i3, that would also solve my problem |
| 21:42.26 | osa1 | it's not like I don't like it, I just couldn't make it floating |
| 21:42.42 | svuorela | the knotify window should only be shown if there is no org.freedesktop.Notifications thing around. |
| 21:43.00 | svuorela | (and by knotify window, I guess you mean the kpassivepopup?) |
| 21:43.51 | osa1 | I mean the window that pops up when a notification is sent. (e.g. notify-send "blah") |
| 21:44.05 | osa1 | what's name of it? maybe I'm using wrong name and that's why it's not floating in i3 |
| 21:44.05 | svuorela | can you show a screenshot? |
| 21:44.38 | osa1 | that's the most standard KDE thing ever. the thing that pops up in the right bottom corner by default |
| 21:44.39 | svuorela | https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/D-Bus/Autostart_Services is about autostarting, but mostly for developers. |
| 21:45.15 | svuorela | http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/kpassivepopup.png -- that thing ? |
| 21:45.36 | osa1 | is this for KDE 1? :p |
| 21:45.41 | osa1 | yeah I guess that one but for up-to-date KDE |
| 21:46.11 | svuorela | the popup knotify delivers when it can't find a Notification-daemon looks like that, even nowadays. |
| 21:46.32 | svuorela | osa1: are you running a plasma desktop ? |
| 21:46.36 | osa1 | svuorela: yes |
| 21:46.51 | svuorela | aha. |
| 21:47.03 | svuorela | then just remove teh notification thing from your plasma panel |
| 21:47.14 | svuorela | and start your alternate notification manager. |
| 21:48.06 | svuorela | or just ensure that 'dunst' is started before plasma desktop |
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| 21:49.49 | osa1 | I don't have this file but would it work if I create it: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service ? |
| 21:50.32 | svuorela | if you create it with a proper content, and disable plasma's handling of application notifications, yes. |
| 21:50.46 | svuorela | or if you just disable plasma's handlig of application notifications, and manually start ... dunst. |
| 21:51.10 | svuorela | to see how to disable application notifications, see half way thru this page: http://agateau.com/projects/colibri/setup/ |
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| 21:54.06 | osa1 | I have no ideas which version of KDE is this but my panel doesn't have that option. ("notification settings") |
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| 22:08.23 | acerspyro | Plasma 5 crashes WAYYYY too often, when I log in, something crashes about 2/3rd of the time |
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| 22:08.48 | acerspyro | Be it kwin, kglobalaccel, plasma, kcminit or whatever else |
| 22:10.19 | d_ed | acerspyro: which distro? |
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| 22:12.38 | Linnak | Hi, does anyone know a good still working osx leopard or lion theme? yoshemite not good |
| 22:13.00 | acerspyro | d_ed: OpenSUSE Tumbleweed |
| 22:13.34 | acerspyro | Linnak: If you can't find any GOOD themes, make your own, the community will appreciate it. But check first. |
| 22:14.00 | Linnak | i don't know how to do that |
| 22:14.12 | Linnak | where can i find a manual? |
| 22:14.52 | acerspyro | Linnak: probably online |
| 22:15.07 | Linnak | you are a very helpful guy |
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| 22:15.20 | acerspyro | I am sorry about that |
| 22:15.50 | acerspyro | Only reason I can give is that Winter makes it hard for me to breathe, so I'm just trying to stay conscious :P |
| 22:17.02 | acerspyro | ok I feel better, let me help you |
| 22:17.26 | acerspyro | Linnak: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/?content=166116 |
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| 22:19.39 | acerspyro | Linnak: Is that what you want? |
| 22:20.03 | Linnak | that's the only which I didn't want. |
| 22:20.15 | acerspyro | oh |
| 22:20.20 | Linnak | i would like the old styles |
| 22:20.29 | acerspyro | old styles? |
| 22:20.31 | Linnak | leopard |
| 22:20.37 | Linnak | not yosemite |
| 22:20.39 | acerspyro | Oh |
| 22:20.48 | acerspyro | You said yoshemite, I thought it was the name of a theme for yosemite |
| 22:20.55 | acerspyro | so I googled for yosemite |
| 22:20.57 | acerspyro | :P |
| 22:21.11 | Linnak | so it was a missunderstood |
| 22:21.47 | acerspyro | this one doesn't fit the OS X theme http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=168306&file1=168306-1.jpg&file2=168306-2.jpg&file3=&name=OSX+theme+package |
| 22:21.57 | acerspyro | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/OSX+theme+package?content=168306 |
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| 22:22.22 | acerspyro | there's a QtCurve theme http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QtCurve+Mac+OS+X+Theme?content=158582 |
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| 22:23.40 | Linnak | I've tried the second one. Skinx doesn't because of a unsolveable dependency |
| 22:24.02 | acerspyro | It's for QtCurve, you got that part? |
| 22:24.17 | Linnak | i try the other one |
| 22:24.33 | Linnak | yes the only way is with qtcurve nowdays |
| 22:24.38 | Linnak | thanks |
| 22:24.59 | acerspyro | Not really, it's just that QtCurve offers more flexibility |
| 22:25.00 | acerspyro | np |
| 22:25.27 | Linnak | at the moment the closest is bart osx qtcurve theme with elementary color scheme |
| 22:25.37 | Linnak | but is far away from georgeous |
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| 22:25.57 | acerspyro | Make your own, let me give you a link on making your own |
| 22:26.10 | acerspyro | You will have to learn to use SVG editors like Inkscape |
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| 22:28.04 | acerspyro | Linnak: https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma4/Theme |
| 22:28.11 | acerspyro | plasma theme |
| 22:29.20 | Linnak | ok thanks. the last one which you linked is actually not so bad |
| 22:29.24 | acerspyro | Linnak: oh look what's this? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=122763 |
| 22:29.56 | Linnak | cool |
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| 22:48.27 | acerspyro | Where would I send SDDM requests? |
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| 22:57.31 | acerspyro | where do I change the sddm theme, it seems to have switched to some random theme |
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| 23:05.34 | acerspyro | What's the product called "frameworks-frameworkintegration" in the bug tracker? |
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| 23:08.17 | demm | acerspyro: https://projects.kde.org/projects/frameworks/frameworkintegration |
| 23:09.07 | acerspyro | demm: so a wishlist report about SDDM integrating with the style would go there? |
| 23:09.54 | demm | acerspyro: sddm is here https://github.com/sddm/sddm |
| 23:10.01 | acerspyro | ok |
| 23:10.18 | acerspyro | Is it dedicated to KDE? |
| 23:10.25 | demm | no |
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| 23:13.04 | acerspyro | ok opened an issue there, thanks |
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| 23:25.18 | demm | acerspyro: you are looking for this one https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/sddm-kcm |
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