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| 13:04.36 | blueyed | Setting the cursor shape in Konsole resets/changes the profile to the first one: printf '\e]50;CursorShape=0;BlinkingCursorEnabled=1\x7' |
| 13:04.40 | blueyed | Is this expected? |
| 13:04.50 | blueyed | konsole 4:4.13.3-0ubuntu0.1 |
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| 13:21.22 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 13:59.20 | tripanarium | Is there any tutorial to setup an hotmail account in telepathy? Or it's not possible to do it? |
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| 14:15.48 | veek | is there any chance of getting an olvwm-like Window Manager for kde |
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| 14:25.26 | tomboy64 | in kde5, where can i turn off that it wants to log me out when pressing the power button? |
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| 14:27.51 | tomboy64 | optimally it would just password-protect the machine or put it into suspend. but that is something i can wait for and work around by using udev-scripts. |
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| 14:31.19 | BlaXpirit | tomboy64, in kde 4 it's in power settings |
| 14:31.23 | BlaXpirit | shouldn't be too different |
| 14:31.42 | BlaXpirit | i search for "power" to find it |
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| 14:31.55 | BlaXpirit | don't know the exact english name, because it's translated |
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| 14:34.56 | tripanarium | Is there any tutorial to setup an hotmail account in telepathy? Or it's not possible to do it? |
| 14:38.43 | BlaXpirit | tripanarium, ... |
| 14:39.21 | BlaXpirit | tripanarium, is that messaging or email? |
| 14:39.48 | BlaXpirit | the "mail" part is confusing, and i don't even know what telepathy can do these days |
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| 14:42.09 | tripanarium | BlaXpirit: Kmail is working with all my accounts but since "they" say that kopete is unmaintained I decided to install telepathy. It works with gmail, facebook, bonjour but I'm gettin' "network/connection problems" with me@hotmail.com (my account). |
| 14:44.01 | tripanarium | I'm trying to ask to #kde-telepathy but it seems that the "boys" are busy... |
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| 14:49.03 | gpe | are the hotmail accounts not using skype? |
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| 15:11.38 | soydemadrid | hi can anyone please help. I'm running kubuntu and it's been working great with plasma5. did an upgrade yesterday and now I just have a black screen with a mouse when I log in. I can press ctrl and f2 for commands but no applications load up... |
| 15:15.11 | BluesKaj | soydemadrid, sudo service lightdm start, if that gives no response, then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, then start lightdm again |
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| 15:16.42 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: Hi thanks for helping. That command though just gives me lightdm: unrecognised service |
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| 15:17.23 | BluesKaj | soydemadrid, ok substitute kdm in the command |
| 15:17.31 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: I do get a login etc when I boot and it logs me in but then the K logo screen appears and the progress bar does not move. Eventually the screen just goes black and a mouse is there but nothing else |
| 15:18.00 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: I think I'm using sddm, I'll try that |
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| 15:18.14 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: ah it just says it is already running. |
| 15:18.18 | BluesKaj | soydemadrid, on plasma 5? |
| 15:18.28 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: yes on plasma 5 |
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| 15:19.02 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: it's been working fantastic until I did an update yesterday, now when I login all is black... |
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| 15:19.13 | BluesKaj | did you update and upgrade, soydemadrid? |
| 15:19.23 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: yes that's what I did |
| 15:19.24 | tripanarium | gpe: sorry for delate... donno but telepathy has two ways to set an msn account (none works with me!) |
| 15:19.27 | BluesKaj | just now? |
| 15:19.42 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: yes also tried since it broke, it hasn't helped... |
| 15:20.34 | BluesKaj | soydemadrid, did you try the recovery kernel? |
| 15:21.19 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: ok great idea, just trying now |
| 15:21.49 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: do I try 'Repair broken packages'? |
| 15:21.56 | BluesKaj | yes |
| 15:22.05 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: ok trying now |
| 15:23.07 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: no still the same unfortunately. I'll try booting in an older kernel |
| 15:23.21 | BluesKaj | soydemadrid, then, run sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 15:23.34 | BluesKaj | in the root shell |
| 15:25.10 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: older kernel just crashed completely and didn't make it to login. I'll try dpkg now... |
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| 15:26.30 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: Hi just also done that and still just have a black screen with a mouse pointer. The mouse is in the new Breeze theme style |
| 15:27.24 | BluesKaj | soydemadrid, try installing lightdm, then starting it ...sddm has some problems |
| 15:27.31 | gpe | tripanarium: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ie/messenger/messenger-to-skype |
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| 15:28.39 | tripanarium | thx gpe. |
| 15:28.40 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: ok will give it a go |
| 15:30.43 | soydemadrid | BluesKaj: Hi the problem seems to be with the desktop not the login manager, as light dm also takes me into a kog with a progress bar that doesn't move then just the black screen with the mouse again... |
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| 16:48.44 | _hardik | how do i configure project in Qt from my source directory using CMakeList.txt file ? How do I change build directory ? |
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| 16:58.24 | KNERD | in the lower panel of KDE..how do we change the colors. The color contrast between the panel and icons is HORRIBLE and very hard to read. |
| 16:59.57 | rdieter | KNERD: that's part of the plasma desktop theme, systemsettings->workspace appearance->desktop theme , to choose alternatives |
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| 17:02.42 | KNERD | rdieter: so in other words..no..thanks |
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| 17:03.21 | KNERD | the thing is I have Plastik chosen |
| 17:03.35 | rdieter | KNERD: if you look, there's a "details" tab, where you can change individual elements too |
| 17:03.53 | rdieter | ie, you can pull in the panel element from some other theme |
| 17:04.40 | KNERD | thanks a bunch |
| 17:04.43 | rdieter | the sources for the theme elements are all svg's, so not particularly simple to just "change the color" |
| 17:05.01 | rdieter | unless you're into svg editing :) |
| 17:05.26 | KNERD | hey..i could do that! |
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| 18:18.38 | arvut | can konlose's profiles be exported and uploaded to some collective database like the wallpapers and themes can be? |
| 18:18.51 | arvut | s/konlose/konsole/ |
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| 18:36.26 | rdieter | theoretically, they're just files in ~/.kde/share/apps/konsole/ |
| 18:37.11 | rdieter | but currently, no, I don't think konsole supports the same integration with GHNS and kde-apps.org that way |
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| 20:03.20 | jfmcarreira | heyy guys |
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| 20:03.55 | jfmcarreira | is there plans to port kile in any time soon? i am just wondering if i should wait or find a around arround for my distro |
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| 20:18.58 | rdieter | jfmcarreira: "port kile" means what? |
| 20:19.05 | rdieter | to kf5? |
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| 20:20.06 | demm | jfmcarreira: kile is ported |
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| 20:21.05 | jfmcarreira | demm: are you sure? i cannot build it correctly |
| 20:21.11 | jfmcarreira | or at least it doesnt run properly |
| 20:21.24 | demm | builds and runs here fine for about 2 months :) |
| 20:21.35 | jfmcarreira | demm: which OS? |
| 20:21.43 | jfmcarreira | demm: now i am getting very curious |
| 20:21.49 | demm | small, unknown :) |
| 20:21.55 | demm | KaOS |
| 20:22.09 | jfmcarreira | demm: i am using gentoo |
| 20:22.21 | rdieter | jfmcarreira: using frameworks branch? |
| 20:22.24 | jfmcarreira | demm: but i tried to build it outside portage by hand with no luck |
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| 20:22.40 | jfmcarreira | frameworks 5.4 |
| 20:22.41 | rdieter | wow, requires cmake-3.0.0 already |
| 20:23.00 | rdieter | jfmcarreira: I mean kile's frameworks branch (instead of master/) |
| 20:23.01 | jfmcarreira | rdieter: cmake 3.0.2 |
| 20:23.42 | demm | jfmcarreira: if it is any help https://github.com/KaOSx/apps/blob/master/kile/PKGBUILD |
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| 20:24.06 | jfmcarreira | rdieter: yeah frameworks branch |
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| 20:24.33 | jfmcarreira | demm: maybe i need some configs in cmake |
| 20:24.33 | rdieter | ah, I bet, sed -e "s/ADD_SUBDIRECTORY( symbols-ng )/#ADD_SUBDIRECTORY( symbols-ng )/" -i ${srcdir}/$pkgname/src/data/CMakeLists.txt |
| 20:25.13 | rdieter | jfmcarreira: KaOS patches that, maybe you should try that too |
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| 20:25.35 | demm | symbols-ng fails here |
| 20:25.48 | demm | not ported, needs kde 4 parts |
| 20:25.51 | jfmcarreira | rdieter: yeah i noticed it. i will try to make the same here |
| 20:26.23 | jfmcarreira | demm: i ported it. or at least changed ebuild and disabled okular but no luck |
| 20:26.34 | jfmcarreira | demm: builded but no functionallity |
| 20:26.38 | jfmcarreira | demm: i will try again |
| 20:26.48 | demm | why disable okular? |
| 20:27.39 | jfmcarreira | demm: it was giving an error |
| 20:27.53 | demm | frameworks build okular? |
| 20:28.34 | jfmcarreira | it is not building. okular_export error |
| 20:28.38 | jfmcarreira | http://dpaste.com/2TJF8AY |
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| 20:33.41 | jfmcarreira | if i remove live preview it should work |
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| 20:46.02 | jfmcarreira | i builded it but it doesnt work |
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| 21:15.04 | Naphatul | does konversation not support secure sasl authentication? |
| 21:15.13 | Sho_ | It does |
| 21:15.17 | Naphatul | i set it to sasl but it logs in with plain where as other clients use dh-blowfish |
| 21:15.36 | Sho_ | oh, you mean that |
| 21:15.42 | Sho_ | no, it only supports PLAIN |
| 21:16.06 | Naphatul | isn't it a bit pointless? |
| 21:16.38 | Sho_ | No, the main point of SASL is to give IRC a reliable protocol to negotiate authentication before connection processing and with known success and failure modes |
| 21:16.48 | Sho_ | Before SASL, there was no race-free way to authenticate |
| 21:17.19 | Sho_ | dh-blowfish otoh is kinda redundant with combining SASL PLAIN auth with TLS |
| 21:17.33 | r_rios | So, after a driver update, I had kwin fall back to XRender. But the problem is that Brezze under XRender is too translucent: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/10/too_translucent.png |
| 21:18.07 | r_rios | Then I thought that maybe kwin "thinks" blur is activated, thus making the desktop theme that transparent |
| 21:18.32 | Sho_ | r_rios: The transparency level is baked into the SVGs |
| 21:18.48 | r_rios | But I couldn't find the Blur option in the control panel in order to "disable" it |
| 21:18.49 | Sho_ | r_rios: And unfortunately they're pretty much designed on the assumption the contrast-enhancing and blur effects are on |
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| 21:19.47 | r_rios | Uh, weren't the themes made more opaque when blur was off before? |
| 21:19.48 | Sho_ | Naphatul: That's not to say adding dh-blowfish might not be nice for completeness' sake (ironically Konvi already does dh1080 keyexchange and Blowfish for FiSH/mircryption compat) |
| 21:20.10 | Sho_ | r_rios: No, the themes ship elements in two versions, an "opague" version used when compositing is off, and the normal version used any other time |
| 21:20.27 | Sho_ | r_rios: So XRender sits in the middle as a "bad case" since Breeze is designed for contrast enhance and blur |
| 21:21.43 | r_rios | Yeah, but I remember that Air had the fully opaque version, the more translucent version for when blur was enabled and an "intermediate" version, not completely opaque, but just enough to make things more readable |
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| 21:22.35 | Sho_ | r_rios: IIRC we shipped two versions of Air, Air and "Air Netbook" and it's possible you remember that second one |
| 21:22.43 | r_rios | No, no |
| 21:22.45 | Sho_ | r_rios: But the theme system itself has no way to be smart about blur |
| 21:22.53 | r_rios | You didn't have to change the theme |
| 21:23.17 | r_rios | It was the same theme |
| 21:24.31 | r_rios | Maybe I'll check that out later, but I'm almost sure there Air could handle those situations |
| 21:24.33 | Naphatul | ok then next question, how can i make the taskbar non transparent? |
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| 21:25.24 | Sho_ | Naphatul: Your options are switching to a theme with a non-transparent taskbar or disabling compositing |
| 21:25.42 | Sho_ | r_rios: I'm almost sure it couldn't, and I work on Plasma -- but admittedly not directly on theming |
| 21:26.33 | r_rios | I only made the question because I wanted to know if I should report a bug or if that was expected behavior. |
| 21:26.38 | r_rios | Thanks for the input anyway |
| 21:27.20 | Sho_ | r_rios: I'd consider it a bug that the experience degrates with a technically-supported compositing mode |
| 21:27.26 | Sho_ | *degrades |
| 21:28.10 | Sho_ | r_rios: On the other hand, making the theming system even more complex and creating more asset versions to test and maintain for an edge case is not attractive |
| 21:28.21 | Sho_ | r_rios: It might be one of those "we'd do it if we had enough manpower" kinda things |
| 21:28.39 | r_rios | I understand |
| 21:28.58 | r_rios | But couldn't you simply use the non-compositing version when under XRender? |
| 21:29.08 | Sho_ | r_rios: But I'm actually reading the code right now and it might be that you know better than I did after all |
| 21:29.23 | r_rios | Heh :) |
| 21:29.32 | r_rios | So, I was right, after all? |
| 21:29.53 | Sho_ | r_rios: It looks like in addition to the opague fallback and normal versions, themes *can* override the normal versions of elements with a special "translucent" version that is used when KWindowEffects::isEffectAvailable(KWindowEffects::BlurBehind) returns true |
| 21:30.17 | Sho_ | r_rios: And the air theme does ship translucent/dialogs/background.svgz and a few others |
| 21:30.31 | r_rios | But Breeze doesn't |
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| 21:31.15 | Sho_ | r_rios: Actually Breeze does too |
| 21:31.32 | Sho_ | r_rios: So that means (a) either those translucent versions aren't very good or (b) there's a code bug and they're not getting used |
| 21:32.00 | r_rios | I think it's (b) |
| 21:32.04 | Sho_ | r_rios: Perhaps (b) takes the form of not reacting at runtime when the effect gets disabled |
| 21:32.08 | Sho_ | r_rios: You could try quitting plasmashell, deleting the binary theme cache file and restarting it |
| 21:32.29 | r_rios | Where's that cache file at? |
| 21:32.56 | Sho_ | r_rios: that would be - careful, now your desktop and panel disappear - kquitapp5 plasmashell, followed by going to ~/.cache and deleting plasma_theme*, and then plasmashell |
| 21:35.30 | Sho_ | Naphatul: I wrote the SASL code in Konvi btw, I'm not opposed to adding dh-blowfish, just haven't gotten around to it |
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| 21:58.50 | r_rios | Hey, Sho_. plasmashell crashed after I did that. Maybe because I had updated my driver? Anyway, I had to reboot and everything is fine again (I have the contrast thing enabled now, which is really what makes all the difference, not so much the blur). |
| 21:59.23 | Sho_ | r_rios: ah, ok |
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| 22:26.22 | jfmcarreira | heyy guys. any public server with kde frameworks 5.5 available' |
| 22:26.23 | jfmcarreira | ? |
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| 22:38.33 | Naphatul | so i set my default browser to firefox but links still open in knoqueror, any ideas? |
| 22:40.27 | Naphatul | ok it seems i needed to change it in default applications too, weird |
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| 23:13.28 | Papierkorb | Evening. Can someone tell me how I can change the color palette used by application using D-Bus (or whatever, as long I can use a bash script) |
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| 23:27.44 | thiago | Papierkorb: you can't do that via D-Bus |
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| 23:30.44 | Papierkorb | thiago: And there's no other interface? Some C++ API at least? |
| 23:31.07 | thiago | yes, you can setPalette on the widgets and such |
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| 23:31.21 | Papierkorb | Of course, but I want to change the palette system-wide |
| 23:31.40 | thiago | Papierkorb: use systemsettings |
| 23:31.49 | Papierkorb | Programmatically |
| 23:31.53 | thiago | configuring the colours has been possible since before 1.0 |
| 23:31.55 | thiago | see what it does |
| 23:32.08 | thiago | probably write to a config file and the send an event to tell all applications to reload |
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