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02:07.28AndrzejLSMPlayer is a candidate for project of the month at SF. You can vote at https://sourceforge.net/p/potm/discussion/vote/thread/9e3612d7/ … sending a post with the line: VOTE: smplayer
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04:01.34EtzosIs there any way to recover a deleted connection when it was deleted from the new Connection editor (connection editor v0.)?
04:01.55Etzos*0.9.3.4, NM v0.9.10.1
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08:29.01Th3R0banybody know where kde stores what file is used as wallpaper?
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08:38.06jfd5teTh3R0b: $HOME/.kde/share/wallpapers/
08:40.02Guest73224~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktoprc
08:41.20Guest73224or even ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc :v
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09:03.18lordievaderGood morning.
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09:10.11LinnakHi, I'm using the classical menu. Whenever Å°I change destop theme the menu stays gray. How can I change just the color of the menu?
09:11.01xmorphLinnak: it would be changed after restarting kde
09:11.17LinnakI'll try it.
09:12.47LinnakIt stays the same
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09:14.04xmorphLinnak: weird
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09:18.00LinnakWhen you want to change the color of the menu, where do you do that?
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09:21.13xmorphLinnak: you can't change only menu color
09:21.55xmorphyou can change theme color when you go to Application Appearance -> Colors
09:22.19LinnakAll right. Thanks
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10:52.56BluesKajHiyas all
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11:54.31fpshi, is there a way to restart the panel and all the widgets in it?"
11:54.45fpsafter a few weeks of continous operation the desktop pager starts to do weird things
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11:55.08fpsi.e. you click on a desktop and it doesn't switch to it, but rather moves windows around on different desktops
11:55.14fpslogging out and back in fixes it
11:55.20fpsbut i'd rather not
11:57.41Guest73224fps: kquitapp plasma-desktop and start it again
11:57.50fpsGuest73224: oh cool. ty
11:57.56Guest73224though i haven't noticed that behavior :c
11:58.21fpsGuest73224: that worked nicely
11:58.45fpsGuest73224: i think it might have been triggered this time by quake3 initially going fullscreen
11:58.58fpswhich confuses kwin [multiple monitor setup]
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11:59.51fps"confuses" as in: after exiting the full screen app all windows were on the wrong monitor, etc..
11:59.57fpsubuntu 14.04 here
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12:37.20ToxicFrogIs there a "zoom to fit window" feature in KDE anywhere?
12:37.52ToxicFrogI play some windowed games that run at really low resolutions, and it would be nice if I could zoom in so that the window fills the entire screen.
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14:52.10BraveStar____is there a setting to change what frame rate kwin does desktop effects at or is it tied to monitor refresh rate? I swore I saw something somewhere about it at one time but I'm having a hard time finding it
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14:54.14lordievaderBraveStar____: I suppose if you enable vsync it will use your monitors refresh rate.
14:56.01BraveStar____I was hoping to just bump it above and hope for 60+fps constantly
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15:47.00ln_for instance, I accidently moved my tray to the left but I doesn't go back right when I drag it there
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16:06.26BarbecueManHey, for some reason I have two notification pop ups poping up instead of one. Anyone knows how can I deal with it? my guess is that I had two monitors with two panels but now I only have one and for some reason it bugged out.
16:07.37BarbecueManI'm running linux mint kde by the way
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17:13.15shay_shayjust switched from LM kde to Kubuntu
17:14.01shay_shaykubuntu 14.10 beta 2 is more stable than Mint 17 KDE imo
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17:31.02baizonmint isnt good afterall
17:31.09baizonofc imo
17:32.44shay_shayno very buggy and... it looks amazing when testing it from livecd
17:32.56shay_shayafter youve used it for a few days then the issues come
17:33.32baizonbut also whats the point of using mint kde?
17:33.40baizonwhats the advantage ?
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17:35.42shay_shaynothing that i can see
17:36.17shay_shayi submitted a bug report against MDM because they havent implemented pam_kwallet.so
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17:37.50shay_shayNot happy i'm going to have to reinstall once a year but desktops dont hold up that long usually anyways
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17:38.17shay_shayso it only matters.. in my mind
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17:39.40shay_shayhows the plasma 5 preview
17:39.54shay_shaydaily driver ? or only for demo
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18:08.18Quantum`Anyone know why new windows always come up -behind- all other windows?
18:10.31shay_shayits a feature, not a bug
18:11.00Quantum`pfff.  I remember when you could set focus-stealing prevention, and it worked.
18:11.40shay_shayi'm just kidding i have no idea.
18:11.53shay_shayi never had that happen yet
18:12.06shay_shayi'm a kde noob/troll
18:12.30Quantum`Nevertheless, I think the issue is that it's busted.
18:13.55Quantum`Anyone know why KDE doesn't actually save my session on logout?  It's set to.  Used to do.
18:16.41shay_shayi dont know what the difference between activity and virtual desktops is
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18:17.17Quantum`Activity is new.  Idk either, and I've run K for 16 years..
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18:22.01emericEach activity has its own set of virtual desktops, all belonging to the same activity. If you suspend an activity because you are doing something else, all the activity's applications are suspended as…
18:22.02emeric… well, and won't use any resources until you resume the activity.
18:22.46Quantum`Like a chroot?
18:24.23Quantum`Is this why K can't remember sessions anymore?
18:24.38emericThat's a nice way of putting it, except activities can share more than just the CPU. You can attach some applications to several(or all) activities.
18:25.12emericMy KDE remembers sessions correctly. And it also remembers the state of the activities after restarting the system.
18:26.18Quantum`How did you make it do that?  SystemSettings|StartupShutdown|SessionManagement certainly doesn't do it.
18:26.53Quantum`Restore Previous Session is set, yet an old session from way back always comes up.
18:28.47emericRestore previous session does its job, as far as I can remember. Are you sure you didn't select something like "Restore saved session" instead?
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18:31.44Quantum`No such setting.  Clearly "Restore previous session" has the dot beside it.
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18:49.56rdieterQuantum`: there is a setting for that, it is "restore manually saved session", but that doesn't address why it isn't working for you.  maybe worth testing if manually saved works or not either
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18:51.17Quantum`rdieter: Ok, how do I manually save a session?
18:52.14rdieterQuantum`: in kickoff leave menu, you'll see a new choice there "Save session"
18:52.50rdieter(it appears only when "restore manually saved session" option is enabled)
18:53.07Quantum`Ah, I'll try it, thanks.
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19:05.10WoodenAndroidSo since my last arch update I think I broke KDE, here is my .xsession-errors when I try to run startx with startkde uncommented in .xinitrc : http://goo.gl/OlazHN
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19:16.21WoodenAndroidanyone know?
19:18.30shay_shaydamn kubuntu wont boot on my c720
19:18.40shay_shaybut mint will. my luck is bad
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19:24.18lordievadershay_shay: Why not?
19:24.31WoodenAndroidcan somebody please help me understand what this means?  /usr/bin/startkde: line 353:   494 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) kwrapper4 ksmserver $KDEWM $KSMSERVEROPTI$
19:24.57shay_shaylordievader: it instantly reboots
19:25.09lordievaderWoodenAndroid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault
19:25.20lordievadershay_shay: At what point?
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19:26.17shay_shaylordievader: at the very beginning, before the menu. i can get the menu to show up as soon as the post screen disappears, but if i select the first option "start kubuntu" then it instantly reboots again
19:26.45shay_shays/show up/show up if i press ESC/
19:26.54lordievaderSounds like a non existing kernel is selected.
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19:27.08shay_shayit boots on any other computer?
19:27.37lordievaderYou have the same grub+kernels across multiple computers?
19:27.49shay_shaysame exact version of kubuntu
19:27.51shay_shayyes
19:28.03shay_shaytwo other computers with the same usb stick as well
19:28.05lordievaderThat's hard to believe.
19:28.21shay_shayi just installed them this morning
19:28.39lordievadershay_shay: Anyhow, for starters remove the 'quiet splash' from the kernel parameters.
19:28.44WoodenAndroidso how can i stop ksmserver from getting a segmentation fault?
19:28.52shay_shaythis is the installer we're talking about lordievader
19:29.26lordievaderWoodenAndroid: Most likely you cant. It is either a bug, or something in the compilation went wrong.
19:29.52lordievadershay_shay: No the kernel parameters. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters
19:30.11WoodenAndroidSo how can I get kde to work again?
19:30.13shay_shaylordievader: i cant boot the install .iso
19:30.59lordievadershay_shay: Ah, I thought you had it installed...
19:31.00shay_shayi know i can edit the cmdline from isolinux, i was just making sure you new i wasnt talking about an already installed system
19:31.04WoodenAndroidI've already tried uninstalling kde and reinstalling kde
19:31.26shay_shaylordievader: sorry i should have been clearer about that
19:31.51lordievadershay_shay: So you get the menu, hit 'start kubuntu' and poof bios?
19:31.59shay_shayyep
19:32.18lordievadershay_shay: UEFI?
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19:32.48djznhow do I debug a 30 second freeze after KDE login (possibly related to sound)
19:33.08acerspyroIs Mplayer part of KDE's software collection?
19:33.16acerspyroIt plays music, but won't show up its window.
19:33.25lordievadershay_shay: Hmm, did other distro's/version do work?
19:33.35acerspyrodjzn: I'd love to know >.>
19:33.41lordievaderacerspyro: No, not for as far as I know. Besided it is a commandline player.
19:33.45lordievaderBesides*
19:33.49acerspyrolordievader: Oh? It is?
19:34.02shay_shayyeah lordievader xubuntu 14.04 worked, mint 17 worked, fedora 20 worked
19:34.04acerspyrololol, sowwy.
19:34.11igurdacerspyro: smplayer or vlc
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19:34.23djzni always get this freeze after installing KDE
19:34.24acerspyrohow do I debug a 30 second freeze after KDE login (possibly related to something random)
19:34.37lordievadershay_shay: Grab the mini iso and install the kubuntu-desktop package on top of it.
19:34.39acerspyrodjzn: I get login freezes and logout freezes.
19:34.57acerspyroigurd: Mplayer media player
19:35.04acerspyroOh, right, I remember installing it ages ago
19:35.05djznacerspyro, I'm sorry, are you being constructive or are you being ironic
19:35.13acerspyroit needs smplayer for the GUI
19:35.28acerspyrodjzn: Neither, I just really want to know how to debug it.
19:35.35shay_shaylordievader: actually i hear the current archlinux iso wont boot on this thing, something kernel related. i bet there is a connection. i saw a workaround on archwiki earlier today i will try it first
19:35.52djznacerspyro, do you also get this freeze
19:35.56acerspyroBut that's not my -main- issue, cuz if I was to deal with every issue, whew.
19:36.07acerspyrodjzn: I don't know what it's related to, tho, but yeah.
19:36.13acerspyroLog in and log out.
19:36.19djzni noticed that when the freeze finishes, the sound plays
19:36.38acerspyroIt hangs with a black wallpaper and the icons in the panel are in the middle of the animation where they move in
19:36.49acerspyroBy example, the notification area's icons are all stacked together.
19:37.01acerspyrodjzn: Me too
19:37.12djznmy freeze hangs after desktop is loaded, with wallpaper, etc, you just can't click the menu, it won't respond...
19:37.22acerspyroSame for log out, it hangs for maybe 30-40 seconds, then you hear the log out sound.
19:37.33acerspyroThen screen goes black and it hangs again for maybe a minute.
19:37.41djzni mean, i notice this bug since years....
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19:37.57djznmust be related to my hardware....
19:38.05acerspyrodjzn: Hm, I don't know anymore.
19:38.16acerspyroHappens on my tower and on my laptop
19:38.17djznare you on a AMD780/SB700 chipset
19:38.39acerspyrodjzn: Nope
19:38.44djzndo you have a EMU10k1 sound blaster chip
19:38.49acerspyrono
19:38.56djzndoesn't kde have a "dmesg" thing-alike
19:39.02acerspyroIntel HD audio on the laptop, and a via chip on my tower
19:39.12acerspyrodjzn: Else than that dbus spam?
19:39.18acerspyrolights up
19:39.20acerspyrooh
19:39.23acerspyromy
19:39.23acerspyrofucking god
19:39.29acerspyroI think I know what it is.
19:39.33acerspyroDBus connection hangings.
19:39.39acerspyroTHIS IS WHAT HANGS KDE ALL THE TiME
19:39.58acerspyroEvery single KDE program will wait nd halg for so long as they don't get a dbus reply.
19:40.04acerspyroand hang*
19:40.07djzn<PROTECTED>
19:40.12djznoh... that may be
19:40.16djznhow to trace this
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19:40.33acerspyrodjzn: My dbus got screwed up one day on my tower, and right-clicking to get the context menu in Dolphin took...
19:40.36acerspyro30 seconds.
19:40.41acerspyroOpening Dolphin... 1:30
19:40.46djznyeah, that is the TIME... 30 seconds...
19:40.46acerspyro^Three connections or so.
19:40.59acerspyrodjzn: 30 seconds is the timeout fordbus.
19:41.54djznwhere do we debug this... like with dmesg
19:42.02djznwhere do we see this hanging before our eyes
19:42.07acerspyroit's not dbus's fault ino, really. DBus is just a protocol for applications to talk to eachother. It is KDE that cannot handle a connection correctly, in, like, maybe,  separate thread?
19:42.30acerspyrodjzn: Just open a KDE app in your terminal with debugging on, let me remember how to enable debugging in KDE
19:43.06djznin my case it's a bit difficult, it happens right after login
19:43.16acerspyrodjzn: http://pastie.org/9602572
19:43.19djznit happens actually when I first click the "K" menu
19:43.35acerspyroThis is when I open Dolphin on my laptop
19:43.53acerspyroAnd, on my tower, god.
19:44.03acerspyroShitload of errors about dbus.
19:44.20acerspyroor, KDE jobs? That's via dbus too, I think.
19:44.37acerspyroBut it gets errors thru the connection. And, god, it abuses on dbus calls anyways.
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19:45.25acerspyroOh, right, sorry, debug in KDE, hang on
19:46.56acerspyroAnyone know what I'm talking about? That application that you open and all it does is give you a window where you can select your debug level?
19:47.12acerspyrokdebugdialog?
19:47.27acerspyroyup
19:47.36acerspyrodjzn: run kdebugdialog and enable everything.
19:49.32acerspyropaste.kde.org/p4yryjnnp
19:50.07acerspyrodjzn: Btw, sory if I seem a bit overhyped, but I'm just happy to finally figure out why KDE hangs everywhere and anywhere at any time.
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20:03.02shay_shaylordievader: its the version of isolinux it uses
20:03.55shay_shayif i can make an installer with grub then it will work
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20:07.40lordievadershay_shay: Or you can debootstrap from a different OS/live-usb.
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20:10.29shay_shayinstant reboot on mini.iso
20:12.53lordievadershay_shay: Would you be so kind to report a bug against syslinux: https://launchpad.net/syslinux
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20:39.59shay_shaylordievader assuming I have correctly identified the problem (this version of seabios to this version of isolinux), this looks like a promising way of circumventing the issue?: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot/Examples
20:41.06lordievadershay_shay: I suppose if you have a working Grub.
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20:42.52shay_shayWell I was planning on installing grub to a usb
20:44.16lordievadershay_shay: Hmm, I'd download an older version install from there and upgrade or do a debootstrap install.
20:44.29lordievaderA debootstrap of the newer version that is.
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20:47.20shay_shayIs it feasible to get an indentical install with debootstrap?
20:47.49shay_shayI am familiar with the steps but I've only done it on headless servers
20:48.00shay_shayOr chroots
20:48.14lordievadershay_shay: Slighly more customized perhaps, but the installer is doing much of the same thing.
20:49.03shay_shayMaybe I can look at the pressed (or whatever its called) for the installer and use it as a checklist?
20:49.17shay_shayPreseed
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20:52.21shay_shayUhh.  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.utopic/files
20:52.31shay_shayI haz a confused
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20:54.42shay_shaylordievader: any idea which preseed it is? Desktop or full?
20:55.44shay_shayOh it must be desktop
20:55.48lordievadershay_shay: I don't know anything about preseeding.
20:55.50shay_shayWhat does blacklist do
20:55.54shay_shay:D ok
20:56.35lordievadershay_shay: Blacklisting prevents kernel modules from being loaded.
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21:02.32moldyhi
21:03.10moldyi setup a new system. now i would like to migrate kmail settings and data over. how do i do this?
21:03.14moldyi cannot seem to find the right files
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21:05.33moldyi guess stuff is stored in akonadi these days?
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21:13.43moldyhttps://blogs.kde.org/node/4503
21:14.04moldynice post, except it does *not* explain where my data actually is. where is the offline imap cache, how do i migrate it to a new system?
21:14.28moldyespecially, where are my account settings (not the mail)
21:15.50selbypoor moldy
21:15.50moviuromoldy: find ~ -name *akonadi*
21:15.53selbyi wish i knew
21:17.17moldymoviuro: ./.local/share/akonadi ./.local/share/akonadi/db_data/akonadi ./.config/akonadi
21:17.25moviuromoldy: TADA!
21:17.54moldymoviuro: and now? do i copy these directories?
21:18.10moviurosounds like the right thing to do, at least, I hope
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21:18.26frustratedHello.  I've got ubuntu 14.04 installed... I'm trying to use certain KDE tools without installing the entire kubuntu world necessarily.  I've installed plasma-desktop, but I seem to be missing some key tools, like muon, konversation and others.  There is so much old information out on the web that I really don't know where to find these things.  Any help?  I finally broke down and tried to install kubuntu-desktop, but none of my re
21:18.31moviuro(it won't break anything on your destination nor your IMAP servers)
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21:18.46moldymoviuro: i wonder if this will work between x86 and x64
21:19.01moviuromoldy: it's just a database and some text files
21:19.06frustratedThe Kubuntu page only talks about installing from ISO and I'm not about to wipe my disk... I just want the needed packages.
21:19.07moviuroshould be no worry
21:19.14moldymoviuro: "just a database" :)
21:19.23moviuromariadb
21:19.35moviurofile <the database>
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21:20.31moldyafaik, databases usually use binary storage formats that can be incompatible between different versions
21:21.25moviurotime to find out
21:21.30moldyi guess so
21:21.43moldya clean import/export interface would be nice :p
21:22.03moviuroin the worse case scenario, you'll hav to re-DL all your mails... not a huge drawback, is it really?
21:22.24moviuromoldy: that's quite the point where every single DE and application I know fails
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21:22.48moldymoviuro: i care more about my account settings
21:22.58moldyidentities, signatures, filters, that kind of stuff
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21:23.21moviuromeh, run through them in great detail on one host, screenshot everything, do the exact same on the second box, done
21:23.24moldymoviuro: well, as usual, kmail can import from all kinds of applications except from itself :p
21:23.46moviurofilters... in the client? :O
21:23.49moldymoviuro: ugh. i am too proud to waste my time like that if i can avoid it.
21:23.54moviurodo that on the server, you fool ;)
21:24.15moldymoviuro: there are filters i want to have client-side
21:24.57moldyor rather that only make sense client-side. e.g. setting my identity.
21:25.39moviuroyes, indeed
21:25.50moviurothat's quite the thing i didn't do yet
21:25.57moviuro(set identity per folder)
21:26.11moldyi set my identity based on the incoming mail
21:26.35moldyas was to be expected, "resource is broken, resource is now offline". yay.
21:26.59moldyidentities are also gone
21:27.18moldywhat happened to KISS...
21:28.15moldyany idea where kmail stores the identities and account settings?
21:28.41moldyin the akonadi db?
21:29.36frustratedmoldy: thunderbird also sucks in that regard.  I don't know why developers insist on including the "latest and greatest" whiz bang tools that most people don't care jack about, but when it comes to common sense like providing tools to make moving to a different version anything less than agonizing, they fall on their faces and smile and shrug.
21:30.33moviuromoldy: find ~ -name *kmail*
21:30.40moviuromoldy: find ~ -name *kontact*
21:31.07moldyfrustrated: my point is that i really don't get why such stuff is not stored in goddamn plaintext files.
21:31.24moldyi don't need migration tools if i can just copy over a damn file.
21:31.30frustratedmoldy: because it's KEWL
21:31.45moviuroLOL
21:31.50moviuromoldy: also -> #kontact
21:32.12frustratedmy knotes are lost somewhere, I have no clue how to find them
21:32.12moldynowadays i need to run an sql server to store the settings of my mail client? wtf.
21:32.35moviuromoldy: you need it to store your mail, so why not?
21:32.57moviuromoldy: also, can't you just plain copy your old ~ to your new $HOME ?
21:33.03moldymoviuro: no, i cannot
21:33.06moviuro(cp -a)
21:33.16moldymoviuro: this used to work before stuff like akonadi took over
21:33.20moviuroyou changed OSes too?...
21:33.33moviuroyou might want to give it a shot, though
21:33.38moldymoviuro: nowaways it does not, because $HOME is full of obscure binary stuff
21:33.46moviuroI did that not so long ago and it worked (IIRC)
21:33.52moldymoviuro: been there, done that. it leeds to obscure bugs weeks or months later
21:33.55moviuroo_O
21:33.57moldymoviuro: good luck.
21:34.12moviuro"binary"...? where?
21:34.24moviurolike, the databases?
21:34.43moldymoviuro: if in 6 months, you have weird kdepim bugs that are not reproducible with a fresh user account, remember my words ;)
21:34.55moldyi have been through this
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21:35.31moldywith a plain text file i would have solved this within minutes. now i am here trying to figure out where the heck which setting is stored and how i can migrate it. argh.
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21:40.53moldymoviuro: well, look through your $HOME and see how much binary stuff there is
21:41.31moldystuff that may work on another system, or may not work, or it may look like it works for some time and then it suddenly explodes in your face
21:42.19moviuro./.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data/21953_r0:data, as well as its brothers and sisters, indeed
21:42.40moviurothough they *might* only be attached files
21:42.51moldyhttp://www.guyrutenberg.com/2011/08/28/extracting-data-from-akonadi-kontact/
21:43.20frustratedmoldy: is it a mysql database?  How about doing a mysql dump and moving it over to the new machine?
21:43.28moldyfrustrated: will that work?
21:43.35moldyfrustrated: i mean, reliably?
21:43.50moldyi tried to copy over the db files, that did not work, as i said above
21:44.34moldyalso, how would i import the dump on the new machine?
21:44.37frustratedmoldy: I don't know.  It's just a suggestion; if you're using the same version of mysql on both systems I don't see why not.... but, I'm no expert on the subject.
21:44.54frustratedmoldy: mysql < dumpfile would import it
21:45.13moldyfrustrated: yeah but into which db? i think akonadi uses some kind of specially embedded mysql db?
21:45.19frustratedor more like mysql -u user -p < dumpfile
21:45.43frustratedyeah, I don't know anything aboug akonadi other than I hate it :)
21:45.47moldyfrustrated: since the db is obviously stored in the home dir, this is not your everyday mysql db, i guess
21:45.52frustrateds/aboug/about
21:46.11frustratedI think there's a #akonadi channel
21:46.12moldykde focuses all the hate on akonadi instead of spreading it over the whole de like gnome :p
21:46.23moldyfrustrated: already asked there
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21:46.33frustratedah
21:47.21frustratedI imagine there's a way to specify where to find tables in mysql
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22:07.34moldymy original question remains, btw: where exactly does kmail store account and identity settings?
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23:50.52robertbellarminedoes anyone know a way in which I can have global shortcuts for KDE Telepathy the replacement in the Plasma KDE 4 for Kopete
23:51.31robertbellarmineI would like to be able to have the ability through a shortcut read and send away the messages I am receiving thanks for the help.
23:52.02robertbellarminewith Kopete you can do this, but with Telepathy you really can't. I have attempted to search, but have no found no satisfactory way of doing this.
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