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| 01:28.29 | manjaro_user | can someone recommend a kde distro that's not debian/fedora based? |
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| 01:30.48 | rdieter | manjaro_user: opensuse, mageia |
| 01:32.39 | hid | manjaro_user : chakra |
| 01:32.40 | manjaro_user | rdieter: opensuse it is! |
| 01:33.05 | hid | a pure kde distribution |
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| 01:33.41 | manjaro_user | thing about those niche distros is the support is kinda lacking |
| 01:33.59 | manjaro_user | i'm trying netrunner os rolling arch based |
| 01:34.06 | manjaro_user | their user forum is down |
| 01:34.12 | manjaro_user | shipped repos are broken |
| 01:35.03 | splendidsnapper | ZetaNeta: you can do 'for i in $(echo var | sed -e 's/\(.\)/\1 /g')' |
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| 01:36.25 | manjaro_user | thanks for your help |
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| 01:54.32 | trumee | i have a very poor font in Kmail for some emails. The message body of an email is here http://i.imgur.com/12ZrFfP.png . What can i do to improve this? |
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| 02:08.16 | trumee | ok changed the fonts in kde system settings and it is better now. |
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| 07:55.01 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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| 08:03.50 | arkascha | lordievader: is it? |
| 08:04.44 | lordievader | arkascha: To me, yes. |
| 08:04.45 | lordievader | ;) |
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| 09:49.56 | Derulo | Hello |
| 09:50.05 | Derulo | Can somebody help me with this? http://i.imgur.com/ZXTeZsH.png |
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| 09:50.30 | Derulo | please |
| 09:51.15 | DaZ | Derulo: you probably need to download python bindings from the repo |
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| 09:53.15 | Derulo | Thanks DaZ. I'm using Kubuntu. Maybe one of those? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&keywords=python+bindings&searchon=names |
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| 10:00.20 | Kano | hi, when a mountpoint is marked as x-systemd.automount,noauto and the dir is accessed it is mounted automatically |
| 10:00.35 | Kano | but when i use dolphin (4.11) then it asks for root pw, why? |
| 10:06.17 | Derulo | tSolved, I installed «plasma-scriptengine-python» |
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| 10:27.05 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 10:33.55 | LapJup | trying to set KMail 4.12.4 up where do you tell it to leave the email on the mail server? |
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| 10:37.21 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 10:37.42 | cousin_luigi | How come it's impossible to zoom in/out after clicking on something (e.g. drop-down menus)? |
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| 10:41.16 | moviuro_ | LapJup: use IMAP |
| 10:41.51 | LapJup | i want to use pop3 |
| 10:41.51 | moviuro_ | cousin_luigi: interesting issue, you should also ask #kde-devel |
| 10:42.05 | moviuro_ | LapJup: then no way to let mails on the remote |
| 10:42.35 | LapJup | in older kde you had the option to do that in pop3 |
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| 10:43.04 | moviuro_ | oh, didn't know it was possible |
| 10:43.38 | guru_ | when I have 2 monitors how can i move the new panel from the top to the bottom of the monitor screen? |
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| 10:44.39 | moviuro_ | guru_: click the cashew, then click'n'drop from 'screen edge' to the desired point |
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| 10:46.35 | moviuro_ | guru_: so ? |
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| 10:47.18 | cousin_luigi | moviuro_: will try, thanks |
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| 10:51.41 | guru_ | thanks . I was thinking screen edge was something else :) |
| 10:52.00 | guru_ | ah the effcts screen edge |
| 10:53.13 | guru_ | using an old pc and forgot how I did it with the one that just died(mobo ) |
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| 10:55.04 | moviuro_ | guru_: mobo? |
| 10:55.26 | moviuro_ | guru_: nvm, mother board |
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| 10:56.04 | guru_ | :) |
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| 14:00.03 | HisaoNakai | o/ |
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| 14:04.19 | HisaoNakai | Debian Testing, KDE 4.11.5 - 1. Is there a way to scroll through windows that does not involve holding down alt? I'm trying to use sticky keys, but 'alt tab' only switches between two windows, you have to hold down alt and press tab multiple times to go to windows outside of those two. Lock keys does not help, it seems to append alt to every keystroke afterwards, instead of actually simulating alt being held |
| 14:04.21 | HisaoNakai | down - so it does the same thing :( |
| 14:07.50 | HisaoNakai | 2. I don't seem to see any way to add new users under System Settings -> System Administration - based on reading around it seems it ought to be there. |
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| 14:16.55 | HisaoNakai | Oh, my bad, changing the 'Sort Order' in Task Switcher settings fixes that. |
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| 14:24.59 | moviuro_ | HisaoNakai: adding/modifying users is not KDE's job I think. You have to do this yourself as a good admin ;) |
| 14:27.02 | HisaoNakai | moviuro_: wat |
| 14:28.06 | HisaoNakai | moviuro_: I hope you're trolling, I could probably use useradd/adduser, but do you really expect someone fresh over from Wintendo/Mac to do that? O_o |
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| 14:29.27 | HisaoNakai | to be fair I installed kuser from the repos, but it's kind of inconsistent with KDE's UX for there not being a user management button in System Settings :| |
| 14:29.31 | moviuro_ | HisaoNakai: hmm… perhaps the kdeadmin packages will help? |
| 14:29.48 | scummos | moviuro_: in theory yes but in practice configuring the login manager or installing software isn't either -- still there's tools to do that ;9 |
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| 14:30.51 | moviuro_ | scummos: configuring KDM is finger in the nose with systemsettings, yes. But I never used Apper or anything inside KDE for admin stuff. Doesn't Debian provide consistent documentation covering these issues? |
| 14:30.57 | moviuro_ | HisaoNakai: ^ |
| 14:32.29 | HisaoNakai | moviuro_: that's perhaps the only part of the CLI I don't like - the need to look up docs compared to everything being automatically obvious in a well-designed GUI program :) |
| 14:32.59 | HisaoNakai | (well, relatively, but yeah) |
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| 14:33.21 | moviuro_ | HisaoNakai: basically, I make the assumption that any GUI stuff is unsafe. therefore, I only use the CLI for critical/admin stuff |
| 14:34.15 | HisaoNakai | o.o |
| 14:35.18 | scummos | "unsafe" ™ |
| 14:35.27 | DaZ | ® |
| 14:35.49 | moviuro_ | yeah, a human error, a misclick can happen |
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| 14:36.05 | moviuro_ | call me paranoid if you want ^_^ |
| 14:36.06 | HisaoNakai | Oh. |
| 14:36.07 | scummos | rm -Rf ~ |
| 14:36.10 | scummos | can happen too |
| 14:36.18 | moviuro_ | yeah scummos, true |
| 14:36.24 | HisaoNakai | I thought the issue was just that bigger libraries = more chances of bugs, and UI bugs. |
| 14:36.26 | moviuro_ | worst is rm -rf /bin though |
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| 14:38.00 | LapJup | now kmail is going crazy. it's wiping out the mail folders when i try to add folders |
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| 15:01.15 | HisaoNakai | Another thing - is it possible to have a visual notifier for showing the lock status of modifier keys? Not the knotifier messages, but rather something that shows 'ctrl alt super shift' and highlights whatever is locked? |
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| 15:23.28 | anon1269 | HisaoNakai: lock key controller |
| 15:23.51 | anon1269 | ref: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Lock+keys+controller?content=152551 |
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| 15:42.21 | sandman13 | does anyone have the color scheme for Debian? |
| 15:42.30 | DaZ | nwut |
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| 15:42.34 | sandman13 | the one on kde-looks has broken link |
| 15:42.37 | DaZ | wut |
| 15:43.19 | nemysis | moin |
| 15:44.06 | sandman13 | this one: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Debian+Coast?content=120729 |
| 15:44.22 | sandman13 | it has broken link |
| 15:44.26 | HisaoNakai | sandman13: I don't think there are any 'themes for Debian', but rather, 'themes for KDE'...and if there's a broken link, you probably want to email the theme author or the site admin... |
| 15:44.52 | sandman13 | HisaoNakai: my bad |
| 15:45.01 | HisaoNakai | ;) |
| 15:47.23 | sandman13 | spent my whole day searching for the right theme, except the color scheme I found all |
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| 15:50.06 | HisaoNakai | anon1269: That's not quite it - I'm using sticky keys and have modifier key (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Super) locking enabled, so I'd like to see notifications for that... |
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| 15:51.14 | HisaoNakai | ...lolwut |
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| 16:18.51 | sandman13 | where are the icons of kde located? |
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| 16:19.13 | shiftshaper | hi looking for help before installing KDE on a gentoo system - newbie here |
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| 16:21.09 | rdieter | sandman13: oyxgen-icons are hosted on svn.kde.org |
| 16:21.24 | rdieter | (the source control, assuming that's what you mean by located) |
| 16:21.44 | sandman13 | rdieter: not oxygen but the icons that appear in panels |
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| 16:22.44 | rdieter | sandman13: depends on which icons you want. systray icons are part of the plasma theme, for example. |
| 16:23.03 | rdieter | application icons are generally shipped as part of the application themselves |
| 16:23.11 | sandman13 | the icon for kickoff application launcher |
| 16:23.30 | rdieter | ok, those are part of your current icon theme, oxygen is the default |
| 16:23.55 | rdieter | though kickoff can be individually customized |
| 16:24.15 | rdieter | (and some distros modify it to use their distro icon instead, for example) |
| 16:24.33 | rdieter | sandman13: are you using oxygen? does it look like a "K" ? |
| 16:24.47 | sandman13 | yes |
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| 16:25.24 | nikhatzi | shiftshaper: gentoo here. tell me :) |
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| 16:26.46 | Sanchal | Is this the right channel to take questions about KDEConnect, or do I want a different one of the many #kde-.* channels? |
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| 16:28.13 | shiftshaper | LOL I am such a newbie and I have finally got gentoo working I now wish to install kde, anyone to walk me through step by step |
| 16:29.01 | nikhatzi | shiftshaper: did you read this?http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE |
| 16:29.38 | shiftshaper | yes but I cant seem to get / or dont even know if im doing it correct so i thought best to get advice first |
| 16:29.56 | nikhatzi | shiftshaper: first select your profile (kde desktop for example) |
| 16:30.14 | nikhatzi | but this is something you have to talk about in #gentoo |
| 16:30.20 | shiftshaper | i uderstand that i need to download some packages before the kde install ie. dbus etc. |
| 16:30.35 | shiftshaper | I have set the profile corect to KDE desktop |
| 16:31.01 | shiftshaper | OK i will take it there - thank you for your help |
| 16:31.27 | sandman13 | shiftshaper: do you have xorg installed? |
| 16:31.45 | shiftshaper | no idea - sorry :) |
| 16:31.55 | Sanchal | That should be called as a dependency for KDE anyway. |
| 16:32.07 | Sanchal | Unless Gentoo isn't smart about dependencies. |
| 16:32.41 | nikhatzi | Sanchal: it does it automatically |
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| 16:32.49 | nikhatzi | shiftshaper: just didn't try it :) |
| 16:32.52 | shiftshaper | I am such a newbie to linux and to gentoo - i am im afraid a fish out of water - but im learning fast after 6 attempts at full install LOL |
| 16:32.52 | dhritishikhar__ | MESSAGE |
| 16:33.27 | Sanchal | shiftshaper: Taking the "learn to fly by jumping of a cliff" method? |
| 16:33.58 | nikhatzi | shiftshaper: if you followed the gentoo guide verbatim, just emerge kde-meta or kdebase-meta (full/basic kde) |
| 16:34.22 | nikhatzi | it's all there in the page i gave you :) |
| 16:34.28 | shiftshaper | kind of enforced as gentoo was the only one to go with for the laptop I am using sony vaio Pentium M |
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| 16:35.25 | Sanchal | Sounds like it just needs a couple odd kernel modules. |
| 16:35.53 | shiftshaper | Yes nikhatzi - but which of those are alreadsy setup |
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| 16:36.15 | nikhatzi | what do you mean shiftshaper? |
| 16:36.18 | Sanchal | Either one should work well enough. |
| 16:36.39 | nikhatzi | i prefer kdebase-meta, especially on an old hardware like yours |
| 16:36.47 | nikhatzi | if you need anything more from kde later on, just emerge it |
| 16:36.52 | shiftshaper | Before installing KDE SC it is recommended that several other services are set up first. Part of that is done automatically if a desktop/kde or desktop profile is used. |
| 16:37.14 | Sanchal | Aren't those built in systemd though? |
| 16:37.23 | shiftshaper | nikhatzi I intend to use the kde meta |
| 16:37.24 | nikhatzi | we don't have systemd by default in gentoo |
| 16:37.30 | nikhatzi | we use openrc |
| 16:37.50 | nikhatzi | shiftshaper: ok then, emerge it |
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| 16:38.34 | nikhatzi | be sure to have in your make.conf these flags at least: dbus udev |
| 16:38.52 | shiftshaper | do i need to download D-Bus: polkit: udev: udisks: first? |
| 16:38.57 | nikhatzi | just told you |
| 16:39.00 | shiftshaper | or can I just emerge kde meta? |
| 16:39.12 | Sanchal | emerge kde-meta |
| 16:39.23 | Sanchal | The package manager should take care of the rest of the dependencies for you. |
| 16:39.32 | shiftshaper | thanks OK |
| 16:39.40 | nikhatzi | IF you have the rest of the flags in your make.conf |
| 16:40.32 | shiftshaper | oh dear this is a steep learning curve ... how do i check if I have the neccessary flags |
| 16:40.34 | Sanchal | I'd really like to make a crack at SlackWare's package manager right about now, but I can't think of a clever way to word it. |
| 16:41.17 | nikhatzi | shiftshaper: edit /etc/portage/make.conf, there, in the line that starts with USE you have the flags |
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| 16:41.25 | Sanchal | shiftshaper: Welcome to the world of self-constructed linux systems, you'll learn pretty quickly. |
| 16:41.57 | shiftshaper | yes indeed that is true :) |
| 16:42.09 | nikhatzi | be sure there to have dbus and udev in that list |
| 16:42.22 | nikhatzi | save it, and emerge the kde package you want |
| 16:42.25 | shiftshaper | I ahve a line which styarts with USE |
| 16:42.43 | nikhatzi | ok, be sure to have there udev and dbus too |
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| 16:43.26 | nikhatzi | if you need a new feature later on, just add the useflag you want and: emerge --newuse world |
| 16:43.27 | dhritishikhar__ | MESSAGE |
| 16:43.49 | shiftshaper | is the syntax USE="...dbus..." and USE="udev" |
| 16:43.56 | nikhatzi | no |
| 16:44.06 | nikhatzi | it's USE="flag1 flag2...." |
| 16:44.26 | nikhatzi | if you want to NOT have a flag, you just write it as USE="flag1 flag2 -flag3..." |
| 16:45.11 | shiftshaper | OK newbie Q why do I want the flag ? |
| 16:45.33 | nikhatzi | to enable specific features on packages or your system globaly |
| 16:45.38 | shiftshaper | I feel like an idiot asking that |
| 16:45.40 | nikhatzi | but these questions: #gentoo |
| 16:45.51 | shiftshaper | OK |
| 16:45.54 | nikhatzi | :) |
| 16:47.06 | shiftshaper | Q can I just add the line USE"flag1 flag2 flag3" save and then emerge kde meta |
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| 16:48.14 | nikhatzi | last answer, i have to go: It's USE=, you forgot the equals, but if you do that on one emerge (inline), then it won't affect your system, and on your next emerge it will default everything again |
| 16:48.20 | nikhatzi | gone |
| 16:48.44 | shiftshaper | thanks |
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| 17:00.35 | obsed | Can I change how the items in the task manager (on the panel) look when they are minimized vs not minimized? |
| 17:00.56 | moviuro_ | obsed: should already be by default |
| 17:01.11 | obsed | i.e. say i minimize firefox, or libreoffice writer, when minimized they minimize to the taskbar and become alot less light, non-minimized items are much brighter |
| 17:01.18 | obsed | moviuro: kde 4.11 |
| 17:01.21 | mva | :( |
| 17:01.29 | obsed | moviuro: hmm doesnt seem to be the default, not sure what setting to edit lol |
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| 17:02.03 | obsed | it makes it hard to see the names and icons of various windows i have open, at some times i have a large number of programs running and it would be good to be able to read them clearly in the taskbar |
| 17:02.09 | mva | Baloo will fix nepomuk feeder's resource appetite, they said |
| 17:02.25 | mva | baloo is cool a thing, they saud |
| 17:02.31 | mva | *said |
| 17:03.05 | obsed | moviuro: yeah i want to change the default lol ;) |
| 17:03.10 | moviuro_ | mva: it is ;) |
| 17:03.21 | moviuro_ | (at least, it seems) |
| 17:03.35 | moviuro_ | obsed: don't know how to do |
| 17:03.39 | mva | experience huge IO frombaloo_file_extractor |
| 17:04.01 | mva | and it is impossible to stop it to index anything, like it was for nepomuk |
| 17:04.05 | moviuro_ | mva: should die away after it scanned all your files |
| 17:04.24 | mva | but I don't wat it to scan ALL files |
| 17:04.27 | moviuro_ | systemsettings > file indexer or baloo <something> |
| 17:04.32 | mva | let it scan only selected folders |
| 17:04.37 | mva | uhm... |
| 17:04.48 | moviuro_ | mva: desktop search |
| 17:04.56 | mva | ok, yhanks, I'll try to search for it once more |
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| 17:05.09 | obsed | mva: what distro are you using btw ?? |
| 17:05.09 | moviuro_ | that's it, just make sure your structure has a sense |
| 17:05.50 | mva | uhmmm |
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| 17:06.53 | mva | there is anyway no way to select folder where it should only search. There is a list for >> excluded << folders (and I'm not sure it us recursive) |
| 17:06.56 | obsed | mva: i tested kde 4.13 on kubuntu 14.04 and baloo didnt follow instructions for disabling things. on opensuse 13.1 with kde 4.11 nepomuk appeared to follow instructions |
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| 17:08.05 | shumski | mva: you can add wanted dirs via config file |
| 17:08.23 | mva | obsed: btw, I'm using Sabayon (Gentoo derivative to make it more ubuntu-like) |
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| 17:09.22 | mva | shumski: ~/.kde4/share/config/baloofilerc ? |
| 17:09.27 | shumski | yep |
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| 17:09.58 | shumski | folders=$PATH1,$PATH2 etc |
| 17:12.21 | mva | actually there is only my workdir and my git-repos dir |
| 17:13.10 | mva | I have no idea why the hell it scans that dirs for a week already... |
| 17:14.05 | obsed | well baloo and others will get better in afew years after everyone has bug tested them, then they will be features users rave about |
| 17:14.38 | obsed | and if they let you disable them now then no one would bug test them enough |
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| 17:14.52 | obsed | this is good for the progress of kde |
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| 17:22.04 | obsed | mva: and baloo is better than the older nepomuk, its better at stopping you from disabling it |
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| 17:32.10 | bwayne | obsed: can i quote you on that? |
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| 17:34.18 | obsed | bwayne: sure :) |
| 17:34.58 | obsed | kde knows best anyway, mere users shouldnt be able to disable things |
| 17:35.11 | obsed | trust us |
| 17:35.27 | bwayne | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.55 | bwayne | i'm detecting massively concetrated sarc. i hope. |
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| 17:41.08 | nico__ | I am struggling with the group for programs started with the kickoff application launcher. Ideas? Details: http://paste.kde.org/pzzgyahuu |
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| 18:02.35 | moviuro_ | obsed: "kde knows best anyway, mere users shouldnt be able to disable things; trust us" dafuq? I don't think you can sound less KDEish and GNOME-ish, Windows-ish and OSX-ish like :þ hope it's a joke |
| 18:03.10 | moviuro_ | +more GNOME-ish[…] |
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| 18:45.53 | obsed | moviuro: what alternative desktop environment do we have that gives power to the users, but is still fairly reasonably useable and everything (ie i wouldnt consider dwm one i would want to use) |
| 18:49.36 | moviuro_ | obsed: KDE |
| 18:50.16 | obsed | moviuro: right thats right i have to test kde 4.13 on a OS that isnt derived from canonical |
| 18:50.23 | moviuro_ | obsed: only usable thing since it's the only one that is somewhat configurable |
| 18:50.40 | moviuro_ | obsed: go for archlinux ;) |
| 18:50.49 | obsed | moviuro: i would exactly call it power to the users in kubuntu 14.04, but erm, i will test it on something that doesnt have 90% of its code written by canonical |
| 18:51.00 | obsed | i wouldnt exactly call* |
| 18:51.22 | obsed | ok not written by canonical, packaged and/or edited by canonical |
| 18:51.34 | obsed | (and configured by canonical) |
| 18:51.41 | moviuro_ | [20:50] <moviuro_> obsed: go for archlinux ;) |
| 18:51.52 | obsed | moviuro: yeah so i should try arch or gentoo then i guess |
| 18:52.09 | BluesKaj | obsed, what do you have against mr shuttleworth and his coders ? :) |
| 18:52.26 | obsed | BluesKaj: i dont have anything against them |
| 18:52.26 | moviuro_ | or openSUSE, which is nice too |
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| 18:52.37 | lainlives | opensuse is a great kde experience |
| 18:52.45 | obsed | BluesKaj: i consider the way they implemented the amazon integration spyware however |
| 18:52.55 | lainlives | a bit bloated, but unused ram is wasted ram |
| 18:53.10 | obsed | BluesKaj: and i think that the perspectives they have show in their work |
| 18:53.17 | moviuro_ | haha lainlives, I'm gonna quote you on that |
| 18:53.49 | lainlives | its true, why have say, 18gb of ram if you ever use 10gb maximum |
| 18:53.52 | BluesKaj | been a kubuntu user for almost 10yrs , very few complaints ...not a unity user so I don't worry much about that aspect of the DE |
| 18:54.00 | obsed | moviuro: yeah i have installed opensuse 13.1, looks good! |
| 18:54.18 | lainlives | BluesKaj: well opensuse uses KDE as their default DE so they make the experience great |
| 18:54.22 | lainlives | like unity on ubuntu |
| 18:55.10 | moviuro_ | loves the vanilla experience on Arch :v) |
| 18:55.15 | obsed | lainlives: all good i have 16GB of RAM anyway) |
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| 18:55.28 | obsed | a mere 1.1GB of RAM is being used atm |
| 18:55.44 | lainlives | it runs great i switched for opensuse after fedora started to become a hassle to keep running |
| 18:56.09 | BluesKaj | lainlives, yeah opensuse is a nice OS but kubuntu is going it's own way from canonical slowly but surely so I'll remain loyal to Kubuntu for the time being |
| 18:56.16 | lainlives | if you dont use proprietary blobs, or dont mind installing them manually often, opensuse tumbleweed repo is a rolling release |
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| 18:57.17 | moviuro_ | isn't tumbleweed completely unstable? |
| 18:57.27 | lainlives | lol not really |
| 18:57.57 | moviuro_ | lainlives: just uptodate like Archlinux's packages? or a bit forwrd? |
| 18:58.00 | obsed | i dunno 13.1 is LTS, i think i'd rather have LTS + security patches |
| 18:58.34 | moviuro_ | obsed: but new features are soooo cool :D |
| 18:59.01 | obsed | moviuro: well erm, i am happy 13.1 doesnt have the new feature of baloo which wouldnt obey my instructions in kubuntu ;) |
| 18:59.21 | moviuro_ | (that too, is fun :) ) |
| 18:59.54 | moviuro_ | obsed: but yeah, to each his own ^_^ |
| 19:00.37 | obsed | though yeah i would need the new features i would actually need, like i want to play steam games so cannot use certain linux distros, and newer kernels need to work on it with KMS etc for my gpu etc, but after that LTS + patches seems fine |
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| 19:01.31 | obsed | i would prob buy another computer to try out all the latest distros with whiz bang features on |
| 19:02.37 | moviuro_ | "whiz bang" ? |
| 19:03.08 | obsed | "fancy" new features ;) |
| 19:03.36 | obsed | i was very keen to try out wobbly windows and 3D desktop cube on kde for example |
| 19:04.13 | obsed | ever since i first used it on an old eeepc with backtrack (compiz) and made windows users jealous lol, compiz kind of went away for some reason though |
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| 19:06.41 | moviuro_ | obsed: yeah, but I used it when I didn't kno KWin couldn't do the same :> got bored of wobbly windows and the cube. Love the grid though (productivity and organization ++ ) |
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| 19:08.55 | obsed | moviuro: i guess im not totally bored of it yet lol |
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| 19:09.33 | obsed | i think i want to antialias some of the lines in the 3D desktop cube (ctrl+f11) |
| 19:11.04 | obsed | moviuro: yeah i havent gotten to using the grid yet (ctrl+f10) i think i need to make a less annoying keyboard shortcut for it (meta+c for example) and it would be nice if my touch screen aligned properly |
| 19:11.40 | obsed | the main LCD is a touch screen, the second monitor is not. plugging in the second monitor makes touching the touchscreen have the mouse to the right, away from where i am actually touching the screen |
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| 19:15.20 | moviuro_ | touchscreens are not usable with anything but android right now, from my experience |
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| 19:16.23 | obsed | yeah they dont seem that great for desktop usage in my experience, apart from some novelty. maybe i would use it more if it actually worked properly with two LCDs though |
| 19:16.25 | moviuro_ | and I use the active corners for the grid, obsed (top left) |
| 19:17.02 | obsed | ahh i have my start menu in top left heh |
| 19:17.35 | moviuro_ | you don't have to click for the active edges/corners. Just stick your pointer and PAF ! grid. |
| 19:18.07 | obsed | i dont seem to be getting the PAF! here but maybe thats because i have a panel and start menu there |
| 19:18.26 | moviuro_ | no, shouldn't interfere |
| 19:19.20 | moviuro_ | systemsettings > workspace behavior > Screen Edges |
| 19:19.36 | obsed | im pretty sure my lcd has a a touchscreen surrounding the lcd too, all that touch sensitive space could be doing something |
| 19:20.01 | obsed | e.g. flick from right side onto screen = flick across a virtual desktop |
| 19:20.14 | obsed | touch top left corner = grid |
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| 19:22.47 | moviuro_ | obsed: nice :) |
| 19:22.57 | moviuro_ | I'll try that with my mouse :) |
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| 19:24.09 | moviuro_ | oh my, I'm going to use my whole mouse mat (?) |
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| 19:25.10 | moviuro_ | actually, no, it's unusable xD I've got a mac-a-like bar on top and I'd trigger a "switch to top desktop" everytime I reach for it |
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| 19:26.33 | obsed | true |
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| 19:26.50 | obsed | i mean my LCD has a "swipe area" that is outside of the actual display area |
| 19:26.56 | obsed | like phones do |
| 19:27.03 | moviuro_ | yeah, I got that obsed :) |
| 19:27.07 | obsed | ahh ok |
| 19:27.10 | obsed | hehe |
| 19:27.37 | moviuro_ | though I'm not sure my phone has such a swipe area ^_^ |
| 19:28.38 | obsed | yeah only some phones have it, not most i guess |
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| 19:30.40 | obsed | i am thinking the desktop cube might look better showing only on the first lcd, rather than displaying on both (mostly on the first, some of it on second) |
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| 19:31.37 | moviuro_ | obsed: I think there are some bug reports/feature requests/brainstorming for that |
| 19:32.16 | obsed | yeah if i unplug the second monitor it still tries to display on both, obviously a bit of the desktop cube is missing then |
| 19:33.01 | obsed | i dont know why ppl dont come in here congratulating KDE developers on producing the best desktop on the planet, rather than coming in here and complaining about baloo all the time lol |
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| 19:41.09 | obsed | i really need to make it so minimized windows are not "made less brighter and hardly visible" in the taskbar :( but i think there might be an open bug for that |
| 19:41.40 | obsed | hmm i wonder if i could then plug in say a 12" touch screen, sit it on the left side of my LCD, have my regular LCD in the middle, and another LCD to the right |
| 19:42.13 | obsed | on the first LCD make a big ass vertical panel on most of the screen (the monitor would be in vertical orientation too) with a massive taskbar in it, and just touch an item to bring it to focus |
| 19:42.17 | obsed | (or use the mouse of course) |
| 19:43.35 | obsed | hmm so i end up turning off wobbly windows anyway usually heh |
| 19:44.39 | obsed | brb |
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| 19:47.44 | HisaoPhone | Hi. For some reason a user on a Debian Stable, KDE 4.8.4, is unable to see anything in their Trash, even though they do have files there. How may I fix this? |
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| 19:54.30 | obsed | im gonna be very upset if i cant fix this :'( |
| 19:54.56 | obsed | i mean for a taskbar with apps in it, i can barely see what it says :/ |
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| 19:55.44 | HisaoPhone | obsed: What's the issue again? o.o Might be able to help, don't bet on it, though. |
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| 19:56.11 | obsed | HisaoPhone: pretty much this issue here http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=110517 |
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| 19:56.33 | obsed | You know the taskbar in the panel right, the thing where you click on different items to maximize a window or bring focus to it |
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| 19:56.55 | obsed | When apps are minimized they are barely visible in that taskbar |
| 19:57.00 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: talking about .local/share/Trash, right? |
| 19:57.05 | obsed | Task Manager/taskbar* |
| 19:58.09 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: Not sure, the address comes up as just 'trash', lemme see if I can change that |
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| 19:58.48 | obsed | I would have thought you would right click on the Task Manager, click "Task Manager Settings" and it has options like Force row settings, maximum rows, grouping etc. There would be an option regarding minimized windows with a drop down combo box next to it, and you would choose in there "Fade to grey", "Do nothing", "Do something else" |
| 19:59.28 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: with 'editable location bar' it comes up as 'trash:/' -_- |
| 19:59.51 | obsed | or perhaps since thats all controlled in the systemsettings Application Appearance there might be something in there that works too |
| 20:00.13 | moviuro_ | look at it in a CLI, HisaoPhone ;) |
| 20:00.56 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: But how can I when the actual path is abstracted away from me :( |
| 20:01.40 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: type the path I gave you in the location bar ;) |
| 20:03.00 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: Okay, in ~/.local/share/Trash/ we have two folders - 'files' and 'info', and a text file called 'metadata' |
| 20:03.24 | moviuro_ | same here |
| 20:04.32 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: I have no issue here |
| 20:04.37 | obsed | i dont know why that guy marked it as solved, he didnt solve it |
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| 20:05.52 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: files/ has just one folder. but in 'trash' the status bar lists it as having 30+ files and 30+ folders (the files and folders aren't actually visible to me, enabling or disabling hidden files doesn't make a difference either)...and now it shows it as having one folder and one file. wut. |
| 20:07.34 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: I'm not a real pro but sounds strange. post $ ls -l of the Trash/{files,info} folder and what you actually see in trash:/ |
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| 20:13.27 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: http://hastebin.com/budadayezo.avrasm http://imgur.com/jhFnArc |
| 20:14.21 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: and the folder in the trash, is it empty? |
| 20:14.41 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: look at the screen shot lol |
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| 20:15.24 | moviuro_ | oh yeah, LOL |
| 20:15.41 | moviuro_ | bangs his head against his wall |
| 20:15.50 | HisaoPhone | :3 |
| 20:17.16 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: happens in konqueror too? |
| 20:19.32 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: People use Konqueror? ;p |
| 20:19.39 | HisaoPhone | lemme check |
| 20:20.16 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: Blank, like Dolphin. |
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| 20:20.56 | obsed | hmm to fix it, i think i have to learn how to edit my favorite theme... |
| 20:22.26 | HisaoPhone | obsed: It's not actually a problem in my workflow, as I alt-tab through windows, and when I do have to look at the taskbar I go more by icon than text. Can't think of any solution as of now, though, sorry. |
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| 20:22.57 | obsed | i alt tab too |
| 20:23.01 | obsed | and various other things |
| 20:23.03 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: do you have /usr/lib/kde4/kio_trash.so ? |
| 20:23.11 | obsed | if you have ~50 windows open though, a working taskbar is important |
| 20:23.30 | moviuro_ | obsed: false |
| 20:23.32 | HisaoPhone | obsed: your answer probably lies in the Desktop Themes - System Settings -> Workspace Appearance -> Desktop Theme. |
| 20:23.37 | moviuro_ | I live without one |
| 20:23.41 | HisaoPhone | obsed: 50 windows wat |
| 20:23.52 | HisaoPhone | obsed: Fair. |
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| 20:25.15 | moviuro_ | obsed: 21 windows ATM, only using present windows and 10 desktops ;) |
| 20:27.00 | HisaoPhone | obsed: If it's any help I believe you can have as many workspaces (whatever they call 'virtual desktops' this week) as you like...and set shortcuts to move through them quickly (System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> KWin )...I believe you can also set shortcuts to send the current window to another desktop, IIRC. |
| 20:27.27 | moviuro_ | 20 is the upper limit AFAIK |
| 20:27.34 | HisaoPhone | o.o |
| 20:27.48 | HisaoPhone | One question I keep forgetting to ask - where and how on earth does one edit the items of the window menu? |
| 20:28.17 | obsed | HisaoPhone: yes i use 4 desktops |
| 20:28.38 | HisaoPhone | wow lol |
| 20:28.53 | obsed | i use about 5 computers too |
| 20:28.56 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: window menu? what's hat? |
| 20:29.00 | moviuro_ | *that |
| 20:29.05 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: The window operations menu? o.o |
| 20:29.29 | moviuro_ | maximize/collapse/send to desktop X |
| 20:29.36 | moviuro_ | ? |
| 20:29.57 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> KWin -> Window Operations Menu (in the list) |
| 20:30.56 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: I do have /usr/lib/kde4/kio_trash.so btw |
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| 20:31.17 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: I don't think you can modify the Alt-F3 menu |
| 20:32.02 | HisaoPhone | drat. |
| 20:32.10 | obsed | HisaoPhone: yeah seems i can borrow things from other themes in systemsettings | workspace appearance | desktop theme. seems there isnt a good option though, will prob have to edit my fav theme to fix things |
| 20:32.11 | HisaoPhone | It'd have been amazing if one could. |
| 20:33.24 | HisaoPhone | obsed: I take it you already know that you can resize the taskbar and/or set it to have more than one line of windows listed...although that doesn't help with the grayout issue... |
| 20:33.27 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: for what purpose? |
| 20:33.41 | obsed | it is Blue Sora, and i found a nice blue ocean wallpaper. |
| 20:33.55 | obsed | HisaoPhone: yes the resizing works great |
| 20:34.02 | moviuro_ | Aya is a so nice theme <3 adapts to the color theme |
| 20:35.18 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: I don't need many things which get assigned an 'underscore' shortcut (like shade)...and I need some things which don't...or get conflicting shortcuts... |
| 20:36.07 | AndrzejL | Did anyone of you ever thought why there were no pregnancies in Hogwart? I mean... |
| 20:36.10 | AndrzejL | Lot of young girls / guys - there had to be some mumbo jumbo going on... |
| 20:36.14 | AndrzejL | Did they had like "Morning after" spell? How would such spell look like? "Fetus Deletus"? |
| 20:36.16 | HisaoPhone | obsed: Oh, hey, you could move to a window-shade-based workflow. I don't use it myself and don't know many who do, but the few I know apparently need it like a drug...maybe they have a similar workflow to yours? o.o |
| 20:36.36 | HisaoPhone | AndrzejL: ... |
| 20:36.42 | HisaoPhone | AndrzejL: i dont even |
| 20:36.59 | HisaoPhone | AndrzejL: childhood ruined. |
| 20:37.13 | HisaoPhone | (also, off-topic.) |
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| 20:38.04 | AndrzejL | Yeah o-t but its an important question... :D |
| 20:38.34 | HisaoPhone | -_- |
| 20:39.18 | obsed | HisaoPhone: hmm what is a window shade workflow ? |
| 20:39.30 | HisaoPhone | obsed: where you shade windows instead of minimizng. |
| 20:39.33 | HisaoPhone | *minimizing |
| 20:39.46 | obsed | yeah i doubt it |
| 20:40.07 | moviuro_ | or you could switch to a desktop based workflow ;) |
| 20:40.17 | obsed | i have a 4 desktop workflow |
| 20:40.22 | moviuro_ | no more need to minimize, no more need for a task manager |
| 20:40.33 | obsed | i use a desktop for a related task |
| 20:40.33 | moviuro_ | 4 is 4 times less than needed ;) |
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| 20:40.46 | obsed | almost like the activities metaphor in kde, a virtual desktop for me is an "activites" |
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| 20:42.14 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: 'desktop based workflow' wat O_o |
| 20:42.30 | obsed | i think adding two more monitors would be of largest benefit to me |
| 20:42.32 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: anyway, that library is present, what next o.o |
| 20:42.33 | obsed | and fixing the taskbar |
| 20:43.03 | moviuro_ | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/26/plasma-desktopv14580.png HisaoPhone obsed |
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| 20:43.20 | HisaoPhone | obsed: definitely hax the desktop appearance theme, I guess. My best of luck to ya. You can probably get some simple amateurish themes which should be easy to get a grasp of... |
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| 20:43.57 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: wow wth 8| |
| 20:44.06 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: is that your actual workflow!? |
| 20:44.13 | moviuro_ | actually works way better for me than anything else |
| 20:44.15 | moviuro_ | yup |
| 20:44.22 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: insanity!! O_O |
| 20:44.28 | obsed | HisaoPhone: well just need to edit part of this theme |
| 20:44.33 | moviuro_ | \o/ |
| 20:44.44 | moviuro_ | I'm feeling fine :D first step of madness |
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| 20:45.53 | obsed | lol is that your 16 desktops moviuro, nice !! |
| 20:46.04 | obsed | yeah i could probably do with more desktops actually |
| 20:46.42 | moviuro_ | I first had 4, then 9 then 16 |
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| 20:46.53 | moviuro_ | but will never get 25 :'( |
| 20:46.59 | HisaoPhone | always has 4 active but never actually uses more than one. |
| 20:47.20 | obsed | 16 is quite alot of desktops hehe |
| 20:47.24 | moviuro_ | haha, how can you live with so little space? ^_^ |
| 20:47.49 | HisaoPhone | Partly because I use the terminal for almost everything, and tend to not go overboard with multitasking ;) |
| 20:48.48 | HisaoPhone | I can have between 2 to 7 GNU Screen windows going at a time...use vim's netrw and VimExplorer + command line for file manager stuff... |
| 20:48.50 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: how about your browser? mine uses up to 3 fullscreens |
| 20:49.00 | scummos | my opinion is when you minimize or move windows you're not using virtual desktops correctly |
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| 20:49.36 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: I use dwb...usually one session at a time with anywhere between 10 to 50+ tabs...have about 26 sessions totaly...at rare times I use two or three sessions at once. |
| 20:50.01 | moviuro_ | I use tmux sometimes, mainly remotely |
| 20:50.15 | HisaoPhone | Mm, I mean to try that some day. |
| 20:50.43 | moviuro_ | tmux is way better than screen ;) |
| 20:50.57 | obsed | well no i have a desktop for particular activity, such as reverse engineering vulnerability research |
| 20:51.24 | HisaoPhone | moviuro_: and my system monitoring is done in the taskbar - 4x CPU graphs, 1 RAM and swap, and network interfaces (usually 2) ;) |
| 20:51.43 | obsed | i may have kali linux in a vm up and some target VMs, Kate with source code editing, IRC with some online help, the intel instruction set reference, firefox tutorials, afew terminals etc, this is all one "activity" in one desktop |
| 20:52.04 | HisaoPhone | Wow o_o |
| 20:52.18 | obsed | What other ways are there to use virtual desktops ? |
| 20:52.38 | moviuro_ | no way :v) Max 4 windows / desktop or 12 chat windows (kopete) |
| 20:52.44 | scummos | i use them instead of windows |
| 20:52.54 | scummos | i have fixed layouts of max. 3 windows per virtual desktop |
| 20:52.57 | obsed | In another virtual desktop, i may have a task of bittorrent, and bitmetv open or something |
| 20:52.58 | scummos | they do not overlap |
| 20:53.05 | scummos | and instead of switching windows I switch virtual desktops |
| 20:53.38 | obsed | I think I need more monitors so i can have different sources of information displayed at the same time etc |
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| 20:54.03 | obsed | and apps related to a task (kali + target + source code) etc |
| 20:54.10 | obsed | and debugger |
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| 20:54.50 | HisaoPhone | Hey, scummos. Any ideas with my issue? o.o |
| 20:55.00 | obsed | is nice to have intel instruction set reference, or asm cheat seat visible, while writing asm source too |
| 20:55.03 | obsed | (sometimes) |
| 20:55.03 | scummos | what is your issue even |
| 20:55.05 | HisaoPhone | also moviuro_- the lib is present, what next? o.o |
| 20:55.13 | moviuro_ | HisaoPhone: no clue |
| 20:55.19 | moviuro_ | obviously, it's broken |
| 20:55.28 | moviuro_ | contact your distrib's folks |
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| 20:55.30 | HisaoPhone | obsed: You write ASM? Editing the drat theme ought to be a no-brainer for you o_o |
| 20:56.26 | obsed | HisaoPhone: well yeah if i stop chatting and read about editing the theme lol ;) |
| 20:57.52 | HisaoPhone | obsed: get to it :p |
| 20:58.09 | obsed | lol |
| 20:58.53 | HisaoPhone | scummos: 'trash' shows nothing in dolphin, indicates it has files in the dolphin status bar and in the terminal - http://hastebin.com/budadayezo.avrasm http://imgur.com/jhFnArc |
| 20:59.01 | HisaoPhone | *but indicates |
| 20:59.37 | obsed | scummos: ahh the issue I was having is, when I minimize windows to the task manager, they are barely visible on the task manager. I am using a blue ocean wallpaper, and the very blue theme Blue Sora, with plenty of translucency everywhere. So it seems i cannot read the minimized windows very well |
| 21:00.06 | obsed | It seems if i edit my favorite theme (Blue Sora) I can fix this, make things more visible |
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| 21:01.30 | moviuro_ | obsed: give aya a shot ;) |
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| 21:01.55 | moviuro_ | (unless you know that theme and don't like it) |
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| 21:02.40 | obsed | Aya does look pretty nice at http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=76197&file1=76197-1.jpg&file2=76197-2.jpg&file3=76197-3.png&name=Aya |
| 21:03.12 | obsed | but it doesnt really look blue enough at http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=76197&file1=76197-1.jpg&file2=76197-2.jpg&file3=76197-3.png&name=Aya ;) i just know this high resolution blue ocean wallpaper i stole from linux mint, and Blue Sora look wonderful lo |
| 21:03.22 | obsed | lol, just need to fix viewability of minimized windows |
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| 21:04.26 | HisaoNakai | o/ obsed , moviuro_ , scummos |
| 21:04.52 | moviuro_ | obsed: "stole": it's free artwork ;) |
| 21:05.03 | obsed | moviuro: oh thats right, its actually legal ! |
| 21:05.09 | obsed | not like stealing windows wallpapers perhaps |
| 21:06.02 | scummos | taking an image and using it as a wallpaper is always legal |
| 21:06.31 | obsed | well thats good |
| 21:06.32 | scummos | assuming you somehow obtained a copy of the image in a legal way |
| 21:06.42 | obsed | damn copyright law has become weird over time |
| 21:06.45 | HisaoNakai | scummos: any ideas on me issue? o.o |
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| 21:07.06 | scummos | HisaoNakai: no, report a bug |
| 21:07.17 | HisaoNakai | Hm... |
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| 21:25.44 | obsed | hmm and sometimes wireshark sniffer, watching fuzzing etc going across the network or virtual network |
| 21:26.04 | obsed | fuzzing, sploit code etc |
| 21:26.37 | obsed | so really, another two monitors would be nice, and better wrap-around desks with swivel chair |
| 21:27.22 | HisaoNakai | obsed: definitely swivel chair. |
| 21:27.35 | HisaoNakai | wait for it... |
| 21:27.47 | moviuro_ | how about stacked monitors instead of side by side ? |
| 21:27.58 | obsed | the developer of kali linux for example has a circle he sits in, a circular 360' desk, with tiny space cut out to walk into the swivel chair in the center of it. then 10 different computers around him in the desk, and some network program so one keyboard and mouse can travel across 10 different computers |
| 21:28.20 | obsed | moviuro: yeah like one monitor in the middle, one to the left, one to the right, and one stacked on top would be great! |
| 21:29.16 | obsed | HisaoNakai: yeah swivel chairs are a must, and at least an L shaped my. my current chair sucks |
| 21:29.27 | obsed | L shaped desk* |
| 21:29.41 | moviuro_ | A relative had one monitor/keyboard/mouse linked to 4 PCs, that was nice :) just had to push a button to switch from Linux to a (at the time) Win2000 or WinXP |
| 21:30.04 | obsed | yeah i used to have one machine like that |
| 21:30.18 | obsed | well, 4 machines, but one monitor/kbd/mouse |
| 21:30.42 | obsed | my current desk sucks too |
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| 21:32.11 | moviuro_ | don't you compain :p I only have an armchair (low but cozy) and a laptop (18.4") placed right on the table (bad for the neck) |
| 21:32.45 | moviuro_ | it could realy use a 10 centimeters stand ans an other keyboard |
| 21:33.00 | moviuro_ | *and |
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| 21:39.44 | obsed | moviuro: yeah life is hard lol |
| 21:42.37 | HisaoNakai | obsed: http://i.imgur.com/dlXBW59.gif |
| 21:43.00 | obsed | hehe |
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| 22:04.02 | obsed | ~/.kde4/share/apps/desktoptheme/Blue_Sora/ seems to have all the files for the Blue Sora theme |
| 22:05.18 | moviuro_ | obsed: backup it first |
| 22:05.28 | obsed | moviuro: already done;) |
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| 22:13.20 | soee | hi, guys where can i find dome tutorials about creating plasmoids ? |
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| 22:20.45 | obsed | whats a plasmoid again soee? |
| 22:20.57 | obsed | so on http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/ThemeDetails#Colors it says "/tasks.svg: task item backgrounds for tasks (KDE 4.1 and later). See the section on backgrounds above for information on the required elements in this file. The following element prefixes are required: " |
| 22:21.26 | soee | obsed: plasma widgets |
| 22:22.07 | obsed | I think thats ~/.kde4/share/apps/desktoptheme/Blue_Sora.modding/widgets/tasks.svgz |
| 22:23.07 | obsed | soee: this of any help? http://techbase.kde.org/Paths/Developer/Creating_plasmoids_with_scripts |
| 22:26.38 | MySystem2 | hello i would like to let the kde egg-timer run a bash script with the execute command option but nothing happens. the command i entered is "bash ~/.scripts/reminder" and in the console the command and script works. is there a log or another way to run scripts ? |
| 22:27.02 | obsed | the file is chmod +x ? |
| 22:27.13 | obsed | with #!/bin/bash at the top too maybe |
| 22:27.39 | moviuro_ | MySystem2: no need to bash XYZ |
| 22:27.51 | moviuro_ | and use the absolute path to your script |
| 22:27.52 | MySystem2 | obsed both true |
| 22:27.56 | obsed | k |
| 22:28.06 | moviuro_ | oh, nvm for absolute path |
| 22:28.18 | moviuro_ | ~ is more or less absoute |
| 22:28.21 | moviuro_ | +l |
| 22:29.13 | moviuro_ | (at least, autostart and custom shortcut work without specifying 'bash', don't know for egg timer) |
| 22:29.32 | MySystem2 | yeah nice thx moviuro_ the absolute path with /home works |
| 22:29.53 | moviuro_ | yw ;) |
| 22:30.44 | MySystem2 | and without bash it works too lots of thx for help |
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| 22:33.51 | obsed | that is interesting, ~/.kde4/share/apps/desktoptheme/Blue_Sora.modding/widgets/tasks.svgz file in kate has multiple focus, hover, attention, normal sections in it, but the word minimized is not found anywhere in the whole file |
| 22:34.48 | obsed | if i have the right file, according to http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/ThemeDetails#Colors i think most themes are supposed to have a minimized section in that file |
| 22:36.04 | obsed | the file in inkscape seems to show some images that look like when i hover or have taskbar items not-minimized. so i think its the right file unless im a total tard |
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| 22:39.48 | moviuro_ | obsed: did you consider the option to use an other task manager? Like the icon only one? |
| 22:40.01 | obsed | moviuro: so i can only see icons not any text ? |
| 22:40.04 | moviuro_ | (which I liked, before switching completely off of it) |
| 22:40.19 | moviuro_ | obsed: pretty much written in the title, yes ;) |
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| 22:40.33 | obsed | moviuro: doesnt sound like that actually makes things better lol |
| 22:41.04 | moviuro_ | obsed: http://anl4u.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Icon-Only-task-manager.png |
| 22:41.08 | obsed | obsed: firefox open to an asm cheat cheat, an exploit tutorial, various other pages. 3 virtual machines going. all same icon |
| 22:41.26 | obsed | text + icon, high visibility for me ;) |
| 22:42.04 | obsed | it seems with the blue sora theme, i've tried many different background images and minimized windows have very poor visibility with 99% of background images |
| 22:42.32 | moviuro_ | http://www.upquick.com/temp/panel.jpg <- hahaha I totally relate to this xD (not anymore, but yeah, this kind of happened all the time I messed with plasmoids) |
| 22:42.33 | obsed | moviuro: cheers nah i dont think icon-only would be good for me |
| 22:43.01 | moviuro_ | obsed: 'images' try low contrast textures |
| 22:43.17 | moviuro_ | like stone, brushed metal… |
| 22:44.48 | obsed | i love my blue ocean high resolution wallpaper tho ;) |
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| 22:46.49 | obsed | I am beginning to think *maybe* the guy who made the theme, missed making a background for minimized tasks |
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| 22:49.34 | obsed | hmm after seeing what svg actually is im glad its been disabled in my browser for years lol |
| 22:50.38 | moviuro_ | obsed: svg is just plain text to be interpreted as a vectorial image: why are you glad it doesn't work in your browser? |
| 22:51.17 | obsed | moviuro: security reasons, a thousand line xml file can be passed to the browser to be parsed and converted into animated interactive graphics |
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| 23:05.51 | obsed | seems to be related to this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311991 |
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| 23:15.36 | obsed | How do you control the text of minimized items in the taskbar? e.g. make them not fade out to be barely visible |
| 23:16.25 | obsed | or choose font size, or make things bold etc |
| 23:18.00 | moviuro_ | obsed: font size should be in the font management |
| 23:18.08 | moviuro_ | color however, IDK |
| 23:18.18 | moviuro_ | perhaps maybe in the colors settings |
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| 23:22.21 | moviuro_ | sleep time! 'night everyone! |
| 23:22.28 | obsed | night moviuro ! |
| 23:22.47 | moviuro_ | nice speaking with you obsed ;) |
| 23:23.14 | moviuro_ | also, I'm moviuro_ with an "_", the other one is an idle me ^_^ |
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| 23:24.02 | obsed | hmm the bug was reported in 2012 and a patch supplied by a user 12 months ago too |
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| 23:24.34 | obsed | maybe the bug was intentional to "get dumb users to use proper modern methods of window management now rather than oldfashioned ones" |
| 23:25.17 | obsed | (joking) |
| 23:29.17 | obsed | major fail, a desktop environment, that fails at having readable minimized tasks in the taskbar |
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