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| 06:26.39 | nija1993 | Hey I am from IIT Madras. Our team want to work on 2 pages per view, for users reading ebooks with wide screens in okular. |
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| 11:35.35 | BluesKaj | 'Morning all |
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| 11:37.17 | BlaXpirit | ' |
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| 11:50.12 | rindolf | BluesKaj: hi. |
| 11:52.14 | BluesKaj | hey rindolf, what's new? |
| 11:53.10 | rindolf | BluesKaj: someone reported a typo in the File-Find-Object CPAN distribution that I maintain. |
| 11:53.26 | rindolf | BluesKaj: in a comment, but I fixed it and uploaded a new version. |
| 11:53.56 | rindolf | BluesKaj: he also commented on a different typo report, saying it could be fixed. |
| 11:54.02 | rindolf | So I closed it as well. |
| 11:54.34 | rindolf | BluesKaj: and I've worked a little on the JavaScript port of Freecell Solver (using Emscripten). |
| 11:55.51 | BluesKaj | rindolf, impressive, all this is over my head of course :) |
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| 11:57.30 | rindolf | BluesKaj: OK. |
| 11:58.14 | rindolf | BluesKaj: Freecell Solver also used to be part of kpat, but in KDE 4, they switched it to a modified version of a different solver called "patsolve". |
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| 11:58.32 | rindolf | BluesKaj: and now it's quite buggy - it moves cards back and forth all the time. |
| 11:59.06 | rindolf | BluesKaj: I submitted a patch to replace the solver using Freecell Solver, in the appropriate games, but I don't think it was applied yet. |
| 11:59.19 | rindolf | And they want to give a choice of solvers. |
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| 12:01.01 | BluesKaj | I just muck about with linux because it's an interesting challenge for an old windows guy who learned about and how to use windows computers on the job. i took up the linux challenge after I retired and got bored with windows problems. |
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| 12:02.05 | rindolf | BluesKaj: ah, I see. |
| 12:02.29 | rindolf | BluesKaj: by "bored with windows problems" do you mean "tired of dealing with windows problems"? |
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| 12:04.37 | BluesKaj | exactly rindolf, altho I still have deal wit them to some degree on wifey's W7 pc. |
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| 12:06.49 | BluesKaj | to deal with* |
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| 12:08.05 | BluesKaj | W7 has proven to be relatively trouble free. I have to admit that. |
| 12:10.48 | rindolf | BluesKaj: ah. |
| 12:11.40 | rindolf | BluesKaj: I had to restore Windows 7 x86-64 on my laptop from a very early backup because Windows Update FUBARred it. |
| 12:11.55 | rindolf | BluesKaj: I hate Windows Update with a passion. |
| 12:14.54 | BluesKaj | yes , my desktop has a separate HDD with W7 and I agree windows updates are a hurdle that cab be frustrating and difficult to overcpme , especially the the SP1 |
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| 12:19.40 | moviuro | gave up on updating Windows |
| 12:20.05 | moviuro | reinstalling, installing SP1 and then wait for SP2 before reinstalling over again |
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| 12:24.17 | BluesKaj | is still not used to this KB after all this time |
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| 12:40.59 | Gintru | Hi all |
| 12:41.29 | Gintru | After an update, my KDE plasma seems had lost all my config and is back to its defautl |
| 12:41.40 | Gintru | (widget, panels, wallpaper etc |
| 12:41.50 | Gintru | is it the right place to exchange about this ? |
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| 12:46.35 | drdozer | hi - I'm running kde on ubuntu and have found that soprano-virtuoso.db is filling up my hd |
| 12:46.46 | drdozer | what can I do to make this file smaller? |
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| 12:47.13 | drdozer | it is currently up to 13G which seems a bit excessive! |
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| 12:48.34 | moviuro | drdozer: run nepomukcleaner |
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| 12:49.06 | moviuro | it actually contains an index of files so that you can use the 'semantic desktop' |
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| 12:50.23 | Gintru | 13G for virtuoso ? |
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| 12:50.37 | Gintru | whatever the prog, 13g is huge |
| 12:51.21 | Gintru | drdozer may i know ur total disk and totla used ? |
| 12:51.30 | drdozer | moviuro, thanks - will try that |
| 12:51.44 | drdozer | /dev/sda1 204G 193G 966M 100% / |
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| 12:52.45 | moviuro | drdozer: hmmm... perhaps indexing your files is not a good idea |
| 12:52.58 | moviuro | do you use the semantic desktop? |
| 12:53.13 | moviuro | also, clear your package cache (ask your distro how to do that) |
| 12:53.15 | drdozer | since I don't know what the semantic desktop is, perhaps not :) |
| 12:53.29 | Gintru | drdozer maybe itworks on a percentage of it, i will check my size |
| 12:54.22 | drdozer | should nepomukcleaner have done something? It printed out some logging and then appeared to exit |
| 12:54.52 | moviuro | drdozer: yep, there should be a window telling you what it is doing |
| 12:55.18 | drdozer | found it |
| 12:56.06 | Gintru | drdozer one of my virtuoso db is soprano-virtuoso.db |
| 12:56.11 | Gintru | 1.5G |
| 12:56.35 | Gintru | 38G 35G 1,1G 98% / |
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| 12:57.44 | Gintru | mine is 1/30 of my total while ur is 1/well 30too |
| 12:57.53 | Gintru | so maybe it is not so big |
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| 13:00.58 | sidi | Hi. I'm looking for advice on posting to KDE MLs. Basically I work/do research with a few other devs on the usability/UX of security interactions on desktop OSes, and recently blogged (http://mupuf.org/blog/2014/03/18/managing-auth-ui-in-linux/) about the infrastructure that would be required in Wayland/X11 and desktop environments to allow spoof-resistant authentication dialogs, and to limit the ability of malicious apps to take screenshots, |
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| 13:12.36 | zenlunatic | auth dialogs like... UAC? |
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| 13:16.40 | AndrzejL | http://www.osnews.com/story/27637/Source_code_for_MS-DOS_1_1_2_0_and_Word_1_1a_released?_m=3n%252e002k%252e1154%252eeo0ao04evc%252e1500 |
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| 13:19.51 | sidi | zenlunatic, like UAC yes. UAC is based on surprisingly good requirements, they just got something wrong when it comes to compliance effort (which I dont really talk about in that blog post actually) |
| 13:23.39 | drdozer | nepomukcleaner has made no difference to disk usage |
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| 13:43.39 | kYuZz | hello. I'm trying to use the javascript function setTimeout() in the plasma scripting console, but it seems to be undefined. where can I get help? |
| 13:44.22 | moviuro | kYuZz: javascript? shoudln't you useQML? |
| 13:44.53 | moviuro | doesn't know anything about coding for KDE but is pretty sure there is no JS |
| 13:45.00 | moviuro | anyway, got to go |
| 13:46.01 | kYuZz | moviuro: JavaScript is definitely one of the languages supported by Plasma |
| 13:46.04 | kYuZz | anyone else? |
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| 13:53.04 | SpinningWheels | is it possible to ctrl+click on group icon-only task manager create new instance? |
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| 14:11.15 | houms | can anyone point me to the screenlocking command for kde? I am trying to setup blueproximity and it lists xscreensaver-command -l or gnome-screensaver-command -l? |
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| 14:14.04 | hateball | houms: google says http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/14203/how-to-manually-start-screensaver-commandline.html#post74979 |
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| 14:47.12 | houms__ | and to unlock is false? |
| 14:47.22 | houms__ | also is there a proximity command for screensaver? |
| 14:47.32 | houms__ | thanks hateball |
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| 14:49.20 | rdieter | houms__: xdg-screensaver lock , should work everywhere too |
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| 14:52.59 | houms__ | thanks rdieter, so xdg-screensaver lock for lock, and xdg-screensaver reset for unlock? |
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| 14:59.19 | houms__ | i assume blueproximity does not really work under kde? this is 4.11.3 |
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| 15:30.38 | rdieter | houms__: there is no way to unlock from command line, that I'm aware of |
| 15:31.24 | rdieter | (ie, how is one supposed to securely enter a password?) |
| 15:32.19 | rdieter | houms__: nvm, xdg-screensaver reset , may work |
| 15:32.47 | rdieter | houms__: see also http://linux.die.net/man/1/xdg-screensaver |
| 15:33.12 | rdieter | houms__: probably want xdg-screensaver activate, rather that ... lock too |
| 15:34.49 | houms__ | will give it a try and see |
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| 15:35.14 | houms__ | thanks rdieter, debian-kde irc suggested asking kde user list about the unlock part and whether or not auth would be needed |
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| 16:06.25 | qu | I'm trying to start KDE, and get the kdm login with Drive-Settings-Network-Menus-KDE, but then it just goes to a black screen. |
| 16:06.46 | qu | It was working, but then I changed the motherboard without reinstalling. |
| 16:06.52 | qu | (debian) |
| 16:07.25 | qu | Exactly the same CPU, but now it's using Intel graphics rather than AMD. |
| 16:08.45 | rdieter | qu: probably a video driver thing then. may be worth trying to login to ... plasma (failsafe) session , which ends up disabling desktop effects (among other things) |
| 16:08.57 | qu | And, it spends like 5 minutes on the startup KDE stage. I ssh in and it's not busy with anything. Just |
| 16:09.10 | qu | rdieter: How do I do that? |
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| 16:09.55 | rdieter | qu: on login screen, instead of choosing "kde plasma workspace" choose "kde plasma workspace (failsafe)" |
| 16:10.56 | qu | Ok. But I have autologin enabled so first I have to disable that. /etc/kde4/kdeglobals? |
| 16:11.37 | rdieter | not sure, I've not used autologin personally |
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| 16:12.00 | rdieter | qu: possibly kdmrc |
| 16:12.12 | qu | Y it is. |
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| 16:13.20 | Morley93 | Why does Firefox not show the icons I set in appearance when using the oxygen-gtk theme? |
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| 16:25.08 | rdieter | Morley93: does it help to restart firefox? |
| 16:25.24 | rdieter | (and it may matter if you're using xsettings-kde... or not) |
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| 16:26.14 | rdieter | Im using xsettings-kde, but ff isn't reacting to icon changes until I restart it. not sure who's to blame for that yet |
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| 16:43.47 | sandman13 | if you guys had to choose between KDE Mint 16 Petra and Kubuntu 13.10 Saucy Salamander, which one woould you choose? |
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| 16:44.10 | qu | Debian or Mint. |
| 16:44.23 | qu | No Ubongo, please. |
| 16:44.57 | moviuro | wonders what qu can be talking about |
| 16:45.24 | qu | responding to sandman.... |
| 16:46.54 | sandman13 | qu: i changed font on Mint KDE now everything looks weird |
| 16:47.21 | qu | Hope it's Mint Debian. |
| 16:47.42 | sandman13 | not it isn't |
| 16:48.03 | qu | Sry, can't help. |
| 16:48.04 | sandman13 | I would install original Debian instead of Mint Debian |
| 16:48.18 | qu | That's what I've run for 15 years. |
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| 16:48.43 | sandman13 | qu: what? Debian? |
| 16:48.57 | qu | Y. w. KDE or XFCE. |
| 16:49.37 | qu | Over the years I've tried everything else, but always have to go back to Debian. |
| 16:49.43 | sandman13 | same choice |
| 16:49.56 | sandman13 | incase of Desktop Environment |
| 16:50.20 | qu | Manjaro came closest, but the Arch repo is a terrible mess and #archlinux is full of howling hyenas. |
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| 16:51.38 | sandman13 | qu: i am looking for something that is somewhere in between Debian and Fedeora btw I am new to linux |
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| 16:52.41 | qu | I tried Fed, but it's pretty buggy. Thought about CentOS, but too old. Although there's alot to be said about learing the RedHat way, if you plan to do this professionally. |
| 16:53.18 | sandman13 | qu: how's Arch? |
| 16:53.58 | moviuro | +1 qu for howling hyenas |
| 16:54.03 | qu | AUR (repository) is an undisciplined trainwreck. In Manjaro only about half of the packages would actually install. |
| 16:54.20 | moviuro | sandman13: tough, you gotta love getting your hands dirty |
| 16:54.28 | qu | When Firefos 22 wouldn't install, I tossed it in. |
| 16:54.56 | qu | Manjaro is a much nicer crown, but you have to depend on AUR. |
| 16:54.58 | moviuro | qu: AUR is not officially supported... so it's up to the user to choose to use it or not |
| 16:55.00 | qu | crowd |
| 16:55.22 | qu | Yeah, but if you do alot, you need it. Or else compile everything. |
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| 16:56.16 | qu | #archlinux is full of hollering jr high kids. When I suggested the break up the channel into -users and -dev, they reacted like I'd questioned Gravity... |
| 16:56.53 | qu | Loved Manjaro, but just couldn't do with AUR. |
| 16:57.07 | sandman13 | i have heard about that, they say you have to do your own research before tossing a question there |
| 16:57.50 | qu | Yea you have to build your system from absolute scratch. Pros don't have time for bit-twiddling. Only kids do.h, with Arch |
| 16:58.37 | sandman13 | qu truth has been spoken |
| 16:59.15 | moviuro | never understood any package manager other than pacman of archlinux |
| 16:59.54 | qu | I just keep going back to Debian, as I -must- have things actually running. I really wish that Fedora was more stable. |
| 16:59.56 | rdieter | sandman13: depends on what you value (wrt distros). each has it's focus, strengths and weaknesses. so giving some hints of what you're looking for in a distro, then folks can tailor their suggestions to fit. |
| 17:00.21 | rdieter | so far, you've only mentioned: kde, and "I am new to linux". |
| 17:00.32 | qu | rdieter: What a canned response... |
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| 17:00.47 | rdieter | sandman13: if that's all, I'd recommend any of: kubuntu, opensuse, magiea, fedora , personally |
| 17:00.53 | qu | He's asking for our opinions. |
| 17:01.07 | sandman13 | rdieter: just want a distro that forces me to learn things and must be a KDE distro |
| 17:01.34 | rdieter | sandman13: ok, any from that list should satisfy you I think |
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| 17:02.07 | rdieter | qu: sure, but whats best for *me* or *you* isn't necessarily whats best for *him* |
| 17:02.50 | qu | If he takes a poll, he can then begin to form some ideas. But he's a blank page right now. |
| 17:02.55 | sandman13 | rdieter: i have kubuntu's iso but have heard it's too buggy compared to mint kde |
| 17:03.06 | sandman13 | qu is right |
| 17:03.21 | rdieter | sandman13: imo, take what you "hear" with a grain of salt, try it yourself to know for sure |
| 17:03.46 | rdieter | depends on how trustworthy your sources are, of course. |
| 17:04.16 | sandman13 | i would have but seems like there is some bug with live USB incase of Kubuntu |
| 17:04.39 | rdieter | that sounds awefully vague |
| 17:05.03 | rdieter | but whatever, if initial tries fail, move on to the next option |
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| 17:09.25 | sandman13 | rdieter: i have a bad experience with ubuntu distros while trying them everysingle one greeted me with "report this problem" dialog box |
| 17:11.36 | rdieter | sandman13: interesting, ok, not sure why you mentioned kubuntu as an option initially then, even though you'd already had bad experiences. by all means, mark it off the list, and try something else then. :) |
| 17:13.09 | moviuro | sandman13: my personnal course was (always with KDE): Mandriva, openSUSE, archlinux. Mageia now replaced Mandriva but is really great for beginners. Once you find yourself more than 10 minutes per day, it's time to switch to openSUSE. A bit more professionnal and you can actually use the CLI. Finally, for the challenge, the LOL and the teaching it'll bring, arch, as it will let YOU do the config of absolutely everything. |
| 17:13.38 | moviuro | *Once you find yourself more than 10 minutes per day... in a konsole |
| 17:13.44 | scummos | when you know your stuff I find arch the least hassle also |
| 17:13.49 | scummos | seriously |
| 17:13.59 | scummos | ever tried updating opensuse across 3 releases? |
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| 17:14.09 | einar77_work | scummos: I did! |
| 17:14.26 | scummos | gives einar77_work a medal |
| 17:14.36 | moviuro | scummos: last one I tried was 12.1, quite nice and polished IIRC, but the KDE releases were not as fast as on arch ^_^ |
| 17:14.38 | scummos | you'll get another one when you bring me the backtrace for that crash you had |
| 17:14.41 | scummos | ;) |
| 17:14.48 | einar77_work | it wasn't that hard to do |
| 17:14.50 | einar77_work | only long |
| 17:15.09 | scummos | moviuro: huh? KDE stuff is usually packaged very quickly on arch |
| 17:15.21 | sandman13 | moviuro: currently learning cli |
| 17:15.22 | scummos | they once packaged my stuff before I had wrote the announcement |
| 17:15.28 | scummos | einar77_work: for me it always broke |
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| 17:15.51 | sandman13 | but thinking of switching to debian it installed quite well on Vbox |
| 17:16.01 | moviuro | scummos: arch is faster than openSUSE at deploying KDE updates, yes, that's what i meant |
| 17:16.01 | scummos | debian is always a honorable choice |
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| 17:16.15 | scummos | moviuro: ah, sorry, I overlooked the "as" ;) |
| 17:16.41 | moviuro | debian is good, yes, as long as you don't want the latest features |
| 17:16.43 | qu | Arch would be like taking a bath in phosphoric acid, for a n00b. |
| 17:17.06 | moviuro | qu: *fluoridric |
| 17:17.32 | scummos | I don't know why people find arch so difficult |
| 17:17.43 | scummos | you only need the wiki, and the patience to read it |
| 17:17.46 | scummos | and the skill to follow instructions |
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| 17:18.14 | qu | No, you need to know -why- most things as a n00b. |
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| 17:18.34 | qu | It's like trying to learn Chinese from a book. |
| 17:18.57 | moviuro | qu: it's difficult, even from a teacher ;) |
| 17:19.09 | qu | A n00b needs to start with some early victories. Not with bit-twiddling. |
| 17:19.20 | moviuro | yeah, arch can only run as long as root knows what is going on |
| 17:20.32 | scummos | qu: but the arch wiki explains it all quite well |
| 17:21.53 | scummos | it's not like it only says "type this command" |
| 17:21.59 | qu | scummos: Either you've forgotten what it's like to be a n00b, or you're putting up a false bravado trying to show us how long your dick is. |
| 17:22.18 | qu | Arch is a PITA for -everyone-. |
| 17:22.25 | scummos | I'm an expert in being a noob |
| 17:22.44 | moviuro | interesting sentence, scummos |
| 17:23.00 | qu | Well, then it's false bravado. |
| 17:23.21 | scummos | still, when you learn something, an explanation which actually explains what is happening is often better than an explanation which is much simpler, but doesn't actually explain anything |
| 17:23.37 | scummos | moviuro: I honestly think the statement makes sense ;) |
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| 17:27.35 | scummos | moviuro: I think doing useful things in a situation where you don't know anything is a skill which you can learn |
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| 17:28.27 | moviuro | scummos: agreed, though to know what is usefull, well, you need to learn that |
| 17:28.37 | scummos | of course |
| 17:28.54 | scummos | but identifying what is useful and what you need to do in order to learn that as quickly as possible is what you can be good or bad at |
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| 17:29.30 | scummos | and I think arch with its controllable environment makes that easier than e.g. ubuntu |
| 17:29.46 | scummos | of course it's not what you use when you want to have a computer you can use facebook on with as little pain as possible |
| 17:30.39 | moviuro | scummos: sure ;) but, I'm too used to arch now, can't use a Debian without messing with their configuration x) |
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| 17:30.55 | moviuro | surely didn't try hard enough |
| 17:31.04 | scummos | :D |
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| 18:11.45 | Alumin | I mean, I know I could "just try it", but I'm worried that I might try it, and then KNotes will try to assimilate the combined contents into some kind of metadata database, fail, and then I'll wind up corrupting that secondary database somewhere in the KDE mothership |
| 18:15.09 | scummos | it sounds unlikely that cat can concatenate any kind of nontrivial file format |
| 18:15.25 | Alumin | well, ICS files are just text |
| 18:15.46 | Alumin | as far as ICS itself is concerned, it would work |
| 18:15.56 | Alumin | the question is what KNotes/KDE is going to want to do with it afterward |
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| 18:28.24 | Aristide | Hi ! |
| 18:28.42 | Aristide | I want (in one case) to launch Dolphin with an different setting directory (not $HOME/.kde) |
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| 19:12.32 | BlaXpirit | Aristide, `dolphin --help-kde` |
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| 19:13.05 | BlaXpirit | `--config` lets you choose a different configuration file (not a directory but still probably what you need) |
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| 19:19.58 | Aristide | BlaXpirit: Ok, thanks you :) |
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| 19:46.11 | jalcine | Alumin: afaik, .ics files are XML-rooted |
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| 19:46.22 | jalcine | just concatenating them would render the resulting file invalid |
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| 19:48.42 | Alumin | jalcine: actually, after looking closer at the file, I think you're right |
| 19:49.01 | Alumin | apt-cache search icscat |
| 19:49.09 | Alumin | drat. |
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| 19:51.10 | Aristide | Its work BlaXpirit, but I have same favorite place than « normal » dolphin :( |
| 19:51.25 | BlaXpirit | Aristide, that's too bad :( |
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| 19:51.49 | BlaXpirit | Aristide, but wait |
| 19:51.59 | BlaXpirit | these favorites are system-wide |
| 19:52.04 | Aristide | Ok |
| 19:52.41 | Aristide | (So, Thank for your response ^^) |
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| 19:54.08 | Alumin | Aristide: OK, so I have to ask...as in Genevieve? From F.E.A.R.? :) |
| 19:54.25 | Aristide | Genevieve ? |
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| 19:54.38 | nija1993 | I am not able to install okular properly from build |
| 19:54.43 | nija1993 | can someone help me |
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| 19:55.14 | Alumin | http://fear.wikia.com/wiki/Genevieve_Aristide |
| 19:55.19 | Alumin | I guess not :) |
| 19:55.30 | Aristide | xD |
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| 19:55.42 | moviuro | nija1993: which distro ? |
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| 19:56.06 | moviuro | usually, KDE apps give fairly good error messages |
| 19:56.07 | nija1993 | linux |
| 19:56.19 | moviuro | nija1993: oh |
| 19:56.24 | Aristide | nija1993: No, your distro ! Debian ? Ubuntu ? OpenSUSE ? ... |
| 19:56.26 | moviuro | nija1993: well, which one ? |
| 19:56.33 | nija1993 | i use kubuntu |
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| 19:59.53 | nija1993 | hello anyone |
| 19:59.54 | nija1993 | ? |
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| 20:01.41 | moviuro | nija1993: stay calm ;) people here are not paid, so just ask your question with all relevant information and someone will answer... |
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| 22:15.57 | maggern | Hello .) |
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| 22:24.51 | maggern | Anyone here who can help me with a kde issue_ |
| 22:25.06 | chris_hd | maggern: probably just ask |
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| 22:29.04 | MiceHelium_ | !rules |
| 22:29.12 | MiceHelium_ | well that wasn't very helpful |
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