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00:02.28juancarlospacoim using the trcaker  KPart and works good
00:02.34juancarlospacotracker*
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00:27.58p0sjuancarlospaco: i cannot find that one. are you sure it is called kpart?
00:28.14juancarlospacono
00:28.20juancarlospacoits not called kpart
00:28.25juancarlospacoit has a kpart
00:28.33juancarlospacokpart has a name
00:28.48p0sjuancarlospaco: so you're using ktimetracker as a kpart?
00:28.56juancarlospacothe tracker has a kparts if you know whats a kparts
00:29.01juancarlospacoye
00:29.06p0sjuancarlospaco: yes i just read that up
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00:29.27p0sjuancarlospaco: good to know that it works well, thank you
00:29.35juancarlospacoyes p0s
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01:09.01mikerose357btw kde 4.10 is freaking awesome
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02:41.04e_t_I can only send email by restarting Akonadi. This is with KDE 4.10.2. If I don't restart Akonadi, my mail will just sit in the Outbox indefinitely.
02:47.21e_t_I recently did a full Akonadi reset -- deleted everything Akonadi and recreated, but the problem persists.
02:47.56p0se_t_: i am not a developer and cannot fix it. but i know that file / send queued messages typically helps for me
02:50.10Jucatoe_t_: I'm not exactly sure, but what is the Default send method in KMail? (Settings ->Configure KMail -> Accounts -> Sending tab, near the bottom)
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03:03.00valoriee_t_: you might try #kde-pim
03:03.20valoriealthough it's the weekend, and Sun. morning for a lot of the devels
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03:12.23e_t_I might try that if #kde-pim were a channel.
03:12.44katsrchi, i'm trying to file a bug report about kmix, i just need to know what kmix utilised to control the volume
03:13.00katsrcis it amixer?
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03:19.01troye_t_: #kontact is the channel you need
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03:20.17troykatsrc: kmix directly uses alsa at driver level, last I checked
03:21.07troykatsrc: although it may get Phonon to do the heavy lifting...
03:21.23katsrctroy: okay, thanks
03:21.27katsrci'll look in to in
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03:37.23valorieoops, sorry e_t_!
03:37.40valoriekdepim is the mail list I think
03:37.49valorieI should have checked alis
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07:22.52kdelover2ok. I have installed AppMenu QML but it appears in a tiny window. see this screenshot: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=357dfb3
07:27.29tekkbuzzno way, It's a big menu
07:27.57tekkbuzzyou gotta grab the corner and enlarge it
07:29.42kdelover2you're right. didn't know you could resize the menu so easily.
07:30.10kdelover2BTW it seems like a very nice application launcher. thanks for recommending it
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07:30.29tekkbuzzIt's the best one I found so far.
07:31.11kdelover2yeah. it works and look perfect
07:31.16tekkbuzzi like it cause it remembers where you left off, meaning it doesn't go back to the default.
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07:31.51tekkbuzzyou gotta tweek it, to make it nice like you want it.
07:31.57kdelover2nice feature
07:32.51tekkbuzzI replaced my default kde launcher with it, with no regrets.
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07:34.07kdelover2I'll probabely do that BTW another question
07:34.34tekkbuzzshoot:)
07:35.38kdelover2you know when I turn off the computer I usually have lots of programs open. I normally don't have time to close them all. I just turn off (or restart the computer). the thing about KDE is that it saves all those programs and the next time I login it opens them all
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07:36.06kdelover2I don't like this feature. I want to turn it off so that everytime I log into KDE I get a clean desktop
07:36.32tekkbuzzthen you gotta close them all first, i believe.
07:37.02tekkbuzzthere's a program call wmmager that will close them all for you.
07:37.53tekkbuzzoops wmanager
07:38.25kdelover2it's silly. usuing another program to close all programs? why just (like gnome) we can't log out of KDE and have a clean desktop next time we login?
07:39.08tekkbuzzprobably is a way, I just don't know what it is.
07:41.51tekkbuzzgo to System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Session Management
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07:42.36tekkbuzz> On Login > check off , start with an empty session.
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07:43.54kdelover2yeah now I see that option. I have to test it. have to restart the computer. hang on a few minutes ;)
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08:07.43alusionhey
08:07.51alusionWhat's better, Krdc or VNC
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08:09.50Jucatoalusion: KRDC is an app that lets you connect to another computer that's already running a VNC server (or remote frame buffer, but VNC is probably better anyway)
08:10.11alusionwhich vnc is best :o
08:10.16alusionthat respects muh freedom
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11:00.26BluesKaj_Hey all
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11:24.49ZenGuy311hi
11:25.36ZenGuy311i just got the idea of makign a wallpaper slideshow or picture frame widget slideshow from images submitt3ed to reddit via imgur.com
11:25.50ZenGuy311i want to know if such a project exists?
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11:27.25ZenGuy311or just grab the images from imgur.com/r/wallpaper+earthporn
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11:36.28anonfriese_ZenGuy311: thought about modifying the picture of the day plugin?
11:36.55ZenGuy311didn't know that existed
11:37.15ZenGuy311is it local, remote source or both?
11:37.18anonfriese_dont know how to do that exactly
11:37.26anonfriese_thats specifically for remote source i guess
11:37.39anonfriese_normaly it just uses wikimedia pictures or some other sources
11:37.57anonfriese_of course there's also the comic plasmoid, which iirc is configurable for rss-feeds
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11:39.48ZenGuy311ok, kinda surprised a since imgur is a well known source for wallpapers ..
11:40.23ZenGuy311i'll try to find a script to download and check the site periodically ..
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12:00.36Misanhi there!
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12:01.45MisanI have a question about apper/zypper. I was always installing packages by directly downloading them from vendor homepage and then finding some kind of run.sh file within them and pin that to the desktop. However, I heard that this process might be easier/faster when working with zypper/apper
12:01.50MisanIs this true?
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12:02.30MisanAnd: by definition: what is a "repository"? So do I just tell apper my URL of the package I wan't to install and it will recognize it as a package?
12:02.31ZenGuy311i'm assuming you're reffering to a package manager
12:02.35MisanYes!
12:02.44ZenGuy311WHAT?!
12:02.45MisanIt is called apper
12:04.34Misanhuh?
12:05.13MisanI have no idea how to even add packages for apper/zypper
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12:06.06BluesKaj_apper is the packagew manager , you use it to install/remove packages, Misan
12:06.53BluesKaj_Misan, it connects to the repositories for you
12:07.08ZenGuy311he made it sound like you can put in a link to a tarball and have it download and install it
12:07.13MisanYes but how do I install third party packages with apper?
12:07.18Misanyes!
12:07.23Misanlike.. http://ftp.4players.de/pub/hosted/ts3/releases/3.0.10.1/TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.0.10.1.run
12:07.39ZenGuy311Misan:  you'll have to run that yourself
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12:09.11Misanwhy? isn't that what the package manager isn't for?  I always need to create some bash files and have those bash scripts in some kind of folder.. Is it possible to add this package to apper and have it assign the vendor Icon and also automatically be assigned to a category?
12:09.25katsrcis there a way to have Kmix show the volume levels as same as alsamixer?
12:10.02ZenGuy311Misan:  did you install it ?
12:10.28Misanno, because I have to add the teamspeak repository to install it via apper
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12:10.39Misanso it will assign a category and icon via metadata
12:10.50MisanSo I do not have to organize this in my own folder system
12:11.00ZenGuy311the installer doesn't add icons and entrys in the mde start menu?
12:11.06Misanit does?
12:11.13ZenGuy311it looks liek it should
12:11.39ZenGuy311did you run the command i wrote?
12:11.52MisanYes but this is not how I am supposed to organize my stuff.. right?
12:12.07Misanits like half of my stuff is in categories in my KDE Applications menu
12:12.13ZenGuy311it didn't install.. thats how i install most apps that aren't in my repo
12:12.27Misanand the other software, which is not in the repository by default is organized by me in ~/home
12:13.00MisanThis is not the way to go, isn't it?
12:13.09MisanIt should be in those Application category
12:13.28bootkillerMisan, .run executables are usually 3rd party installers, like in windows. If the developer cared, it should should set up categories and entries properly.
12:13.33ZenGuy311poaste the readme to pastie.org
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12:14.09Misanbut how do you organize your stuff manually then? How do I assign an Icon and move it to Applications->Internet e.g.
12:14.39bootkilleruse the menu editor
12:14.42ZenGuy311is the team speak app installed ? i.e /usr/local/bin ?
12:14.56Misanno it is in ~/home/Downloads/Teamspeak3
12:15.21ZenGuy311Misan:  did the *.run file extract it there when you ran ./TeamSpeak*.run ?
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12:15.49ZenGuy311or did you extract it with ark?
12:15.56Misanuhm.. let me check that please
12:17.34MisanYes I installed it, and it created a Folder in ~/home/downloads
12:17.56Misanit is not in my Applications categories yet
12:18.40bootkillerMisan, what distribution are you using
12:18.57MisanOpenSuse - latest
12:19.19ZenGuy311is that a server application?
12:19.32MisanServer Application? No it is just the Client
12:20.38ZenGuy311ok just right-click on you kde start menu button  and select edit menu
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12:21.09bootkillerwierd, opensuse doesn't have teamspeak on their repos...
12:21.33MisanYeah, Ok. thank you ZenGuy. There I can add it manuallsy
12:21.36Misanmanually*
12:21.56ZenGuy311the menu editor needs a search option
12:22.11ZenGuy311whichever category you prefer
12:22.39Misanokay, but where do I move Teamspeak then? I don't wan't it to leave it in home/downloads
12:22.52Misanapps are usually in usr/bin ?
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12:23.33ZenGuy311or /usr/local/bin
12:23.42Misanok, where is the difference?
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12:25.43ZenGuy311now sure
12:25.45ZenGuy311not*
12:26.30Misanhmm, when I wan't to move files to /usr/local/bin/ I get "access denied - could not write to /usr/local/bin".. Do I have to be root and move it over with terminal?
12:26.39Misanif it even does make sense to move it there4
12:28.03MisanI'll just create a Software Folder in /home
12:28.17ZenGuy311yeah.. mines is ~/bin
12:28.49bootkillerit should go to /opt/teamspeak***
12:31.16Misanwell, I have no rights to move it to /opt either
12:31.28Misanso It has to be somewhere in my /home folder
12:31.51bootkilleryou can move it there as root
12:31.58Misanyeah but only via console
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12:32.55Misanwow.. this is really painful to add new software.. I have to find an appropriate Icon now.
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12:35.38bootkilleryou should blame teamspeak, as they don't provide a proper installer or files for repackaging
12:35.56Misanhmm I see
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12:36.26MisanWell, I found an icon.. added it as Item in the category Internet.. but I can't find it when I search for "teamspeak" in the KDE Menu
12:37.22ZenGuy311dide you save?
12:37.35MisanYes
12:38.51ZenGuy311may need to restart your menu although i just saved 3 new entries and they appeared immediately
12:39.12Misanhmm
12:39.48Misanwell it does appear when I look for it in the category I placed it
12:39.55Misanbut not when I just search for teamspeak
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12:43.28ZenGuy311add it to your favorites list
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14:07.35rsplenumI once had it in kde 4.10 but can't remember how, so if someone could help ?
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15:15.37fulcanhow do you reset the kde desktop without borking the session?
15:15.52annmaborking the session?
15:16.03annmawhy do you want to "reset" the desktop?
15:16.08annmawhat is not working?
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15:16.17fulcancntrl backspace is not an option.
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15:16.36fulcanjust reload the desktop icons
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15:18.30fulcanthe desktop crashed everything but terminal, which is running a process for 3 more hrs doing a job.
15:19.12annmaso yo uhave a crashbacktrace?
15:19.18fulcanhow do I get my desktop back without killing terminal?  like what it tries to do automatically most of the time.
15:19.55annmarun "plasma-desktop" in terminal
15:25.35fulcancrap, it locked up so bad, I had to cntl backspaceit
15:28.31annmais that a new installation?
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15:32.16fulcanI have a sound card conflict. I have 2 cards that use the intel_snd driver, a junk hdmi and an azalia built-in. KDE manager shows a default audio device and hdmi (both are hdmi, it lies). yast config shows both azalia and hdmi but if I disable the hdmi, i 'still' only get/see/load the hdmi. I can't seem to kill the hdmi.
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15:32.45annmaI don't see how this would make plasma crash
15:33.32fulcanannma that issue died when I cntl bckspc
15:34.08fulcanit killed my app. another reason to stay away from desktops.
15:34.40annmayou probably have other problems
15:35.32fulcanwith the desktop, yeah. I am inside my dmesg like white on rice because I just solved a drive access issue.
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16:09.57wissam_Hi ,nepomuk service stub always crashes
16:10.08wissam_http://paste.kde.org/756704/
16:10.23wissam_is there a way to fix this?
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16:12.44rdieterwissam_: hard to say from that backtrace, but, in my experience, corrupt virtuoso db cause problems similar to that.  clearing/restting your db could help.  stop nepomuk (or simply logout), delete (and/or backup) ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/ (could be under ~/.kde4/ on some distros), and restart nepomuk (or re-login).  and see if that helps
16:13.59wissam_rdieter: I tried that before but that didn't help
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16:14.35rdieterok, then poke your distro.  it shouldnt be crashing on a fresh setup
16:14.58wissam_i'am using kubuntu 13.04
16:15.08rdieteresp with recent kde versions, 4.10.2+
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17:03.46killownanyone here uses 3 monitor setup?
17:04.22killownif I set up the xorg with nvidia settings then kde will not recognize the second monitor as a separated desktop
17:04.29killownit will integrate the screen of both monitors
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17:04.40killownthe third monitor is a separated screen
17:05.07killownbut if I remove xorg.conf and set up the screen through kde settings this works fine
17:05.21killownexcept that after restart the settings is not restored
17:05.35killownor better saying the monitor settings is not being saved
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17:07.26kdelover2Is it possible in kde 4.10 to put text next to icons on desktop (right to the icons) instead of the bottom?
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17:09.07BluesKajkdelover2, system settings>application appearance>style>fine tuning
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17:09.59BluesKajoh next to icons on desktop oops ,...dunno
17:10.09kdelover2BluesKaj: that's for toolbars not for desktop
17:10.32BluesKajyeah , just noticed
17:11.56kdelover2I think I have seen some screenshot somewhere can't find it now. google shows nothing
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17:14.24killownhow do I disable kde from trying to control screen settings?
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17:23.48kdelover2I suppose "text beside icon on desktop" is not possible in KDE ( I don't think it's possible in gnome either)
17:23.48kdelover2:-/
17:26.05juancarlospacocool, Launchpad dont support unicode   :)
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17:31.10Sho_kdelover2: having recently worked on folder view: nope
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17:32.42willybilly0101hi
17:33.08willybilly0101is it possible to use kdepim (korganizer) to sync with an online public calendar?
17:33.20willybilly0101I want to have all the events from this site (http://www.cyprusevents.net/customfeeds/) to my calendar
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17:34.54Sho_willybilly0101: yes, iCal should work fine
17:35.27willybilly0101how can I do it?
17:35.39willybilly0101in order to auto-sync
17:35.58willybilly0101what resource should I add in akonadi?
17:36.23Sho_willybilly0101: Add Calender -> iCal calender file ... if it's an URL I *think* it should periodically redownload it, hm ..
17:36.41willybilly0101ah... that I knew, I would like it with sync
17:37.12Sho_well sync = periodic redownload, I guess?
17:37.23Sho_Cyprus is a lovely place, it's been too long since I visited
17:37.26willybilly0101yeah, but not by me
17:37.35willybilly0101well come
17:37.44willybilly0101on couchsurfing there are nice people
17:37.45willybilly0101:)
17:37.51willybilly0101;)
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17:38.54willybilly0101look when I add it to google calender it just syncs by itself, I don't have redownload anything. But I'm not using google anymore and would like to move this to kdepim
17:41.15Sho_well, i guess all you have to do is right-click -> update now and then, if it doesn't do it by itself ... i agree it would be nice if it had a periodic check, i thought it had
17:41.49Sho_willybilly0101: ah found it
17:42.15Sho_willybilly0101: after you add it, right-click -> folder properties, then Retrieval tab, disable using parent options, then set automatic sync to whatever you want
17:42.35Sho_http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopsk9703.png
17:44.21Sho_fascinating, there's an event for a showing of "Berlin Alexanderplatz" in Nicosia
17:44.24Sho_lives in Berlin
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17:58.16Sho_willybilly0101: did you find it?
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18:25.49willybilly0101second
18:27.17willybilly0101yes
18:27.20willybilly0101it seems to be working
18:27.22willybilly0101thanks
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19:46.52Moviurodoes KDE set UTF or ISO or is it the system's job ?
19:47.44Moviurobecause Kile saves files as ISO, which is bad since I need to use some accents...
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19:48.44Hail_Spacecakefor some reason KDE Mixer starts up every time I enter into KDE
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19:49.15Hail_Spacecakeit's not in the list of autostart programs
19:49.25Hail_Spacecakeand I have no idea how to tell it not to run at startup
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19:58.55ompaulHail_Spacecake: in system settings -> sys admin -> startup / shutdown || session managment On Logon -> start with an empty session    is useful - mostly you close it correctly and log out and it will not be there next time - but that other trick stops a lot of problems
19:59.25Hail_Spacecakeompaul that's already set
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20:00.21ompaulHail_Spacecake: then I am in the land of surprised
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20:19.44omeringenany way to use KAlarm without akonadi ?
20:19.49Phr33d0mno
20:20.09Phr33d0mno akonadi = no place to save the alarm data
20:20.30omeringenchecking alarm-clock-applet now
20:20.53thiagoit also uses akonadi
20:20.56willybilly0101why is everyone afraid of akonadi?
20:21.37Phr33d0mwillybilly0101 it's sloooooooow and has this "feature" of randomly using 100% cpu
20:21.51thiagoit's neither slow nor uses 100% CPU here
20:21.57Phr33d0myou're lucky
20:21.59willybilly0101I never saw the 100% thing
20:22.00thiagonor has, for at least 5 years
20:22.05thiagonepomuk does that, sometimes
20:22.07thiagonot akonadi
20:22.08willybilly0101and slow ... doesn't seem on my computer
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20:22.24thiagoI'm not lucky. Things are simply working as intended.
20:22.33willybilly0101nepomk... when indexing, but it's normal after all it's an indexing service, but it does not do it all the time
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20:22.53thiagoI disable nepomuk because I cannot accept that it uses more than 0% CPU when idle
20:22.58Phr33d0mthiago okay, then I mark this discussion as 'worksforsome'
20:23.04willybilly0101only thing is that it eats 250 Mb memory, but come on, memory is cheap :)
20:23.25thiagoPhr33d0m: we could look into your problem and see if there's anything misconfigured that needs fixing
20:23.32willybilly0101firefox goes to 400Mb
20:24.06willybilly0101no tabs open
20:24.48omeringenalarm-clock-applet works without akonadi
20:24.48Phr33d0mthiago before me, you would want to have a look at https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=nepomuk%20100%25%20cpu&list_id=670498 && https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=akonadi%20100%25%20cpu&list_id=670499 etc...
20:25.03Phr33d0mthiago not all of those are legit of course, but mostly that's what happens for people
20:25.30omeringennice ! so, alarm-clock-applet works but kalarm doesn't. . .
20:25.31thiagoignoring the first listing
20:25.51willybilly010161 bugs
20:25.57Phr33d0mand yeah, I should not be the one saying these things as I've been using KDE without 'semantic-desktop' for years now
20:26.11willybilly0101https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=kwrite
20:26.28Phr33d0mbut as a part-time supporter I've seen people with this issue a lot
20:27.09Phr33d0mand I *hope* that's not the case anymore, as I plan to enable semantic-desktop with 4.10.4 as I want to use dolphin's tags
20:28.05thiagoPhr33d0m: in the second listing, half of the reports are about nepomuk too
20:28.12thiagothat's why I disable it
20:28.29thiagoI've never been able to use it
20:28.48Phr33d0mby what you said: <thiago> I disable nepomuk because I cannot accept that it uses more than 0% CPU when idle <==== I understood something different
20:29.17thiagoI don't mind processes using CPU when they're doing something useful
20:29.24thiagowhat I don't accept is that they use CPU when idle
20:29.37thiagonepomuk is meant to index. Fair enough, do it, then sleep.
20:29.57thiagoit fails on the second part. It uses 1 or 2% CPU when indexing has been done for hours.
20:30.25Phr33d0mit checks for new files to index? ;)
20:30.38omeringenanyway, i still don't understand why kalarm needs akonadi. All i wanted is setting an alarm.
20:31.00thiagoPhr33d0m: not acceptable. It must use 0% CPU.
20:31.16thiagoPhr33d0m: no active polling. It must make do with notifications from the kernel, or not do it at all.
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20:31.36Phr33d0momeringen $ sleep <seconds> && vlc <some power metal song>.mp3
20:32.05omeringeni already set an alarm with alarm-clock-applet. But we already have an app for this, it's just meanless.
20:32.30Phr33d0mthiago nothing I can do about it unfortunately
20:33.29thiagoPhr33d0m: fortunately, there is something I can do about it: turn nepomuk off
20:33.57Phr33d0mthiago and can you do something as a developer? ;)
20:34.19thiagoI wish I had the time to overhaul nepomuk
20:34.22thiagobut alas, no
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21:35.36aboudreaultwith kde remote desktop. How can we disable the server popup confirmation? when attempting to connect
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21:48.22laserbeanhello, how i can move notifications from upper left corner of the screen back to the notification area in the panel? KDE 4.10.2 on OpenSUSE 12.3
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21:49.57aboudreaulthmm.. krdc is very slow... using a lan connection. with Normal resolution and medium quality
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22:41.16Moviuro_Well, calligra words just destroyed one of my ODT files :'( I had 2 intend levels for lists within lists and now it's all in one giant list...
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