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00:02.18kylie_Anyone here use KRecipes?
00:02.36kylie_It feels like a dead-ish project.
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03:45.37alusionguys, I love KDE so much
03:45.42alusionbut lately on my ubuntu machine
03:45.47alusionIt's been highly unstable
03:45.59alusionHow can I send more effective bug reports when my system goes kaputt
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05:35.11Ramchandra_ApteWhere can I ask KDE dev questions?
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05:37.36Sho_Ramchandra_Apte: #kde-devel
05:37.43Ramchandra_ApteSho_: thanks
05:37.56Sho_yw
05:38.56totemstupid question; how to copy icons application to taskbar? please. (i'm a gnome veteran)
05:39.24Ramchandra_Aptetotem: what do you mean exactly?
05:39.38Sho_totem: usually by navigating to them in the menu, right-clicking and pressing "Add to Panel"
05:39.39Ramchandra_Aptetotem: well to add an icon to the taskbar, drag the icon to the taskbar.
05:40.04totemRamchandra_Apte, i need more icons in my taskbar
05:40.05Ramchandra_Apte(one can even add URLs)
05:40.10totemlemme check
05:40.50totemeurika eurika
05:41.06totemwait, but not in the left. drag it?
05:43.22totemRamchandra_Apte, how to move the icons? no drag required
05:44.08Ramchandra_Aptetotem: try pressing the plasma logo at the right (it looks like a foot) and then dragging the icon
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06:01.39joakoHow do I add a program to the quick start on the taskbar?
06:02.25Ramchandra_Aptejoako: drag the program icon in kickstart to the taskbar
06:02.28Ramchandra_Apte(DISC
06:04.13joakoRamchandra_Apte: Now when I do that and click it, a second icon shows up when I run the program. How can I disable that?
06:04.45Ramchandra_Aptejoako: do you want a icon task manager (like windoz 7 or unity)?
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06:05.35joakoRamchandra_Apte: I want an icon like the default dolphin icon. I was able to add it by dragging but when I click it and the program is running a 2nd icon shows up next to the clock
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07:03.14cjaeis kde 4.9 backported for 12.04 yet?
07:03.38cjaeoops wrong channel
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08:15.00Miscnihi all
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08:15.08Miscnicurious question
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09:13.59CosmicBI can't find any 'download messages for offline bla bla bla' for imap in kmail ... I'd like kmail to download all my imap stuff to local disk, it kind of annoys me to wait for kmail to download mail in folders with lots of mail. Does kmail support that ? I haven't found any 'knob' to switch on regarding that
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09:15.56CosmicBhmm, might be 'folder -> properties -> retrieval -> always retrieve full messages' trying that
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09:19.39Peace-i have a problem with rc 3
09:19.43Peace-and the menu
09:19.59Peace-before files that i have created here /home/sem/.kde/share/applications/kde4/
09:20.06Peace-was readed by system
09:20.08Peace-now they are not
09:20.16Peace-i mean i have not the entry in the menu
09:20.29Peace-with 4.8 worked
09:23.03skramer_how can I make kwallet open on top of the program it wants to access? I open a website in rekonq, kwallet asking if I allow it to fill the form. But the kwallet window does not appear on top of rekonq, but behind it...
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09:23.37Peace-skramer_: type in konsone kwa then press TAB
09:23.41Peace-AH
09:23.43Peace-:d
09:23.56Peace-konsole
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09:25.18skramer_Peace-: but I don´t think this would help solve my problem, would it?
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09:25.32Peace-skramer_: kwalletmanager
09:25.45Peace-skramer_: try is not die
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09:31.10skramer_To make it more clear, I want the window shown on this screenshot http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/23/Screen1.png to open on top of rekonq, not behind the rekonq window...
09:31.18TaokiHi. In KDE 4.8.5, there was an error causing Gwenview to be unable to open some images (and generate thumbnails for them) with a message saying "metadata loading failed" or something like that. I heard that was fixed in 4.9, but I have KDE 4.9.5 and still get this problem. Anyone know why?
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09:31.54TaokiSorry, it's "loading meta information failed"
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09:32.01Peace-skramer_: ah sorry i readed bad
09:32.11Peace-skramer_: mmm for that maybe some kwin tweak
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09:32.40skramer_Peace-: no problem :-)
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09:33.35Peace-skramer_: here system settings window behavior http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/23/plasma-desktopXm2105.png
09:33.42Peace-skramer_: i guess you need to do that stuff
09:33.57Peace-not pretty sure btw
09:35.09skramer_Peace-: actually I already tried to change the window´s settings there. But it seems they are not stored, so each time I try again, the kwallet window still opens behind rekonq & the settings I did are lost...
09:35.30Peace-skramer_: mmm let me try
09:36.05Peace-skramer_: did you dected the window ?
09:36.11Peace-detected
09:37.14Peace-skramer_: btw i use kwallet but i choose allow always
09:37.16Peace-:O
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09:39.38skramer_Peace-: what you mean by "detect the window"?
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09:40.56Peace-skramer_: look http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/23/plasma-desktopWI2105.png
09:41.33Peace-skramer_: detect window proprietes
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09:42.09Peace-skramer_: properties
09:44.12skramer_Peace-: does not seem to have an effect...
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09:46.06Peace-skramer_: dunno
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09:48.00skramer_Peace-: what confuses me now is: in system settings I see the values I changed. But if I right-click the kwallet window directly, an go to "special settings for this window" th changes are not shown...
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09:52.03Peace-skramer_: dunno man sorry i don't use very often that stuff
09:52.26skramer_Peace-: I see, will  keep tryin ;-)
09:52.39skramer_Peace-: thank you, man!
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09:59.16skramer_Peace-: hehe, I finally got it! Same settings as you suggest / I tried before. But now it works :-) Thank you again!
10:00.46Peace-skramer_: good
10:01.35Peace-skramer_: have you a scanner ?
10:01.51skramer_Peace-: yes, I do have
10:02.10Peace-skramer_: hp ?
10:02.24skramer_Peace-: no, Mustek
10:02.41Peace-skramer_: i did a service menu for dolphin to acquire from scanner
10:02.52Peace-skramer_: would you test it?
10:03.08Peace-skramer_: you have not to say yes :P
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10:03.56skramer_Peace-: would it also be able to work over LAN? because the scanner is connected to my other computer that´s not running kubuntu...
10:04.12Peace-skramer_: it should but i am not sure
10:04.31skramer_Peace-: so we shall give it a try ;-)
10:04.32Peace-skramer_: skramer_:  you need to install imagemagick sane-utils
10:04.47Peace-skramer_: skramer_:  you need to install imagemagick sane-utils perl
10:05.03Peace-skramer_: then cd /tmp/; wget http://kde-peace-settings.googlecode.com/files/kde-service-menu-peace-scanner_0.5.0.tar.gz ; servicemenuinstallation kde-service-menu-peace-scanner*.tar.gz
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10:06.11Peace-skramer_: on dolphin => right click in empty folder => actions => acquire from scanner
10:07.37skramer_Peace-: do I need ruby for the servicemenuinsallation?
10:07.43Peace-yes
10:07.55Peace-on kubuntu there is a bug on the debian package
10:08.01Peace-that doesn't install ruby
10:08.14Peace-so servicemenuinstallation doens't work
10:08.37Peace-and btw installin ruby you will be able to install service menu properly form dolphin setttings
10:09.06skramer_Peace-: so let´s install ruby first...
10:09.37Peace-skramer_: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/23/plasma-desktopum2105.png
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10:11.01Peace-skramer_: the service menu will work if scanimage -L gives you something
10:11.18Peace-skramer_: if scanimage -L will not  you will not be able to use it
10:11.55Peace-so i guess you should install  sane-utils
10:12.00Peace-skramer_: btw i use kubuntu too
10:12.52skramer_Peace-: local  installation or system wide installation? what´s the difference? the 1st installs only for m user, while 2nd is for all people on that machine??
10:13.21Peace-skramer_: local
10:13.29Peace-skramer_: sure
10:15.04Peace-mm i could upgrade the installer removing wide
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10:16.17BluesKajHey all
10:16.57skramer_Peace-: works great
10:17.13Peace-skramer_: got an image ? do you see it well ?
10:17.23Peace-skramer_: please scanner model :P
10:18.09skramer_http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/23/NewScannerDocument.jpeg
10:18.18Peace-skramer_: good
10:18.31skramer_the scanner is a Mustek 1248UB
10:18.58Peace-skramer_: options was printed well ?
10:19.05Peace-i mean color gray etc ?
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10:20.10Peace-skramer_: anyway tx for testing it
10:20.24skramer_Peace-: yes, it worked well.
10:21.18skramer_Peace-: I just wonder you could use radiobuttons rather than having me to write "Gray"or whatever..
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10:22.10Peace-skramer_: well because of scannerimage doens't print everytime the same stuff for each scanner i had to use that mode
10:22.17Peace-skramer_: it's safer
10:22.52Peace-sometimes infacts it prints options in this way Gray|Color|etc
10:23.04skramer_Peace-: ok, I don´t have knowledge about that..
10:23.53skramer_Peace-: but now it seems that it only worked one time, I can´t get a second image...
10:24.06Peace-skramer_: mm
10:24.21Peace-skramer_: you should receive notifications
10:24.34Peace-on that notifications you should read the command was runned
10:24.55skramer_Peace-: yes, I get the notifications, but the scanner does not do anything now...
10:25.26Peace-skramer_: read the notification
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10:26.04Peace-skramer_: you can copy and paste in terminal
10:26.44Peace-skramer_: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/23/plasma-desktopoD2105.png
10:27.15Peace-skramer_: they are 2 command one acquire the second converts
10:27.35skramer_Peace-: yes, I got that notification
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10:34.35skramer_Peace-: the problem might be the settings I selected... now I can´t detect the scanner through scanimage -L
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10:34.55Peace-skramer_: mmm so it will not work
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10:35.30Peace-skramer_: scanimage detects the scanner with -L option only the first time
10:36.25skramer_Peace-: I deleted the stored settings & started again just to find out that the scanne
10:36.40skramer_Peace-: r is not detected anymore...
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10:38.28Peace-skramer_: well i dunno what you did
10:38.47Peace-it seems it's not plugged \ installed correctly
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10:39.13Peace-skramer_: i mean it' s a program based on scanimage
10:39.26Peace-scanimage fails => service menu will fail too
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10:42.34skramer_Peace-: I removed the scanner now & plugged in again -> new test ;-)
10:43.13Peace-skramer_: it could be not well supported :/
10:46.27skramer_Peace-: should the A4 size be 210 instead of 215?
10:47.16skramer_Peace-: and you should add PDF as output format ;-)
10:48.50Peace-skramer_: mm i think it should be correct what you get in the script
10:48.55Peace-but check on wikipedia
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10:51.28skramer_Peace-: ok, so now with different settings I managed to scan a second page without problem :-)
10:51.54Peace-skramer_: :)
10:52.35skramer_Peace-: I guess the problem I had before is related to my scanner & your program is working well
10:53.21Peace-skramer_: you can get all the settings with this scanimage -A
10:53.35Peace-of course i used only the basics
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11:07.25skramer_Peace-: I have translated your app to german language. how do I send you the modified .desktop file?
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11:11.37toskyskramer_: please contact the translation team for your language
11:12.31toskyskramer_: translation teams make sure that the translations are consistent and establish translation guidelines for the respective languages
11:12.57toskyskramer_: more information here: http://l10n.kde.org/, the team pages can be reached from http://l10n.kde.org/teams-list.php
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11:13.54toskythis is for programs already published on the KDE infrastructure, of course
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11:25.41Peace-skramer_: mmm mail ?
11:25.52Peace-skramer_: nowardev@gmail.com
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11:26.48Peace-tosky: it's a service menu that i just did
11:26.55toskyPeace-: ah, ok :
11:26.57tosky:)
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11:27.28Peace-tosky: btw i should check even the english language cuz i am not sure that is written well :D
11:34.29skramer_Peace-: I sent you the file now, english seemed okay except that I would write "Aquire from Scanner" instead of "Acquire  with Scanner"...
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12:11.29Peace-skramer_: Menü Einstellungen auf is correct?
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12:14.04skramer_Peace-: in which context?
12:14.38Peace-skramer_: i ahve changed a line in the desktop file
12:14.53Peace-skramer_: Name=Settings Service Menu
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12:16.00skramer_Peace-: changesettings?
12:17.02Peace-skramer_: i guess i will replace with only SETTINGS
12:17.07Peace-:)
12:17.14skramer_Peace-: I would just say Einstellungen in German
12:17.37skramer_Peace-: that would be much better then :)
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12:18.02Peace-ok done even in your language
12:18.38skramer_:D
12:19.45Peace-skramer_: http://code.google.com/p/kde-peace-settings/source/browse/#git%2Fkde-services-menu
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12:27.20skramer_Peace-: still, I would like to have the choice between saving as image or as PDF. maybe in next version? ;-)
12:27.57Peace-skramer_: let me try with convert
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12:28.48Peace-skramer_: mm it seems it works
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12:33.50Peace-skramer_: uploading
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12:34.04Peace-skramer_: here it is http://kde-peace-settings.googlecode.com/files/kde-services-menu-0.0.1.tar.gz
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13:29.19loki42Hi, have some problems with the 4.10 beta: i could not add any widgets, because of missing attribute erros in org.kde.desktop.widgetexplorer/contents/ui/main.qml, anyone else with this problem?
13:32.59ZenGuy311Peace-:  any chance you could add screenshots for your Plasma panels- collections .. p.s you have it spelled incorrectly "Plama-Panels-Collection" when it should be "Plasma-Panel-Collection"
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13:34.02Peace-ZenGuy311: screenshot where ? you mean on google code?
13:34.17ZenGuy311yes.. screenshot of the panels
13:34.20ZenGuy311please
13:34.26Peace-ah.... boring :D
13:34.37Peace-ZenGuy311: there is a video btw on youtube
13:34.40ZenGuy311i'm a visual person
13:34.45ZenGuy311link?
13:35.11Peace-ZenGuy311: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWNkHOA56O4
13:35.23ZenGuy311the homepage is sparse.. i had to go to the source to see the readme which is somethign i don't usually do since i'm nto a programmer
13:35.28ZenGuy311thanks
13:37.37Peace-ZenGuy311: btw there is on kde apps http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Plasma+Panels+Collections?content=155726
13:37.44Peace-ZenGuy311: i guess it's the best i can do it
13:37.49Peace-it/now
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13:42.03Peace-ZenGuy311: and the you said is spelled bad but there are mor than a panel so i guess panels is correct but english is not my laanguage
13:42.05Peace-so..
13:42.51ZenGuy311i was talking about "Plasma"
13:43.23ZenGuy311oh didn't know it was on kde apps .. i was looking at the google code page
13:43.29ZenGuy311nice video
13:43.38ZenGuy311nice desktop
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14:04.46Peace-ZenGuy311: wallpaper made by me :D
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15:07.11cladHi ! When trying to pair a bluetooth headset, it only appears a fraction of second in KDE's bluetooth interface right when the headset is set to discover, then disappear before I can do anything. Any pointers ?
15:07.23cladUsing opensuse 12.2 64bits
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15:16.38Peace-clad: mm have you installed every package?
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15:17.01Peace-clad: i am using kubuntu and if i have not all the packages i need i can even browser my bluethoo devicce
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15:17.26Peace-clad: here on kubuntu sudo apt-get install bluetooth bluez bluez-alsa bluez-cups bluez-gstreamer bluez-utils libbluetooth3 python-bluez libmulticobex1 libobexftp0 libopenobex1 obex-data-server obexd-client python-obexftp obexfs
15:17.43Peace-and now exiting
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15:23.43mabsQuick KMail question. How do I navigate through the mails in the mail folder using the keyboard. If I select a mail and press arrow down, KMail scrolls in the content of mail and not in the list of mails.
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15:26.16neverendingomabs: left and right arrow keys
15:27.19mabsneverendingo, thanks a lot :)
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15:31.53MichaelPAny linux distro's that load desktop faster and run apps faster?
15:32.40DaZwut
15:33.32MichaelPIs there a distro that runs kde faster then others?
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15:33.52rdietermake sure to select "make it go faster" checkbox (yes, sarcasm)
15:34.14DaZdepends
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15:34.37DaZon gentoo you can probably compile it without some useless stuff :v
15:35.39MichaelPI'm not that advanced
15:36.13DaZthen you have to get better hardware :v
15:36.34rdieterMichaelP: then, imo, no, there isn't any distro measurably better by your standard
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15:36.42MichaelPI mean with building the distro
15:38.07MichaelPGuess could go back to arch.. It don't have the 50.000 uneeded packages
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15:51.36edgyHi, I see most distros make hunspell dict available via myspell directory too, are there any kde apps that require this? isn't myspelll deprecated in favor of hunspell?
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16:08.10rdieteredgy: kde can support all manner of spelling backends
16:08.25BaylinkREFERRAL: Where do the KDE3 people hang out?  (SuSE 12.1, specifically; Firefox drag and drop problem and I don't see a -desktop or -integration package in the repo)
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16:08.44rdieteredgy: and it is largely abstracted (like phonon is for multimedia)
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16:09.31edgyrdieter: so I want to create a package for hunspell-?? where ?? is my language, I don't need to symlink to /usr/share/myspell as well, right?
16:10.05rdieteredgy: that's an implementation detail I usually leave up to my distro to handle for me.  are you making your own distro or something?
16:10.39edgyrdieter: my distro doesn't contain a dic for my language so I want to contribute by creating a package for it
16:10.56rdieteredgy: ok, then I'd suggest asking your distro
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16:11.18rdieterand start by looking at examples of how other languages are handled and done via packaging
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16:11.50edgyrdieter: ok, the other question is why do we have dicts for english .eg. for each country, why not en_US and en_GB?
16:12.05rdieteri don't know
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16:12.53heathi can zoom in and out within konsole and other kde apps using ctl++ and ctl+- but it actually passes the "+" and "-" characters in yakuake, ideas?
16:14.16edgyrdieter: thanks, to clarify more: in kde apps I see things like Engish (Canada), English (Australia), ..., I thought English is either US or GB, can any Engish native speaker confirms this?
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16:19.41BluesKajedgy, English (Canada) and English (Australia) still use some British spellings , but also quite a few North American spellings that the brits don't use
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16:22.03BluesKajedgy, for example "gaol" in British English is "jail" in Canada and the US
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16:30.24BaylinkModern Brits don't actually still spell it gaol, do they?
16:34.13invariantI would like to be able to select some files and drag the filesnames into an editor (don't care which one). Is this possible?
16:36.07BluesKajBaylink, yeah , could be right , it's been a while since I've seen the word spelled gaol
16:36.30BaylinkI do, but only when I'm playing around
16:37.24BluesKajinvariant, copy the file name from their properties field
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16:38.08BluesKajok , bbl..stuff to do
16:39.20Baylinkinvariant: I assume you mean "a bunch of filenames all at once"?  Have you tried multi-selecting them in a details view file window, and copying?  What do you get?  Which editor?
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16:47.51edgyBluesKaj: thanks, I tried echo gaol | hunspell -d en_US and it says it's correct, too.
16:48.19edgyevn echo summarize | hunspell -d en_GB show it's correct
16:48.40edgyso if all English words are in all dicts, why is the distinction?!
16:49.39jokkehey folks, i'm having some issues with sound upon wake up.
16:49.45jokkeas in, it's gone
16:50.11jokkei don't have pulse installed, and i'd rather keep it that way
16:50.27jokkebut might this be the issue?
16:50.49rdieterjokke: not a kde problem (nor pulseaudio), most likely kernel/driver related (best ask your distro)
16:51.04jokkerdieter: might be... using mainline kernel.
16:51.11jokkealright
16:51.20jokkei'll try out with another kernel
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17:45.55invariantWhy do people ask "which editor" when I said that I didn't care about the specific editor?
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17:47.35toskyinvariant: maybe it was a misunderstanding, he tought that you already tried
17:47.40toskyinvariant: and it didn't work
17:47.52toskyinvariant: anyway: select all, right click, open with, kate
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17:48.05Zero_Angelor notepad.exe through wine
17:48.21invarianttosky, I don't want to open the files. I just want the file names.
17:48.41toskyah
17:48.48toskythis time I misread :)
17:49.11toskyno idea, then
17:51.00Zero_Angelyou're trying to list all files in a directory and have it put into a text file?
17:51.10Zero_Angelsorry I got here late
17:51.28invariantNo, just a dolphin selection of files.
17:51.40invariantYou don't need to tell me about the basics of the shell.
17:52.11invariantI already wrote it myself now, but these are the kinds of things for which people still need to start terminals.
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17:52.22Zero_Angelindeed
17:52.32invariantBut there is really no need for it.
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17:53.49Zero_AngelI have some shell scripts kicking around, it shouldnt be much trouble to adapt them into 'paste name of this file into a text file' script
17:56.28Zero_Angelso you would want the names of the selected files to be pasted into a text file in the current dir?
17:56.45Zero_Angelor, say to the desktop?
17:59.38invariantZero_Angel, no, just to the clipboard.
17:59.54invariantZero_Angel, er no
18:00.04invariantZero_Angel, I just want it to work via drag and drop.
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18:00.21invariantIt could optionally ask what I want it to do.
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18:00.47Zero_Angeloh, I wouldnt know how to put things into the clip board
18:00.49invariantBut in the case of large binary files it should just do the only thing that makes sense.
18:00.58Zero_Angelunless there was a DBUS command for that
18:01.24invariantZero_Angel, it needs application support to make this work.
18:01.33Zero_Angelor even better, DCOP. Man I miss DCOP.
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18:03.13Zero_Angelwhat are you trying to drop to?
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18:09.13neverendingoqdbus org.kde.dolphin-xxxx /dolphin/Dolphin_1/actions/edit_copy trigger
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18:15.29Zero_Angeloh interesting. Is there a way for a shell script to get the ID of a dolphin instance that called it?
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18:19.21Zero_Angelit would appear that xclip is a CLI util that can put things into the clipboard too
18:20.28Zero_AngelThat could be adapted into a shellscript, for example to paste the names of the currently selected files into a temporary text file, then use xclip to put that list into the clipboard
18:21.16Zero_Angelthen pass those those files as args into whatever the heck invariant wants to do
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18:24.04Paddy_NIDoes kde have a dlna server ?
18:24.18DaZno
18:24.32Paddy_NIOh...?
18:24.39DaZooh!
18:24.45Paddy_NIare there any plans for kde to have any dlna funtionality
18:24.59Paddy_NIafaik gnome are baking rygel into gnome
18:25.22svuorelawhat is dnla ?
18:25.33Paddy_NIdlna
18:25.43toskysvuorela: something over upnp to share files between smart devices
18:25.53Paddy_NIsvuorela: http://www.dlna.org/
18:25.59Paddy_NIIt's a must have
18:26.38DaZdunnolol, i only use it on my tv which is too stupid for sshfs for now :v
18:26.57Zero_Angelwell you could always install a program called 'PS3 Media Server'. It's not only for streaming to PS3s.
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18:27.30Paddy_NIthen that seems utterly pointless unless I also buy a ps3
18:27.44Paddy_NIwhich I have no interest in doing...
18:28.00Zero_Angelre-read my last chat message. Pay attention to the last sentence.
18:28.11toskyanyway, rygel works as a server, so...
18:28.21Paddy_NII have a nexus 7 (tablet), xperia p(phone) a couple of laptops(Windows 7 & Ubuntu (gnome remix) and a tower pc (opensuse kde)
18:28.44Paddy_NIall of these are able to operate with my smart tv the only lagger behind in kde
18:28.54Zero_AngelPS3 MS does general DLNA functionality
18:29.02toskyPaddy_NI: again, nothing prevents you from using rygel
18:29.04Paddy_NItosky: actually rygel fails without most of the gnome desktop installed
18:29.06Zero_Angelso all your devices that support DLNA should accept the streams from it
18:29.16toskyPaddy_NI: just libraries, no big issues
18:29.21Paddy_NItosky: I know as I have been trying to get it working for 2 weeks
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18:29.54Paddy_NIokay so I'll just get this straight KDE does not have any dlna support natively?
18:30.11toskyPaddy_NI: funny enough, I realized I had a DLNA server running on my home server when I tried do browse DLNA resources with upnp... it was installed and it shared stuff from common folders
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18:30.51Paddy_NItosky: I don't really run a home server as such
18:31.01Paddy_NImost of the devices are on demand here really
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18:31.45toskyPaddy_NI: my point was that I didn't need to configure anything :)
18:32.11Paddy_NItosky: Well in order for dlna to work you need a dlna server and a renderer
18:32.22Paddy_NIwell and of course the client
18:32.33Paddy_NIrygel does the serving and rendering
18:32.56toskyPaddy_NI: right, but you were asking about  "a dlna server ?"
18:33.01Paddy_NIyes
18:33.05Paddy_NIand does kde have one
18:33.08Paddy_NI:-)
18:33.43toskyis it important? The important thing would be the client (there is a kio-upnp usable but not yet officially stable)
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18:33.56Paddy_NIoh?
18:34.41Paddy_NIYeah rygel fails here...
18:35.16Paddy_NIhttp://pastebin.com/ttHuVBjj
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18:36.42Paddy_NIZero_Angel: Sorry I did not pay attention
18:36.56Paddy_NImy bad.. I'll have a look at ps3 media server
18:37.08Paddy_NIthey should seriously consider a proper name
18:37.15Zero_Angeloh yeah, i can now see how that could be misunderstood
18:37.17toskyPaddy_NI: it doesn't look like a failure - can you see your system with upnp-inspector or vlc?
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18:37.50Paddy_NItosky: It does not show up on my tablet or phone
18:37.57Paddy_NII could go check the smart tv
18:38.22toskyPaddy_NI: try locally first (upnp-inspector or vlc-network browing functionality)
18:38.33Paddy_NIokay just a moment :-)
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18:40.55Paddy_NItosky: No it does not show up in "upnp-inspector"
18:41.17toskyok, no idea then
18:41.55Paddy_NIhmm.. I wonder if opensuse has a firewall enabled by default
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18:43.22toskybut upnp-inspector should work on the same machine
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18:43.32Paddy_NIah okay
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19:48.07Zero_Angelwould anyone know how to turn off join/leave notifications in Quassel?
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19:50.15Paddy_NIbtw KDE rocks
19:50.27Paddy_NIthank you kindly :-D
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19:51.27Zero_Angelah, right click on name of chat and select 'hide events'
19:52.01ovidiu-florinthank you Zero_Angel
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19:55.41the_gamerin ktorrent, how to get back into the menu to choose what files from a torrent to download?
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20:00.57ZenGuy311settings
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20:01.15ZenGuy311sorry
20:01.26ZenGuy311select the torrent and click "files"
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20:01.48diddlyhi all, when I rotate with krandrtray (nvidia) the desktop rotates, but the virtual desktop remains in native resulotion and allows me to pan-and-scan
20:02.13ZenGuy311i have a service menu entry that i would like to activate with a button  on dolphin.. how can I go about doing that?
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20:08.40reactormonkZenGuy311, register a keybinding? Or do you want to add a new menu button?
20:09.00ZenGuy311menu button
20:09.25ZenGuy311i should try a key binding though that isn't as appealing though
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20:10.04ZenGuy311reactormonk:  where do i go to add a keybinding?
20:10.41the_gamerZenGuy311, can't find the button/wrting saying "files"
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20:53.43rindolfYay! Amarok is fixed on Mageia Linux 3.
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20:54.21BluesKajrindolf, fixed how ?
20:55.11BluesKajwhat was wrong ?
20:55.40rindolfBluesKaj: it crashed on startup.
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21:00.12BluesKajrindolf, ok , it's somewhat more stable here on kubuntu 13.04 ...still freezes once in a while
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21:02.53sytheBluesKaj: Try Linux Mint KDE, or Netrunner, or Chakra
21:03.00sytheMuch better KDE distros than Kubuntu, IMO
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21:04.32ompaulBluesKaj: you are running an unstable version what do you expect, it is not released yet, move to an older one, or install someone elses stable else get into your distro (say debian sid()) and get on with reporting bugs against your desktop :) #
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21:04.51rindolfBluesKaj: now it's OK.
21:05.41mintuserI have a problem with kwallet messing things up.  I have no desire to ever use anything like that.  How can I get rid of kwallet or find out exactly how it has been interfering with things?
21:06.01mintuseror do I have to just give up on using kde>
21:06.03mintuser?
21:06.38mintuserIs there anyone here?   Is this an active channel?  Is there somewhere else I should ask instead?
21:07.14mintuserI have spent hours on my distro channel and the consensus is that only you folks can help me.
21:07.27mintuserif there are any folks here.
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21:07.36mintuserhmmm
21:08.08mintuserrindolf: BluesKaj  can you help me
21:09.17mintuserI was warned on my distro channel not to attempt to puge kwallet but rather to come here and ask.  can you help BluesKaj rindolf ?
21:09.18BluesKajompaul, yes I'm quite aware of that  and I'm not complaining , merely commenting and also have a kubuntu 12.10 as my main OS, which is very stable . I'm a Kubuntu-devel tester, so  I've come to expect instability
21:09.43mintuseroh BluesKaj could you please help me?
21:10.00rindolfmintuser: hi.
21:10.11mintuseroh hi rindolf , can you help me?
21:10.15rindolfmintuser: I think you can use an empty password with kdewallet.
21:10.58mintuseroh I thought that was what was causing me all my problems.  I did that.  but I am also concerned that kwallet might be grabbing my other passwords -- a huge security risk.
21:11.11mintuserhow can I get rid of kdewallet altogether?
21:11.22mintuserit is causing lots of problems.
21:11.37BluesKajmintuser, , alt +f2 , kwalletmanager , then choose settings>configure wallet , uncheck "enable wallet manager ,if you don't plan to use it
21:13.26mintuserah, thank you: I assume I can do that from a terminal instead.
21:13.33mintuserodd: The program 'kwalletmanager' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
21:13.33mintusersudo apt-get install kwalletmanager
21:14.15mintuserperhaps I actually purged it before when it was causing problems.
21:14.29BluesKajmintuser, use the desktop krunner , it's easier
21:14.42mintusermy problem is that something is stopping passwords from getting to the various programs I run that require passwords.
21:14.50BluesKajalt +f2
21:15.30Mamaroksomebody should update the topic...
21:16.09mintuseroh no.  I hate getting out of the terminal, I am a strictly cli person, but if you insist.
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21:17.37mintuserof course it does nothing from alt+f2 and you don't get the error message that way.
21:17.52BluesKajmintuser, if you like fooling around in config files in the terminal , be my guest , but finding some apps and dealing with their settings in a gui is easier
21:17.59mintuserBluesKaj: where in heavens name did you get the idea using krunner was easier?
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21:18.39BluesKajmintuser, it ain't easy if you purged it :)
21:18.41mintuserBluesKaj: I despise guis and am totally comfortable on the command line etc., but since you are the one helping me, I am certainly willing to do things your way.
21:19.37mintuserI don't remember purging it but do remember it making me want to throw the computer out the window so wouldn't put it past me.
21:20.24mintuserBluesKaj: can you still help me?
21:20.35mintusershould I reinstall it?
21:20.39BluesKajwell , sorry to disappoint you mintuser , I'm not a cli purist ..guiis are there for a purpose , being an old windows guy it's simpler for me on linux
21:21.07mintuserBluesKaj: I said I would do things via gui.  that is the least I can do if you are willing to help me,
21:21.12BluesKajyeah probly reinstall , then disable
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21:21.42mintuserI will try that then. will you be here when I come back if I have problems?
21:22.00BluesKajyes . I'm here
21:22.06BluesKajmintuser,^
21:22.08danharibomintuser: have you re=installed kwallet?
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21:22.21BluesKajso are the rest of the helpers here
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21:23.49BluesKajmintuser, but if you've already stored passwords in kwallet then you may still have problems
21:24.05mintuserI installed and ran it but don't see where to disable it.
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21:24.38mintuserI never intentionally stored anything in kwallet.  does it grab them on its own?
21:24.41BluesKajuse krunner to bring it up
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21:25.39BluesKajno , you need to store the pws manually afaik, mintuser
21:25.50mintuserwhew
21:26.12BluesKajI despise it , nothing but a PITA
21:26.33mintuserI brought it up, but the only settings options it seems to have are shortcuts
21:26.55mintuserBluesKaj: now what?
21:27.48mintuserBluesKaj: what do I do now?
21:27.59BluesKajclick on settings , choose configure wallet
21:28.06mintuserok, done
21:28.24mintuserduh, it is on the very top.
21:29.21BluesKajmintuser, uncheck "enable wallet manager blah blah", apply
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21:30.04mintuserthanks I did that, but the problems don't seem to have disappeared.
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21:30.34BluesKajok , what problems ?
21:30.40MoviuroI really love KMail but really, WHY can't it respond instantly when I want it to display a new message...??? It's soooo boring ! Can't I just take a look at my mail while it has its own business alone ? WHY should the user's actions be disabled ?
21:31.02mintusernow I am getting the following:  KDE Control Module:   no agents were available for this request.
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21:31.48mintuserBluesKaj: any idea what the error message:  KDE Control Module:   no agents were available for this request. means?
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21:33.25mintuserBluesKaj: in general those programs for which I got a kwallet popup originally that I dismissed are failing to get the passwords I enter or failing to prompt for passwords when they should.
21:34.53mintuserBluesKaj: any ideas?
21:35.02BluesKajmintuser, what acyion are you foing when the errors occur?
21:35.04mintuserBluesKaj: any other questions?
21:35.08BluesKajaction
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21:36.20mintuserwell the one that concerns me most right now is trying to connect to a vpn server with openvpn as client.   It requires user-password authentication but it won't save the password when set to store and won't prompt for it when set to "always ask"
21:36.50mintuserBluesKaj: but it isn't limited to that.
21:37.07mintuserBluesKaj: that is just the most important at the moment.
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21:38.53mintuserBluesKaj: any ideas?
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21:39.15BluesKajthe only thing i can find is wifi problems and network manager errors with your errors
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21:40.57mintuserit is a network manager error.  network manager isn't allowing me to save a password for a vpn connection.
21:41.24mintuserbut I believe that is because of kwallet
21:41.36mintuserit has never happened before and everything else is identical.
21:41.58mintusermy distro channel agreed that they thought it was due to kwallet and they sent me here.
21:44.04BluesKajthis the closest I can find to your problem ...it's debian so it may apply , http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669702
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22:01.18Marquelmorning. i have a tiny problem with kmail: responsetimes are slow beyond comparison. it might be akonadi but before i delete my entire akonadi-database and rebuild it from scratch i wanted to see if anybody else has seen this problem lately.
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22:18.14mintuserBluesKaj: I discovered something else: kded(1680)/Network Management (service) SecretStorage::loadSecrets: Error opening kwallet. Secrets not loaded.
22:18.14mintuserkwalletd(3962): Communication problem with  "kwalletd" , it probably crashed.
22:18.14mintuserError message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
22:18.14mintuserplasma-desktop(2011)/plasma StatusNotifierItemSource::refreshCallback: DBusMenu disabled for this application
22:18.38mintuseroops that was 4 lines not 3.  sorry
22:20.13mintuserBluesKaj: are you still here?
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22:35.09mintusermck182, can you help?
22:35.26mck182what with?
22:35.53mintuserkwallet interference.   are you able to see anything I said before?
22:36.07mck182I am not
22:37.09mintuseroh.  I didn't want to use kwallet so I didn't give it a password and dismissed it whenever it popped up.   It seems at one point I even purged it.  It is preventing programs from getting passwords.
22:37.50mintusermck182: e.g. a network connection for openvpn -- it cannot store the password and if set to "always ask" it doesn't ask.
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22:38.12mintuseroh.  I didn't want to use kwallet so I didn't give it a password and dismissed it whenever it popped up.   It seems at one point I even purged it.  It is preventing programs from getting passwords.
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22:38.41mintuser<mintuser> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
22:38.41mintuser<mintuser> plasma-desktop(2011)/plasma StatusNotifierItemSource::refreshCallback: DBusMenu disabled for this application
22:39.00mck182tbh I don't know much about apps with kwallet disabled
22:39.14mintuserI do not want to ever use kwallet.   I need all these programs to work
22:42.29mintuserkwallet seems a huge security risk and i woul raher not have it at all
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22:43.07mintuserif nobody at #kde can help, who can?
22:44.03mintuserI used to really like kde before kwallet.  I had better avoid installing it ever again.
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22:44.35Torchi don't know if it can be left out at all
22:44.41Torchi just set an empty password and ignore it.
22:44.46Torchhave been doing so for years
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22:45.06mintuserthat is why i will have to avoid kde in the future
22:46.09Torchlet me know if you find something better ;-)
22:46.11mintuserTorch:   that is what seemed to cause my problems in the first place
22:46.41mintuserwhat do you mean something better Torch
22:47.01Torchmintuser:well, if you "have to avoid kde" you need to find a superior alternative, right?
22:47.09Torchmintuser: let us all know what that is when you've found it
22:47.32mintuserif what you said is true anything without kwallet would be better.
22:47.44mintusereven sls would be preferrable to this nightmare
22:47.59Torchmintuser: sls?
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22:48.37Torchmintuser: also please do note that leaving the password empty is my own personal preference and not mandated by either kde or kwallet
22:49.20mintuserwhy is it necessary to have kwallet at all?
22:49.44dcambie_mintuser: because it's convenient? :P
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22:50.16Torchmintuser: you need a way to securely store passwords in many applications. makes sense to have a central app to take care of that.
22:50.30mintuserdcambie: once more a distorted sense of convenience overtakes security and genuine convenience --  same mentality as cellphone bank deposits
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22:50.37Torchmintuser: it wasn't there right from the start; i remember kmail storing its passwords in its config file.
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22:50.58Torchmintuser: if you set a password and not leave it empty it's secure enough
22:51.11Torchmintuser: i'm just too lazy to do that
22:51.14mintuserI don't want my passwords on my computer I should be prompted for them if i so choose.
22:51.25Torchmintuser: then turn off kwallet
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22:51.56mintuserI did and none of my programs work.  did you see the error messages I have been getting?
22:52.15Torchmintuser: no, but from what i gathered your troubles are with network manager.
22:52.24mintuserthat is one of them
22:52.28Torchmintuser: and i must say i feel about network manager like you seem to feel about kwallet ;-)
22:52.37mintuseranything that requires a password has similar problems
22:52.46mintuserunless it is a script I wrote myself
22:53.30mintuserTorch: in what sense
22:53.32dcambie_mintuser: from CLI type kcmshell4 kwalletconfi and deflag first box
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22:53.50mintuserI did tht
22:53.52dcambie_mintuser: sorry, I missed a letter: "kcmshell4 kwalletconfig"
22:53.54mintuserthta
22:54.08Torchmintuser: like i said, it's been working for me for years, using kopete, kmail, but no network manager (which i don't use at all on any of my machines)
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22:54.34mintuserI need to access vpn servers
22:54.45Torchmintuser: /etc/openvpn exists ;-)
22:55.00mintuserI am using openvpn
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22:55.11Torchmintuser: so what do you need network manager for?
22:55.29mintuserTorch do you know how to make a vpn connection totally bypassing network manager
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22:55.38Torchmintuser: yes
22:55.52mintuserok, how?
22:56.11mintuserI mean when network manager is running, by the way.
22:56.29Torchmintuser: set up a config file in /etc/openvpn and start the rc script
22:56.37Torchmintuser: got to be root, obviously
22:56.49mintuserwhat should be in the config file?
22:57.03Torchmintuser: the openvpn website has all the docs you need
22:57.12Torchmintuser: it's a LOT simpler than it first looks
22:57.18mintuserand what would be the needed cli command once you have the config file?
22:57.25mintuserok
22:57.27mintuserthanks
22:57.37mintuserand it will work even if network manager is running?
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22:57.45Torchmintuser: no idea, probably yes.
22:57.54mintuserI love doing things with config files and hat using guis
22:58.08mintuserthanks
22:58.27Torchmintuser: you're aware that you can avoid network manager totally as long as you don't regularly need to switch wlans?
22:58.42mintuserI do regularly need to switch wlans
23:00.03mintuserI have 4-5 routers I am constantly switching between and this is a laptop so ...
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23:11.42BadMagicNot sure if this is the right room to ask the question, so I'll try and see what happens
23:12.30BadMagicrunning a script that starts 120 'screen' sessions that each run a Qt program that puts data in a mysql database and then does a report on the data.
23:12.52BadMagicIn looking through the output, there are several runs missing data
23:13.31BadMagicchecking those runs the log shows errors about
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23:14.56BadMagicGtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
23:15.09BadMagicAny ideas?
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23:43.26cjaewhy is dolphin so much slower at file transfers across lan than nautilus? not an attempt to be rude or be ungrateful
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23:54.37Torchcjae_: you mean samba?
23:55.04cjae_yes it is from a samba server shares
23:55.21Torchcjae_: dolphin uses kio_smb for samba shares which _copies_ the whole file before it can be processed.
23:55.37Torchcjae_: this hurts terribly with large stuff (movies, e.g.)
23:56.00cjae_ok
23:56.12Torchcjae_: afaik there's nothing you could do about it
23:56.20Torchcjae_: except not use samba shares
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23:56.24cjae_do you happen to know what nautilus uses?
23:56.31cjae_ok
23:56.33Torchcjae_: no
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23:58.06cjae_what could I do to limit the speed on a mounted nfs share since even though both new machines, using nfs causes cpu topping out syndrome and file stops transfering
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