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| 00:00.38 | danharibo | KDE4 is the best desktop environment. |
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| 00:17.33 | zoie | i'm not sure this is a kde issue, but i'm not able to record my output sound with audacity; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1440833 i've followed this step by step guide but it's still flat http://i.imgur.com/NYvGw.png |
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| 00:28.40 | kstar | Why doesn't dolphin support ftps:// on my system? |
| 00:29.12 | kstar | It says "invalid protocol" |
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| 00:34.21 | DaZ | maybe because it's sftp :v |
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| 01:14.22 | wabash | I have Nepomuk disabled as a startup service. But the other day I come back to my desk and see it running!!! How do I disable it for sure? |
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| 01:40.54 | user94202 | Question about KDE menu: How do I list the games in alphabetical order? ( I have 100+ games i want to organize alphabetically). |
| 01:42.21 | user94202 | Preferably an automated method to organize them alphabetically. |
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| 01:44.39 | user94202 | That would be a nice option: "organize alphabetically". So i don't have to manually drag and drop each item |
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| 01:45.24 | user94202 | Question 2: How do I make "Applications" the first TAB in the menu (NOT favourites). |
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| 02:16.15 | quesada | any way to do a drag lock? Using a trackball to scroll |
| 02:16.40 | quesada | I'd like to program a button to lock the ball in scroll mode |
| 02:17.04 | quesada | Also, having a button for doubleclick with a graphic tablet would be great |
| 02:17.22 | quesada | Nothing I could find in settings > pointing devices |
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| 02:51.29 | wabash | I have Nepomuk disabled as a startup service. But the other day I come back to my desk and see it running!!! How do I disable it for sure? |
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| 03:04.58 | DaZ | wabash: disable everything in desktop search. |
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| 04:10.55 | dr0p | hi, i'm using dual screen with kde and i've got a question. Is it possible to switch between different virtual desktops (i.e. 1-4) on one screen and have one virtual desktop (5) on the second screen - like in xmonad or i3 ? |
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| 04:54.13 | nolanmac | is there a keyboard shortcut to open a new dolphin window? |
| 04:55.15 | heoyea | create 1 |
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| 05:22.32 | wabash | DaZ: Thank you! |
| 05:22.36 | wabash | DaZ: You still around? |
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| 05:23.21 | DaZ | probably |
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| 05:23.53 | DaZ | wabash: what's up. |
| 05:23.56 | wabash | DaZ: So, disabling everything on Desktop search... how do I do that? |
| 05:24.20 | heoyea | settings |
| 05:24.36 | wabash | heoyea: Settings is big. Any *useful* suggestions for me? |
| 05:24.47 | heoyea | says desktop search |
| 05:24.52 | heoyea | big icon |
| 05:24.53 | wabash | ok, thanks. |
| 05:25.36 | DaZ | kcmshell4 kcm_nepomuk |
| 05:25.38 | DaZ | :v |
| 05:25.40 | wabash | heoyea: DaZ: Thank you both very much. Now, where is the nepomuk data stored, so I can get rid of it? |
| 05:26.09 | heoyea | probally in .kde4 folder |
| 05:26.58 | heoyea | .kde4/share/apps/nepomuk |
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| 05:29.30 | wabash | heoyea: Awesome thank you. So, I only have .kde and not .kde4. Why is that? Is it the same? |
| 05:29.42 | DaZ | it is |
| 05:29.55 | DaZ | some distributions have .kde. |
| 05:30.31 | heoyea | same thing |
| 05:30.38 | wabash | DaZ: Ok, thanks. DaZ, you are on Debian, yes? |
| 05:30.42 | DaZ | nope |
| 05:30.43 | wabash | heoyea: Cool. |
| 05:30.49 | wabash | DaZ: What do you run, may I ask? |
| 05:30.53 | DaZ | arch |
| 05:31.43 | wabash | ah, ok |
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| 07:02.18 | user94202 | How do I enable random screensavers. All I get is black screen. |
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| 07:15.36 | DaZ | probably because you don't have any screensavers installed? :v |
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| 07:29.20 | user94202 | Daz: Yes i installed a bunch of screensavers. I selected "random" screensavers in the monitor settings. 15 minutes delay to activate. Just get black screen. |
| 07:29.51 | user94202 | I set a shorter delay (9 minutes). See if that works. |
| 07:30.17 | DaZ | user94202: does it work if you press that test button thingie in systemsettings? ;v |
| 07:30.35 | user94202 | yes it works with "test" but not with real-time delay of 15 minutes. |
| 07:31.38 | user94202 | Random works with a delay of 1 minute also. So i'm testing 9 minutes now. |
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| 07:32.00 | user94202 | <have to stop using PC for 9 mins :- ) |
| 07:33.07 | DaZ | user94202: that's probably because powersaving turns off your monitor. |
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| 07:41.39 | user94202 | Random screensavers work! 9 minute delay fixed the problem. |
| 07:46.46 | user94202 | DaZ.. Should i disable "button events handling" since i'm using a desktop pc? |
| 07:47.28 | DaZ | if you want to :v |
| 07:48.04 | user94202 | done. I also disabled "lock screen on resume" and "never prevent an action on lid close". |
| 07:48.38 | user94202 | I also enabled "acts like pc running on AC power". |
| 07:48.56 | Wizard | Good morning everybody. |
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| 07:49.54 | user94202 | k.. I'll wait 15 mins for screensavers again. |
| 07:50.06 | DaZ | have fun |
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| 08:42.58 | sayres | anybody know about xbar???? |
| 08:43.02 | sayres | :-X |
| 08:44.12 | user94202 | sayres: is that near Zanzibar? |
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| 08:45.21 | sayres | user94202:i installed bout it dosnt exist in widgets ???? |
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| 08:49.27 | sayres | user94202: can i install Zanzibar in linux? |
| 08:49.49 | user94202 | sayres, you can install linux in zanzibar ;- ) |
| 08:50.16 | user94202 | just a moment, i'm looking int the xbar problem... |
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| 08:58.40 | sayres | user94202:whats zanzibar ? i am googling but i cant find anything. |
| 08:59.03 | user94202 | i can't find xbar on my system either. Where did you download it? via package management? |
| 09:00.20 | sayres | user94202:i downloaded of svn co https://cloudcity.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cloudcity and compile it |
| 09:01.16 | sayres | user94202:I sure install was complete without any error |
| 09:01.24 | user94202 | ah.. I'm guessing it's hidden somewhere in "panel options" >> "add widgets" |
| 09:01.56 | user94202 | try the search box: xbar |
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| 09:02.07 | sayres | user94202: i see them one by one ..i dont see |
| 09:02.27 | user94202 | search box reveal it? |
| 09:03.02 | sayres | user94202: i try by search in widgets search box |
| 09:04.51 | sayres | user94202: instead xbar i can use zanzibar ? |
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| 09:07.58 | user94202 | no, I was only joking about Zanzibar..it's a place in Tanzania. |
| 09:09.13 | user94202 | sayres, sure you compiled xbar properly with the correct install paths? |
| 09:10.09 | sayres | user94202: paths?? |
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| 09:11.38 | danharibo | How do I kill plasma? |
| 09:11.41 | sayres | user94202: when i compile that .I did not have any paths |
| 09:11.45 | danharibo | my panels have frozen |
| 09:14.07 | sayres | does any program like xbar ? |
| 09:14.20 | user94202 | sayres, I always read the install file or readme file included with the source code. The compile process is then followed by a "make install" |
| 09:14.52 | user94202 | unless you manually move the compiled widget into it's correct directory.. Not sure sorry. |
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| 09:17.20 | user94202 | sayres.. possibly: Panel settings >> add widget >> install widget from local file |
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| 09:19.08 | user94202 | Sayres: Panel options >> Add widgets >> Install Widget from local file. Then navigate to your widget. |
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| 09:21.11 | sayres | user94202: my file isnt tar.gz ?? |
| 09:22.13 | sayres | user94202: this is install file : http://codepad.org/i53F8zOM |
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| 09:23.52 | user94202 | sayres: As i suspected it says: "sudo make install". Did you do that? |
| 09:24.39 | user94202 | sudo make install <<should install it. |
| 09:24.50 | sayres | yes ..sure.do you wan install again |
| 09:27.37 | user94202 | just a moment i'm checking the instructions you posted... I'm thinking you didn't provide the correct install path during the configure process, but i'm not familiar with this package. |
| 09:28.09 | sayres | user94202: ok im waiting |
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| 09:33.09 | user94202 | sayres, how did you compile it? with cmake, qmake or via ./configure & make install ? |
| 09:34.10 | user94202 | i've compiled many many apps, but I'm not sure about xbar unless i try it myself sorry. |
| 09:35.33 | sayres | user94202: http://codepad.org/pBRKic4v |
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| 09:36.21 | sayres | user94202: i installed again by ./configure ... look http://codepad.org/pBRKic4v |
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| 09:42.29 | sayres | user94202: buddy its done .its add in widget section... |
| 09:42.33 | sayres | :-D |
| 09:42.46 | user94202 | cool.. How did you find it? |
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| 09:43.21 | user94202 | oh..in the add widget section. So it installed OK then. |
| 09:43.36 | sayres | but when i open dolphin dont apear the menu of the dolphin on it ??? |
| 09:45.41 | user94202 | not sure sorry. Does it have a config setting somewhere? |
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| 09:48.30 | sayres | user94202: http://upload.tehran98.com/img1/smt6fuday3rc6ety4bnb.png |
| 09:49.49 | sayres | user94202: it doesnt any setting |
| 09:53.26 | user94202 | Actually, it uses a configuration file for the menu entries: ~/.kde/share/apps/XBar/MainMenu.xml |
| 09:53.53 | user94202 | so you would need to add the dolphin executable, icon etc to your config file. |
| 09:54.23 | user94202 | Instructions: http://cloudcity.sourceforge.net/xbar.html |
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| 10:01.44 | sayres | user94202: this configure is for when xbar doesnt support anything like firefox ,appear this http://cloudcity.sourceforge.net/xbar.html config.... sorry my english is awful |
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| 10:03.29 | user94202 | Not sure what you're trying to do exactly, but if you're missing "dolphin" in your xbar menu, then you would need to add an entry for dolphin in the .xml file using a text editor. |
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| 10:05.19 | sayres | user94202: i try now |
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| 10:13.14 | sayres | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:15.39 | user94202 | sayres: ok. good luck |
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| 10:17.38 | sayres | user94202:ok im back |
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| 10:23.27 | sayres | user94202:this is my Menu.xml -> http://codepad.org/SoOM53ra |
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| 10:30.29 | user94202 | sayres: looks good. You could add an icon entry though. |
| 10:32.31 | Kalidarn | is there a way to enable something like ayatana-scrollbar in KDE? |
| 10:32.34 | Kalidarn | ie like what MacOSX has? |
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| 10:32.46 | DaZ | still no idea wtf that is :c |
| 10:32.47 | Kalidarn | Lion/Mountain Lion etc |
| 10:33.25 | DaZ | Kalidarn: this popup thingie or wat http://tipstreet.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/screenshot.png |
| 10:33.41 | sayres | user94202: tnx but i want ,when i open dolphin menu bar of the dolphin appear in xbar |
| 10:33.59 | Kalidarn | yeah that's what i'm talking about DaZ that's ubuntu's implementation of it |
| 10:34.18 | DaZ | i don't think there's a way to do that |
| 10:34.27 | DaZ | though i haven't really looked :v |
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| 11:54.46 | BluesKaj | Hey all |
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| 12:06.14 | yates | are there ways to optimize kde (4.8.4) so that it runs smoother on older hardware? |
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| 12:06.55 | yates | desktop effects are already disabled |
| 12:07.02 | yates | it's still a wee bit sluggish |
| 12:07.30 | yates | using the proprietary nvidia driver |
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| 12:14.09 | yates | is something wrong with the opendesktop.org site? |
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| 13:14.14 | Schrodinger`Cat | hey |
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| 13:15.07 | Schrodinger`Cat | i would like to know what is the best solution to "solve" the systray issue wich is described here : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293472 |
| 13:15.31 | Schrodinger`Cat | 'killall kded4 && sleep 2 && kded4 &0 ' ? |
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| 13:18.38 | Torch | Schrodinger`Cat: i can't really tell because i haven't ever seen this bug, but the workaround might work. looks like the bug tracker ate a ">" between the "&" and the "0" though, so you should probably re-add that |
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| 13:22.31 | Schrodinger`Cat | thanks Torch |
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| 13:23.36 | Schrodinger`Cat | Torch, and is it possible to know who is "in charge" to handle this bug ? (sorry if my english go wrong, im not very familiar with english) |
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| 13:24.02 | Torch | Schrodinger`Cat: whoever is assigned to it in the bug tracker, probably the plasma team in this case |
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| 13:31.32 | Schrodinger`Cat | thanks |
| 13:31.55 | Schrodinger`Cat | i saw this bug only on kubuntu :( |
| 13:32.54 | Schrodinger`Cat | the kde version in kubuntu is a "tweaked" version in comparison with opensuse or mint-kde ? |
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| 13:34.23 | Torch | Schrodinger`Cat: i don't think they modify kde more than the other distros do |
| 13:36.04 | Schrodinger`Cat | ok |
| 13:37.14 | Schrodinger`Cat | so if the problem dont happen with other distros, its relative to something relative to ubuntu... im curious to know what ^^ |
| 13:37.42 | Torch | Schrodinger`Cat: what's the claim it only appears on kubuntu based on? |
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| 13:40.17 | Schrodinger`Cat | my personal experiment, some friends computer where i installed opensuse or mint-kde, and i never read someone to have this problem with another distros, and in the bug tracker is write : "Platform Ubuntu Packages Linux " |
| 13:40.34 | Schrodinger`Cat | but... maybe im wrong |
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| 13:41.17 | Torch | Schrodinger`Cat: i don't have the bug and do indeed use kubuntu |
| 13:41.30 | Torch | Schrodinger`Cat: the platform in the entry's just from where it was _reported_ |
| 13:44.02 | Schrodinger`Cat | and plasma-desktop never crash on your computer ? |
| 13:44.19 | Torch | Schrodinger`Cat: no |
| 13:44.29 | Schrodinger`Cat | if yes, can you have the kindness to tell me what distros and kde version you have ? |
| 13:44.36 | Torch | Schrodinger`Cat: plasma crashing usually stems from unstable plasmoids you installed yourself ;-) |
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| 13:59.52 | Torch | Schrodinger`Cat: or maybe that the distro installs per default, so that might be a difference between distros too |
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| 14:17.03 | Schrodinger`Cat | ok :) |
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| 14:44.37 | jeroen- | Looking for a KDE distro. Currently running Ubuntu. I'm currently in doubt between Mint KDE and Kubuntu. Any advice? What's the difference between those two btw? I see Kubuntu is more a vanilla KDE install. It's that all? |
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| 14:46.39 | anand | Hi...I am running Mint 13...i feel the difference is also in terms of releases...Mint releases much stabler versions...i cud be wrong... |
| 14:47.40 | gryffus_away | jeroen-: i can recommend you openSUSE, since many KDE devs use it |
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| 14:49.09 | jeroen- | gryffus_away: I've escaped SUSE a long time ago, when they were bought by Novell |
| 14:49.50 | jeroen- | Yes I understand, there is OpenSuSE, but do they not stuill rely on Novell? |
| 14:49.58 | anand | Hi...I am still bit hazy on the concept of workspaces...activity...desktop..any good documentation links? |
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| 14:50.49 | anand | Can we have a panel tied to one desktop ? |
| 14:51.21 | verblendet | hi everyone. how can i execute a custom command in kde when screensaver starts? i want to call a shellscript/command that toggles dtd key on my ip phone. which is easily possible by calling wget with specific url. so when i lock my screen, i want also wget to be executed. is that possible? i know how to start screensaver via shell and then execute a command but im looking for the opposite way. |
| 14:51.44 | anand | for instance, in search and launch i dont want to have my top window panel...since that area of desktop is covered by icons that appear by default for search an dlaunch... |
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| 14:53.53 | verblendet | anand, it took me weeks... months to configure a suitable kde desktop , hehe, at forst i was very confused about these new fancy colourful blinking shiny new things (workspaces activities etc), but now i like it a lot. i dont know a tutorial, just take some time and play around. and: on every update it gets better |
| 14:54.47 | gryffus_away | jeroen-: Novell sold SUSE to Attachmate and opensuse is far mor independent on SLE than ever before... |
| 14:55.36 | anand | verblendet...okies :-) am learning and hope to gain expertise as i move along... |
| 14:55.53 | anand | do you any idea on my second question? |
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| 14:57.01 | anand | abt tying a panel to one of the desktop... |
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| 14:59.45 | anand | i am big fan of Comic strip widget in KDE... |
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| 15:00.50 | BluesKaj | has the package management in opensuse improved any ? That Yast thing was really unstable the last time I tried suse ...a few yrs ago |
| 15:01.03 | thiago | OpenSUSE uses zypper |
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| 15:03.20 | gryffus_away | BluesKaj: you can try it, imho it is far better than old days |
| 15:03.25 | BluesKaj | ok so yast is the managera pp, zypper is the package installer |
| 15:04.41 | BluesKaj | just curious ...doubt that I'll bother , ...just got off a arch-linux install which was totally boring for me |
| 15:05.03 | jeroen- | gryffus_away: still owned by an American investment group. No sorry, not for me. |
| 15:05.07 | BluesKaj | pretty ordinary |
| 15:05.22 | gryffus_away | jeroen-: openSUSE is not owned by _anyone_ |
| 15:05.41 | jeroen- | gryffus_away: still relies on SUSE. |
| 15:05.51 | gryffus_away | jeroen-: decision making process is _completely_ on community... |
| 15:07.12 | jeroen- | gryffus: well I still see a connection |
| 15:07.23 | BluesKaj | gryffus, are there any paid devs/supporters on opensuse? |
| 15:08.46 | gryffus | yes there is a connection, SUSE is based on openSUSE still, but SUSE has no way to control development of openSUSE...openSUSE is led by openSUSE board and is elected, as you cen see here: http://news.opensuse.org/2012/12/17/2013_new_board_members/ |
| 15:09.02 | gryffus | BluesKaj: do not know of any |
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| 15:11.43 | jeroen- | Well, I think I go with Kubuntu. Mainly because I have an #Ubuntu server |
| 15:12.20 | thiago | has OpenSUSE servers and Fedora laptops |
| 15:12.52 | jeroen- | thiago: off course, you can do that, but I find very handy to have the same repos |
| 15:12.59 | jeroen- | just to check things |
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| 15:17.32 | Peace- | i am trying to figure out how to set kwin to remove border when a window is maximized BUT WITH JAVASCARIPT |
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| 15:17.49 | Peace- | so i tried here http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/KWin/Scripting/API_4.9#Read-write_Properties_2 |
| 15:18.26 | Peace- | and i found here borderlessMaximizedWindows |
| 15:18.47 | Peace- | but i have not idea how should i use this |
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| 15:43.39 | nita | Is there no sane way of installing themes under KDE? All I can find are zipped or tar.gz - files with a bunch of directories and files in them, either requiring one to drop down to console to install them or just magically knowing where to extract them all to |
| 15:44.15 | Peace- | nita: ? i installed them from systemsettings |
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| 15:44.49 | nita | When I go to Settings -> Style there is no such an option. |
| 15:45.25 | Peace- | style? |
| 15:45.52 | Peace- | ah you mean the widget style ? |
| 15:45.57 | nita | Aye |
| 15:46.12 | Peace- | no man that is another kind of stuff for that you need even to compile it |
| 15:46.17 | Peace- | it's not a theme |
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| 15:47.28 | FLHerne | nita: There's normally some combination of theme and colours that looks nice :P |
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| 15:47.38 | nita | No, there isn't |
| 15:48.10 | Peace- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.26 | BluesKaj | nita, desktop theme or decor colours or ? |
| 15:49.11 | nita | Yeah, that's what I just asked: why is it so god damn convoluted to install widget themes from e.g. kde-look, with some of them coming in .zip - files, some in .tar.gz, some with console-based installers and so on |
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| 15:50.33 | Peace- | nita: the most of things are downloadable from internet . the only thing that you can not download from internet it's the widget style |
| 15:50.39 | Peace- | that is NOT A theme |
| 15:51.00 | Peace- | infact you need even to compile it |
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| 15:54.48 | neverendingo | nita: kcmshell4 desktoptheme -> "download new themes" |
| 15:55.31 | BluesKaj | the only thing that bothers meabout the kde "look" is the panel icon settings don't floow the settings I use |
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| 15:55.43 | BluesKaj | don't follow |
| 15:56.16 | nita | neverendingo: that's not what I want, it doesn't change how buttons and such look |
| 15:57.03 | nita | Ugh, nevermind. I hate Unity, but I can't stand how much of a convoluted mess KDE is. |
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| 16:04.54 | Peace- | nita: you are not used with kde that's the problem |
| 16:06.02 | Peace- | nita: btw there ia gtk style that should fit for ex-gnomeuser |
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| 16:22.50 | glongo | hi |
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| 16:25.02 | ovrflw0x | how to let NetworkManager use brcmsmac instead of wl driver wifi? |
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| 16:26.49 | glongo | i've a little problem with NetworkManager, when i try to get connection with wifi card i got this error: Failed to add new connection: Insufficient privileges. |
| 16:26.55 | glongo | any ideas? |
| 16:28.35 | BluesKaj | glongo, have you set permissions/password on the router WPA etc ? |
| 16:28.43 | glongo | BluesKaj: yes |
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| 16:30.48 | BluesKaj | glongo, does network manager show the wifi connection name /network ? |
| 16:31.00 | glongo | BluesKaj: i'm reading on a blog that my user need to be part of the netdev group, but this group doesn't exist |
| 16:31.04 | glongo | yes BluesKaj |
| 16:31.52 | ovrflw0x | BluesKaj, how to let NetworkManager use brcmsmac instead of wl driver wifi? |
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| 16:32.50 | BluesKaj | glongo, do you have password permission to edit or make changes to the router itself ? |
| 16:33.02 | glongo | yes |
| 16:34.05 | BluesKaj | then I have no other ideas ...and I have to do an errand ....bb later |
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| 17:07.56 | jessie | And yes, my mysql.conf file exists and is readable. Here is its contents: http://paste.kde.org/636662/ |
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| 18:28.01 | swarfega | im running kde 4.9.4 on ubuntu 12.10, when i run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 4.9.5 doesnt appear. What do I need to do? |
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| 18:30.25 | wgosling | swarfega: Wait to see if/when Ubuntu will update to 4.9.5 |
| 18:30.55 | swarfega | werent they released yesterday? |
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| 18:31.59 | wgosling | KDE released 4.9.5 yesterday. That doesn't mean Ubuntu has updated to it yet, or even will update to it. |
| 18:32.08 | swarfega | ah |
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| 18:32.25 | swarfega | maybe they wont bother with 4.10 just around the corner |
| 18:32.44 | wgosling | They likely will in 13.04. |
| 18:32.59 | swarfega | any date for that release yet? |
| 18:33.08 | wgosling | Sometime in April |
| 18:33.14 | swarfega | ok cool |
| 18:33.18 | swarfega | something to look forward to :D |
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| 18:34.06 | wgosling | Ubuntu will have whatever KDE is newest at release date, and may or may not ship the fixes updates KDE releases each month |
| 18:35.01 | swarfega | its simple enough to update your kde :D |
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| 18:58.27 | kohoutek | hi |
| 18:59.16 | kohoutek | does anyone here have experience with building KDE4.9 on MacOS X? |
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| 22:03.49 | alexander__b | what are some distros that actively focus on KDE as the main DE? except opensuse and kubuntu. |
| 22:05.46 | wgosling | Chakra, Sabayon (well it used to). |
| 22:05.59 | wgosling | but what is wrong with Kubuntu or opensuse? |
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| 22:06.03 | alexander__b | what's sabayon like in terms of the install process? |
| 22:06.27 | wgosling | No idea |
| 22:06.31 | alexander__b | wgosling: opensuse had loooots of trouble that I would prefer not to get into right now, because I don't care to repeat it. kubuntu is already "noted". |
| 22:06.46 | alexander__b | the last time I checked (uhm dapper drake maybe?) it was buggy though. |
| 22:07.55 | alexander__b | the thing is I'm looking for a distro for my gf. she wants KDE, and she needs to be able to reliably install newer versions of things like Blender and GIMP without things imploding. she would also need audio over HDMI to "just work". which is unbelivably enough a hassle still on some distros. |
| 22:08.37 | alexander__b | so in my experience, distros that focus on KDE as the main DE tend to be a lot more cohesive, consistent and less buggy than things like Linux Mint with KDE, to take an example. |
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| 22:10.10 | wgosling | alexander__b: My experience is the opposite: that KDE is KDE is KDE. It's the same everywhere. |
| 22:10.36 | wgosling | and only the base system differs without affecting KDE. |
| 22:10.47 | alexander__b | wgosling: kubuntu was a lot more buggy when I used it back when, than e.g. opensuse which had a very consistent look and feel to it. |
| 22:10.56 | wgosling | Except opensuse, which just crashes. |
| 22:11.38 | wgosling | You claim to last use Kubuntu before KDE4 was released.. it is actually one of the better KDE distros now... |
| 22:11.49 | alexander__b | wgosling: yes, it's on the test list. |
| 22:12.23 | ompaul | alexander__b: debian sid is one way there, but a bit of a nod to knowing what you are doing with debian seems to be needed |
| 22:13.13 | alexander__b | ompaul: debian sid + newest blender and gimp? |
| 22:13.23 | alexander__b | opensuse imploded nicely because you had to mix repos. |
| 22:13.25 | ompaul | well I wouldn't say newst of them |
| 22:13.30 | ompaul | lets find out |
| 22:13.34 | alexander__b | oh and blender was just bleugh. had to use a bin from their site. |
| 22:13.48 | alexander__b | gimp 2.8 at least. blender 2.6 at least. |
| 22:13.55 | ompaul | gimp Candidate: 2.8.2-2 |
| 22:14.09 | ompaul | blender Candidate: 2.63a-1 |
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| 22:14.26 | alexander__b | is debian sid comparable to gentoo arch? |
| 22:14.32 | alexander__b | in terms of packages available. |
| 22:14.41 | ompaul | there are about 30k packages |
| 22:14.48 | alexander__b | because I sort of like debian, and wouldn't mind helping her with debian. |
| 22:14.48 | ompaul | but if they are comparable no idea |
| 22:14.57 | alexander__b | I meant in terms of how new things are. |
| 22:15.13 | ompaul | alexander__b: there is aptosid which is a 3.7 kernel and the rest is debian sid |
| 22:15.45 | alexander__b | newest blender in gentoo stable is 2.49, and in gentoo arch 2.64a. stable gimp 2.6.12-r5, arch 2.8.2-r1, |
| 22:15.50 | ompaul | they have some funnies around networking but basically it's similar to sid |
| 22:15.54 | alexander__b | so probably comparable-ish from the sound of it. |
| 22:16.11 | ompaul | thing is over time you will always get diffs |
| 22:16.19 | ompaul | a little ahead a little behind |
| 22:17.17 | alexander__b | yes, but as long as she won't risk having to wait a month to use the newest stable blender it's OK. |
| 22:17.39 | ompaul | so if you want to absolute bleeding edge you get either slackware or freebsd (but does it have blender) I know it has had gimp since the nineties |
| 22:17.42 | alexander__b | also, do you run it? if so, is audio over hdmi "just works"(tm) like on all sane systems? |
| 22:17.57 | ompaul | alexander__b: why the rush for it |
| 22:18.20 | ompaul | not done hdmi for audio but reports are it's good |
| 22:18.33 | alexander__b | because it's a PITA on some systems, and on opensuse 12.4 or whatever it just flat out didn't work. in Gentoo I just connect the cable and select HDMI. |
| 22:18.44 | ompaul | if you are racing for the bleeding edge you will cut yourself |
| 22:19.14 | ompaul | what is the importance to have the newest blender ... |
| 22:19.25 | alexander__b | uhm works with blender? |
| 22:19.37 | alexander__b | if a major new version is released, she'll need it. |
| 22:19.43 | alexander__b | small revision updates are not of a big consequence. |
| 22:19.59 | alexander__b | so ATM she'd need 2.6-ish, and GIMP 2.8-ish. which sid apparently has. |
| 22:20.36 | ompaul | I think you should build a machine LFS style install it and keep it working with binary builds of your own compiler |
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| 22:21.00 | alexander__b | why? I mean, most distros have GIMP 2.8-ish and Blender 2.6-ish. |
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| 22:21.17 | alexander__b | the only ones I know that don't have those are opensuse without mixing repos, and uh debian stable. |
| 22:22.05 | ompaul | mixing repos a good way to find yourself in unsupported land - SID is debian unstable and other parts can and do go missing now and again |
| 22:22.31 | alexander__b | yes, that's why opensuse imploded. |
| 22:22.32 | ompaul | kde itself went though a few huge transitions as did perl |
| 22:22.50 | ompaul | as I said if you sit on the bleeding edge you will get cut - this is what it means |
| 22:22.54 | alexander__b | that's why I need her to have a distro that has support for the latest major versions of GIMP, BLender, etc. |
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| 22:23.07 | alexander__b | GIMP 2.8 and Blender 2.6 are hardly bleeding edge ATM. |
| 22:23.21 | alexander__b | not that she needs anything "bleeding edge" apart from those, AFAIK. |
| 22:23.28 | alexander__b | maybe a recent-ish PHP would be nice. |
| 22:23.56 | ompaul | well you can keep an eye on the versions on packages.debian.org |
| 22:24.09 | ompaul | returns to less sane practices |
| 22:24.10 | ompaul | cheers |
| 22:24.18 | alexander__b | cheers mate, and thanks for the info. |
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| 23:58.37 | bjrohan | I am using kubuntu, and have created a new activity (called A/V). If I go into my system settings, and go to the global shortcuts, I can add a shortcut to the default "desktop" activity, I however don't see my new A/V activity listed to I can create a shortcut key. Any suggestions? |
