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00:23.37cocoleokernel A kernel problem occurred, but your kernel has been tainted flags:G C  why
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00:31.27Darkclaw66hey guys sorry to both you again about using a GUI for ffmpeg. I haven't had much success getting any of them to work :(
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00:56.08Yankees52how do i make kate not make backup files or at least delete them when i close kate?
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01:34.29Egyptian[Laptop]hello
01:35.00Egyptian[Laptop]i have fedora 17 and kde 4.8.3 ..how do i get rid of the new animations and effects that they made default?
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01:45.32Darkclaw66im trying to get the screensaver lock to work but no luck
01:45.48Darkclaw66it doesn't automatically lock
01:46.33Darkclaw66oh interesting the screensaver daemon wasnt on
01:47.04Darkclaw66fixed now
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02:09.00rdieterEgyptian[Laptop]: oxygen-settings and systemsettings->desktop effects are probably what you're after (though these animations aren't exactly new)
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02:23.29Darkclaw66hey guys, do you know if http://code.google.com/p/sinthgunt/ this will work with KDE?
02:23.36Darkclaw66it's telling me I need to install gnome crap
02:23.50Darkclaw66particularly pygtk
02:24.36Darkclaw66just want to know before I dirty up my system with gnome crap
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04:35.20pacneilI have an issue and I haven't been able to find an answer through google
04:35.39pacneilI don't run KDE window manager, I run windomaker
04:35.53pacneilhowever, sometime I may want to run a kde app
04:36.15pacneilhowever, none of the menus in any of the kde applications I have tried work
04:36.31pacneilI believe I have installed all the kde libs
04:37.12pacneilI'm running debian stable, just installed this morning
04:37.41pacneilI would really like to run amarok, but it's not cooperating
04:37.44pacneilany ideas?
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04:41.24o_apacneil: What do you mean with "they didn't work"?
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04:41.29o_aThe menus don't appear?
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04:41.59pacneilthe menus titles appear, but there are not drop downs
04:42.16pacneiland if I enable debug in amarok, clicking on the menu heading does nothing
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04:46.58o_aWeird
04:47.20o_aI've tested openbox and icewm and I've never got those issues
04:47.47pacneilhas to be a missing library, I think
04:48.00o_aHave you tried a different wm?
04:48.15pacneilwhy would I want to do that?
04:48.26pacneilI don't want to use a different windowmanager
04:48.45o_aTry it to see if the problem is in the wm
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04:49.30o_aBtw, distro and how you installed amarok
04:49.49pacneilDebian Squeeze installed from aptitude
04:50.57o_aThat should work out of the box
04:51.10pacneilright. But it doesn't
04:51.17o_aI'm almost sure there's no library missing
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04:51.51pacneilAnd I checked on #amarok and they suggested I try some other apps, which I did
04:52.15pacneilno menus work in konsole or konquerer
04:52.32pacneilso it's a KKKKDe problem of some sort
04:53.40o_aTry to kill the wm, so you only get the application frames, and then try to click a menu
04:54.19pacneilo_a, I'm not understanding what you mean "kill the wm"
04:56.33o_aDo you have another wm installed (openbox, fluxbox, eggwm)?
04:56.47o_aIf you do, switch to it to make a test
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04:57.13pacneilThe only other wm I think I have installed is afterstep
04:57.21o_a(I can't install icewm to check this for you)
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04:59.31o_aSwitch to it. I never used it, but I think you can replace the current wm for it by running afterstep --replace, or whatever the executable is called
05:00.22pacneilI start x from command line, don't use xdm. I just have to change my .Xsession file
05:00.26pacneilbrb
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05:03.30pacneilwell, it appears to be some interaction with windowmaker
05:03.42o_aI thought so
05:03.47pacneilall the menus work in Aftersto[p
05:03.59pacneilso what's the solution?
05:04.03o_aWait, weren't you using icewm?
05:04.11pacneilno
05:04.16o_aOh
05:04.27o_aIs windowmaker still mantained?
05:05.10o_aIt seems it is
05:05.13o_aFile a bug
05:05.16pacneilof course
05:05.43pacneilold timer like me run it, because it's light weight and doesn't "look like windows"
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05:06.59o_apacneil: http://windowmaker.org/lists.php
05:07.28pacneilthanks for that
05:07.39o_aJoin the appropriate list and, then, report the bug, I think (I couldn't find their bugzilla).
05:07.49pacneilI'll figure it out
05:08.00o_aIn the meanwhile, isn't afterstep similar to windowmaker?
05:08.10pacneilirc is the fastest way to get answers
05:08.17pacneilyeah, it's similar
05:08.37pacneilexcept is still has that damn task bar
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08:15.30danboidI'm trying to do so for creating a custom distro
08:17.39annmadanboid: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting shoudl be relevant
08:18.59annmaand http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting#Add_a_widget_to_systemtray
08:23.36annmadanboid: is it useful?
08:24.00danboidannma, Thanks - where might $APPDATA be?
08:24.15pinotreeuse kde4-config to know
08:25.18danboidpinotree, You mean system settings?
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08:25.33pinotreeno, i mean the console executable called that way
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08:31.08danboidpinotree, OK, it seems on my sys the plasma-desktop config is under /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init but when a normal uses adds a system tray icon, for example, where and how does KDE save their changes? It won't be there
08:31.36danboidnormal user
08:32.00jtheuerdoes konqueror support client certificates?
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09:19.03sxeHi, is there a way to change the kde style for just one application?
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09:25.43evil-touchhello, is it or will it possible to use mariadb instead mysql?
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09:26.08annmafor what app?
09:26.26evil-touchakonadi+
09:27.00annmaI don't think there's a backend yet for it
09:27.06annmamaybe ask in #akonadi
09:27.26evil-touchokay
09:27.28evil-touchthx
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09:27.29annmais it a free db?
09:27.36evil-touchyes
09:28.05evil-touchits a free fork of mysql
09:28.14annmath ewebpage is horrible
09:28.31annmais it shipped by distros?
09:30.06evil-touchin my case yes, (archlinux)
09:32.35annmadid you try akonadi with it?
09:32.47annmait seems to replace mysql server in my distro
09:32.58annmameaning the 2 can't be together
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09:36.43evil-touchi know, i will try that, but i guess i am not the first here, so i ask....
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09:42.49fastaBecause it seems to have crashed in that gestures don't work anymore.
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10:57.27BluesKajHey all
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13:36.29quuphi, where do I put .desktop files so kde finds them and I get an icon when the app shows up in the alt+f2 thing?
13:36.50quuppreferably some place in my $HOME
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13:38.15juanmabcthere is a kde menu editor, right clicking on the big k
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13:43.48quupjuanmabc: thanks
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13:49.03Mileshttp://aidan.rebelmedia.co.uk/Screenshot from 2012-06-12 14:42:26.png how can i fix this in konqueror?
13:49.36Mileshttp://aidan.rebelmedia.co.uk/Screenshot from 2012-06-12 14:42:26.png how can i fix this in konqueror?
13:49.39Milesoops
13:49.49Milesnot only the symbols but see the selection rectangle is a bit off, it actually doesn't re-paint properly
13:50.18Milesscrolling leaves the bits outside the selection still on the canvas
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14:17.51treehuggerthere is an annoying bug in gwenview: it crashess as soon as I click on file, or trys to watch a pictures properties...
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14:20.36Inkanetreehugger: Which version of KDE?
14:20.47treehugger4.8.4
14:20.58Inkaneyes, this is a know regresion
14:20.59treehuggerin fact it crashes almost on every operation
14:21.09treehuggerah ok
14:21.20Inkanethere's also a workaround available:
14:21.28treehuggerplease share it
14:21.29Inkanedisabling nepomuk fixes it
14:21.40treehuggerthanks
14:21.41Inkanethough that has it own drawbacks
14:21.57Inkaneas it reduces the functinality of some applications
14:22.12treehuggerwhich ones?
14:22.12Inkanebut if your distribution is using 4.8.4 it
14:22.24Inkanemight be a good temporary fix
14:22.31Inkaneyou mean which applications?
14:22.45Inkanee.g. kmail
14:22.49treehuggeryes, a fix will only be available witrh 4.8.5?
14:22.54treehuggerah, I do not use kmail
14:23.23Inkanetreehugger: that really depends on your distribution
14:23.46Inkaneand it's unclear if there will be a 4.8.5, a 4.8.4.1 or something different
14:23.48treehuggerwell I use archlinux, I could build kde with abs
14:24.13Inkaneah, well check your forums
14:24.21Inkanethere should be a thread about it
14:24.29treehuggerok, thanks again
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14:24.38Inkaneusing an unstable version of soprono "fixes " it too
14:24.52Inkanein Chakra we don't use it, because it breaks pykde3
14:24.55Inkane*pykde4
14:25.19Inkanemaybe you should talk with bask (I think that's his name) about it
14:25.29treehuggerhttps://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=142935 is the one
14:25.32Inkane*bash not bask
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14:48.30treehuggerfixed it by installing soprano 2.7.57
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14:57.59BlaskEverytime re-enter the KDE desktop environment,the panels are always downward offset a distance of about one or two lines,and add a new panel above then remove, it restore to normal, change the desktop layout can also be restored to their original , who know how to solve ??It may be something is wrong within the config file,because I login as root and the problem hadn't encour,but I don't know how to solve it.   I am so sorry that my english is not very good
14:59.36BlaskIt was like this http://blaskyy.vicp.net/1.png
14:59.56Blaskand it should be http://blaskyy.vicp.net/2.png
15:00.45Blaskplease email me blaskyy@gmail.com
15:00.47Blaskthx
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15:13.48WzTianBlask: Have you tried deleting ~/.kde4 ?
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15:16.29WzTianBlask: And since you are more comfortable with Chinese, maybe you should re-post your question in #kde-cn
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15:54.10mr_edgecasekde 3.5.4: I need the kiosktool, but the  ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/apps/KDE3.x/ directory is missing!
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15:57.07danboidI want to make a plasma desktop start in folder view mode but I can't see the function for scripting this in the docs - can you?
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16:01.51pinotreemr_edgecase: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/Attic/apps/KDE3.x/admin
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16:02.45danboidAre there any example plasma desktop config files anywhere?
16:03.36danboidThere is this page https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeexamples/repository/revisions/master/show/plasma/javascript/plasma-shell-scripting
16:03.56danboidbut I can't see an appropraite example
16:04.28danboidI just want folder view mode by default please!
16:05.09danboidhow do I set folder view mode in the plasma desktop config scripts?
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16:06.48mr_edgecasepinotree: thanks
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16:11.59Dynetrekkdoes anyone know where I can find a (good) solarized theme for konsole?
16:13.16InkaneDynetrekk: here http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/?content=150093
16:13.23Inkaneor are you looking for something else?
16:14.04Dynetrekkwell I did find two solarized themes but the colors are stupid. man pages are unreadable, for instance
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16:17.54DynetrekkInkane: I'll give that one a go :)
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16:20.20DynetrekkInkane: the installation script doesn't seem to do what it should :(
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16:21.15InkaneI'm not using the scheme anymore, so  I don't know
16:21.23Inkanebut have you read the README?
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16:22.14Inkaneand have you restarted konsole?
16:22.33InkaneDynetrekk: also, is your KDE conf dir .kde or .kde4?
16:22.35QantouriscWhy does korganizer try to connect to "akonadia" (and where can I disable it)
16:23.08DynetrekkInkane: sure, I restarted it. I managed to install it manually though. it seems to work better. I found two variants before, one which rendered man pages unreadable, and the other made vim's background _orange_.
16:23.13DynetrekkInkane: this one looks reasonable
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16:23.33InkaneDynetrekk: glad if it helps
16:23.42Dynetrekkwell then you're glad :)
16:23.52QantouriscWait it's KDE init stuff that's doing this crap :/
16:24.41InkaneQantourisc: akonadi is probably used to store the data
16:25.01Inkaneand do you still have problems with nepomuk/akonad?
16:25.34QantouriscInkane: never used it, all i care about is running korganizer and using ical file
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16:25.53muepQantourisc: korganizer likely uses and cares
16:26.08muepyou usually need to have dependencies of programs you use
16:26.19Qantouriscthen i need to find myself a new ical program (and korganizer was so good)
16:26.32InkaneQantourisc: What's your problem with akonadi?
16:26.41QantouriscI don't use it / need it.
16:26.53muepyou do if you use a program that relies on it
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16:27.16muepsame as with all other things on which applications are built
16:27.41muepis there a real problem in akonadi for you?
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16:28.42Qantouriscmuep: specifically, no, i never used id
16:29.09Qantouriscunless ofcours it just broke right now
16:29.10muepyou could just not care, just like you likely did not care about how korganizer used to store its data
16:29.28Qantouriscand it was using it always anyway
16:33.01Qantouriscmuep: in case it's the "kde-storage service" i'm fine with, but the error message seems to indicate it's some sort of pim-service ?
16:33.35Qantouriscok it is
16:33.47Qantouriscexamens if he think it's a good thing or an evil thing.
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16:36.52Qantouriscconsiders it 'evil' if it's to store pim data, but ok if it stores settings
16:38.05muepmy impression is that akonadi caches and tracks stuff, but does not really store things inside it
16:39.19Inkanejust to clarify
16:39.28Inkaneakonadi stores metadata and PIM data
16:39.57InkaneI don't know why this should considered evil, though
16:39.58Qantouriscwhat is "pim" data anyway ?
16:40.10Inkanee.g. contacts
16:40.20annmaPersonal Information Management
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16:40.35Inkaneconsisting of name, email adress, maybe telephone number
16:40.53Inkaneof course only the things which you actually enter into it
16:41.06Inkaneit won't magically look up a phone number
16:42.23QantouriscI hate storing data away in means witch cannot be extracted easily to standard methods
16:42.34Qantouriscproblem is, there are barely any standards for pim amt
16:44.02Inkaneby standard methods you mean grep, less and co?
16:44.06Inkaneor sql queries?
16:44.20Qantouriscvcard, ical, ...
16:45.22Qantouriscmaybe the wiki is not clear enough ? don't know
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16:46.41InkaneI'm pretty sure that korganizer supports ical
16:46.55Qantourisci know, that's why i use it :)
16:47.46Qantouriscdoes it need to be started as service (as in init.d/rc) ?
16:49.22Inkaneno, id doesn't
16:49.28Inkaneit should be started with KDE
16:49.49Inkanebtw, which distro are you using?
16:49.51InkaneArch?
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17:03.06Qantourisciserantes: ...started with KDE ?
17:03.09Qantourisceuu ik
17:03.21Qantouriscow inkane left
17:03.28Qantouriscin any case: i don't use kde !
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17:17.03mr_edgecaseKDE 3.5.4 are there no docs for KDE 3 online? ASAIK, ksmserver runs things I don't want
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17:29.07shevyQantourisc Inkane is here :P
17:29.41shevykdepimp is awesome
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17:30.05QantouriscInkane: i don't use "kde"
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17:31.10QantouriscBut I did find out the package manager allowed a weird mix of packages, due to bugs in the constrains,trying to fix atm
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17:37.06InkaneQantourisc: Then  I hope you can fix it
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17:43.55QantouriscInkane: the package manager tells me to not have akonondia(server) installed, but to install kdepim-common-libs (i smell broken packages)
17:44.38Inkanein that case you better ask the maintainer of your distro
17:44.45Qantouriscyea
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17:45.19Inkanethough I think that akonadi maybe really resides in the  kdepim libray
17:45.49Qantouriscno clue, but time for me to go
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17:46.06Qantourisc(if i remember correctly, i lost my calander :))
17:46.46shevywe have advanced much since pen and paper calendars :D
17:46.55Qantourisc:)
17:46.59Qantouriscaway
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18:41.30bo_hi, does anyone know if the way in which the screen brightness/backlight is managed in kde4.9 is changed?
18:42.54annmait's not
18:43.02annmawhat problem do you have?
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18:47.56bo_the OSD change level but the brightness remain the same
18:48.47annmathe OSD where?
18:49.06bo_the one with the brightess level
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18:52.10annmathe applet tooltip?
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19:08.46bo_the applet tooltip and the one that appears in the middle of the screen (like the volume one, i don't know how to call it)
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19:11.05BlaskI rm the .kde* and the problem is solved,but It really borther me a lot to reconfig the kde
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19:13.08cb400fthen don't rm .kde.. use mv... and/or only remove the config files that are actually broken...
19:13.24BlaskThanks a lot to everybody,and goodnight
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19:19.11graftokay, here's a strange bug... i have two items in my taskbar that are on top of each other
19:19.20graftlike, literally occupying the same space
19:19.30graftshouldn't there be some kind of pauli exclusion principle for taskbar items?
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19:26.47saedelaerehi
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19:27.52saedelaerei use the quick starter for a taskbar. is it possible to group several starters? clicking on this group should open a small dialog with all starters in this group
19:29.36mdemeyergraft: that is a known bug. If you want to vote for it you need an account on bugs.kde.org and search for it
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19:33.56grafthmm, any way to see bugs by votes?
19:33.59graftthis one has 417
19:34.50grafti guess only within a component
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19:36.11mdemeyerYou can use the advanced search to find bugs with a votes above a certain number
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19:39.32grafthow come this single sign-on bug is marked 'new' when it was filed in 2004?
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19:40.01mdemeyerNEW means it is a confirmed bug
19:40.17mdemeyereg multiple people have it
19:40.32annmaand a developer confirmed it
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19:40.49mdemeyerit is not so much new in time as it is 'a bug that we know about'
19:40.58annmagraft: if you have it, make sure to set the Version field to your current version
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19:42.51annmaexcept if a higher version number is already there
19:43.33grafti'm not sure i see the value in updating an 8-year-old bug with 3776 votes on it
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19:45.50annmaas you want
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20:10.39manasij7479Hey, everyone.. anyone know of a plugin for kmail(2) that hides google ads in the emails?
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21:59.17gutworthdoes kde support a desktop per screen?
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22:00.27immotus_gutworth:  do you mean a competely seperate X11 environment for each screen?  Or a KDE session spanning multiple monitors?
22:00.45gutworthvirtual desktop per screen
22:00.49gutworthso the latter
22:01.54immotus_gutworth: so, for example, when you press ctrl-f2 you switch to the second virtual desktop on the monitor where the mouse is and the monitor the mouse wasn't on is still on ctrl-f1?
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22:02.39gutworthI suppose
22:02.47gutworthI wouldn't antipicate switchting much, though
22:02.53gutworth*anticipate
22:02.54immotus_gutworth: or do you mean being able to put a program on one monitor, and another program on the right monitor... switching to Desktop 2 (ctrl-f2) would then  move both monitors to the second desktop?
22:03.17gutworthno, monitor a) would be desktop 1 and monitor b) would be desktop 2
22:03.39immotus_gutworth: not "Activities" but "Desktops"?
22:04.49gutworthhmm, I didn't know about activites
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22:05.05immotus_!activites
22:05.07gutworththis may be what I want
22:05.10immotus_!activities
22:05.17immotus_hmm.. no bot recognition :^)
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22:07.53immotus_gutworth: I don't think that KDE will do what you're asking.  You can make a window show up on one or more Desktops.. or even one or more Activities.. but swtiching one monitor to a Desktop or Activity while the other monitor stays on the same Desktop/Activity it was on before hasn't been a very common use-case.  So I'd be surprised if that is an option
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22:08.53gutworthhmm, I see
22:09.05gutworthwhat do people usually do when they have a laptop and a monitor?
22:10.20immotus_gutworth: you could fake it by setting up two instances of KDE running on two different X11 servers (one per monitor, but running from the same computer) and then running a program called Synergy on both of them so that you can move the keyboard/mouse from one to the other.. but that's probably more work than you want to do :^)
22:10.40immotus_I'm currently using a laptop + monitor in KDE4...
22:10.54gutworthdo you use synergy?
22:11.00immotus_I have programs showing on both my laptop and my monitor..
22:11.25gutworthah, "Unify outputs?"
22:11.34immotus_gutworth: I don't need to use Synergy since my monitor is setup as (essentially) an extension of the laptop's monitor.. which is the most common use-case
22:11.56gutworthwhat I'd like to do is say have irc on the laptop and real work on the monitor
22:12.40immotus_gutworth: sure.. that's relatively easy.  I'm doing that right now.  sorry about the confusion before, but "Desktop" means so many different things these days :^)
22:13.16immotus_are you on KDE4 right now?
22:13.43gutworthyep
22:14.36immotus_Start -> Configure Desktop -> Display and Monitor -> Size & Orientation
22:14.58immotus_gutworth: does "Size & Orientation" detect your monitor?
22:15.47gutworthyep
22:16.29immotus_gutworth: click "Identify Outputs" to see which label it automatically detected from the monitors...
22:17.18immotus_gutworth: gutworthset the size and position of the monitor and click Apply
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22:17.35gutworthI see
22:17.35immotus_you probably do not need the "Unify outputs" unless you want the monitor to display what you see on the laptop
22:17.46gutworthso basically you're streching one giant desktop across
22:19.35immotus_gutworth: yeah.. does that accomplish what you wanted?
22:20.19gutworthI suppose that's okay
22:20.35gutworthnormally I want maximized things to only take up one screen
22:20.47immotus_gutworth:  when you switch desktops (ie. ctrl-f2) both displays will be on the second desktop.. and so any programs you had displaying on the first desktop will dissappear unless you have right-clicked the window and told the window to show up on multiple desktops or activities
22:21.24immotus_gutworth: the maximize should detect the bounds of the display it is on and only maximize to that size
22:21.41immotus_gutworth: ... it does for me
22:22.01gutworthhmm...
22:22.36immotus_gutworth: nifty trick - another way to maximize is to drag the window to the top of the screen..
22:22.51gutworthI know, but it's still taking up everything...
22:23.06immotus_gutworth: what program are you trying to maximize?
22:23.14gutworthfirefox
22:23.28immotus_which version of KDE are you running?
22:24.03gutworth4.8
22:24.19immotus_gutworth: That is the version I'm running.. which distro?
22:24.29immotus_gutworth: I'm on OpenSuSE
22:24.34gutworthgentoo
22:24.39gutworthdo you think there's a pref somewhere?
22:25.31immotus_Remember the "Display and Monitor" configuration section there should be a "Multiple Monitors" section.. there are options for what to do when maximizing there
22:26.09immotus_I have "Enable multiple monitor maximize support" and "Enable monitor window fullscreen support" checked
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22:30.34gutworthwonders why he does't have this configuration module
22:32.51immotus_gutworth: interesting.. apparently I'm actually on KDE 4.7.2.  Must be my other computer that is on 4.8
22:33.40immotus_gutworth: they might have put that setting under "Desktop Settings -> Window Behaviour"..
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22:44.11gutworthah, perhaps I need to compile with xinerama
22:44.42immotus_gutworth: that might do it :^)
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