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| 00:38.02 | Abn0rmal | Does Plasma support scaling the desktop to compensate for non-square pixels? |
| 00:39.38 | thiago | no, that's not plasma's job |
| 00:39.46 | thiago | it would be kwin but I don't think it does that either |
| 00:39.58 | Abn0rmal | I wasn't sure which component would do that |
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| 00:41.35 | Abn0rmal | How well does X actually support non-square pixels anyway? I've noticed that xdpyinfo will report horizontal and vertical DPI values independently but xrandr only takes a single number for the --dpi parameter |
| 00:41.52 | thiago | yes, non-square pixels are supported |
| 00:43.17 | Abn0rmal | The display I am using right now is 54x72 dots per inch |
| 00:43.28 | thiago | ok |
| 00:43.39 | Abn0rmal | Fonts appear to be drawn correctly but widgets are not |
| 00:43.52 | Sho_ | what about dodecahedric pixels |
| 00:43.55 | thiago | do the widgets not fit the text inside them? |
| 00:44.25 | Abn0rmal | If I draw a perfect square in KolourPaint and then measure it on the screen with a ruler it isn't displayed as square |
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| 00:44.42 | thiago | you drew a perfect square in pixels |
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| 00:44.57 | thiago | your monitor doesn't have square pixels |
| 00:45.25 | Abn0rmal | The "K" icon in the lower-left corner should be a square but it displays wider than it is tall |
| 00:46.13 | Abn0rmal | It's actually a TV. It has a physical 16:9 ratio and supports several different non-standard resolutions on a DVI input |
| 00:46.16 | Sho_ | because it isn't rasterized to physical units |
| 00:47.03 | Sho_ | icon and theme rendering is dpi-independent |
| 00:47.05 | thiago | it's an image, so its size is measured in pixels |
| 00:47.12 | thiago | it's shown exactly as intended |
| 00:47.22 | Abn0rmal | I thought everything was SVG now |
| 00:47.23 | thiago | unfortunately, with non-square pixels, it won't show as a square |
| 00:47.32 | thiago | SVG is too slow |
| 00:47.46 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: prerendered into png |
| 00:47.58 | Abn0rmal | oh |
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| 00:48.49 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: the plasma theme elements are renderered and cached locally, but dpi-independent as well |
| 00:49.17 | Abn0rmal | Is there any to re-render them for this aspect ratio manually? |
| 00:49.24 | thiago | not easily |
| 00:50.12 | thiago | can't you choose a mode in your TV that makes *it* scale? |
| 00:50.27 | Abn0rmal | Kind of |
| 00:51.04 | thiago | for example, I have a 16:10 monitor |
| 00:51.05 | Abn0rmal | It supports stretching everything to fill the screen or it supports 4:3 (black bars on each side) |
| 00:51.32 | Abn0rmal | It also supports resolutions like 1280x1024 which is 5:4 but doesn't have a 5:4 display option |
| 00:51.38 | thiago | if I run it at 1024x768, it displays things stretched horizontally. A square becomes a rectangle. |
| 00:51.44 | thiago | if I run it at 1680x1050, its native resolution, things show up exactly as intended |
| 00:52.40 | Abn0rmal | I don't actually know what the native resolution of this TV actually is. It |
| 00:52.48 | Abn0rmal | It's supposed to be a 1080i TV |
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| 00:52.56 | thiago | 1920x1080 |
| 00:53.14 | Abn0rmal | You'd think that, but the manual doesn't list that as an allowed resolution |
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| 00:55.14 | Abn0rmal | The manual claims that you can do 800x600, 1280x720, 1024x768, 1388x780, 1400x788, 1400x1050 over DPI |
| 00:55.46 | Abn0rmal | 1280x960 and 1280x1024 work |
| 00:55.52 | thiago | what does the TV claim it can do? |
| 00:56.52 | Abn0rmal | It claims to do 1080i with a component video input, up to 1280x960 over vga and up to 1400x1050 over DVI |
| 00:57.33 | Abn0rmal | My video card absolutely refuses to set any resolution wider than 1280 however. |
| 00:58.33 | Abn0rmal | I can make it run at 1280x1024 but I'm sticking to 1280x960 because the distortion is too much otherwise. |
| 00:58.47 | thiago | the video card should be able to list the modes tha the monitor supports |
| 00:58.56 | thiago | just run xrandr |
| 00:59.06 | thiago | unless you have an NVidia card |
| 00:59.07 | Abn0rmal | This is an older TV and it's support for EDID is less than perfect. |
| 01:00.45 | sreich | you'll have to edit your xorg.conf then |
| 01:00.47 | Abn0rmal | It lies about physical display size so I have to override that manually. I don't know what else might be incorredt |
| 01:00.53 | sreich | and tell xorg to think that the monitor has everything |
| 01:01.16 | sreich | and you could end up damaging things if you run a res it doesn't like. though I think that only applies to extremely old CRT monitors |
| 01:02.09 | Abn0rmal | I have a working xorg.conf. My only question is if there was any way to convince either X or KDE to scale the output such that squares actually look like squares |
| 01:03.02 | sreich | yes, and you mentioned adjusting the resolution..but also mentioned that the EDID info for the tv sucks (most monitors do suck at that, in fact) |
| 01:03.15 | sreich | hence why I conferred you to xorg.conf forcing |
| 01:03.24 | Abn0rmal | I have correctly set the DisplaySize |
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| 01:06.19 | Conundrum2k | hey folks |
| 01:07.06 | Abn0rmal | What I really want is for everything to be rendered onto a 1820x1024 virtual display with square and then shrunk to 1280x1024 to match the characteristic of the display |
| 01:08.39 | Conundrum2k | does anyone have some tips on running kde on a laptop and using a docking station.. My laptop works great running fc16 when i'm on the docking station.. when i disconnect however i have all sorts of issues.. the screen stops rendering correctly, even if i disable the second monitor (wich is normally my primary), to fix that i need to delete my plasma config files in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* - |
| 01:08.40 | Conundrum2k | then sometimes my laptop keyboard stops working after being in kde for about a minute.. I have just enough time to put in my password for my keyring, and then the next thing i do, i get no typing... |
| 01:09.22 | Conundrum2k | i get widgets back that i previously deleted, my background goes back to default (before i delete the plasma files) |
| 01:09.24 | Conundrum2k | etc.... |
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| 01:12.34 | Abn0rmal | What actually controlls the pre-rendering of the widgets into PNGs? |
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| 01:16.55 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: define "widgets" |
| 01:17.09 | Abn0rmal | like the K menu icon |
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| 01:17.28 | Sho_ | that's not a widget, it's an icon |
| 01:17.57 | Sho_ | and the answer is: nuno pinheiro running inkscape at home |
| 01:20.30 | Conundrum2k | heh |
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| 01:31.30 | Abn0rmal | In theory, shouldn't a compositing window manager be able to do the transformations necessary to make images look correct when displayed with non-square pixels? |
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| 01:34.36 | kdepepo | Unless X11 also supports input transformations, no. |
| 01:35.29 | Abn0rmal | Does that depend on the driver? |
| 01:35.33 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: no |
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| 01:36.17 | Sho_ | when something is rasterized square you can't magically make it a rectangle |
| 01:37.25 | Sho_ | not without throwing away information or interpolating information, both meaning loss of fidelity |
| 01:37.29 | Abn0rmal | Shouldn't it be possible to render a desktop to a virtual screen and then transform that scale that to the physical size of the monitor? |
| 01:38.20 | Sho_ | sure, but the rendering step still rasterizes for square pixels then |
| 01:39.01 | Sho_ | (and kdepepo is correct about transforming event coordinates) |
| 01:40.31 | Abn0rmal | I don't know if my terms are right but what I envision is a virtual canvass that actualy has more pixels than the physical viewport and a basic image scaling algorithm that converts one into the other |
| 01:42.07 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: ok, so let's imagine you are a program and want to draw a square on the screen |
| 01:42.15 | Abn0rmal | ok |
| 01:42.50 | Rafweee | do you like cats ? |
| 01:43.04 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: the api has a drawRectangle function that takes two arguments, width and height in pixels |
| 01:43.09 | Abn0rmal | ok |
| 01:43.55 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: so on a screen with square pixels, passing 100 to both arguments produces a square |
| 01:44.18 | Abn0rmal | yes |
| 01:44.24 | Rafweee | why KDE is better than gnome ? |
| 01:45.15 | Abn0rmal | I don't see why the size and shape of the pixels for the canvas and the viewport need to be the same though |
| 01:45.23 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: however, if the screen's pixels are not square, you must adjust the arguments accordingly, telling it to use the amounts of pixels that visually produce a square |
| 01:46.30 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: now, the problem is: except for font rendering, nothing in ui rendering makes this adjustment |
| 01:47.14 | Sho_ | code deals in pixels, ignoring PAR, not in physical units |
| 01:48.29 | Abn0rmal | I'm looking at a screen that is physically 598mmx336mm. So what's wrong with letting all the application believe this physical is divided into square pixels (1820x1024) but either the window manager or else the X server adjust for the fact that on the display that same physical area is only divided into 1280 pixels x 1024 pixels? |
| 01:49.10 | Sho_ | nothing per se, except you lose fidelity of course |
| 01:49.14 | Abn0rmal | I understand that some amount of information loss would occur, but it shouldn't be too bad |
| 01:49.58 | Sho_ | the wm is the wrong place to do it conceptually, though |
| 01:51.30 | Abn0rmal | Can that kind of processing be done in the GPU? |
| 01:51.46 | Sho_ | that would need to happen in the video hardware somewhere between the framebuffer and the output pins |
| 01:52.25 | Sho_ | i imagine some cards can do that |
| 01:53.14 | Sho_ | xrandr also supports exposing the elements in the pipeline, thw crtcs and so on |
| 01:53.18 | Abn0rmal | It seems like my computer is scaling images and even videos all the time so I don't understand conceptually why it would be difficult to achieve |
| 01:53.20 | Sho_ | *the |
| 01:54.14 | Sho_ | oh kwin can of course do the scaling, it just can't pass it on the way you want to |
| 01:54.45 | Abn0rmal | Is that some limitation fundemental to the design? |
| 01:54.50 | Sho_ | kwin has no way to tell apps there is a fake virtual coordinate space |
| 01:55.08 | Sho_ | video mode is done by the server |
| 01:56.10 | Abn0rmal | xrandr does set up a fake virtual coordinate space, doesn't it? |
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| 01:57.00 | Sho_ | in fact, x' limited support for having a larger virtuak screen than the real output res happens entirely by bypassing the wm, including the panning |
| 01:57.44 | Sho_ | so while kwin could scale, the big problem is input handling and transformation |
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| 01:59.59 | Abn0rmal | Would it be easier in something like Wayland? |
| 02:00.31 | Abn0rmal | I've heard that there are alternatives to X but don't know anything about them |
| 02:01.24 | Sho_ | good question. it might, it might not ... they haven't done input transform yet and it depends on the protocol design, would have to research to give a quaified answer |
| 02:03.17 | Abn0rmal | I can't possibly be the first person to encounter this situation. |
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| 02:04.46 | Abn0rmal | I guess everybody just lives with it. The fonts do the right thing so the fact that images don't look right isn't the end of the world |
| 02:05.06 | Abn0rmal | But it would be nice if they did look right |
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| 02:08.48 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: well almost no one has nonsquare pixels |
| 02:10.51 | Sho_ | Abn0rmal: about your xrandr q, sorry ... too much to type with one finger |
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| 03:53.19 | arinov | what kde application let me to draw schemes and diagrams? |
| 03:54.11 | yottabit | er... |
| 03:54.31 | yottabit | arinov: that wasn't directed at you |
| 03:54.49 | yottabit | arinov: you could use the calligra suite |
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| 03:54.52 | yottabit | http://www.calligra-suite.org/ |
| 03:55.03 | yottabit | i think koffice has the flows equivalent |
| 03:55.39 | yottabit | yeah, kivio |
| 03:55.48 | yottabit | kivio and flows |
| 03:56.53 | yottabit | anywho... |
| 03:57.11 | yottabit | so, Sho_, i was looking for androbit's branding.svgz |
| 03:57.13 | yottabit | it doesn't exiist |
| 03:57.50 | yottabit | also, in kubuntu, /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default doesn't show the kubuntu text that i see in kickoff |
| 03:58.29 | yottabit | soo... it's going to be hard to replace the androbit text with the kubuntu text if i can't find branding.svgz in androbit and i can't even find the branding file kubuntu uses |
| 03:59.28 | Sho_ | kde4-config --path data |
| 03:59.49 | yottabit | /home/heath/.kde/share/apps/:/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/:/usr/share/kde4/apps/ |
| 04:00.20 | Sho_ | split(':')[1] |
| 04:00.27 | yottabit | so now we know where to look |
| 04:02.58 | yottabit | got it |
| 04:03.08 | yottabit | now to find the androbit svgz |
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| 04:04.42 | yottabit | $ locate -i androbit | grep branding |
| 04:04.44 | yottabit | /home/heath/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme/Androbit/widgets/branding.svgz |
| 04:04.45 | yottabit | /home/heath/.project-neon-kde/share/apps/desktoptheme/Androbit/widgets/branding.svgz |
| 04:04.47 | yottabit | done |
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| 05:28.02 | pspace | Hello! |
| 05:28.43 | arinov | i cant connect to network printer via samba, everything nessesary installed |
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| 06:17.11 | Leoneof | hey, i have fixed the "slow" performance in Debian 6 KDE :] |
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| 06:18.33 | pspace | How did you manage that |
| 06:18.35 | stalkerg | Leoneof: why? |
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| 06:19.35 | Leoneof | kwin is slow, and that problem was like compiz exactly, ^_^ |
| 06:19.38 | Leoneof | really. |
| 06:19.51 | Leoneof | now it is very very fast, yay! |
| 06:19.56 | Leoneof | kde 4.4.5 |
| 06:20.01 | sreich | wow that's old |
| 06:20.08 | sreich | oh, debian... |
| 06:20.16 | Leoneof | it is faster than gnome! |
| 06:20.27 | sreich | cool :) |
| 06:20.44 | sreich | probably your gpu drivers aren't too great, hence slow with desktop effects enabled |
| 06:20.52 | Leoneof | uh no |
| 06:20.59 | Leoneof | nvidia 8600m gt 512mb |
| 06:21.51 | pspace | I used to use compiz with KDE 4.4 as well. When KWin fixed several performance issues, I also removed compiz. |
| 06:22.15 | pspace | Plus, Kwin now has most of the same animations that Compiz has, aside from a few like beam up |
| 06:22.16 | sreich | Leoneof: doesn't mean your drivers don't suck |
| 06:22.33 | pspace | Im on 4.7 now |
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| 06:23.30 | Leoneof | i opened "NVIDIA X Server Settings", then selected "X Server Display Configuration", and changed "Resolution" to manual setting, mine is 1280x800 61Hz |
| 06:23.48 | Leoneof | and apply :) |
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| 06:25.12 | sreich | but yeah, the Nvidia drivers notably have had some real hatred against performance in kde |
| 06:25.20 | sreich | or, "in particular", rather |
| 06:26.20 | Leoneof | ^_^ |
| 06:26.38 | sreich | probably a lot of it is fixed by now, on both sides (though I still have bad experiences with nvidia). but you're using debian stable so you're missing out on a lot of excellent fixes kde's done |
| 06:26.52 | sreich | (and what the drivers might have fixed) |
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| 06:27.35 | Leoneof | yeah, i have been using kubuntu 11.10 yesterday, it is very fast by default with noeveau driver. |
| 06:28.01 | sreich | yeah |
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| 06:28.23 | sreich | though the nouveau driver on some gpus still doesn't have full 3d accel |
| 06:28.46 | sreich | radeon drivers are pretty good in that area (have it on this desktop and my laptop..effects work quite well) |
| 06:29.18 | Leoneof | lucky :D |
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| 06:30.09 | sreich | hehe |
| 06:30.18 | sreich | yeah, I specifically go out of my way now to buy everything amd/ati |
| 06:30.34 | sreich | mostly because they help out the open source drivers a lot |
| 06:33.51 | pspace | ...but they don't have an open source video driver do they |
| 06:37.24 | Leoneof | any alternative for Synaptic? |
| 06:38.05 | sreich | pspace: sort of.. |
| 06:38.12 | sreich | they still support their binary driver, fglrx |
| 06:38.24 | sreich | but they also have hired developers to work on the oss radeon driver |
| 06:38.32 | sreich | and they publish specifications etc |
| 06:38.56 | sreich | e.g. when Northern Islands came out they helped get basic 3D support up in no time |
| 06:39.12 | sreich | Southern Islands is supposed to have even better support off of the assembly line, as well |
| 06:40.24 | sreich | but ultimately the oss driver works better overall, I'd say |
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| 06:54.02 | me__ | hey guys, my screensaver stopped working. I guess the process crashed or something. which process am i loking for please? |
| 06:54.34 | sreich | plasma-overlay I believe |
| 06:54.38 | sreich | or kscreenlocker |
| 06:55.01 | sreich | or kscreensaver ;) |
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| 06:56.43 | me__ | I have none of the above |
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| 06:57.13 | stalkerg | Leoneof: use kde 4.8 :) KWin realy fast |
| 06:57.35 | Leoneof | stalkerg: :`( |
| 06:57.47 | Leoneof | stalkerg: how to update to 4.8? grrr |
| 06:58.11 | sreich | don't use debian ;) |
| 06:58.15 | Leoneof | lol |
| 06:58.21 | sreich | or use debian unstable..which would probably only get you like 4.6 |
| 06:58.29 | Leoneof | or compile kde? |
| 06:58.31 | sreich | 4.8 isn't out btw. it's only at rc1 now |
| 06:58.34 | sreich | yes, or that |
| 06:58.55 | Leoneof | then i have to compile basic desktop, two files? |
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| 06:59.04 | sreich | wuh? |
| 06:59.29 | Leoneof | someone told me to download/compile two files only |
| 06:59.31 | Leoneof | here |
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| 07:00.02 | sreich | well, that wouldn't work to get kde 4.8 ;) |
| 07:00.20 | Leoneof | :`/ |
| 07:00.24 | stalkerg | Leoneof: git&svn and configure && make && make install |
| 07:00.49 | stalkerg | Leoneof: or use Gentoo emerge kde-meta ;) |
| 07:00.52 | sreich | yeah, except kde has much more complicated dependencies than anything else |
| 07:00.59 | Leoneof | i'm afraid to damage cpu for compiling everytime :' |
| 07:01.05 | sreich | lol, what? |
| 07:01.12 | stalkerg | Leoneof: why? |
| 07:01.19 | sreich | yes, why? :) |
| 07:01.23 | Leoneof | my expensive laptop :d |
| 07:01.31 | stalkerg | sreich: you know ;) |
| 07:01.44 | sreich | my computer is probably more expensive than your laptop ;) |
| 07:01.50 | sreich | and I recompile at least 3 times a day |
| 07:01.57 | Leoneof | computer is not laptop :D |
| 07:02.14 | stalkerg | LOL |
| 07:02.15 | sreich | well, if your laptop overheats the most that will happen is it hitting a thermal cutoff |
| 07:02.36 | sreich | iow: your computer hard shuts off before any damage is even close to being done |
| 07:02.45 | sreich | so..you really don't have to worry about that... |
| 07:02.47 | Leoneof | yes it is overheat, acpi -t show me 90c |
| 07:03.01 | stalkerg | "computer is not laptop" - for quotes! :) |
| 07:03.05 | sreich | core internal? |
| 07:03.06 | sreich | stalkerg: :D |
| 07:03.25 | sreich | also, acpi is shit btw |
| 07:03.30 | Leoneof | how come |
| 07:03.37 | sreich | it's the most unstandardized thing in existence..just ask the kernel devs |
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| 07:03.42 | stalkerg | Leoneof: hm... need cleaning |
| 07:03.53 | sreich | hardware manufacturers make up whatever they want |
| 07:03.54 | Leoneof | it is very clean |
| 07:04.09 | sreich | so it's also possible that the sensor is 10-20° off |
| 07:04.10 | stalkerg | Leoneof: aaand what kernel you use? |
| 07:04.19 | sreich | (had that happen before actually) |
| 07:04.31 | Leoneof | 2.6.32 |
| 07:04.34 | Leoneof | very old |
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| 07:04.42 | sreich | ah yes, debian ;p |
| 07:04.48 | Leoneof | hey! |
| 07:04.54 | sreich | heheh |
| 07:04.58 | izhak | Hi, what is the name of an application responsible for external media detection, I mean sys tray tool ? |
| 07:05.07 | sreich | izhak: device notifier |
| 07:05.16 | sreich | not an application btw, it's a plasma widget |
| 07:05.19 | izhak | sreich: How do I run it? |
| 07:05.33 | izhak | ahh.. Isn't there a standalone application? |
| 07:05.36 | sreich | by adding the widget |
| 07:05.42 | sreich | hm..not technically |
| 07:05.49 | sreich | although you could use plasmoidviewer if you wanted to |
| 07:06.03 | sreich | it's mostly integrated into the workspace |
| 07:06.23 | stalkerg | Leoneof: yep.. good luck! I have some trouble on HP ProBook... but he go to lower freq :) |
| 07:06.42 | sreich | heh |
| 07:06.48 | sreich | yeah, most cpus will thermal throttle as well |
| 07:07.15 | Leoneof | stalkerg: acpi -t is 43c now, i'm not compiling, is that normal? |
| 07:07.20 | izhak | I run fluxbox on my laptop (low memory), but use most of the KDE applications, like say akregator, kmix, krandrtray, so wanted to have one for media |
| 07:07.35 | stalkerg | Leoneof: maybe ubuntu or mint linux more good for laptops... |
| 07:07.44 | stalkerg | Leoneof: yes |
| 07:07.44 | Leoneof | O_O |
| 07:08.11 | Leoneof | or buy air condition and install it under laptop |
| 07:08.11 | stalkerg | Leoneof: my laptop have 60c minimum |
| 07:08.19 | Leoneof | wow, that's hot |
| 07:08.19 | sreich | lol |
| 07:08.37 | sreich | 60c isn't really that hot |
| 07:08.44 | sreich | 90c is pretty toasty though ;) |
| 07:08.56 | izhak | sreich: Is there any KDE application like I need? |
| 07:09.06 | sreich | depending on the cpu model/manufacturer...the temp tolerances and temp regulars are quite different |
| 07:09.09 | stalkerg | Leoneof: old Asus laptopt up to 100c :) but termliquid is shit... |
| 07:09.10 | sreich | izhak: I don't understand the question |
| 07:09.18 | stalkerg | bb |
| 07:09.21 | Leoneof | O_O! |
| 07:09.42 | sreich | Leoneof: usually you can't actually fry your cpu btw |
| 07:09.46 | sreich | just by running it |
| 07:09.59 | izhak | sreich: Is there any kde app for external media wich could be run without plasma? |
| 07:10.02 | sreich | if it gets so hot, it'll hit a point where it just can't process instructions properly and will likely lock up the system |
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| 07:10.12 | sreich | izhak: hmm.. |
| 07:10.25 | izhak | sreich: I need to run it in fluxbox |
| 07:10.26 | sreich | unless you count dolphin..not that I know of ;) |
| 07:10.32 | sreich | ah I see |
| 07:10.37 | Leoneof | sreich: ah, that's nice feature :] |
| 07:10.47 | sreich | I imagine there's one out there *somewhere* |
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| 07:11.34 | sreich | goes to bed |
| 07:11.48 | sreich | izhak: try kde-app/kde-look.org and/or google ;) |
| 07:12.33 | Leoneof | happy dreams! |
| 07:13.08 | izhak | sreich: ok, thanks |
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| 08:15.44 | packadal | hi, Phonon does not list my primary audio device, even though it shows up in alsaconf |
| 08:16.19 | packadal | the popup asking if I want phonon to permanently forget about the devcice poped up some time ago and I mistakenly clicked 'yes' |
| 08:16.23 | packadal | any way to revert this ? |
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| 08:23.04 | ts2 | packadal: you can probably just remove ~/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc and see if that make it re-detect the devices |
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| 08:24.35 | packadal | ts2: thanks, trying that now :) |
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| 08:28.48 | packadal | ts2: nope, didn't work :( |
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| 08:29.42 | ts2 | maybe try logging out, removing the file, then logging back in (now just having a wild guess) |
| 08:30.08 | ts2 | I have a vague memory of having to remove that phonondevicesrc once or twice a long time ago |
| 08:31.14 | packadal | ok, I'll try :) |
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| 08:33.03 | packadal | ts2: I went to terminal emulator, stopped kdm, removed the file and started back up and still nothing |
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| 08:35.10 | packadal | funny thing is I see said card in the config file when I read it |
| 08:35.15 | packadal | but it does not show up in the list |
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| 08:37.08 | ts2 | packadal: I'm not sure then, that's the only place I know where phonon stores any settings |
| 08:37.47 | packadal | ts2: thanks for trying :) |
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| 10:21.10 | vip | or, it saves, but does not read it, and deletes |
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| 11:15.47 | kollapse | Hi. What does ~/.kdevduchain contain ? |
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| 13:03.17 | NUM_1_ | how can I know whether a bug on bugs.kde.org is already solved? |
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| 13:04.48 | annma | NUM_1_: it's marked as FIXED |
| 13:04.57 | annma | or as a duplicate o fa fixed one |
| 13:05.05 | NUM_1_ | ok |
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| 13:11.23 | ov1d1u_n | hi, everyone |
| 13:11.37 | ov1d1u_n | I have an issue |
| 13:12.14 | ov1d1u_n | .cbp (CodeBlocks project) files are opened with Chromium (the default web browser), even if they're associated with CodeBlocks |
| 13:12.25 | ov1d1u_n | this happens when I use Dolphin, kde-open or xdg-open |
| 13:12.42 | ov1d1u_n | with Konqueror they're opening with the associated program (CodeBlocks) |
| 13:12.45 | ov1d1u_n | what could be wrong? |
| 13:13.00 | ov1d1u_n | or how I can reset all file associations in KDE? |
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| 13:13.07 | kbroulik | ov1d1u_n: did you check the file associations? |
| 13:13.11 | ov1d1u_n | yes |
| 13:13.20 | ov1d1u_n | http://i.imgur.com/Hz8Dq.jpg |
| 13:13.23 | ov1d1u_n | look |
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| 13:13.52 | kbroulik | o.O weird |
| 13:14.06 | kbroulik | what happens when you remove chromium et al from the list? |
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| 13:14.23 | kbroulik | or do you need them to open this file? otherwise you could try removing all unneccessary applications from thee |
| 13:14.33 | ov1d1u_n | I left only CodeBlocks in that list and it's still opening with Chromium |
| 13:14.51 | kbroulik | in the screenshot there's a bunch of applications in the list |
| 13:14.58 | ov1d1u_n | I opened Dolphon with another user account and there's all ok |
| 13:15.18 | ov1d1u_n | when I double-click on .cbp files they're opening with CodeBlocks |
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| 13:16.16 | ov1d1u_n | so I wonder where KDE is keeping it's association settings |
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| 13:16.29 | ov1d1u_n | in which file or directory |
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| 13:53.29 | faLUCE | (KATE editor) |
| 13:53.32 | faLUCE | hi, I want to to set a first bookmark, then a second, then a third etc. and then, with a keyboard shortcut, I want to go to the fifth bookmark. How can I do? |
| 13:53.33 | faLUCE | [14:49] <faLUCE> otherwise: how can I find the fifth occourrance of "foo" ? |
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| 14:13.42 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 14:53.54 | [TomTom] | hi there, is there ipsec support in (k)networkmanager? |
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| 14:56.53 | BluesKaj | [TomTom], you can install ipsec-tools from the repos |
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| 14:58.02 | [TomTom] | BluesKaj: ipsec is pain in the ass, regarding configuration.. this is why i asked for a nice NM GUI helper B-) |
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| 14:58.49 | BluesKaj | [TomTom], ok, |
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| 15:11.42 | BluesKaj | [TomTom], ethernet or wifi ? |
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| 15:16.28 | TomTom | BluesKaj: ethernet |
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| 15:21.04 | BluesKaj | [TomTom], so is network manager (NM) absolutely necessary , one can run a network just using the /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf files , without the ned for a gui |
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| 15:22.49 | BluesKaj | bummer , too late |
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| 15:26.34 | wodim | BluesKaj, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UACfuN-GQQg |
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| 15:31.30 | BluesKaj | wodim, , what was the purpose of that post? |
| 15:32.40 | wodim | completely related |
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| 15:54.47 | Sinus | Hi |
| 15:55.23 | Sinus | I'm preparing some qustions for Plasma Active FAQ (as my gci task). Do you have any suggestions for questions, that are frequently asked ? |
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| 15:58.20 | kde__pepo | "How do I change transparency of the panel" |
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| 16:00.27 | kde__pepo | ah, missed the "active" part, not sure if mobile users love customization ... ;) |
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| 16:24.57 | Wintus | Is it normal Dolphin starts at login? |
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| 16:30.18 | cb400f | Wintus: if it was running when you logged out, yes |
| 16:30.39 | Wintus | Thx |
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| 16:32.40 | NUM_1_ | i cloned koffice from git and successfully compiled it but when i run ./kword i get errors............can anyone help? |
| 16:33.13 | annma | NUM_1_: run from konsole and pastebin errors |
| 16:33.27 | annma | ah you did not install it? |
| 16:33.36 | NUM_1_ | i nstalled |
| 16:33.37 | annma | you should |
| 16:33.52 | annma | so why do you run ./kword |
| 16:33.56 | annma | and not kword |
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| 16:35.07 | NUM_1_ | ok........i installed it in a different directory.......than what is default. by -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX use |
| 16:35.37 | annma | so you need to set $KDEDIRS |
| 16:35.44 | annma | to includ ethis dir |
| 16:35.50 | annma | to include this dir |
| 16:36.08 | NUM_1_ | can i get a guide of that? |
| 16:36.35 | NUM_1_ | i mean a page or something |
| 16:38.52 | annma | probably somewhere on tachbase.kde.org |
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| 16:39.11 | annma | techbase.kde;org |
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| 16:43.11 | annma | basically set $KDEDIRS and run kbuildsycoca4 |
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| 16:57.48 | NUM_1_ | setting the $KDEDIRS did not work |
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| 16:58.28 | NUM_1_ | i am pasting the terminal output i get |
| 16:58.36 | annma | in a pastebin please |
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| 17:04.34 | NUM_1_ | i have pasted it |
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| 17:04.42 | NUM_1_ | please have a look |
| 17:04.57 | annma | please giv eme the url so I can look |
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| 17:05.22 | NUM_1_ | http://pastebin.com/gBtr9iqw |
| 17:07.21 | annma | echo $KDEDIRS |
| 17:07.29 | annma | paste result directly here |
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| 17:10.47 | annma | NUM_1_: ? |
| 17:11.14 | NUM_1_ | http://pastebin.com/gBtr9iqw |
| 17:11.23 | NUM_1_ | this is the url |
| 17:11.43 | annma | echo $KDEDIRS |
| 17:11.45 | annma | paste result directly here |
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| 17:13.42 | annma | NUM_1_: please |
| 17:14.02 | NUM_1_ | i am not getting any output |
| 17:14.17 | annma | so you did not set it |
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| 17:14.35 | NUM_1_ | i set it to "/home/rahul/kdelibs-dev/inst" |
| 17:14.38 | annma | where did you install KOffice? |
| 17:14.44 | annma | it's not set clearly |
| 17:15.18 | annma | export $KDEDIRS=/home/rahul/kdelibs-dev/inst:/usr |
| 17:15.30 | annma | kbuildsycoca4 |
| 17:15.35 | NUM_1_ | i installed koffice in "/home/rahul/koffice/inst" |
| 17:15.43 | annma | and from the same terminal retry: kword & |
| 17:15.50 | annma | ah |
| 17:16.08 | annma | export $KDEDIRS=/home/rahul/koffice/inst:/usr |
| 17:18.20 | NUM_1_ | is it necessary to put $ in there? |
| 17:18.30 | NUM_1_ | in the export command |
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| 17:19.45 | annma | no sorry |
| 17:19.49 | annma | my mistake |
| 17:20.42 | NUM_1_ | I get the same error |
| 17:21.21 | NUM_1_ | just typing kword tells me to install kword |
| 17:21.46 | NUM_1_ | and ./kword gives the error i pasted |
| 17:22.23 | annma | did yo uinstall kword |
| 17:22.34 | annma | did you install kword with make install |
| 17:23.35 | NUM_1_ | yes |
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| 17:26.32 | annma | NUM_1_: follow this http://wiki.koffice.org/index.php?title=Building/Building_KOffice#Running_KOffice_applications |
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| 17:33.12 | NUM_1_ | Thanks a lot |
| 17:33.17 | NUM_1_ | that worked |
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| 17:39.20 | AndroidLoverInSF | in dolphin 4.72 kde, how can i go up a directory, alt-up arrow doesnt seem to work |
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| 17:40.05 | AndroidLoverInSF | sorry nevermind, the left alt button works but not the right alt, plus up arrow |
| 17:40.09 | reavertm | AndroidLoverInSF: maybe you're at / already or cwd doesn't exist? |
| 17:41.04 | reavertm | a, shortcut, yeah, left alt works |
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| 18:08.34 | mark76 | Hello. Can anyone tell me why Kmail has stopped displaying message content? |
| 18:08.39 | mark76 | http://imagebin.org/192890 |
| 18:09.17 | mark76 | Also, why I can't move messages to trash |
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| 18:11.44 | mark76 | I keep getting "Moving messages to trash canceled" |
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| 18:11.56 | mark76 | And I'm not the one cancelling it |
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| 18:16.55 | foormea | hi hi |
| 18:18.18 | foormea | i'm having a dual screen setup for the first time. i run kde 4.7.3 with gentoo. can i have 4 different virtual desktops on each physical screen that are not tied to each other -- i.e. when i change from 1 desktop to another on 1 screen, can i keep the other physical screen as is, without changing to the 'complement' of the virtual desktop of the first physical screen? |
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| 18:19.10 | mark76 | Why can't I trash those messages? I can trash all that have come after them |
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| 18:22.40 | sreich | foormea: no, they're sets. each virtual desktop change changes the whole screen set |
| 18:24.06 | foormea | sreich: thanks :) that'll avoid me looking for a solution for hours and hours and hours :D |
| 18:24.14 | sreich | :) |
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| 18:25.56 | mark76 | Why can't I trash some messages in Kmail? |
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| 18:32.47 | mark76 | Will someone answer me ever? |
| 18:32.53 | mark76 | http://imagebin.org/192890 |
| 18:33.01 | mark76 | Why can't I trash those messages? |
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| 18:34.09 | kbroulik | mark76: lol, I dont even ask myself anymore if something in kmail doesnt work *duck* |
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| 18:35.19 | mark76 | It's frustrating, because it's only those seven messages. Every other message I've received has behaved normally |
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| 18:37.45 | mark76 | Which folder does kmail keep mail in? |
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| 18:40.37 | mark76 | I'll delete the damned things from that |
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| 19:12.53 | mark76 | Do I have to delete every folder in my file manager to remove these accursed messages? |
| 19:13.06 | ninjai | how can I make my gnome applications have a KDE look? I'm running arch linux with the latest build (I think) of KDE4 |
| 19:13.12 | mark76 | Because I will if no one tells me where the kmail folder is |
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| 19:15.51 | mark76 | Is it a secret or something? This is getting frustrating |
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| 19:17.04 | mark76 | Why will no one tell me where the kmail mail folder is? |
| 19:17.08 | sriram | mark76 : pls tell ur issue. |
| 19:17.22 | mark76 | I can't see it in my home folder even with show hidden enabled |
| 19:17.32 | mark76 | So where is it? |
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| 19:18.48 | sriram | just now joined in channel, i'm not able to view ur previous questions. |
| 19:19.09 | sriram | do you want to see the kmail local folder? |
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| 19:20.40 | mark76 | Yes |
| 19:20.43 | mark76 | That's the one |
| 19:21.14 | sriram | ~/.local/share/local-mail/ |
| 19:21.28 | mark76 | Aha. Thanks. Now I can delete those messages |
| 19:22.32 | mark76 | http://imagebin.org/192898 |
| 19:23.58 | mark76 | That's strange. All the folders in ~/.local/share/local-mail are empty |
| 19:24.14 | sriram | are u using kmail2? |
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| 19:25.09 | mark76 | Apparently I'm using 1.13.5 sriram |
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| 19:31.41 | sriram | mark76 : just go to configure kmail and then check the 'Accounts'. |
| 19:32.32 | sriram | you may have 'local folders' in that, simply change its mail directory to something you want. |
| 19:32.57 | mark76 | I want to delete those even messages that I can't delete |
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| 19:33.42 | mark76 | seven |
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| 19:35.40 | mark76 | I'm going to reboot and see if that removes them |
| 19:35.55 | sriram | can you rename your .local to something like .local1 and check again. |
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| 19:37.27 | sriram | similiarly rename the .kde directory also to find the maildir |
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| 19:39.45 | sriram | mark76 : also check your mbox directory |
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| 19:40.50 | mark76 | Nope they're still there |
| 19:41.33 | sriram | mark76, pls rename ur .local and .kde directory to something and restart the kmail to check again. |
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| 19:43.30 | mark76 | I moved the local-mail folder to trash |
| 19:44.15 | mark76 | These messages I can't delete have no content |
| 19:44.26 | sriram | just move entire .local and .kde directory and restore again after checking |
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| 19:59.50 | mark76 | Take a look at this screenshot sriram http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6674726117_f2c88c2ff5_b.jpg |
| 19:59.57 | mark76 | Do you notice anything odd? |
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| 20:01.57 | sriram | mark76, nothing big, you have ur local mail folder configured. |
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| 20:03.22 | sriram | you may not able to delete that message because that maildir is read-only for ur username. |
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| 20:04.01 | sriram | you may have ur maildir in /var/spool/mail/ directory |
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| 20:06.48 | sriram | mark76 : caught anything? |
| 20:07.12 | mark76 | NOt yet |
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| 20:36.21 | jamil_1 | hi all |
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| 20:37.16 | jamil_1 | how can I type assign keyboard shortcuts to special symbols like → ← etc |
| 20:38.06 | jamil_1 | s/type// |
| 20:38.49 | blade | hell if i know but where those special symbols you got a crazy keyboard or something |
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| 20:44.57 | sreich | blade: using composè key |
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| 20:45.15 | sreich | jamil_1: you mean other than using the compose key? |
| 20:45.36 | sreich | you could set it under custom shortcuts to output that char whenever you hit some combo |
| 20:45.49 | blade | oic |
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| 20:46.01 | jamil_1 | sreich: right. but currently I am typing at random to see what character is produces |
| 20:47.11 | jamil_1 | serafean: I need to write only 4-5 characters onlt |
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| 20:48.50 | serafean | jamil_1: ? |
| 20:49.12 | jamil_1 | serafean: oops...sorry I meant sreich |
| 20:49.16 | serafean | jamil_1: not sure it was for me |
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| 20:50.11 | sreich | I don't understand the issue |
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| 20:52.12 | jamil_1 | sreich: I mean how can I map letsay win + right arrow to → |
| 20:53.19 | kollapse | Hi. I'm having some trouble with a KDE plasma theme. http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/imagine1.png - you can see three ugly small lines on the panel border. Anyone know why they appear ? |
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| 20:54.17 | sreich | jamil_1: I just told you |
| 20:54.51 | sreich | kollapse: person didn't make the theme properly tos upport vertical panels |
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| 20:55.27 | kollapse | sreich: Any way to modify the theme as to improve support ? |
| 20:55.41 | sreich | edit the svgz's |
| 20:56.08 | sreich | find the element that's used for that and remove the line |
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| 21:00.21 | blade | hey when are you guys gonna get kde compatible with qt 4.8 |
| 21:00.42 | Torch | blade: this is a user support channel. |
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| 21:00.54 | blade | oh right |
| 21:00.59 | blade | nvm |
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| 21:02.29 | kde__pepo | blade, running KDE on Q 4.8 right now, what's the issue? |
| 21:03.15 | blade | kde__pepo: me too it links but a lot of modules have compile errors from QByteArray change something or other |
| 21:04.01 | kde__pepo | blade, report them. |
| 21:04.26 | rdieter | blade: both kde-4.7.x and kde-4.7.9x build ok for me (and some distros ship that way) |
| 21:05.02 | rdieter | so, it works in general, maybe something particular or specific to how your building things. |
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| 21:09.42 | jamil_1 | sreich: I have this in Action tab of add custom shortcuts: Shift+H:E:L:L:O:ʎ:F |
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| 21:10.04 | jamil_1 | sreich: It print Hellof, skips the ʎ |
| 21:11.13 | blade | rdieter: hmm.. i guess.. i haven't changed anything building. from scratch .. i will have to look into that. this is kinda basically the stuff i ran into. my compilation isn't doing implicit cast or something https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/101342/diff/ |
| 21:11.30 | jamil_1 | I think I know whats wrong |
| 21:12.00 | sreich | jamil_1: hm, interesting |
| 21:12.07 | sreich | better solution could be just telling it to activate compose |
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| 21:12.19 | jamil_1 | sreich: I have activated compose |
| 21:12.30 | sreich | no |
| 21:12.47 | sreich | I meant telling it to activate the compose shortcut and the necessary shortcuts to trigger that symbol's appearance |
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| 21:13.24 | jamil_1 | sreich: How can I do that ? |
| 21:13.28 | rdieter | blade: that was 7 months ago, *way* before qt48 was close to being final and released. I think it's been fixed since then (else way more people would be having problems methinks) |
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| 21:14.46 | rdieter | blade: do you have any specific problem with *recent* builds of qt48 + kde? If so, please do share. |
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| 21:15.20 | blade | rdieter: ya no i mean thats the kind of qbytearray code thats still in some modules. let me check.. |
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| 21:15.27 | rdieter | blade : otoh, Torch was right, this is probably more #kde-devel territory |
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| 21:15.46 | blade | i'm using git's qt-kde btw |
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| 21:17.02 | blade | kdepimlibs/kcalcore/icalformat_p.cpp:696:89: error: cannot convert ‘QStringBuilder<char [8], QByteArray>’ to ‘const char*’ for argument ‘1’ to ‘icalproperty* icalproperty_new_organizer(const char*)’ |
| 21:18.06 | kollapse | sreich: Hmm, tried a couple of things, can't get the svgz fixed |
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| 21:20.39 | kde__pepo | blade, you are probably using global cmake flags that request errors when using char* casts. |
| 21:23.02 | blade | hmm i will have to try to find out... i'm using some modified build script from long ago i dont remember even from where |
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| 21:24.39 | blade | (whatever did cmakekde) |
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| 22:22.33 | dpecka_ | hello |
| 22:23.31 | dpecka_ | i have this problem ... my computer freezes on waking up from s3 done by kde power management .. if i do this by using another tool (deprecated acpi utils) it all works okay .. |
| 22:23.59 | dpecka_ | can i somehow change the method for changing acpi modes ? |
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| 22:45.44 | koshie | Hello |
| 22:45.55 | blade | sup homey |
| 22:46.45 | koshie | I've a strange issue with kate, I just can't write this : ^ ... I'm using KDE 4.7.3 on Kubuntu 11.10 |
| 22:47.19 | blade | check that u dont have it bound to a kate shortcut or something |
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| 22:49.01 | koshie | blade, there is nothing in the shortcut of kate. |
| 22:49.37 | BluesKaj | has anyone seen any fixes for folders not appearing in dolphin in the /usr direcrories , all i get is blank page unless i open as root |
| 22:49.39 | blade | settings->configure shortcuts |
| 22:50.05 | BluesKaj | this is in 4.8 btw |
| 22:50.06 | blade | BluesKaj: that can happen if your user doesnt have directory list permission |
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| 22:50.47 | BluesKaj | why did I lose it if I merely upgraded from 4.7.4 , blade ? |
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| 22:51.19 | BluesKaj | Ididn't change any permissions or users |
| 22:51.28 | blade | koshie: so in kate's configure shortcuts you're gonna wanna bind something to ^ and see if it says you have a conflict. only other place i can think is in your system settings custom shortcuts you would have a kate-specific keybinding that is blocking |
| 22:52.11 | blade | i guess you can try setting kate's window role to prevent global shortcuts or whatever that is if you're desparate see if that does anything you got a weird problem man |
| 22:52.26 | blade | BluesKaj: hell if i know welcome to linux happens all the time |
| 22:53.12 | koshie | blade, I will try thanks |
| 22:53.47 | koshie | blade, there is no conflict when I've binded the ^ touch. |
| 22:53.51 | blade | BluesKaj: if you run dolphin from cmd line does it say any helpful error output, and also check in terminal to make sure you can list them |
| 22:56.30 | koshie | Er, strange... In KDE I've binded save file to ^ and it's not working after a restart of kate but now I can type ^ in kate oO |
| 22:56.53 | blade | Well Well Well look who was right <--- |
| 22:57.01 | koshie | :) |
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| 22:57.39 | koshie | blade, so what is exactly the problem IYO ? |
| 22:57.55 | blade | huh |
| 22:58.14 | koshie | blade, I'm not very good in english, sorry :) |
| 22:58.20 | koshie | What do you don't understand ? |
| 22:58.27 | blade | IYO |
| 22:58.31 | koshie | In Your Opinion |
| 22:58.47 | blade | ok problem with what i thought you fixed your shortcuts |
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| 23:00.40 | koshie | blade, that's strange because this Kubuntu have one days and I've not touched the keys. |
| 23:01.18 | blade | Kubuntu packagers probably just think it's funny |
| 23:01.43 | koshie | I think too :D |
| 23:01.48 | koshie | An error, I hope :') |
| 23:07.14 | koshie | I've affected it to «About KDE» (I never use this), okay, thanks. But now I've an other problem. An hour ago I has a strange issue on KDE, some strange graphic problem so I've restarted my computer (yeah, I'm barbaric, no time) but now plasma-desktop behavior isn't normal. Some plasmoïde on my panel has moved and when I want to change the place the menu of plasmoïde doesn't appear, I has restart plasma-desktop and I've some other problem |
| 23:07.15 | koshie | now : http://images.koshie.fr/plasma-desktop-problem.png and also my plasmoïde on the panel has moved, again. |
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| 23:07.48 | koshie | Now the plasmoide menu appear correctly. |
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| 23:08.18 | koshie | Sometime the kick-off menu appear in the middle of the screen... |
| 23:08.31 | BadDesign | Anyone know if its possible to add a new section/category on the kde-apps.org website? |
| 23:08.34 | BadDesign | *knows |
| 23:09.47 | koshie | (If I'm not understandable tell me !) |
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| 23:18.10 | blade | plasma bug there's a lot of them |
| 23:18.42 | BadDesign | We need perfect computers that write perfect code, not imperfect humans writing imperfect code |
| 23:19.15 | BadDesign | but can an imperfect human create a perfect computer? |
| 23:19.27 | teratorn | such devices would surely kill us all |
| 23:19.31 | RingtailedFox | baddesign: no |
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| 23:19.48 | RingtailedFox | either we'd end up with a terminator-like situation, or it would be the same as righ tnow |
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| 23:23.39 | kkerwin | Hi. I'm looking for a decent graphical dbus browser for KDE, preferably available from within Ubuntu's repos. |
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| 23:25.03 | pinotree | qdbusviewer |
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| 23:25.13 | kkerwin | pinotree: Thank you. |
| 23:26.11 | kkerwin | pinotree: Do you know what ubuntu package that might be in? |
| 23:26.22 | pinotree | #kubuntu |
| 23:26.36 | kkerwin | pinotree: Thanks again. ;-D |
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| 23:31.48 | koshie | I want to fix my problem with KDE. I will search on launchpad and KDE Bug Tracking System but that's better to declare it on Launchpad or KDE system ? |
| 23:35.10 | sreich | good question |
| 23:35.20 | sreich | waves at pinotree, hi :) |
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| 23:42.09 | koshie | Okay, I think I've solved my problem. I was using Openbox with KDE, when I'm using Kwin everything is better :D !! |
| 23:42.35 | koshie | More heavy but IMO it's more stable too. |
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| 23:46.22 | koshie | Yeah, it works great with Kwin (normal !). Conclusion : With KDE, use Kwin. |
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| 23:54.34 | sreich | argh, you could've mentioned that to begin with... |
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| 23:54.47 | sreich | we don't really support 3rd party WM's. mostly because they suck ;) |
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| 23:59.12 | koshie | sreich, I understand, I've just forget ! |
| 23:59.34 | koshie | But now I will use Kwin, I promise ! |
