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00:40.56estanhey folks. just reinstalled my system since i got an SSD. for some reason when i try to play an AVI movie, dragonplayer only plays the sound, not the video.
00:41.10estani've tried installing all gst plugins i could find.
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00:46.01estanit seems to be this problem; http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/strange-behaviour-of-dragon-player-phonon-audio-but-no-video-909633/
00:46.18estanbut i rather not switch to xine backend like that poster did, since it's deprecated right?
00:47.45estanah nevermind. it seems i didn't have the ffmpeg gst plugin after all.
00:47.50estanproblem solved.
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00:57.18kolla_in kde3 I can pull a submenu from kmenu to a panel and it becomes a menu in the panel. In kde4 this doesn't work. How do I create similar type of menus in panels in KDE4?
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01:00.46kolla_hm, ok. has to be done manually from the shell. how effin convenient
01:01.13pinotreeright click on a menu → add to panel?
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01:12.16kolla_that doesnt create a menu here
01:12.33kolla_it creates a "open folder" icon with a kmenu icon
01:12.39kolla_er..
01:12.44kolla_it creates a "open folder" with a kmenu icon
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01:40.02hutty_hello
01:41.05hutty_does anyone know what the default path is for dekorator themes?
01:41.28hutty_I want to make one but cant find any documentation or instructions anywhere
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01:59.00hutty_anyone?
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02:09.01destiuse an existing one as reference?
02:09.10silvertip257Is there a command that I can use in my wallpaper changer script to change the wallpaper?  I've read about dcop (for 3.5) and mention of dbus (for 4.x) ... I'm working with KDE4.
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02:09.33hutty_i want to use an existing theme as refrence ... but i cant find them
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02:10.43Jucatohutty_: try looking for a folder in ~/.kde/share/apps/
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02:11.30Jucatosilvertip257: afaik it's  not (yet) possible to change wallpapers using dbus. I think the preferred way of programmatically changing a wallpaper is using the javascript interface of Plasma. not 100% sure though.
02:12.01hutty_no.. not in ~/.kde/share/apps/
02:12.21hutty_there is no dekorator folder in there and the kwin folder is empty
02:12.32silvertip257Jucato: oh ... hmm well bummer - hopefully I'll find something as I continue to research
02:13.10Jucatoyou can try asking in #plasma (but it's Sunday night time for most of the people there)
02:13.23Jucatohutty_: maybe you haven't installed a theme yet?
02:13.30silvertip257ah - well I'll let it go for now
02:14.07hutty_well if im 99% sure keramik uses dekorator
02:14.50hutty_and I can get to it from the theme changer in settings... but serching with neopunk
02:14.57hutty_get no results for it
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02:16.44Jucatokeramik?
02:16.59Jucatothat's the old KDE 3 window decoration and that doesn't use decorator
02:18.02silvertip257yep, bug filed about wallpaper + setting using dbus ... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217950
02:18.20hutty_then how am i using it on kde 4 ?
02:18.40hutty_... ps im useing kde 4.7    kubuntu
02:18.41ZorroTby the power of unicorns, hutty_
02:18.46hutty_.....
02:18.57hutty_well
02:19.38jmichaelxlol @ neopunk
02:19.56ApetriniHi to all! I have issues with herqq library, sometimes kde4 apps crashes... dolphin, knotify, plasma etc... anybody hit the same bug ? it seems it segfault here " 0x00007fbebf9be684 in Herqq::Upnp::HServiceInfo::eventSubUrl() const () from /usr/lib64/libHUpnp.so.1" ...
02:20.13hutty_your right it wasn't install
02:20.29jmichaelxlikes 'neopunk' much better than 'nepomuk'
02:21.12hutty_well thats what come to mind when i try to spell a word i cant pronounce
02:21.34ApetriniI don't want to disable upnp support in kdelibs, but I have to if I don't find a workaround.
02:21.37jmichaelxhutty_: i have no problem at all with how you typed it
02:21.56hutty_no offence taken
02:22.12ZorroTso assuming someone got kde up and running under squeeze -- is there a graphical package manager available in any common repos?
02:22.46ApetriniI'm on kde-4.7.3 and herqq-1.0.0
02:24.19hutty_decorators installed and working great... thanks for the help
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02:29.27Jucatosorry Apetrini, no experience with herqq (don't even know what that is)
02:29.38JucatoZorroT: try looking for KPackageKit or Apper (renamed KPackageKit)
02:30.08ZorroTi was looking for kpackagekit, adept, kynaptic (am i old? :-) ) and muon...
02:30.10ZorroTno byeno.
02:30.12ZorroTbueno
02:30.20ApetriniJucato: it's a library that manage upnp support in kde. anyway thanks
02:30.23hutty_muon is what I use on kubunu for packages... dont know if that croses over to debian
02:30.25ZorroTwasn't sure if there was a super secret kde repo or something
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02:30.46ZorroTi'm rocking kubuntu on everything production right now
02:30.49Jucatois not familiar with the debian repos or versioning
02:30.51ZorroTand giving debian a try...
02:31.01ZorroTit's a weird duck
02:31.27Jucato(probably a platypus)
02:31.31hutty_you do know that all the *ubuntus are debian based
02:31.32ZorroTi'm thoroughly appreciating the minimalism... but then there's stuff like... no obvious source for a package manager for dum dum users... :-)
02:31.36ZorroTyes
02:31.46ZorroTwhich is why i thought i'd give the mothership a swing
02:31.56hutty_ah
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02:41.16ZorroTcheers all, good luck with whatever :-)
02:41.49setreso, is it possible to configure konsole / shells so that the cursor stays in the bottom left of the window at all times instead of moving to top left when doing clear/ctrl+l?
02:42.30setrei hate having to lift my gaze 2 centimeters all the time
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02:56.52argonelsetre: i just hold down return until the prompt is at the bottom
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03:06.13setreargonel: hah
03:06.32setrethat's hilarious
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03:32.04yggdrasilhow can i get rid of the activities tab on my desktop
03:32.06yggdrasil?
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03:58.12yggdrasilok wtf, i clicked new blank deskto[
03:58.29yggdrasiland now i just want my old non desktop desktop back
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04:17.52yggdrasilanyone in here ?
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04:32.54junkDawgiei am unclear what you actually did yggdrasil, did you change the setting in systemsettings>WorkspaceBehavior?
04:42.31yggdrasilnah i got it
04:42.38yggdrasili just deleted my original desktol
04:42.40yggdrasilp
04:42.59yggdrasiland it made a new one, i didnt realize it, and it didnt automatically add the widget to show my desktop foler
04:43.23yggdrasili think i got it mastered now
04:43.30yggdrasiltheres a learning curve
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04:45.55atomicfusionare there any terminal emulators, other than konsole, that are well integrated into kde?
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04:53.06junkDawgieatomicfusion:  there are a couple term apps that use konsole as a platform, yakuake for example... you can use xterm or others if you wish
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04:55.04JZAhi how can i go to the terminal from kde
04:55.19JZAusually is ctrl alt +2
04:55.29JZA3 4 5 6 7....
04:56.21JZAin kde these shortcuts are disable
04:56.41junkDawgieAlt+F2 will get the krunner launcher in a default install... if you want a terminal.. assign a hotkey to konsole
04:57.33JZAnot a terminal but THE cli
04:57.44JZAlike get me out of X
04:57.56JZAall together
04:58.03junkDawgieCtl + Alt +Fsomething
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04:58.11JZAon a different TTY
04:58.22junkDawgieyes that will do it
04:58.50junkDawgietry Ctl+Alt+F5
04:58.55JZAjunkDawgie something being 1,2,3 so on right?
04:59.02junkDawgieyes
04:59.03JZAah ok
04:59.37JZAdont work? where can i set up that?
04:59.55JZAs/?/!/g
05:00.02Jucato(kde doesn't disable ctrl+alt+F# to go to tty's. it could be a distro setup)
05:00.32junkDawgieit's a xorg thing i believe, jucato?
05:00.36JZAjucato it works before kde starts (on kdm)
05:00.54JucatojunkDawgie: probably
05:01.09junkDawgiegood to see you, btw
05:01.12JZA<PROTECTED>
05:01.30JucatoJZA: don't know then. I mean it might be your distro that disables it. Ctrl+Alt+Fn works here on Fedora KDE, which is mostly KDE without any modification
05:02.00junkDawgiemine too, JZA
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05:02.30JZAok
05:02.46JZAi use mandriva
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05:03.42JZAit works on kdm and on kde splashscreen
05:04.52JZAodd
05:04.53JZAok
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05:27.30JZAso i have been  looking on shortcuts and gesture and cant find this definition
05:28.11JZAanyone has ctrl-alt-F1,2,3...
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05:31.23JZAso i have been  looking on shortcuts and gesture and cant find this definition
05:31.25JZAanyone has ctrl-alt-F1,2,3...
05:32.10JZActrl-alt-f11 gives me a super kompoze like effect
05:33.27JZAactually is ctrl alt f8
05:38.40yggdrasiluh
05:39.06JZAcan u help me?
05:39.23yggdrasilctrl alt f's are switching beetween the virtual terminals
05:39.30yggdrasiland f7 is the xwindows system.
05:40.00JZAwell i dont get that when kde starts
05:40.11JZAthey are disabled
05:40.25JZAi can do that only on kdm
05:40.45JZAi looked on shortcut and gesture and nada
05:41.08yggdrasilwell on mine it switches into the virtual terminals
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05:42.35JZAso where can i find if its blocked or modified
05:42.48yggdrasili have no idea
05:42.52yggdrasilwhat do you want it to do ?
05:42.58yggdrasilwhat distro is it ?
05:43.07JZAmandriva
05:43.19yggdrasilwtf
05:43.22yggdrasilis that still around ?
05:43.43yggdrasilwhat did it used to be called before that ?
05:43.46yggdrasili used to run it
05:44.11yggdrasilmandrake
05:44.12yggdrasilhaha
05:44.13yggdrasildam
05:44.16yggdrasilthat was a while ago
05:45.19JZAso how do i fix that
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05:48.26JZAwell?
05:50.04yggdrasilim just here man
05:50.08yggdrasilrun a better distro
05:50.36yggdrasilwhat do you want to happen when you push those keys ?
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05:56.30yggdrasilfreak
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05:57.50JZAquestion is simple, kde blocks the shortcut, how can i verify that
05:57.52JZAis a kde forum right
05:58.22Sho_can you please state your question clearly and completely again?
05:59.49JZAi cant go to the console when kde starts
05:59.57yggdrasilok
05:59.59yggdrasilthere you go
06:00.09yggdrasilwhen you press ctrl alt f1 what happens ?
06:00.27JZAnothing
06:00.34yggdrasili see
06:00.47yggdrasilhave you tried the other side of the keyboards ctrl alt ?
06:01.33JZAyeah
06:01.50JZAthe only combination that works is
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06:01.55yggdrasilbut you say it works from the .. desktop manager ?
06:01.56JZActrl alt f8
06:02.05yggdrasilshit thats at like a very .. low leve.
06:02.09yggdrasili rememver i found i once
06:02.13yggdrasilits deep in the text..
06:02.18yggdrasilearly in the boot
06:02.25JZAi get a 3d empty desktop
06:02.38yggdrasili was working on trying to get the serail port to be a terminal
06:02.50yggdrasillet me dig it up
06:02.52JZAit works on kdm yes, stop working on kde launch
06:02.54yggdrasilyour distro is screwed
06:02.59yggdrasiloh interesting.
06:03.09yggdrasilwhat if you run gnome ?
06:03.22JZAi dont have gnome
06:03.29yggdrasilinstall it ?
06:03.32yggdrasilor fluxbox
06:03.33JZAno
06:03.34yggdrasilbetter yet
06:03.48yggdrasilwhy are you running mandriva ?
06:03.58JZAcuz i want to
06:04.17JZAare we getting again on a distro war?
06:04.33JZAi just want this to run
06:04.54yggdrasilhmm
06:05.02yggdrasili think you may have a video driver issue ?
06:05.03JZAstop telling me to change my distro
06:05.06yggdrasilwhats the video driver ?
06:05.08JZAwtf
06:05.18yggdrasilwhat vid card ?
06:05.39JZAso video driver works on kdm but not on kde and is a video driver?
06:06.58Sho_JZA: You might want to ask the Mandriva channels, chances that someone there is familiar with their setup are probably greater - afaik KDE is technically incapable of intercepting the tty switch keyboard shortcuts, and KDE also doesn't have anything on Ctrl+Alt+F8 by default, so it must be distro-specific
06:07.37JZAsure it does
06:07.49JZAis a plasma behavior
06:08.16Sho_Again, KDE doesn't have anything on Ctrl+Alt+F8 by default, so it has to be a downstream customization
06:08.43JZAdude i am running composite behaviors
06:08.56JZAi can see my 4 desktops
06:08.58yggdrasilhow about ctrl alt f12 then try it
06:09.08Sho_JZA: Yes, but that is not KDE default
06:09.19yggdrasilit hates us
06:09.20JZAon a 3d cube maner
06:09.20JZAhold on
06:09.23Sho_So again, it has to be a downstream customization
06:09.50yggdrasilwhat does mandrake use for it package manager ?
06:10.12Sho_yggdrasil: rpm
06:10.29JZActrl alt f12 does nothing ctrl alt f11 does a 3d cube
06:10.34yggdrasilthats good
06:10.40yggdrasilhmm
06:11.06JZActrl alt f10 does an application mosaic
06:11.16yggdrasilthats bizzare
06:11.27yggdrasilwhy mandriva ?
06:11.34yggdrasiljust curious
06:11.55Sho_yggdrasil: why not? stop the distro talk
06:11.59yggdrasilok
06:12.04caf4926*might be worth testing a new user login just to see if it isn't crud in kde settings
06:12.13yggdrasilhow old is the install ?
06:12.18yggdrasiland did it ever work ?
06:12.37Sho_JZA: KDE defaults have the cube on Ctrl+F11 and present windows on Ctrl+F10, but not Ctrl+Alt and they shouldn't trigger with Ctrl+Alt
06:12.52Sho_Perhaps your Alt key is broken ;)
06:14.44yggdrasili thought that too
06:14.49yggdrasilbut he said it works from kdm
06:15.00yggdrasilit switches fine into the ttys
06:15.43yggdrasilhow old is the install and has it ever worked ?
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06:19.02yggdrasilhello ?
06:19.25yggdrasilhave you taken your Ritalin ?
06:20.43Sho_yggdrasil: one more of those and you get banned
06:21.16yggdrasiljust hard to help if hes .. not here then comes back and chimes in 10 minutes later.
06:21.53caf4926yggdrasil: did you consider he may be testing something :-))
06:22.13yggdrasili did
06:22.44caf4926yggdrasil: or even visiting the little room :-))
06:22.48yggdrasilhaha
06:22.51yggdrasilthat i hadnt
06:23.00yggdrasiljumped right from testing something to forgot to take meds ;)
06:23.21yggdrasiljza i appologize.
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06:24.15JZAback
06:24.25JZAany luck?
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06:24.48yggdrasili didnt realizse you had left
06:24.51yggdrasilyea i got it.
06:24.59JZAwhat?
06:25.10yggdrasiljk sorry.
06:25.14yggdrasildid you have any luck ?
06:25.20yggdrasilwere you testing something ?
06:25.33JZAno internet goes out
06:25.35yggdrasilahh
06:25.37JZAbut yeah
06:25.41yggdrasiloh?
06:26.04JZActrl f1,2,3,4 switch virtual desktops
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06:26.13JZAin kde
06:26.48JZAbut behaves similar when pushing alt as well
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06:28.06caf4926JZA: did you try a new user?
06:28.23JZAthis is onder desktop configuration - workspace behavior - switching
06:28.46JZAcaf4926 no
06:28.58caf4926JZA: please try
06:29.54JZAok switching
06:30.15JZAsame thing
06:30.46JZAalthough this fixes the black plasma issue
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06:31.19JZAbut i still cant switch to console
06:31.35caf4926JZA: if kde is not behaving as per upstream, then differences must be from your distro. Have you asked in their forum?
06:31.53JZAyeah
06:33.06caf4926and.....
06:33.18JZAsame as here
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06:33.56JZAclueless advices like it is my video card driver
06:34.25caf4926JZA: you mean they say kde shortcuts work as they should for them ?
06:34.33JZAlike a driver switches behavior depending on the software the ciomputer run
06:35.29caf4926JZA: what version of kde and mandriva
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06:36.17yggdrasilhas it ever worked, is this a fresh install
06:36.48caf4926*has it ever worked, - was just on my mind
06:37.25JZAit works fine before kde runs
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06:38.17yggdrasilmaybe try a live cd ?
06:38.34yggdrasilof some other distro just to check it out
06:38.38yggdrasilhave you ran updates ?
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06:39.18caf4926have to run...
06:40.57JZAyes
06:41.05JZAi had run updates
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06:45.14JZAwell?
06:50.03JZAno more ideas?
06:50.10JZAthis sucks
06:50.36JZAnobody can tell me where is the config file for switching to console
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07:16.32vans01Hi. I'm trying dual monitor setup. Everything is ok. But. I want to achieve the behaviour: when I switch workspace(desktop, what's the right term?) the apps on the extra monitor(s) are not switched. Is there an option for it? And if yes, where it is?
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07:30.59skonstanthello everybody
07:31.04skonstantI have a screen issue
07:31.18skonstantI hotplug and unplug a monitor on my laptop
07:31.34skonstantit works fine but KDE places it on the right of the laptop screen
07:31.40skonstantand physically, it is on the left
07:32.04skonstantis there a way to always have it on the left without breaking the hotplug-ability?
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17:22.55FlashDeluxehi i installed the current kubuntu on my notebook and i got  second screen plugged in. Now if i drag a program, e.g. dolphin to the second screen the program is in the background?! Does anybody got a suggestion on it?
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17:53.28cb400fin the panel configuration
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17:55.10DarsVaedathat yellowish thing and then "more settings"?
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18:00.42cb400funlock widgets .. click on cashew in panel.. more settings ... hide automatically
18:01.43DarsVaedai did that except unlock widgets what does that mean?
18:03.32cb400ftry right clicking your desktop and look at the options
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18:04.03DarsVaedaahh okay, is unlocked
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18:04.14DarsVaedabut is not working, seems to be a bug then
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18:04.20DarsVaedathanks :)
18:04.38yggdrasilhow can i get kmail to reply with my message on top and not on the bottom ?
18:04.59macoby typing your message on top?
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18:10.06yggdrasilindeed
18:10.13yggdrasilbut most email client place your cursor at that point
18:10.26yggdrasilnot at the bottom of the message
18:10.39yggdrasilwhere when people receive it they have to scroll thru thier own message
18:10.49yggdrasilbecause im sure they usually know what they wrote
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18:11.40cb400fyggdrasil: edit the templates in the kmail settings
18:11.48macothis is an old holy war :) people using email since the BBS days will prefer to reply to snippets of the original email inline and remove parts to which they are not replying, rather than having out-of-context replies at teh top
18:11.50yggdrasilok ill check it out.
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18:12.03macobut there should be a setting for top-posting if you prefer the microsoft outlook way
18:12.09cb400fsettings -> configure kmail -> composer -> default templates
18:12.27yggdrasilwell its just.. i wont stir the pot.
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18:13.27yggdrasilok that was easy
18:13.28yggdrasilthanks.
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20:11.21FRodrigueshow much can I customize the windows aspect?
20:11.36FRodriguesI dont like the metal look :S
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20:12.33versuchsanstalti have an email in the outbox of kmail 1.13.5 that i can't display or delete. attempting to delete it, status bar says something like "moving the message into the trash was canceled". what can i do?
20:13.23versuchsanstaltlooking into ~/Mail/outbox/*, i don't find any file.
20:14.12cb400flook in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/
20:14.34cb400fare you sure the mail is even local and not some funky imap stuff?
20:14.53versuchsanstaltcb400f: erm, that's where i've looked, sorry to misstate that
20:15.02versuchsanstaltcb400f: yes, smtp
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20:16.34versuchsanstaltis there something like a list of mails to be displayed, or does kmail look for the email files everytime it displays them?
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20:21.53versuchsanstaltremoving ~/Mail/.outbox.index solved my problem.
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20:50.40slurryHi All. Is semantic desktop features functional at any user level. Can I actually use it to do somehting usefull from the command line or elsewhere?
20:52.37aseigocommand line not so much .. but it features in several apps including plasma desktop (and plasma active), dolphin, kontact 2, bangarang, krunner
20:52.47aseigothat one doesn't notice it always is kind of the point as well :)
20:53.50slurryso the search features added to dolphin are partially from semantic desktop features?
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20:54.23cb400falso file metadata.. like image resolutions
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20:55.19slurrylooking forwar to seeing this develop more!
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21:27.07paul424may I see what is the performance increase in the newest 4.7 ?
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21:36.39denysoniqueKonsole could be tabbed like this: http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/rxar35js/Selection_011.png
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22:54.20denysoniquehttp://img7.imagebanana.com/img/lc3ru0lc/Desktop2_013.png my transparent oxygen kde theme
22:54.48ulixesHello. Could someone tell me how to 'disable' one particular akonadi ressource? I want to make some kind of a 'local-folder-maildir-archive', which can be activated in the akonadi ressource manager by need.
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23:27.09p_lhello. In which channel can I pester people with questions about Smoke and using it to build bindings?
23:27.28Guest86611I need some help with KDE can someone help? The window bars are shifted but the window itself is in place.
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23:28.12Jucatop_l: I think #kde-bindings or #kdebindings
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23:28.38p_lthanks
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23:29.00Guest86611Can someone help?
23:29.28Jucatonot sure I understand what you mean by "window bars are shifted"
23:31.04Guest86611The bar on the top which holds the exit and other buttons, and the bar att the bottow are moved ove by about an inch. Other than that KDE runs fine, I've tried Kubuntu and converting ubuntu TO KDE and both have this problem
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23:31.46Guest86611Oh and because of this the exit maximize and minimize buttons are not visible
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23:33.37Jucatohm ... I'm not sure if this will work: press Alt+F2, and type in "kwin --replace" and press Enter. that should "restart" the window manager
23:34.22Guest86611let me see if I can get a picture
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23:52.12wolfy_http://spoobsmyword.com/fuckedup.png <-- this is what i mean
23:52.35wolfy_ill be back soon
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