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| 00:17.39 | dashavoo | can anyone recommend audio cd ripping tools for KDE? Preferably along the lines of sound-juicer, which I used under gnome. |
| 00:17.54 | winut | i heard you can use exact audio copy on wine |
| 00:18.49 | winut | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=22117 |
| 00:18.49 | dashavoo | wow... that makes quite a statement :S |
| 00:19.05 | dashavoo | nothing native that works well, winut? |
| 00:19.09 | winut | but only for ripping. you have the accurate rip database on EAC as well |
| 00:19.18 | winut | so you know if your rip is actually correct |
| 00:19.41 | winut | not sure of a good ripper with this type of functionality on linux |
| 00:20.28 | dashavoo | hmmm, fair enough |
| 00:20.33 | winut | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=ea6e98ec2ba5561759a856f009501a7d&showtopic=49234 |
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| 00:20.46 | winut | on mac you have xld |
| 00:21.52 | mase_work | i just use konq |
| 00:21.55 | mase_work | or dolphin |
| 00:22.08 | mase_work | the audiocd:/ presents ogg/flac folders |
| 00:22.18 | mase_work | and you just drag them to your file system |
| 00:22.50 | mase_work | it possibly does mp3 too however i don't have mp3 codecs installed so i can't confirm |
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| 00:23.45 | dashavoo | mase_work: dolphin just buzzes about for a long time, I tried it before asking. |
| 00:23.58 | winut | http://code.google.com/p/rubyripper/wiki/AccurateRip_Research |
| 00:24.03 | mase_work | ah ok. does the cd it's self have a cdrom logo ? |
| 00:24.09 | winut | rubyripper |
| 00:24.16 | mase_work | my guess is that it has some sort of copy protection on it |
| 00:25.00 | mase_work | so the software would have to be aware of that and do some tricks to deal with that which afaik the default one does not |
| 00:26.33 | winut | dashavoo: what distro you using? |
| 00:28.21 | dashavoo | dashavoo: kubuntu 11.10 |
| 00:28.35 | dashavoo | mase_work: I am starting to wonder if the cd is damaged, I'm going to try another |
| 00:29.12 | mase_work | i think you'll find it's technically not a cd by the standards ( due to copy protection) i have encountered that before |
| 00:29.16 | mase_work | grip might work |
| 00:30.00 | dashavoo | mase_work: you could be right, but I have loads of cds that are technically not cds, and things have always coped |
| 00:30.20 | winut | https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/ruby-ripper |
| 00:30.43 | winut | unless that verison is already in the normal repos |
| 00:31.24 | dashavoo | winut: looks interesting, I'll give it a try, thanks |
| 00:32.14 | winut | no worries, its for the hardcore cd rippers who want a perfect rip :-) |
| 00:32.28 | winut | by the looks of things, my kind of tool :-) |
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| 00:39.09 | dashavoo | well, it has solved the mystery for me |
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| 00:39.25 | dashavoo | according to rubyripper, my computer denies the existence of a cd drive |
| 00:39.56 | dashavoo | although other apps were telling me the cd was there, but then failing to do anything aobut it |
| 00:40.18 | dashavoo | ugh, so much for an early night |
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| 00:47.49 | dashavoo | winut, mase_work: all of that, and all I needed was a reboot :P |
| 00:48.04 | dashavoo | I have some software to try out now though :) |
| 00:48.23 | dashavoo | I need to find a kde favourite to replace sound-juicer, and so far rubyripper looks like a contender |
| 00:48.46 | dashavoo | although getting a secure rip makes it a lot slower business :P |
| 00:48.46 | mase_work | sound juicer no longer works ? |
| 00:48.56 | winut | hehe, cool. give it a go and report back if you can :-) would be interested to hear how good it is! |
| 00:49.16 | dashavoo | mase_work: I don't want to install all of the gnome dependencies, the ubuntu packages at least have made it depend on completely unrelated packages |
| 00:50.45 | dashavoo | When I used gnome as my main DE, I worked hard to use a gtk program over a qt one where I could, until about a year ago when I started preferring QT over GTK for my own development. |
| 00:51.04 | dashavoo | Now I am on KDE, I am avoiding Gnome dependencies, but GTK on its own is fine ;) |
| 00:52.31 | mase_work | each to their own but unless you are short on ram the gnome deps aren't really an issue. it's not really any different to any other type of library. |
| 00:53.27 | mase_work | although non sharing of VFS and keyring is annoying |
| 00:53.53 | dashavoo | mase_work: I think I started doing it years and years ago when kde apps looked so horribly out of place on a gnome desktop |
| 00:54.05 | dashavoo | nowadays you can barely tell what is GTK and what is QT |
| 00:54.09 | mase_work | yeh i remember those days |
| 00:54.37 | mase_work | it's still dissapointing you can tell at all |
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| 00:54.45 | dashavoo | true |
| 00:54.46 | mase_work | but you do have to look hard |
| 00:55.51 | dashavoo | now and then people start whispering about Gnome becoming QT based... I doubt it will ever happen, but I hope if it does the two sets of devs will agree on a common appearance for KDE and Gnome apps |
| 00:57.01 | dashavoo | winut: I think rubyripper is great, as long as you don't think: I'll quickly rip this cd, then go to bed |
| 00:57.16 | winut | :-) lol |
| 00:57.17 | dashavoo | that was the worst decision I made this evening ;) |
| 00:57.34 | winut | yeah, apparently it rips the disc at least twice :-) |
| 00:57.44 | dashavoo | it has been going for 10 minutes now, and it is still on track 2 |
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| 00:57.55 | winut | i have to laugh :-) |
| 00:58.05 | dashavoo | I think I'll have to cancel it, I feel ill enough as it is |
| 00:58.29 | winut | yeah, leave it on overnight or do it tommrow :-) |
| 00:58.52 | dashavoo | I haven't slept well all week, so I was feeling pretty ill the past couple of days, and then I had to top it all off this afternoon by headbutting an open cupboard |
| 00:58.57 | winut | no point in zombifiing yourself to rip a cd :-) |
| 00:59.05 | winut | deliberately? |
| 00:59.21 | winut | i guess not! so instant headache? |
| 00:59.25 | dashavoo | haha, no. The phone rang, I jumped up to get it. |
| 00:59.31 | dashavoo | and yes, instant headache |
| 00:59.38 | winut | damm, annoying |
| 00:59.44 | winut | makes you want to kick a wall :-) |
| 00:59.52 | winut | or punch bricks |
| 01:00.37 | dashavoo | funnily enough, I didn't swear. Usually I swear loudly at the silliest of injuries, but this one hurt so much I couldn't bring myself to say anything. I just clutched my head and groaned. |
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| 01:02.01 | winut | ok, that qualifies for at least 3 days off work now :-) plenty of time to rip the discs hopefully |
| 01:03.55 | dashavoo | winut: haha, I haven't worked for almost two months. I'm moving house tomorrow to go and finish my degree off before the fees become so high it isn't worth getting one |
| 01:04.17 | winut | good idea :-) |
| 01:05.38 | dashavoo | ok, I'm going to sleep |
| 01:05.40 | dashavoo | good night |
| 01:05.53 | dashavoo | thanks for everything |
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| 01:34.00 | winut | np, sleep well :-) |
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| 02:43.41 | RingtailedFox | where can i find a list of KDE's programs? |
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| 02:58.56 | mase_work | RingtailedFox: what do you mean by kde's programs ? |
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| 03:01.09 | RingtailedFox | well, as in the programs that are typically bundled with the KDE suite |
| 03:01.19 | JordiGH | Any idea on where to get started with using Konsole on Windows? We have a project that is using Qt for a terminal, and I heard rumours that Konsole was getting refactored for Windows, which would work well for us. I'd like to help with that project, if it exists. |
| 03:01.22 | RingtailedFox | like Konqueror, AmaroK, Kaffeine, Kword, KColorEdit... |
| 03:01.37 | RingtailedFox | a terminal program on windows? should be very easy to do |
| 03:04.11 | JordiGH | RingtailedFox: In that case, why hasn't anyone done it for Qt? |
| 03:04.30 | mase_work | RingtailedFox: your distros package manager should give you that |
| 03:04.41 | RingtailedFox | mkay |
| 03:04.49 | RingtailedFox | jordi: no time to do it? |
| 03:05.36 | JordiGH | RingtailedFox: Well, we have time for it, but we haven't seen anyone do it. The biggest problem is PTYs. |
| 03:05.50 | mase_work | JordiGH: just because something is easy doesn't mean that anyone can be bothered to do ti |
| 03:06.11 | mase_work | if it's not a problem someone wants to solve, unless someone is paying them to do it , it generally doesn't get done |
| 03:06.12 | JordiGH | I didn't say it was easy. And we can be bothered to do it. Especially if someone else has already started. |
| 03:07.06 | mase_work | well have you tried using konsole on windows ? |
| 03:07.24 | mase_work | ie does it work ,does it not compile ? |
| 03:07.30 | JordiGH | Uh, as far as I know, it was impossible to compile. |
| 03:07.35 | JordiGH | Because of PTYs. |
| 03:07.39 | mase_work | right |
| 03:08.01 | JordiGH | But I heard someone had started to refactor out the PTY code and use a different implementation for Windows. |
| 03:08.14 | JordiGH | I just want to know where to ask more about this or clues to find this alleged person. |
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| 03:22.41 | Zeldas7777 | what distro works the best with kde? |
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| 03:25.38 | RingtailedFox | PTY's? |
| 03:25.45 | RingtailedFox | zeldas: they all seem tow ork well with it |
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| 03:26.07 | RingtailedFox | i've tested KDE on Red Hat 9, Fedora Core 3 through 15, and Mandriva from 2005 to present, and it works well on all... |
| 03:26.21 | RingtailedFox | also tested it on Yellow Dog Linux (PowerPC 64/CELL) on my PS3 when it still could boot linux |
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| 03:30.14 | JordiGH | RingtailedFox: psuedo-ttys. It's how terminals are typically implemented. |
| 03:30.23 | RingtailedFox | nods |
| 03:32.53 | Zeldas7777 | cool |
| 03:35.31 | Zeldas7777 | well i just downloaded fedora, opensuse, and working on mageia |
| 03:36.23 | Zeldas7777 | any suggestions on what to look for in a distro |
| 03:36.35 | JordiGH | Uh. Do you know any yet? |
| 03:36.47 | JordiGH | Or is this your first time installing lunix? |
| 03:37.09 | Zeldas7777 | i run a linux webserver and looking for a good desktop |
| 03:37.53 | Zeldas7777 | i am using Mandriva |
| 03:38.03 | JordiGH | On the server? |
| 03:38.17 | Zeldas7777 | CentOS on server |
| 03:38.34 | Zeldas7777 | my desktop i am on now is Mandriva 2011 |
| 03:38.41 | JordiGH | Oh, so you already know Mandriva, and you want something else? Do you have problems with Mandriva? |
| 03:39.34 | Zeldas7777 | sure do like with customizing the toolbar color and sync and nepomuk |
| 03:39.59 | JordiGH | Uhm. |
| 03:40.01 | JordiGH | Well. |
| 03:40.07 | JordiGH | I recommend Debian. |
| 03:40.20 | JordiGH | Where stable means stable, dammit! |
| 03:40.25 | RingtailedFox | lol |
| 03:40.29 | Zeldas7777 | right |
| 03:40.36 | JordiGH | I'm getting too old to chase software around. |
| 03:40.47 | RingtailedFox | well, debian has a good support base and is well-established... but... i find their approach to package management as a bit non-standard... |
| 03:40.50 | JordiGH | And 2-year release cycles work fo rme. |
| 03:41.21 | RingtailedFox | i don't *hate* debian-based systems (just ubuntu-based ones.. which are just non-standard enough to have some debs work perfectly, and some not work at all, so they need their OWN deb system... fragmentation of formats is bad, mkay?) |
| 03:41.33 | Zeldas7777 | yea me too |
| 03:41.50 | JordiGH | Yeah, we don't do that PPA faggotry in Debian. |
| 03:42.16 | RingtailedFox | debian's huge plus is that it's not backed by a company or corporation, even if it's incorporated for the sole purpose of supporting that distro |
| 03:42.20 | RingtailedFox | though, CentOS is similar.. |
| 03:42.24 | RingtailedFox | what is PPA? |
| 03:42.44 | JordiGH | Personal package archive. |
| 03:42.48 | RingtailedFox | *nods* |
| 03:42.54 | JordiGH | It's where people do all of their half-assed Ubuntu packaging. |
| 03:43.10 | Zeldas7777 | how well does kde work on debian for as ap launch response |
| 03:43.21 | RingtailedFox | RPMs are, to some extent, the same way... some RPMs will not work as well for one RPM-based distro as another... |
| 03:43.33 | JordiGH | The point isn't rpm vs deb. |
| 03:43.48 | JordiGH | The packaging problem isn't a technical problem. |
| 03:43.53 | JordiGH | It's a social problem. |
| 03:44.00 | JordiGH | And it's solved with social norms, not technical features. |
| 03:44.20 | JordiGH | The secret sauce in Debian isn't apt or dpkg. It's Debian policy |
| 03:44.23 | JordiGH | Which says, paraphrased |
| 03:44.30 | JordiGH | "You must be this non-sucky to make it into the repos" |
| 03:44.40 | RingtailedFox | nice |
| 03:44.46 | RingtailedFox | i'd support that |
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| 03:45.14 | Zeldas7777 | rpm works good but the prob is install one ap and the uninstall ap requires removing the desktop |
| 03:45.16 | JordiGH | I like Red Hat and CentOS. They follow similar principles. |
| 03:46.59 | JordiGH | Eh, whatever, I guess it's all a bit theological. |
| 03:47.05 | JordiGH | I like Debian. |
| 03:47.08 | JordiGH | You might not. |
| 03:47.11 | Zeldas7777 | i think with any packager they need solid logic standards |
| 03:47.32 | JordiGH | Despite superficial differences, the packaging formats don't do anything fundamentally different anymore. |
| 03:50.28 | Zeldas7777 | the base of a package is pre-compiled software right |
| 03:51.07 | RingtailedFox | yeah, RPM hell has become a bit of a problem |
| 03:51.16 | RingtailedFox | i think it's because RPM tries to be the ".MSI" of linux.. |
| 03:51.25 | RingtailedFox | and we all know the dependency hell that microsoft has :P |
| 03:52.07 | Zeldas7777 | you know thats right, i am getting tired of windows constant updates every other day |
| 03:52.12 | RingtailedFox | *nods* |
| 03:52.22 | RingtailedFox | i just wonder if apt-get or pacman have those same issues |
| 03:52.47 | RingtailedFox | "in order to install this, 3 dependencies must be installed, 2 must be removed due to conflicts, and one can't be installed due to missing <whatever>" |
| 03:53.24 | Zeldas7777 | i think they should provide options in this type scenario |
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| 03:54.30 | Zeldas7777 | cann't remember but once had to download and compile several app just to install one rpm |
| 03:56.57 | Zeldas7777 | what i hate is the distro upgrade system. they should do it how i did it like upgrading CentOS 4.x to 5.x without formating and doing it live |
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| 03:59.06 | JordiGH | RingtailedFox: You can have deb hell too. I'm witnessing it right now in another channel. |
| 03:59.20 | RingtailedFox | oh? |
| 03:59.22 | JordiGH | The problem isn't the format. It's, "let's go and install software from all over the world, all at once." |
| 03:59.27 | RingtailedFox | is it as bad as RPM hell? |
| 03:59.45 | RingtailedFox | *nods* |
| 04:00.09 | JordiGH | Eh, not in this particular case, it's not as bad. Just something won't install. Because the packager fucked up. |
| 04:00.27 | JordiGH | If you persist trying to make this uninstallable thing install, it may get hairy, yes. |
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| 04:01.12 | Zeldas7777 | well you start getting lots of errors but when everything reboots all the errors goes away |
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| 04:07.03 | Zeldas7777 | what u think abount mint |
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| 04:09.39 | JordiGH | doesn't like Ubuntu, doesn't think you should attempt to polish turds. |
| 04:09.45 | JordiGH | But that's just me. |
| 04:09.50 | JordiGH | Maybe it will work for you. |
| 04:10.22 | Zeldas7777 | mint not for me ubuntu fork |
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| 04:15.35 | Zeldas7777 | wow u get full cd/dvd sets with debian |
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| 04:18.08 | Zeldas7777 | what is kfreebsd version of debian |
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| 04:20.07 | Verge | You might want to consider #debian |
| 04:20.27 | Verge | kFreeBSd is a Debian distribution that uses the FreeBSD kernel instead of Linux |
| 04:20.40 | Zeldas7777 | just read it thank you |
| 04:21.02 | Zeldas7777 | i386 would be the debian version right |
| 04:22.12 | JordiGH | Sure. |
| 04:22.12 | Verge | It means the targeted processor architecture |
| 04:22.14 | JordiGH | Or amd64. |
| 04:22.18 | JordiGH | Those are the popular ones. |
| 04:22.24 | JordiGH | kfreebsd if you're a huge nerd. |
| 04:22.31 | JordiGH | is only a moderately-sized nerd. |
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| 04:23.24 | Zeldas7777 | would i386 work on i686 or should i get multi |
| 04:23.44 | Verge | Multi only means it bundles i386 and x86-64 |
| 04:24.19 | JordiGH | i386 is just the traditional name for it |
| 04:24.30 | JordiGH | It means "32-bit intel-like". |
| 04:24.30 | Verge | Basically no |
| 04:24.39 | Verge | i386 is slower than i686 |
| 04:24.50 | Zeldas7777 | thank you, just the type system i have |
| 04:25.01 | JordiGH | It's not really a 386 processor. |
| 04:25.06 | JordiGH | From the 80's. |
| 04:25.17 | Verge | A distro optimized for i686 doesn't run on 386 CPUs |
| 04:25.20 | JordiGH | With leg warmers and Michael Jackson. |
| 04:25.27 | Zeldas7777 | lol |
| 04:25.35 | RingtailedFox | let me guess: it will rely on the subtle differences and extensions that 386 cpus don't have? |
| 04:25.55 | Verge | Something like that |
| 04:26.36 | Verge | Just like x86-64 is backwards compatible with 386 but not vice versa |
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| 04:27.59 | Zeldas7777 | brb |
| 04:28.48 | Zeldas7777 | do i need all 8 dvd's |
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| 04:30.41 | RingtailedFox | i think the other DVDs are just extras like openoffice |
| 04:32.05 | Zeldas7777 | i noticed that when downloading file others are downloading the same file from me |
| 04:32.38 | Verge | That's just not going to happen unless you use torrents |
| 04:32.47 | Verge | And then you shouldn't be surprised |
| 04:33.20 | Zeldas7777 | just tried the ktorrant |
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| 04:36.06 | JordiGH | Zeldas7777: share and share-alike ;-) |
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| 04:37.20 | Zeldas7777 | just figured it out downloading file from like 20 dif people and the upload is just communication for the file down loading |
| 04:38.32 | Verge | Never heard of P2P? |
| 04:39.20 | Zeldas7777 | i heard of it before my friend uses it all the time just i never had to use it |
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| 04:40.13 | Zeldas7777 | 3 mb download is pretty fast |
| 04:43.34 | JordiGH | Zeldas7777: It's fast because everyone is downloading from you as you download from them. |
| 04:43.36 | JordiGH | Everyone wins! |
| 04:43.45 | JordiGH | Bittorrent is communism. |
| 04:44.10 | RingtailedFox | it's a circle-jerk of win :D |
| 04:44.22 | JordiGH | I prefer the term "communism". |
| 04:44.25 | Zeldas7777 | well no one is downloading from me just looked at current uploads |
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| 04:45.49 | Zeldas7777 | unlimited up/down speed i know this has an affect on speed |
| 04:46.20 | Zeldas7777 | my friend used to open his up to get stuff allot faster |
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| 05:11.04 | Zeldas7777 | what does found and fail mean on ktorrant |
| 05:13.13 | JordiGH | Uhm, where are you seeing that? I can't recall that. |
| 05:13.44 | Zeldas7777 | when you right click the file and do a check on it |
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| 06:14.25 | Lazareno | Good morning |
| 06:14.42 | Zeldas7777 | Good morning |
| 06:14.59 | Lazareno | Is it possible to configure kde to change the cpu governor on the different profile settings? |
| 06:16.56 | Zeldas7777 | as in 1 would get 25% and the other would get 75% |
| 06:17.22 | Verge | what |
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| 06:17.40 | Verge | I think he's talking about under/overclocking management |
| 06:18.03 | Verge | Whatever is possible with KDE is available in the power settings |
| 06:18.05 | Zeldas7777 | he wants to know if cpu usage can be allocated |
| 06:19.14 | Lazareno | no, just downscaled to save energy |
| 06:19.47 | Verge | Ondemand governor works for everything imo |
| 06:19.50 | Lazareno | because the governor cycling thru the different profiles keeps being cpufreq_ondemand |
| 06:20.47 | Lazareno | Yes, I've seen a thread talking about how it was removed |
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| 06:45.38 | Zeldas7777 | ok i am back |
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| 09:29.41 | dziadu | hello |
| 09:29.52 | Zeldas7777 | hello |
| 09:29.55 | dziadu | my problem is stupid, strange and whatever you call it |
| 09:30.17 | Zeldas7777 | ok and what seems to be the problem |
| 09:30.23 | dziadu | when you run some app, like amarok then I have program icon jumping next to the cursor |
| 09:30.40 | Zeldas7777 | that is normal |
| 09:30.43 | dziadu | it is jumping as long as app is loading |
| 09:30.51 | Zeldas7777 | ok |
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| 09:30.58 | dziadu | yes, but it is not normal, that tjis jumoing icons stay forever |
| 09:31.18 | dziadu | amarok is working, fine, but icon is still jumping |
| 09:31.27 | dziadu | I closed amarok. icon is still jumping |
| 09:31.35 | dziadu | before it happens to me when I wash running Opera |
| 09:31.48 | Zeldas7777 | just change the busy icon for mouse and it should stop |
| 09:31.52 | dziadu | I was trying to restart plasma (but obviously, it doesn't matter), kwin |
| 09:32.10 | dziadu | I was trying to change cursor theme in system settings |
| 09:32.14 | dziadu | it didn't help |
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| 09:32.53 | nardev | i have a question |
| 09:33.10 | Zeldas7777 | wow busy this morning |
| 09:33.30 | pinotree | dziadu: notification feedback, jumping cursor |
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| 09:33.46 | nardev | is it possible to have list-view of my desktop files/icons > like this > http://lh4.ggpht.com/_B0CuCDv4i18/SckLBmN4HHI/AAAAAAAABAI/bBcx51pLCo8/desktop-list[11].png |
| 09:34.55 | Zeldas7777 | yes u can |
| 09:34.58 | dziadu | pinotree: you mean that I have notification message? |
| 09:35.08 | pinotree | no |
| 09:35.44 | Zeldas7777 | open desktop configuration and open notification |
| 09:35.46 | pinotree | system settings → startup feedback |
| 09:35.56 | pinotree | Zeldas7777: no |
| 09:35.56 | Zeldas7777 | or that |
| 09:36.57 | dziadu | pinotree: ok, I switched off and on again, and problem is gone |
| 09:37.01 | dziadu | pinotree: thx |
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| 09:37.33 | Zeldas7777 | sorry my bad |
| 09:39.58 | Zeldas7777 | well sorry be back tonight |
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| 11:26.10 | annma | if so, where? |
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| 11:45.38 | msgoudy | what a good chat tool |
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| 11:48.58 | tuxick | my kmix icon went missing, kmix running but no way to access it, how to fix? |
| 11:49.39 | tuxick | tried --keepvisibility but no luck |
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| 11:50.10 | wodim | hi, what's virtuoso-t and why is it using 172% CPU |
| 11:51.03 | tuxick | wasn't that related to nepomuck? |
| 11:51.27 | wodim | dunno |
| 11:51.34 | wodim | i just don't know what it is |
| 11:51.49 | wodim | if it was something i know, it's ok, it can waste my cpu |
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| 11:51.56 | tuxick | :) |
| 11:52.00 | wodim | but if i don't know what it is, it hurts. |
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| 12:08.09 | hakan | hello |
| 12:08.10 | hakan | http://hakan.unlembilisim.com/yukle/d/90_ss5.png |
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| 12:36.59 | souledge | hey all. can someone give a pointer concerning ktorrent? |
| 12:37.18 | pinotree | "don't ask to ask, just ask" |
| 12:37.52 | souledge | :) i don't understand the score column at the peer list display |
| 12:38.47 | souledge | the higher the more chances for a seed slot to be used...but how is it calculated |
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| 12:58.33 | vip | Hi there |
| 12:58.58 | vip | how I can debug kmail2's migrator? |
| 12:59.35 | vip | because it didn't work for me |
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| 13:08.59 | mad | I am using clusterssh which opens many xterms for many machines and allows sending commands to all of them. Nifty too. But I wonder: is it possible to define with kwin that all windows should be brought to foreground, when the control window gets activate? I know the xterm can be identified by 'CSSH: .*' regex and the control window has a certain class. Is this possible? |
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| 14:57.27 | brot | pavi_out_: this weekend we will migrate from postgresql 9.0 to 9.1, so the quasselcore will have some downtime |
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| 15:09.47 | gryzli | Hello, someone knows a way for sending INPUT to an active window (without xdotool) ? |
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| 16:33.51 | dtcrshr | I get this error, everytime i call an app from the terminal: error /tmp/something is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0 |
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| 16:42.46 | dtcrshr | how do i alternate between the desktops in kde? in gnome its shift + alt + arrow keys |
| 16:43.21 | mefistofeles | dtcrshr: you can set the shortcuts, not sure if there's one by default |
| 16:43.40 | dtcrshr | hmm.. ill search for that |
| 16:43.45 | dtcrshr | is it in system settings? |
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| 16:45.07 | cb400f | dtcrshr: ctrl+f2, ctrl+f3 etc. is the default |
| 16:45.33 | cb400f | always configures ctrl+tab -> "next virtual desktop" |
| 16:45.54 | cb400f | it's in systemsettings -> shortcuts and gestures -> global shortcuts -> kwin combobox |
| 16:46.14 | cb400f | or ctrl+f8 for the desktop grid |
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| 16:48.28 | dtcrshr | thanks |
| 16:48.39 | dtcrshr | well, the f8 didnt worked |
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| 16:49.28 | dtcrshr | another usefull think i used was to "drag the current" app to the other desktop, by ctrl + shift + alt + arrow |
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| 16:55.05 | gonssal | hi all. |
| 16:55.39 | gonssal | anyone knows if it's possible to get qt-webkit working inside Dolphin and if it's documented somewhere? |
| 16:55.59 | gonssal | kde 4.6 |
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| 16:57.24 | annma | for doing what? |
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| 17:06.33 | gonssal | annma: to browse websites inside dolphin |
| 17:07.30 | pinotree | you have konqueror for that |
| 17:07.45 | pinotree | dolphin is only a file manager |
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| 17:08.09 | gonssal | yep it's what i'm using |
| 17:08.23 | gonssal | dolphin a bit better as a file manager so just wondered if it was possible |
| 17:08.45 | gonssal | googled, didn't see a way to do it |
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| 17:09.19 | cb400f | there's a lot of stuff missing in dolphin... man page viewer too ;-) |
| 17:10.26 | gonssal | shouldn't it be easy to allow qt-webkit part into it? |
| 17:10.45 | pinotree | easy as using konqueror |
| 17:11.37 | gonssal | the main issue i have with konqueror (which i love) is the continuous crashed using webkit engine, and the slowliness using khtml |
| 17:11.39 | cb400f | is konq "safe" for kde5 too? |
| 17:11.44 | gonssal | other than that, was just a question |
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| 17:20.10 | RalfJ | the only thing I am using konqueror for is man-page viewer...^^ |
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| 18:32.50 | elepage | Hi, I want to quit (close) a daemon over dbus, but everytime I close it using a KDE frontend, it open again with another PID, I use exit(0) the line after I call the closing function. The GTK client dont, so its Qt/KDE fault. Why would Qt/KDE re-register the service after I call close()? I also tried Q_NOREPLY |
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| 18:34.52 | ompaul | because it is a daemon which one and on what platform |
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| 18:37.52 | elepage | ompaul: a SIP backend on Linux. the daemon itself can be closed correctly, the problem is not there |
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| 18:45.31 | jack_guru | hello, i am using kde 4.7 with an intel hd 3000 graphics card. When i connect an external monitor it almost never works as it should. is it related to the intel+kde or bad drivers? is there a fix? thanks |
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| 18:46.24 | saati | jack_guru: multiple monitors are handled by X11 i think |
| 18:46.48 | saati | it's unlikely that kde has to do anything with your problem |
| 18:47.48 | jack_guru | saati: yeah but i remember there was an issue with kde 4.4 or 4.5 and above when using intel or ati cards. I have not used intel since then so i was wondering if it is fixed now |
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| 18:56.46 | gunksta | Any tips for using KMail 4.7 with GMail. I've got the IMAP connection working correctly, but it is slow to open emails (compared to Thunderbird / Web Client) and I am noticing spikes in my CPU Usage relating to akonadi's IMAP connection. |
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| 19:17.18 | dyrvere | gunksta: Sorry, I see no slowness using Kmail 4.7 with gmail currently. Don't know what to tell ya. Clean user? |
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| 19:17.46 | gunksta | yes |
| 19:17.50 | kollapse | Hi. How do I fully and completely disable Nepomuk and Akonadi ? |
| 19:18.15 | kollapse | Disabling them from systemsettings doesn't help. They still pop up akonadi_agent_launcher instances. |
| 19:18.20 | kollapse | And a lot of others |
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| 19:19.04 | dyrvere | kollapse: I'm gonna check what is the easiest way to do that. a sec. |
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| 19:21.46 | dyrvere | kollapse: Not really recommended to disable all of it tho' |
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| 19:23.05 | dyrvere | some autostart files in /usr/share/autostart/ and /.kde4/share/autostart not sure if they will be recreated if moved away from there. |
| 19:23.19 | kollapse | dyrvere: Well I don't need any of it. It's using resources uselessly. I don't need file indexing, I already have everything indexed in my brain. Nepomuk and/or akonadi seem to cause KDE to stall on startup sometimes and thus I hate to remove everything pertaining to them from .kde4 |
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| 19:26.55 | dyrvere | Yeah, hopefully it will be much more a choice once KDE is a framework, I mean it's a nice feature for PC's at work places that have lots of resources. :p |
| 19:28.11 | dyrvere | kollapse: Is it still running agents after reboot? |
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| 19:28.40 | kollapse | dyrvere: Of course. And not just a couple of agents. This is just ridiculous - http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/akonadi.jpg |
| 19:30.20 | dyrvere | WHOA! Holy magnitude of akonadi-agents batman! |
| 19:30.44 | dyrvere | kollapse: Are you using mysql for anything? |
| 19:31.20 | kollapse | dyrvere: Yes, but not now ! |
| 19:31.28 | kollapse | As in, it's turned off via init script. :) |
| 19:31.33 | kollapse | That mysld is used by akonadi |
| 19:32.13 | dyrvere | scratches head at akonadi |
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| 19:33.01 | dyrvere | I would suggest it needs a fresh-user-test here |
| 19:33.25 | kollapse | dyrvere: I gave that a thought. I've been using this .kde4 profile since kde 4.4 |
| 19:33.28 | kollapse | Is that a problem ? |
| 19:33.30 | kollapse | Shouldn't be ... |
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| 19:34.10 | dyrvere | Well, not really, but some things do get messed up. Ever since I reainstalled Arch as 64-bit with a new user it has been fine and dandy. :p |
| 19:36.03 | dyrvere | before that I had a shock full .xsession-errors log about KDE-software with strange inconsistencies in kmail etc and now, so who knows? |
| 19:37.36 | dyrvere | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.40 | kollapse | I'd do that too, but it's a heavily configured and personalized profile, you know how it is. |
| 19:41.55 | dyrvere | Yes, I felt the same before :D thankfully some things were easy, like exporting kwallet, just wish mail kopete accounts and all that was as easy... |
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| 19:45.48 | dyrvere | what is this akonadi_kabc_resource now? :p |
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| 19:52.53 | dyrvere | Hm, System Settings>Personal Information is also keeping track of akonadi-resources for you btw. |
| 19:54.12 | kollapse | dyrvere: Hmm, nice one, never noticed that. |
| 19:54.32 | dyrvere | kollapse: How about the Akonadi-bricktool or whatever it would translate to from swedish? |
| 19:54.38 | dyrvere | brik |
| 19:54.56 | dyrvere | akonadi-server running |
| 19:55.24 | dyrvere | no idea what would happen if I got rid of instances in there LOL |
| 19:55.24 | kollapse | Hmm, removing agents from Personal Information seems to have closed a couple of those pesky processes. |
| 19:55.41 | dyrvere | Removing? did you backup? |
| 19:55.46 | kollapse | Well I often force closed all nepomuk* and akonadi* processes. Nothing happened. |
| 19:56.27 | dyrvere | Well there is a akonadi-server in the akonadi *tool I find when I ALT+F2 and type in akonadi, there I can turn it all off it seems. |
| 19:56.52 | kollapse | I don't use PIM really, I'm not that old or busy yet. :) |
| 19:56.56 | dyrvere | hehe |
| 19:57.32 | dyrvere | yeah well, don't touch the akonadi_mail then |
| 19:57.53 | kollapse | Woah, jackpot, that akonadi utility you said just closed all akonadi agents when I selected `Close Akonadi` heh. |
| 19:57.57 | dyrvere | :D |
| 19:58.13 | kollapse | Nepomuk still active though. |
| 19:58.30 | kollapse | Not any more - the magic of `kill -9` |
| 19:59.03 | dyrvere | well then, hehe, did you gain alot of resorces now? |
| 19:59.25 | dyrvere | what was the utility called btw? |
| 19:59.33 | dyrvere | in a not swedish lang :p |
| 19:59.45 | kollapse | akonaditray |
| 19:59.59 | dyrvere | shrugs at translators |
| 20:00.15 | kollapse | Now knotify has CPU on 50%. It's a madhouse in here. |
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| 20:00.56 | dyrvere | Hm. Madness. |
| 20:01.12 | dyrvere | get errors in .Xsession-errors? |
| 20:01.49 | kollapse | Oh dear God |
| 20:01.57 | kollapse | .xsession-errors = 44.1 GB |
| 20:02.03 | kollapse | <:-O |
| 20:02.08 | dyrvere | o.O |
| 20:02.24 | kollapse | 45.1 |
| 20:02.26 | kollapse | It's growing |
| 20:02.28 | kollapse | Like a cancerous tumour. |
| 20:03.10 | dyrvere | Alt+F2 kdedebugdialog and turn it all off then. |
| 20:03.34 | dyrvere | so you won't run out of space LOL |
| 20:03.52 | dyrvere | a tick near the bottom |
| 20:04.20 | kollapse | Aha, so that's why knotify4 was using up CPU - http://pastie.org/2581060 |
| 20:04.26 | kollapse | It get a billion of those errors. |
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| 20:09.20 | kollapse | No more xsession-errors file but I see disk space still falling. |
| 20:09.29 | kollapse | Any other debug file ? |
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| 20:12.54 | dyrvere | not that I know of, sorry. :p I think I see why it is not recommended. |
| 20:13.19 | dyrvere | I'm gonna kill nepomuk/strigi etc and akonadi and see what gives. |
| 20:14.44 | kollapse | Somewhere on my /home I have a hideously huge file (about 50gb I reckon) and I can't find it. |
| 20:14.54 | kollapse | Generated by knotify4 |
| 20:15.04 | kollapse | Just until I force killed it. |
| 20:15.10 | dyrvere | filelight not helping? |
| 20:16.06 | kollapse | It may just be xsession-errors even though I deleted it. It seems disk space remained the same after deletion. |
| 20:16.23 | dyrvere | heh, reboot and see it in action :p |
| 20:17.00 | dyrvere | I get no unwanted CPU-usage after disabling most stuff. |
| 20:17.07 | kollapse | That sounds so windowsy - "Updates have been installed. You can now restart your computer". |
| 20:17.12 | dyrvere | Was it after killing nepomuk-things? |
| 20:17.15 | kollapse | Yes. |
| 20:18.30 | dyrvere | well I can live with eating 17MB of my 4GB memory :p |
| 20:19.03 | kollapse | It was just principle, why have something I don't need ? Not really the freedom they advocate. |
| 20:19.09 | dyrvere | makes me curious what system setup the devs of Nepomuk/Strigi/akonadi run on. LOL |
| 20:19.57 | dyrvere | because it sure as heck isn't running great on a 1GB system... |
| 20:20.18 | dyrvere | unless you disable strigi/virtuoso etc |
| 20:20.32 | kollapse | Well I just installed KDE 4.7.0 earlier today on someone's 1 GB system. It was actually very smooth out of the box. |
| 20:20.52 | dyrvere | yeah well, until he adds files and it starts indexing :p |
| 20:21.07 | kollapse | Same thing as with Windows 7 |
| 20:21.11 | dyrvere | Hah, true. |
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| 20:23.15 | dyrvere | Now. Still eating mem for ya there? |
| 20:23.15 | kollapse | According to filelight I should have 108.9 GB free. But no, I have only 32 GB free as it says in df and kdf. |
| 20:23.25 | kollapse | So... where have 70 gb just disappeared ?? |
| 20:23.45 | kollapse | Maybe a delayed flush to disk on ext4's behalf ? |
| 20:24.36 | dyrvere | well is there a flush in your running processes? |
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| 20:24.46 | kollapse | How do I check ? |
| 20:25.00 | kollapse | I don't think it flushed when I removed xsession-errors |
| 20:25.05 | dyrvere | same you screenshot with akonadi-agents |
| 20:26.34 | kollapse | This is just insane. I have no idea what happened, maybe a glitch... I'm just going to reboot, be back in a bit. |
| 20:26.57 | dyrvere | see ya in a flash then |
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| 20:32.06 | dyrvere | hrm |
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| 21:01.38 | dyrvere | hm, after stopping nepomuk/strigi/akonadi and then restarting all I get google mail errors.. |
| 21:01.45 | dyrvere | Google Mail: Select failed, server replied: A000213 NO Unknown Mailbox: ( now in authenticated state ) ( Failure ) [ NONEXISTENT Gmail |
| 21:02.05 | maco | could be unrelated. my gmail was erroring out for a bit earlier today |
| 21:02.15 | maco | both on the web ui and on my phone |
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| 21:05.51 | dyrvere | hm, it wasn't before the re-launch.. well can give it time and see what it does. |
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| 21:59.14 | dknight | I have the following errors in kdm.log and my kdm spash does not appear. Only the login dialog appears on a black background. |
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| 22:21.27 | dyrvere | dknight: you forgot to supply the logfile? |
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| 22:22.56 | dknight | dyrvere: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124826 |
| 22:25.02 | dknight | dyrvere: I have also checked that dbus is started before kdm |
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| 22:28.27 | dyrvere | dknight: Is dbus started before network(manager) as well? |
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| 22:32.12 | dknight | dyrvere: I dont have network manager |
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| 22:35.10 | dyrvere | ok, so not even a network daemon then? |
| 22:37.11 | dknight | dyrvere: no |
| 22:39.29 | ads | well, I'm still looking for a way to extract all links from a website displayed in konqueror using a script language. |
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