IRC log for #kde on 20110801

00:00.46diegoviolaszal: i deleted my .kde4 .local and Desktop dirs
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00:00.59diegoviolaszal: it's clean install, it doesn't work
00:01.46szaldiegoviola: also, define 'stopped working'
00:02.10diegoviolai try to add the pager plasmoid to my taskbar or desktop and i don't see it there
00:03.28diegoviolanothing happens when i add it
00:04.03szalhas yet to see a setup where there is none by default
00:04.41diegoviolawell i have none by default
00:04.58szalscreenshot please
00:05.26diegoviolaok 1sec
00:07.45diegoviolahttp://ompldr.org/vOXBpZg
00:08.51szaltoo barebones for my taste ;)
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00:09.43diegoviolayeah i don't need much on my desktop
00:09.48diegoviolai'm always in either firefox or konsole
00:10.13diegoviolawhy i don't have pager in 4.7?
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00:12.02diegoviolaszal: show me screenshot of your desktop
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00:12.33szalis still on 4.6.5 and will upgrade next month w/ 4.7.1
00:12.50diegoviolaok
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00:14.11szalbut nonetheless -> http://www.abload.de/img/20110801_fullscreenhuwm.png
00:15.35diegoviolanice
00:15.39diegoviolai have most of these programs also
00:15.40diegoviolavlc
00:16.26szalput some launchers and a number of info widgets on the panel
00:16.36diegoviolaok
00:16.49szalbut the desktop itself belongs clean, so no FolderView or something ^^
00:17.01diegoviolai use krunner for launcher, but sometimes that feels slow to me
00:17.33diegoviolasure
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00:18.28diegoviolaszal: thanks for the tip
00:19.06szalyou can drag-and-drop the launchers from the menu
00:19.44diegoviolaty
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00:25.04sputnickanyone knows how can I hide/show the desktop with ctrl+alt+d ?
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00:25.48szalsputnick: tried to assign that as a keyboard shortcut to the Show Desktop widget?
00:25.52diegoviolasputnick: right click in your taskbar, unlock widgets
00:26.12diegoviolasputnick: panel options -> add widget -> add show desktop widget
00:26.34diegoviolasputnick: right click in show desktop widget -> show desktop settings
00:26.42arkaschabart_: I have the impression digikam supports maybe face detection but not face recognition.
00:26.49sputnickI have already this plasma item
00:26.52arkaschabart_: what good is that for ?
00:27.01diegoviolasputnick: press on keyboard shortcuts and add ctrl+alt+d as shortcut
00:27.08sputnickcan I have the same in CLI ?
00:27.36szalsputnick: what good would that be in CLI?  there's no desktop there, is there?
00:27.38sputnickI mean I don't want any icon
00:28.27sputnickszal: maybe c++ code playing around "NETRootInfo.setShowingDesktop"
00:29.02szalsmells a case for a feature request -> make Show Desktop widget hideable.. only problem I could imagine: how to show the widget again if you want to?
00:29.07sputnickhow can I find showdesktop source ?
00:29.32sputnickszal: better create a dbus entry
00:29.42sputnickthat not exists AMHO
00:29.52sputnickIMHO
00:30.48sputnickqdbus can change the desktop to another, but no method to toggle
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00:40.24icewindkwin wont use the nvidia driver for me
00:40.48icewindwhen I start it from konsole it says it's uses the llvm driver
00:41.06icewindI've tried a clean kwinrc and I can verify the nvidia driver is loaded and working
00:45.32kbroulikhm, no luck with migrating my mails to kdepim2 :(
00:46.20kbroulikso, my experience from plasma tells me: never let any system service handle your sensible data :)
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01:36.00diagnosissimple question for you guys: is there any way i can see my "harddrive names" in dolphin on the left side? currently it says :193gb harddrive", but i named the partition as "data"
01:36.05diagnosissame for the other partitions
01:36.31diagnosisit even shows up as "data" and stuff on the desktop, but not in dolphin
01:37.48diagnosisi hope that this is not distro related.
01:39.55|Slacker|i can see the name of my harddrives and flash drives when I plug them on
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02:04.23szaldiagnosis: if these "names" are proper filesystem labels, they will show
02:05.49szaldiagnosis: http://www.abload.de/img/20110801_dolphin0ume.png
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02:16.03N9NUwhats everyones favorite backup progrms
02:16.06N9NUgram
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02:19.06szalnot a KDE question, ask your distro folks
02:20.05N9NUsure it is
02:22.03szalhow is it?
02:22.46N9NUwhat do you use for backing up your system via KDE
02:23.39szalnothing
02:24.08N9NUi see
02:24.25szaland if I need to back up stuff, I either tar it or use the CLI backup tool that comes w/ SystemRescueCd, forgot the name
02:27.02N9NUsounds okay to me
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04:59.30Kalidarnhi, im having a problem with konsole (using weechat) where the status bar gets eaten up
04:59.36Kalidarnlike in http://i.imgur.com/rBHEh.png
04:59.48Kalidarni doubt it's a weechat bug cos it doesn't happen in any other terminals other than konsole
04:59.57Kalidarn(gnome, lxde terminal, iterm etc)
05:00.25Kalidarnim wondering how i might find out what is causing it so i can open a bug
05:00.36Kalidarnseems to happen when i have multiple channels open in weechat
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05:20.03hanibanahi, how to turn off bouncing icons in "task bar"? I've done it for bouncing cursor at System Settings -> App. and Sys. Notifications....
05:24.43spectralhanibana: system settings->application and system notifications->launch feedback  and turn off taskbar notification
05:25.16Kalidarnhmm i guess nobody  knows the answer to my konsole question
05:26.46spectralKalidarn: if it doesn't happen in any other terminal then i would say it's a bug, so report it to bugs.kde.org
05:27.00Kalidarnya thats what im thinking
05:27.56spectrali've seen similar behaviour in other applications in konsole, but i always thought it was the application. but as it turns out it isn't.. so that's a confirmed bug :)
05:28.20Kalidarnyup
05:34.58hanibanaspectral: oh thanks!
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05:36.07spectralhanibana: you're most welcome =)
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05:51.31eddybok, there's a nasty lil bug
05:51.57eddybevents/notification sounds are played X times, where X is the number of monitors :|
05:52.45eddybalso, how can I disable these notifications:
05:52.48eddybNepomuk Indexing Agents Have Been Disabled
05:52.49eddybThe Nepomuk service is not available or fully operational and attempts to rectify this have failed. Therefore indexing of all data stored in the Akonadi PIM service has been disabled, which will severely limit the capabil…
05:53.12eddybI don't need to be reminded I stopped nepomuk because it was slowing stuff down...
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08:30.18ZaisterI'm wondering why do my KDE apps, when bringing up the printing dialog, not show the default printer as selected? I have two printers configured, and it's always the second one that is selected in the dropdown
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08:59.27Vladimiroffhm...it seems like svn support in dolphin is quite buggy(4.7)
09:00.05Vladimiroffsometimes show the indicators if file/folder is new,updated, delete or not. but sometimes just doesn't.
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09:11.10soeehi, if i want to create translation for plasmoid, how should i edit/create .qm files ?
09:11.20pinotreeno
09:11.53pinotreekde applications use gettext (so .po files), not the qt translation system
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09:49.07sxehi, is it possible to disable the focus highlight in oxygen theme but only for the big elements like dolphin main window and NOT normal buttons?
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11:22.25_spm_DragetIf you reboot and there is a running console on a different fb and I want to shutdown the PC, KDE asks if I am sure and waits for my answer. But it does this after plasma had done some unloading - usually more than ~5 seconds after I pressed shutdown. It happened to me more than once that I went away from the PC - expecting it to shut down - only to find it hours later still running.
11:22.34_spm_DragetCan't we add some coutdown there and shutdown ayways?
11:23.08_spm_DragetEven a 5 minute countdown would be okay with me, since it is better than having the PC running 7-8 hours without knowing
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11:29.06kdepepoOf course you can add it.
11:35.26_spm_DragetCan I add it without patching libplase/kdelibs? :P
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12:32.18sxecan someone give me a link, where i can lern how to use kdebindings-perl
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12:39.40ErkiDerLoonyHi guys.
12:40.45JLPsxe: i could only find this page → http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Languages/Perl
12:41.00ErkiDerLoonySince the latest upgrade to 4.7 every time I open KMail I get the error "failed to request resource ..." and KMail crashes with a "fatal error". How shall I access my mail, seriously!
12:41.11sxeJLP: thx, i'm on the exact same page currently :)
12:41.42sxeJLP: but that example does not work after installing the necessary bindings ..
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12:41.57ErkiDerLoonySorry for the rant, but this really drives me crazy!
12:42.37ErkiDerLoonyI already deleted everyting akonadi, nepomuk, strigi and mail related from my ~/.kde4 folder but nothing works!
12:43.48sxeErkiDerLoony: maybe this helps: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=90366
12:44.09sxeakonadi saves its data in .config/akonadi when i remeber correctly
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13:05.47sxeJLP: FYI http://code.google.com/p/perlqt4/source/browse/trunk/PerlQt4/examples/tutorial/
13:06.08sxehere are exaples but they are outdated, the perl modules have now other names
13:06.39sxebut  after changing them it works fine :)
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13:13.27ErkiDerLoonysxe: Thanks, that helps a little. Now only the resource migrator shows up every time I start KMail.
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13:13.34ErkiDerLoonyHow do I get rid of that ting?
13:13.54ErkiDerLoonyIt says that for some cryptic bridge ressource there is no standard ressource available.
13:14.00sxei don't use kmail by myselfe
13:14.33sxei would suggest to search for the exact message with google
13:14.47sxewhat is the exact message?
13:15.56ErkiDerLoonyIt is "Die Brückenressource „ad0igbGW3C“ besitzt keine Standardressource". I don’t know how to translate that exactly into English. ;)
13:16.27sxei'm german too so no problem ;)
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13:20.42sxeErkiDerLoony: did you remove the configs like bcooksley says here: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=95621#p198568 ?
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13:20.54sxeits important to shut down akonadi
13:22.34sxethis post can help you as well: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96124
13:22.56sxeyou should check that forum btw, a lot of akonadi related posts there
13:23.07AristideHi !
13:23.13sxeHi !
13:23.14AristideI have a problem with akonadi and google
13:23.19AristideOn KDE 4.7
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13:23.38AristideIs not possible to sync Google Calendar with Akonadi ? :o
13:24.03sxei have no idea, sry
13:24.12AristideHm... :/
13:24.16AristideNo problems ^^'
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13:26.49bajk-tragbargreat. on my ntebook akonadi migrated my remaining 50 mails successfully, on my main machine my 8 years mails are gone o.O
13:26.58AristideHe say "invalid password"
13:26.59Aristide:o
13:27.38Casterbajk-tragbar: restore backup
13:27.51bajk-tragbarCaster: I have a backup but kmail 2 doesnt want it
13:27.53bajk-tragbarakonadi doesnt take it
13:28.05bajk-tragbarit says "Valid maildir folder" and the only thing that gets "migrated" are the folder structure
13:28.11Aristide><
13:28.11bajk-tragbarthe mails themselves dont get "copied" into kmail
13:28.34bajk-tragbarso I have "Bugreports" and "KDE" and "Development" and "Business" and stuff but all folders are empty
13:28.45bajk-tragbaris there a manual way to trigger that migration assistant again or something?=
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14:24.25ultrav1oletin which order KDE4.7 must be built?
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14:24.50ultrav1oletwhat libraries are the prerequisites?
14:26.21mlusconqt, kdelibs, kdepimlibs ... kde-workspace
14:27.34mlusconI recommend the kdesrc-build script
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14:33.51r0gershey all, is there on offical KDE manual available in hardcopy?  i would rather support the community by buying from kde.org...
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14:40.06dyrverehehe, YES now audio-cds work :)
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14:41.35soeeis there any way to set window background to single color ? i have set in option to single color but there is always small gradient in the top-middle area :/
14:42.15dyrvereyeah, lemme check soee
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14:43.29dyrverein the workspace settings where you can select your border-themes, you know soee?
14:44.44soeedyrvere, not sure where
14:45.45dyrvereWorkspace look/apperenace then Window-decorators, there's a small option to "adapt decorations"
14:46.02dyrvereadapt or configure :p
14:46.13dyrveresorry using kde in swedish. should switch to english
14:47.05soeethis is realted to shading setting i think
14:47.07dyrverethen the second tab "window style" you'll have like "follow styletips" or was that the one?
14:47.30soeei have this set to minimum but it doesnt turned it off
14:48.21dyrverehm, can you screenshot, mark what you mean is still shaded and send it?
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14:48.57dyrvereupload I mean
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14:54.29dyrvereHm, yeah I can't get the titlebar without shading. but all the rest is unshaded.
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15:00.12dyrverebut check in workspace-appearance>window-decorations>configure decoration at the bottom.
15:03.54Machtinanyone got an idea why i have two rows in the taskbar although i have set 1 row in the task manager settings?
15:04.10soeedyrvere, http://i51.tinypic.com/350458k.jpg
15:06.41dyrveresoee Ahh, just go to where you select color theme, I think it is the second tab where you can set shadowing to minimal :)
15:07.03soeedyrvere, "<soee> i have this set to minimum but it doesnt turned it off"
15:07.26dyrverehm that's weird. What decorator you use?
15:08.56soeedefault
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15:11.05dyrverelooks like what you get with qtcurve and not oxygen.
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15:12.06dyrvereis the graphical component set at oxygen?
15:12.12dyrverein "style"
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15:21.19dyrvereseems it is not possible to make it all one color, but it's damn close tho' soee
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15:24.51dyrverehehe, but if you like it really smooth. get another stylecomponent hehe
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15:34.45lancelot_ofhi there
15:34.58lancelot_ofis it possible to launch kde menu from command line in another wm?
15:38.16ErkiDerLoonysxe: Sorry, had to do something else for a moment.
15:38.40ErkiDerLoonyThanks for your help, I’ll try to get it work (am a little calmer now ;).
15:42.23lancelot_ofis it possible to launch kde menu from command line in another wm?
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15:49.46wankdankerI'm using 4.7 from kubuntu ppa on 11.04. Using kmail2, all outgoing mail is stuck in outbox with no error messages.
15:50.07wankdankerIs there any way to turn on or display logging in kmail2?
15:50.29wankdankertcpdump doesn't show any smtp traffic when attempting to send mail.
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16:12.43jthomasapparently, my Phonon crashed and now I have no audio, how can I manually restart it?  Debian Sid
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16:14.42jthomasnevermind, alsamixer shows more channels than kmix does; i fixed it there.  poor form, kde.
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16:32.13Flutiju`Hi, I have performance regression in 4.7, is there a way to fix that ?
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16:44.49PasNoxdolphin of kde 4.7 is no longer able to search files not indexed by nepomuk ???
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16:47.39cb400fPasNox: use kfind to have everything the way it's always been
16:48.16PasNoxcb400f: yeah but having a kfind like directly in dolhin was a good thing
16:48.28PasNoxhaving to start separated software is pain :d
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17:36.15asranielhello. i was wondering if it is a known bug that since kde 4.7 most gtk applications don't work anymore (they crash) using gtk-oxygen
17:37.28cb400foxygen-gtk is not part of kde sc
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17:37.54cb400fyou prolly updated other things too
17:38.41asranielah ok, thx then :)
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18:26.10rindolfHi all. This plasma-desktop-appletsrc - http://paste.debian.net/124776/ - gives me three notifications on the desktop (for example, on Amarok's song switch) instead of one. How can I fix it to give only one notification? I see there are three =notifications plugins there.
18:26.54rindolfI'm on KDE 4.7.0 on Mageia Cauldron (but this problem started before that and it disappears if I delete the plasma-desktop-appletsrc.)
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18:32.19dyrvererindolf: I have the same issue actually. Mostly it's nepomuk doing the notifications if you disable it before a reboot.
18:32.41dyrvere3 of em, same with KDE-telepathy always 3 when someone writes :)
18:34.25rindolfdyrvere: then it's probably a broken plasma-desktop-appletsrc
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18:34.37rindolfThe question is how to fix it.
18:35.51rindolfdyrvere: what does «grep -P '=notifications\s*$' ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc» give you?
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18:36.42dyrvereplugin=notifications sourceAppletPluginName=notifications
18:36.50rindolfdyrvere: only one?
18:37.07dyrvereyes, strange huh?
18:37.12rindolfdyrvere: yes.
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18:38.54rindolfdyrvere: then it may be a different poblem.
18:38.54dyrverekopete gives only one note when someone writes tho'
18:39.08dyrvereI think the problem lies in telepathy in my case.
18:41.14rindolfdyrvere: isn't Telepathy a GNOME thing?
18:41.36dyrverenot since KDE 4.7, look at the new kde-telepathy ;P
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18:42.03dyrverethat app looks promising IMO
18:42.22rindolfdyrvere: which one?
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18:43.32dyrvereI think most distros supply the telepathy-kde install as optional hm?
18:43.42dyrveretelepathy-kde-contactlist %u
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18:45.30rindolfAnyone?
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18:45.44rindolfWhy is it close to impossible to get help here on #kde?
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18:46.13rindolfAnd then they blame us for asking on #kde-devel
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18:50.10rindolfMaybe I'll ask on http://superuser.com/ .
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18:53.51rindolfAnyone?
18:54.13lineinthesandIs there an easy way to reduce translucency of windows like the device notifier?
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18:54.49rindolflineinthesand: using the context menu of the title bar.
18:54.53rindolflineinthesand: the icon menu.
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18:55.03rindolflineinthesand: it has an opacity sub-menu.
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19:05.10cb400fskramer_: well.. it's either a kwin effect or a part of your plasma theme
19:05.59rindolfis feeling irritated.
19:06.39skramer_cb400f: I never had such effect before, though. Do you know of any changes which could lead   to this effect?
19:06.59cb400fdidn't you just upgrade to 4.7?
19:07.18skramer_cb400f: yes, I just upgraded to 4.7
19:07.22cb400fyou don't think such a "small" change could introduce new/changed effects?
19:07.38cb400fhasn't got 4.7 yet himzelf
19:08.03skramer_cb400f: yes, maybe... ;-)
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19:08.38skramer_perhaps I should ask mgraesslin over on #kwin :-)
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19:11.16atomopawnrindolf: What was it you needed help with?
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19:15.03cb400frindolf: you already said you had the solution... nuking the plasma-desktop-appletsrc
19:15.35rindolfatomopawn: <rindolf> Hi all. This plasma-desktop-appletsrc - http://paste.debian.net/124776/ - gives me three notifications on the desktop (for example, on Amarok's song switch) instead of one. How can I fix it to give only one notification? I see there are three =notifications plugins there.
19:15.35cb400ftrying to manually edit that file will only cause more irritation
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19:15.45rindolfcb400f: it's not a good solution - I'll lose my settings.
19:16.12cb400fmaybe nuking the notification sections would do
19:16.27rindolfcb400f: well, there also appear to be some systrays there.
19:17.14cb400fexactly why it's good to nuke that file from time to time... tends to get cluttered and messy
19:17.22rindolfcb400f: OK, maybe I'll nuke it.
19:17.28rindolfcb400f: thanks.
19:17.42cb400fcausing much more irritation than reconfiguring from scratch :-|
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19:18.20rindolfcb400f: wow! I have two previous plasma-desktop-appletsrc-bad files.
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19:18.29rindolfOne from 2009 and one from 2010.
19:18.51rindolfcb400f: thanks.
19:18.53cb400fI configure my plasma from scratch at least every 8 months
19:18.59rindolfOK, switching to KDE.
19:19.12cb400f.. and try to avoid messing with more plasmoids than necessary
19:19.13rindolfNow I'll have to pick new wallpapers.
19:19.46atomopawnSounds like a plan. :-)
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19:30.29rindolfHi all.
19:30.39rindolfcb400f: hi! Thanks, it fixed the issue I had.
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19:53.21sergio_Anyone having problems with pidgin's systray icon? Seems to only work when it's visible. If I right click it from the flyout menu (where hidden icons reside) it's unresponponsive.
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20:00.11atomopawnsergio_: I can give it a try if you like.  How do I add/access the flyout menu?
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20:14.21wodimhighlighted items on the taskbar are all wrong. that's known, right?
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20:37.47dyrverehm, can like.. kopete tell me by which of my five accounts this "paugerelk36" user has added me as? like "paigerelkbot has added You blahabla@hotmail.com" Instead of "This user paugerelkbot has added You."
20:39.12dyrvereit's been bothering me for a while and I'm not good at code to fix it myself, thanks :)
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20:42.11sergio_atomopawn, if you go to systray's settings->Entries, and choose "Hide" for the pidgin icon
20:42.37sergio_atomopawn, then the systray will have an arrow pointing up, with a menu of hidden icons
20:44.16atomopawnGotcha.  Didn't know that had a name. :-)
20:46.04atomopawnsergio_: I can confirm that pidgin only seems to respond when not hidden.
20:46.25atomopawnI'm using KDE in Oneiric Ocelot.
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22:13.49dyrvereno longer using firefox as the main web-browser with KDE.
22:20.45swervei have a home video (avi), i want to remove the sound and put other sound over it - can kino do this?
22:21.01swerveor do i need to demux or something first?
22:21.39swerveoops - n/m just realized kino is not a KDE app
22:22.06swerveanything starting with 'k' i automatically assume is KDE :=o
22:22.42swervemaybe question then is 'what KDE app/s can do this?'
22:24.37dyrverekdenlive?
22:26.53dyrveretry it out swerve. Kdenlive is just the thing for that.
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22:57.47TCWplaces menu for kde4.6... anyone? :)
22:58.00TCWit seems the one I used is not compatible enymore...
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23:00.04TCWanymore even
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23:18.35bart_Hello all :)
23:18.58bart_Who knows the answer: My systemmenu (and lancelot) don't show any programs
23:19.10bart_If I open menu-editor it is also empty
23:19.25bart_What went wrong but more important: how to fix this?
23:19.54jasminbart_:  why don't you change lancelot or other menu
23:20.21bart_jasmin: what do you mean?
23:20.26jasminbart_: do you mean application launch and lancelot
23:20.33jasmin*launcher
23:20.35bart_jasmin: yes, both
23:20.51bart_jasmin: they still show my favorites, but that's all
23:21.05jasminunlock widget, add widget and add new menu on panel
23:21.06jasmin:S
23:21.15bart_tried, no luck
23:21.28jasmindamn
23:22.06jasminI hope so someone with more experience will help you
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23:23.50bart_jasmin: It's not a big problem. i still have food and water so...........
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23:26.21bart_:| Did I miss openSUSE 12
23:26.37bart_Wow, that is some news that makes me bllush
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