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03:17.59ScuniziOn boot after the desktop comes up the system asks for a password again.. would that be for network manager?
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03:32.24ader10When I click an image in Konqueror, a preview inside the conqueror window pops up displaying the image. How can I get this action with the keyboard?
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03:38.55mitchellAre ther any developers online who would be willing to answer a few questions about Free Software for a school project?
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04:01.43linnxytrying to use banshee under kde and it works great. but i cant get it to detect my removeable device so i can transfer music (works under gnome)
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05:22.36ader10How do I open images in konqueror's embedded viewer with the keyboard?
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05:26.22cpatrick08_i was wondering if you knew how many more releases you were going to do on kde4 before work begins on kde5
05:30.51ader10cpatrick08_: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.6_Release_Schedule A loooong time.
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05:36.26cpatrick08_ok thanks
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06:31.18VergeIs there any spesific reason why Kwin's performance seems to degrade a lot after opening for than four windows when blur is enabled
06:31.47VergeAnd a Konsole window seems to be very hazardous too, even though there is no blurring applied to it
06:32.04Vergemore*
06:32.35VergeIt's like I open a fifth window, Kate or Dolphin or whatever, and my FPS drops from 60 to ~50
06:32.43VergeI open a window or two more and it's now 30
06:35.48VergeWithout blur I can have 20 windows open and framerate is still above 55
06:35.57VergeKonsole windows too
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06:43.01tasslehoffis there a way to set the default size of a konsole window?
06:43.42VergeI use Kwin's window-spesific rules
06:43.54VergeThey're pretty handy if you happen to Kwin
06:45.28tasslehoffVerge: just started using Kubuntu, and I *think* I use Kwin. If that's the default I do, anyway :)
06:45.35Vergeyes
06:46.22VergeRight click on the titlebar and choose Advanced -> Special Window Settings
06:46.41VergeThere you can set the size
06:47.00VergeThe default values in there will be the window's current size
06:47.13VergeAnd I recommend you select "Apply initially" as the method
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06:48.40tasslehoffVerge: oh. this was quite the gem you gave me :D
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06:49.46tasslehoffthe ability to set desktop and possibly fullscreen will also come in handy. thanks!
06:50.16VergeI use them with Amarok too
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06:56.37tasslehoffVerge: perhaps I should have chosen Application Specific? new windows don't get the size I set
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07:02.26VergeIn the window tab set window role to "mainwindow" and match rule as "substring match"
07:03.00VergeI tend to use window rules because application-wide rules sometimes mess dialog windows etc.
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08:02.59chomwitthi.i have debian6+kde4.4.5.  i want to add some xrandr commands at desktop startup. In what dir/file can i add them? (xinitrc? )
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08:06.30rindolfHi all. How do I insert an LRM (Left-right-mark) character in the Kate editor?
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11:21.51tasslehoffShould there be a network manager/applet/indicator in my fresh KDE session somewhere? I had none, so I had to setup networking through System Preferences instead.
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11:26.38sebastasslehoff: if it's installed and not visible, you can enable it in the system tray's settings
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11:29.36tasslehoffsebas: thanks.
11:29.47sebasyou're welcome
11:30.07tasslehoffhmm. my wireless has suddenly gone unavailable. that only happens in kde sessions for some reason..
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11:42.52DoctorPepperhi guys !!!
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11:44.34DoctorPeppercan  anyone help me  please, i am using kdevelop  and i have trouble importing a project from   a local git repo
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11:51.01rindolfDoctorPepper: KDevelop for KDE 4?
11:51.04rindolfDoctorPepper: hi.
11:51.17rindolfDoctorPepper: what did you try so far?
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11:57.17tasslehoffthinks kde is starting to look/feel really nice on his Ubuntu install, and has even started looking at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde :)
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12:05.01rindolftasslehoff: KDE-4.6.0 is great.
12:05.18rindolfWell, 4.6.1 too.
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12:19.48DoctorPepperrindolf:  i tryed to  create a project from a git repo located on my own hard drive   but  i cant get  the ok button to be activated
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12:20.11rindolfDoctorPepper: how is it related to git?
12:20.19rindolfDoctorPepper: or do you mean in the dialogue?
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12:22.15DoctorPepperi am unable  to have  the ok button  to activated in the dialog box  eventhough   i have the rigth path on the source textfield
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12:24.42rindolfDoctorPepper: ah.
12:24.55rindolfDoctorPepper: don't know, then.
12:25.28DoctorPepperthanks
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12:55.33tasslehoffAny way to invert the Fn button on my laptop? I want F-keys by default.
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12:58.49rindolftasslehoff: hi. don't know.
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14:16.51aldinhi, how is called kwin effect where you hold window and drag it to the right or left edge of screen and then it maximizes itself but onl takes half of the screen?
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14:19.53perrito666anyone is using chromium with kde? (and having youtube videos behaving in extrmely odd ways?)
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14:25.28aseigoperrito666: chromium, or chrome?
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14:26.20perrito666Chromium
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14:27.53perrito666for instance, I am watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q7Vr3yQYWQ&feature=related and I see a gray area where the vid should be and the vid is in the top left corner (altough that seems to be a static image and in the part of the vid overlapping with the gray area I see actual movement)
14:27.56perrito666hard to explain
14:28.03aseigoaldin: it's not an effect, really. it's a window management option. it's under "Screen Edges"
14:28.04perrito666also when I swich tabs the vid remains there
14:28.18aseigoaldin: in the window management control panels
14:28.31aldinaseigo, ok thanks
14:28.44aseigoperrito666: sounds like it isn't successfully xembeding it ...
14:29.15aseigoperrito666: and how are you using chromium with KDE (by which i assume you mean KDE Plasma)? chromium is a full OS .... chrome is the browser.
14:29.43perrito666aseigo: mm, we are having a discrepancy of terms :)
14:30.04aseigonotes that flash video (e.g. youtube) works in chrome here...
14:30.09perrito666chromium -> http://code.google.com/intl/en-US/chromium/
14:30.21perrito666"open source" version of chrome
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14:31.20aldinaseigo, btw addicted on kde's "that effect" just googleing for compiz equivalent... found this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/compiz-0-9-available-gains-aero-snap-like-plug-in-total-rewrite/
14:31.22aseigowell, it's the project behind chrome ... chrome is the actual browser. but yes, not important, as long as i know for sure what you're referign to :)
14:31.51perrito666aseigo: indeed, the browser running on kde4.6.1, just to make clear :p
14:32.32aseigoperrito666: ok, so similar version of plasma then (i'm using master, which is a bit newer than that but nothing overly significant yet) .. and if it isn't embedding the video that's definitely a chrome issue
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14:33.31crocketWithin KDE 4.5.5, I can't change the mouse cursor theme to anything other than the KDE classic.
14:33.35perrito666watches flash with bad eyes
14:33.40crocketThe ugly black mouse cursor theme.
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14:49.52perrito666aseigo: ok, seems to be beyond chrome http://imgur.com/xRa8f
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15:05.50Error-Tenicohallo
15:06.04Error-TenicoI've got KDE4 and I'm thinking if there's any application that is an alarm clock'
15:06.57Error-TenicoI want to use my computer as an alarm clock
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15:50.38Error-Tenicois there any alarm clock for KDE4?
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15:53.43Daskreechkde-look.org or kde-apps.org
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17:00.21catalinbhello
17:00.52catalinbcould anyone point me to some documentation regarding the clipboard atoms used for file copying on KDE based desktops?
17:00.54catalinbthanks
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17:19.59vyrgozunqkhey guys, i have a problem with native kde apps under gnome, they don't handle metacity, and they stay without a frame, any ideas where might be the problem, this is under gnome 2.32 and kde 4.6.1
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17:24.13Damnshockvyrgozunqk: launche any of them from the command line and check if there is any usefull information there
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17:26.12vyrgozunqkthis is from dolphin
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18:24.33CMoH-notebookhey
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18:25.48CMoH-notebooki'm interested in developing an application that grabs the thumbnail of a window, and display it on another framebuffer device
18:27.13CMoH-notebooki've followed so far the xcomposite tutorial, but it fails with BadAccess, which means the screen is already grabbed (I assume it's kwin that's grabbing it). is this the proper way to go, with xcomposite?
18:27.29CMoH-notebookmeaning i forgot to do some obscure call that allows my code to also access the window backbuffer?
18:27.48CMoH-notebookor is there an API in kwin allowing an app to get a pixmap of the window?
18:28.03Sho_#kde-devel or better #kwin
18:28.06mgraesslinCMoH-notebook: yes there is a dbus API used by ksnapshot
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18:28.24CMoH-notebookty both
18:28.36CMoH-notebooki'll go on #kde-devel
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18:29.31CMoH-notebookmgraesslin, i was thinking i could get my hands on the same backbuffer instead of regrabbing the window pixmap
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18:30.18mgraesslinCMoH-notebook: it won't allow you to get the "complete" window
18:30.31mgraesslinCMoH-notebook: but it would be useful to know what you want to achieve
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18:32.13CMoH-notebookbasically it's this: i have a keyboard with LCD, and i'd like to have a miniview of one of the windows on it
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18:32.28[mors]hi.
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18:32.42mgraesslinCMoH-notebook: use one of kwin's effects
18:32.54[mors]any plans to support gnome's "Service Provider Database" http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/MobileBroadband/ServiceProviders in kde's network manager ?
18:33.06mgraesslinCMoH-notebook: e.g. use the taskbar thumbnail effect to render the window to the position where you want to have it
18:33.08CMoH-notebookmgraesslin, let me rephrase to see if i understand: i need to implement a kwin effect, and there i get access to the pixmap?
18:33.33mgraesslinCMoH-notebook: do you need the pixmap or do you want to have the window rendered at the correct position?
18:33.43pinotree[mors]: doesn't a recent (like 3 months or so) knm use it?
18:34.02CMoH-notebooki need the pixmap, since there's no X server running on the framebuffer
18:34.12[mors]pinotree: oh, it does ?
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18:34.24[mors]I'm still using kde 4.5.1 on my laptop (provided with the distro)
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18:34.39pinotreeknm is not part of the kde sc releases
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18:35.16CMoH-notebookmgraesslin, ^^
18:35.24mgraesslinCMoH-notebook: I doubt that the pixmap would help you in that case
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18:35.42CMoH-notebookmgraesslin, please elaborate
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18:35.54mgraesslinwell it's an XPixmap
18:36.09mgraesslinif there is no X where you want to render it get's difficult
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18:36.10CMoH-notebooksure, but i can further copy it to /dev/fb0
18:36.24mgraesslinof course you can, but it won't be performant
18:36.33mgraesslinand in that case you can use the dbus API of kwin
18:36.45CMoH-notebookthe backed towards the fb is sorted; getting the source image is my problem
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18:36.55CMoH-notebook*backend
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18:39.31CMoH-notebooki'm looking at kwin's dbus api and i can't find any method relevant to getting a pixmap
18:40.34[mors]the close tab button in Konsole in kde 4.6.1 is always grayed out... bug ?
18:40.34CMoH-notebookexcept perhaps doNotManage ?
18:40.34mgraesslinyeah it's not there
18:40.34mgraesslinCMoH-notebook: best look at the ksnapshot code
18:40.34CMoH-notebookeh, i have already :)
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18:40.34mgraesslinit's new in 4.6
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18:41.54CMoH-notebookbut since i'm already copying the image and resetting the color space etc in order to send it to the other fb, i thought i'd search for a minimally cpu intensive way to retrieve it
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18:42.22CMoH-notebooki'll have to move to my desktop to check out 4.6
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18:43.28mgraesslinCMoH-notebook: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdegraphics/ksnapshot/repository/revisions/34ee0018eae257b1b6bbc0b58034f959a6a853fe
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18:43.41CMoH-notebookmgraesslin, thanks for all your hints - i'll start reading on each option
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19:04.11CMoH-notebookthe code in the screenshot effect in kwin-4.6.1 seems to be what i need
19:04.55CMoH-notebookwith some investigation i might even get a hardware surface with the same color maps as the target fb and perform resizing
19:06.02CMoH-notebookthough i doubt that
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19:14.06CMoH-notebookthanks again for the hints - from now on it's plain work
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19:19.45[mors]holy..... how, flash goes compleetly beserk in kde 4.6.1
19:19.54[mors]anyone has a screen capture program ?
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19:22.56[mors]actually, seems like flash 10. issue
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19:37.58DamnshockBajK: maybe do the other way around: disable notifications and only show them if they are not of that kind of message
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19:48.56eggbertx_laptopI realize that gedit is not designed for KDE, but is it possible to have it automatically upload remote files in use to an SSH server like KDE does, and like it does in GNOME?
19:49.25eggbertx_laptopas it is now, it won't upload it until after I exit out of gedit
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19:54.17[mors]hi gentes. how do I disable kate's stdout and stderr output ?
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20:17.31eggbertx_laptopbtw, I'm running Fedora 14 and kde 4.5.5
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20:34.11rindolfHi all.
20:34.24saidinesh5Hello rindolf
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20:52.15sonerhi guys
20:52.23soneranyone from germany here?
20:53.03skfinsoner: #kde-de helps you perhaps
20:53.09sonerthanks
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20:53.40skfinNo problem :)
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20:55.35sonerok those guys are all afk perhaps someone can help me out in this chan
20:55.47sonerI'm using the german version of kde
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20:56.37sonerWhen I right-click on a task in the control-panel and chose "advanced" (or something similar)
20:56.47soneranother menu appears
20:57.06sonerWhats the correct english name of the feature, that allows me to add this task as a starter?
20:57.20sonerhope I didn't explain it too complicated :D
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20:58.28sonerIt should be something like "Add this task as a starter when it's not running" but I need the exact formulation
20:58.56rindolfsoner: maybe autostart.
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20:59.33sonerrindolf: I don't think so, it has nothing to do with autostart :)
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20:59.49sonerWhen you right-click on a task, a menu appears
21:00.05sonerchoose "advanced" (or something similar to it), another menu appears
21:00.18sonerand there should be an option allowing this task to add as a kind of starter
21:00.52Axanonan option to keep it there when it's not running?
21:01.02soneryes
21:01.17Axanonand you aren't seeing this option?
21:01.25sonerI am seeing it
21:01.30sonerbut I need the formulation in english
21:01.32Axanonwhat is your problem?
21:01.49sonerI am using the german-kde version :D
21:01.53AxanonI would call it 'Adding a Launcher to the taskbar'
21:02.41sonerDo you use kde in english?
21:02.49Axanonyes
21:02.55Axanondo you want the exact wording of it?
21:02.58soneryes :)
21:03.01sonerwould be very kind
21:03.24AxanonShow a launcher for <programname> when it is not running
21:03.30sonerthank you sooooooo much :))
21:03.37Axanonyou're welcome :)
21:03.44tholinnothing happens when I try to logout or lock the screen
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21:03.57tholinwhich part of kde is responsible for them
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21:05.11Axanontholin: what distro are you using?
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21:54.35changedsoulI got some messages that came up on the "Notifications and jobs" app....does that log to a file anywhere/
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23:30.58OmsniffiscentDoes KDE run Compiz?
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23:33.34AxanonOmsniffiscent: I believe you can
23:33.55thiago_homeOmsniffiscent: KDE doesn't run it by default
23:33.59thiago_homebut you can run it if you want
23:34.00OmsniffiscentI use gnome. I just tried out KDE and it's really weird. :/
23:34.18OmsniffiscentLooks very nice, though.
23:34.50Axanondepending on what you want out of compiz, you may be able to do the same with kwin
23:35.24Axanonkwin's config options are a little different than compiz, but it's pretty flexible
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23:36.16OmsniffiscentAh, ok. I didn't know about kwin, let me see if it's installed
23:36.35Axanoncheck desktop effects in your system settings
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23:37.32Axanonot should be installed- compositing may be inactive if you haven't installed your video drivers
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23:42.10OmsniffiscentI'm running it in a VM so that may be the issue. I get a notification that something is turning off the desktop effects when I turn them on.
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23:42.37thiago_homeprobably lack of proper OpenGL support inside the VM
23:42.45AxanonOmsniffiscent: did you install vitrualbox additions?
23:43.05OmsniffiscentUmm... I don't think so.
23:43.05Axanonand setup the VM to run with 3D enabled
23:43.30Axanonthen yeah, you wont get compositing unless you install the additions and turn on 3D
23:43.37Omsniffiscentok heh
23:46.46OmsniffiscentThis is going to turn into a big giant thing because I have KDE on Arch and I have no idea how to run the linux addition script as a super user in arch lol
23:49.40Axanonin virtualbox, theres an option to install the vbox additions package. it'll download the .iso and should mount it
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23:51.44OmsniffiscentYeah I've got the "cd" mounted. But I can't run VBoxLinuxAdditions.run unless I'm the super user.
23:52.07Axanonoh lol, sorry.. su to root and run it
23:52.31Omsniffiscentsudo bash command not found
23:52.34Axanonno
23:52.43Axanonif your running arch sudo doesnt come installed
23:52.48Omsniffiscentlol wut
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23:53.02Axanonat the prompt type 'su' then enter the root password
23:53.17Axanon(no quotes)
23:53.19OmsniffiscentAha, success!
23:53.35Axanoncheck the arch wiki on how to setup sudo though- it comes in handy
23:54.07ader10How do I open images and zips inside the same konqueror window?
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23:55.09lisakis there a shortcut for screensaver ?
23:55.55pinotreectrl+alt+L
23:57.59lisakpinotree, thanks, can't find where to disable the password
23:58.01pinotree(that does lock the screen too)
23:58.12Axanonheheh

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