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01:22.09dev001rdieter_work: yep, know abt those.  looking for a 'text' output ... i.e., just a list
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01:59.07fonzihelp, using ver 4.4.5. My SATA drive is not detected by Device Notifier.
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02:12.45fonziit seems chat is dying everywhere.
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02:15.05shashi_ircI am using Kubuntu 10.10. When i freshly installed the OS, there was a square box on the desktop with applications icons showing in it. But now it is not there. Please any one tell how bring that box again ? how to add it again ?
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02:23.44leo_rockwayshashi_irc: folderview?
02:24.16shashi_ircYa, might be, how to get it back ?
02:24.39leo_rockwayjust add the folderview widget
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03:36.39kerrickI accidentally created an account that I didn't want to create on bugs.kde.org. How can I have it deleted? bugs.kde.org gave no contact information.
03:38.01cba123I'm running 4.5 on Ubuntu Mavrick.  I just got a mouse with 2 extra buttons, and they are auto-set to be back and forward.  I don't want them to be, but I can't see where to change it (I don't see it under "Input Settings" in system settings).  Any ideas?
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03:48.59dasKreechkerrick: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_sysadmin_request.cgi
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04:09.08kerrickWhen I report a bug on the KDE bugs website, is my email address shown?
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05:15.33darkstegowhat wireless connection manager do you all use with KDE?
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05:18.01Sho_darkstego: the Plasmoid-based networkmanager frontend
05:18.41darkstegoSho_, its kinda buggy
05:19.03darkstegoyou mean network-management right?
05:19.59Sho_dunno what the formal name of it is
05:21.33darkstegoI have the plasmoid based one, but it it really buggy
05:21.47Sho_well, my requirements are pretty simple
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07:46.19troutwineIs it possible to remove the bottom page bar thing for okular? Full-screen isn't full-screen with a menu bar.
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08:33.57A4R0Nanyone using KDE 4.5+ here ?
08:34.27A4R0Ni have a problem without kdm , hibernate won't work when kdm is not started
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09:03.44TorchA4R0N: you cannot hiberante from within KDE if you're not using KDM, yes.
09:04.02TorchA4R0N: you also cannot shut down, restart or suspend to ram in that case, afaik
09:04.26A4R0Ni could configure sudo to do the job ,
09:04.33A4R0Njust need to know the entrance of this trick
09:04.54A4R0NKDE must execute some commands , what could it be
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09:07.35TorchA4R0N: it will probably ask upower to do it. without looking at the code i cannot tell you, however.
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09:08.19A4R0Nchecking it out
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09:09.25A4R0Ngotta go now , bye all
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10:06.27bottigerSystem Settings -> Display shows the monitor as enabled
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11:37.20poyntzwhen I try to open omaque it crashes with this message: /usr/share/kde4/apps/omaque/reader.rb:329:in `const_missing': uninitialized constant KDE::BookmarkOwner (NameError) . how can I fix this?
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12:10.45poyntzdoes anyone understand this error ~
12:10.46poyntz/usr/share/kde4/apps/omaque/reader.rb:329:in `const_missing': uninitialized constant KDE::BookmarkOwner (NameError) from /usr/share/kde4/apps/omaque/reader.rb:329 from /usr/share/kde4/apps/omaque/main.rb:22:in `require' from /usr/share/kde4/apps/omaque/main.rb:22
12:10.51poyntz?
12:12.52annmapoyntz: first what are you trying to build? and how
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12:23.46annmapoyntz: ?
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13:00.09terietorhello
13:00.31terietordoes kde4.6.0-rc1 released?
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13:03.02annma#kontact
13:03.28annmaterietor: when it's released it'll be on kde website
13:04.08terietorthanks
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13:06.24pieludDoes any one know why some of my apps like skype does not not go to the system tray anymore when I close it like it used to do? I'm on 4.5.4. The system tray setting option "Entries" includes SKYPE as "Auto" but this does not work. I also removed and added the system tray plasmoid in the panel but this makes no difference. Any help or ideas will be great, thanks.
13:11.02annmadid you check with a new user?
13:12.50pieluda u again, nope, but I guessed it is some usr setting, that is why I asked so I can fix the current usr I'm using.
13:13.21annmafirst check if it is the case
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13:20.43pieludok annma, it does works fine as another usr.
13:21.09pieludAny ideas how I would fix the current usr?
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13:24.09annmarm plasma* in config
13:24.21annmayou'll lose all desktop config
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13:29.35poyntzannma: sudo apt-get install omaque
13:29.42poyntzannma: that's all i did
13:30.25annmaso ask in your distro channel
13:30.43annmaif they package it, they tested it
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13:56.21poyntz/usr/share/kde4/apps/omaque/reader.rb:329:in `const_missing': uninitialized constant KDE::BookmarkOwner (NameError) from /usr/share/kde4/apps/omaque/reader.rb:329 from /usr/share/kde4/apps/omaque/main.rb:22:in `require' from /usr/share/kde4/apps/omaque/main.rb:22
13:56.28poyntz- can someone help me solve this?
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13:58.29annmapoyntz: did you ask your distribution channel
13:58.45annmathis omaque app is quite old (not updated since 2009)
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13:59.14annmaas I said, if your distribution has it they should know why it does not install
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14:08.29poyntzannma: what do you mean?
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14:09.20annmapoyntz: did you ask your distribution?
14:09.43annmaI mean thee might be an imcompability between your ruby bindings and this app as this app is old
14:09.58annmathere
14:10.12annmathat's why you need to ask your distribution about this package
14:10.35annmahere we do not solve distribution problems
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14:48.41ct529_hi guys, i have some problems with kde, if I run chrome or firefox and watch a flash video, between npveiwer, xorg, and kwin they take 90% of the CPU!!!!
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15:01.36ct529and a pretty powerful CPU at that, running a 2.8GHZ
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15:04.18annmaI don't have any problem with firefox (I don't use chrome)
15:04.33annmaI have FX running allthe time
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15:30.27pielud<PROTECTED>
15:30.53annmaplasma* means everything that starts with plasma
15:31.08pieludmmm, ok.
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15:37.48pieludI do not want to remove plasma* under config does any one else have another sugestion for: "some of my apps like skype does not not go to the system tray anymore when I close it like it used to do? I'm on 4.5.4. The system tray setting option "Entries" includes SKYPE as "Auto" but this does not work. I also removed and added the system tray plasmoid in the panel but this makes no difference."
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16:08.08ct529annma: I think ti is the kwin / xorg combination that seems to be using plenty of cpu ....
16:08.15ct529annma:  is there any known issue?
16:08.35annmaI don't know, ask your distro for example
16:08.48annmadid you try with another wm
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16:10.41beojancan someone tell me which is the correct channel for KPackageKit / Apper
16:11.16annmaApper?
16:11.30beojanpreviously known as KPackageKit
16:12.07cb400fprolly your distro channel for user support.. if you want to get in touch with developer(s) I don't think it has a channel
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16:12.38cb400fbut you can write to the guy on kde-apps.org at least.. dunno if there's a mailing list either
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17:40.15gribouilleI have a problem with an mtp device
17:40.54gribouilleI plug it in my computer, but nothing happens
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18:13.36fantastic001hi
18:13.45fantastic001i have problem
18:14.22fantastic001i am making my own desktop envioment based on qt and i don't know how to make taskbar
18:14.37fantastic001how kde's taskbar works
18:14.59annmawhat window manager?
18:15.07annmataskbar hmmm
18:15.10fantastic001openbox
18:15.13annmadefine taskbar
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18:15.45fantastic001how to define taskbar
18:16.00annmawhat do you call "taskbar"
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18:17.05fantastic001how can i make dock for example like docky but in qt
18:17.37fantastic001to minimize windows and unminimize tham
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18:18.32annmawhat did you do so far for your desktop
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18:19.04annmaand if it's for Qt you need to ask in #qt
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18:40.08n4muhello
18:40.42micromIs there a KDE application that would allow me to visually program a dataflow model (producers -> channels -> consumers)? I looked at Umbrello, but I'm not convinced it can do it.
18:41.03n4muquestion: (debian squeeze); I used to be able to add an "application" to the task bar, I would chose whatver icon I wanted and tell it to exec whatever command I needed.  I can't find that anymore, any ideas ? : ]
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18:42.59Mamarokmicrom: try Kivio
18:43.51Mamarokn4mu: that would be a launcher, check your widgets
18:45.41micromMamarok: hum... reminds me I could use inkscape...
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18:46.22n4muMamarok: yeppe, I have found only one that seems to have some stuff, but I cannot do the simple things like i described, for example it does not allow me to define an icon, so the user will be confused
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18:47.26n4muMamarok: I have here "Quicklaunch"
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18:47.46n4mumaybe I need to install a different widget to be able to do the very very basic "add one icon" thing
18:48.16Mamarokn4mu: you could also define and select the application in the menu and add a link to the panel
18:48.24n4muit is not in the menu
18:48.29n4muthat is the thing.
18:48.31Mamarokwell, add it?
18:48.34n4muwhy ?
18:48.52Mamarokright click on the menu and add an entry, define the icon and add it to the panel
18:48.55n4muif it is the only way, then sure.  But I am assuming that it is not
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18:49.29n4muhmm, okay... . I get it.  simplicity is "over"  : ]
18:49.43Mamarokn4mu: there certainly is an easier way, let me unlock my widgets
18:50.26Psifidotoshello everybody...
18:50.45n4muMamarok: thanks : ] (I'm going to look again and see if apt has something)
18:51.04Psifidotosdoes anyone know if there is an explanation of "description.txt" for ksplashx engine in KDE 4?
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18:54.07n4muMamarok: I think I need to "add my thing to menu" and then goto "menu" -> right click the thing i added and chose "send to panel"
18:54.20n4muso it "has" to be in the kmenu I guess
18:55.10n4muAHA, found a hack
18:55.23n4muso use the above to add any random program to the panel
18:55.40n4muthen I can right click it and edit as I used to in the olden days : ]]]
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18:57.55n4muMamarok: thanks though...  : ]
18:58.07n4muIf you want me to clarify to you I can.
19:01.48eshatI never experienced so much crashing and problems, like with KDE 4.5.3, though sice should be the third bug-fix version
19:02.02eshatkwin and yakuake are crashing multiple times a day
19:02.21eshatgets really annoyed by KDE....
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19:02.46eshatwhy make a DE so complex if there is way more to do in fixing bugs
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19:03.15eshatI have several bug reports on bugs.kde.org and didn't get any reply on one of them
19:04.24eshatwe have 250 user clients at the university I work as a system admin on, and KDE is causing most of all problems in comparison to other DE's
19:04.59eshatwe're even planing to migrate the KDE users and not offer it in next os upgrade
19:05.44eshatbeware: the above is a rant
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19:33.09Marchitoshas anybody tested kde4.6 pim beta 3?
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19:38.47Hero_of_MordorWow, does anyone else hate how slow their computer gets when ripping via K3b?
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19:42.21Nece228hi
19:42.27naujashttp://imagetwist.com/lyz1x3okhl0y/sakes_1_.jpg.html
19:42.38Nece228will you release kde 4.6 rc1 today?
19:43.01Nece228that would be cool christmas present
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19:44.05Nece228andrea gave positive feedback, everything compiles
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20:01.33Hero_of_Mordoris there a way for gnome/gtk2 based applications to run with KWin window decorations
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20:12.31micromis kivio gone? emerge kivio says it does not exist!
20:13.39JanKusanagiwell, it changed names recently
20:13.52JanKusanagiwith the KOffice -> Calligra  "split"
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20:54.45kotiqueyeah, krdc
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20:58.39eshatThis team ( www.elementary-project.com ) should help the KDE community
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23:11.31tacticalbreadhey guys, quick question. I've been a long time GNOME user, and I just installed Chakra with KDE 4 y esterday, and the desktop effects demolish my CPU (just normal use, my GPU is running 90C+). Is this because my integrated gfx card is crap, or is there something wrong here? I've been using GNOME with Compiz Fusion for ages with no problems...
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23:19.07einar77tacticalbread: it depends on
23:19.11einar77X.org version
23:19.15einar77driver version
23:19.22einar77and the actual card
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23:22.12tacticalbreadIt's an nvidia GeForce 7150M, integrated, driver 260.19.29; xorg-server 1.7.7.
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23:24.28einar77certain nvidia drivers have issues with kwin
23:24.43einar77I can't tell you more than that as I only have a series 9 card
23:25.11tacticalbreadI'm guessing that's the issue then; it's always kwin, or X that's eating my CPU
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23:25.30karthikpI notice that the nvidia driver is spanking new, but the xorg-server is some releases old (the current version is 1.9.2.
23:25.45karthikpPerhaps the new nvidia driver isn't tested with the old xorg-server?
23:27.21tacticalbreadthanks, I'll see about upgrading xorg
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23:30.40karthikpAnother option is switching to nouveau. It seems to work great on my old laptop (6800), and reasonably well on my work computer (9500), but not so good on my home computer (9800GT). So, it may or may not work well with your card, but if it does (like on my old laptop), it's a pleasure to use.
23:32.00karthikpWhen they take out the experimental tag on 3D support, I'm ditching nvidia on my home computer as well. I like the shinies. :)
23:32.27tacticalbreadWell, this driver works fine if I have desktop effects off.
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23:32.40tacticalbreadCan't have those with nouveau, can I?
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23:33.41karthikpThere are two problems. One, the 3D support is officially experimental. It works well on some cards, but not well on others. The second is random corruption. On my home computer, even with desktop effects off, it would corrupt icons all over the place.
23:34.30tacticalbreadEh yeah, I doubt it would work well on my card, my card is kind of crap for anything fancy.
23:34.36karthikpBut the 7xxx series is reasonably old, so you might be okay with it. All my problems were on 9xxx cards...
23:35.05karthikpOn 6800, things are so much better with nouveau than with nvidia.
23:35.59karthikpFlicker-free transition to and from consoles, toggling desktop effects is instant and virtually unnoticeable — your panel just turns gray. :) And monitor hotplugging. Awww Yeaa!
23:36.32karthikpEverything's more fun if xrandr works the way it was meant to. :)
23:36.37tacticalbreadHa, I may have to try that as well.
23:36.59karthikpYeah, I'd recommend trying it. It's pretty easy to switch back if it doesn't work for you.
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