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| 00:08.56 | Zombie | Anyone here? |
| 00:09.19 | Zombie | Does anyone know how to force 640x480 for a specific user? |
| 00:12.29 | cptf | put xrandr -s 640x480 into their ~/.xinitrc file (or .kde/Autostart/ script)? |
| 00:12.46 | cptf | of course, they can then change the resolution ... |
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| 00:14.38 | cptf | umm, that would be the ~/.xsession file if you are using kdm, I guess |
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| 00:22.39 | hellnest | heelo, is there any difference for 64BIT Architecture without using 4GB ram?? I'm only have 2GB ram and running a 32BIT system. Is that worthed if i upgraded to 64BIT ? |
| 00:23.12 | maazu | depends on what you wanna do with 64bits |
| 00:23.42 | maazu | note: the amount of killer apps for 64bits are limited limited, no steam powered games |
| 00:23.54 | maazu | for one, so your gonna dedicate this machine to work only. |
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| 00:51.19 | Shirakawasuna | I'm having trouble figuring out how to have plasma widgets use my system's icon theme. For example, using a difference battery icon or kmix icon. |
| 00:51.29 | Shirakawasuna | Is this easily configurable and am I just missing it? |
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| 01:03.02 | maazu | Merry X'mas aand Happy New Year |
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| 01:11.28 | BarkingFish | evening again, for the (6)th time |
| 01:11.38 | BarkingFish | oops sorry, wrong channel |
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| 02:31.09 | yao_ziyuan | what do you guys think of KDE3/Trinity? |
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| 02:32.19 | yao_ziyuan | http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ |
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| 02:51.20 | duff | can't figure this out for the life of me ... how can i direct output from a command in konsole to the clipboard? |
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| 02:57.59 | N9NU | CTRL+C |
| 02:58.37 | duff | that involves highlighting with the mouse |
| 02:58.40 | N9NU | then CTRL-V |
| 02:59.00 | N9NU | install GPM and u have mouse in CLI |
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| 03:10.04 | badone | duff: you could also use xclip |
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| 03:53.00 | Oleg_ | I believe konqueror is still inferior to firefox |
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| 04:54.20 | travkin | will work KDE4 on Atom N450 with 1 GB RAM? |
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| 05:03.39 | hagabaka | travkin: working on Atom N270 with 1GB RAM for me |
| 05:05.24 | travkin | fast? :) |
| 05:06.41 | hagabaka | fast enough, nepomuk used to use a lot of CPU, but I disabled most of it |
| 05:07.39 | hagabaka | the blur desktop effect is very slow, and translucency sometimes too, but that's mostly a problem with video driver |
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| 05:08.03 | hagabaka | and there's no problem after turning them off |
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| 05:09.08 | hagabaka | I was even using KDE4 with Athlon XP and 1GB before |
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| 05:33.31 | hellnest | kde-looks.org is down?? |
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| 05:50.13 | cfraz89 | yep |
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| 05:50.46 | cfraz89 | i used to use kde4 on my eepc 1000 |
| 05:51.05 | cfraz89 | worked ok, couldnt think of a better desktop for it |
| 05:51.14 | cfraz89 | just have to watch your ram usage |
| 05:51.24 | cfraz89 | chromium especially is a memory monster |
| 05:54.39 | hellnest | chromium and sometimes FF also can be a "monster" |
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| 05:54.44 | hellnest | also nepomuk lolz :D |
| 05:55.27 | cfraz89 | lol yeah its not too bad most of the time. only when it goes off the rails i had to kill it |
| 05:55.46 | cfraz89 | kadoban: its the marble plasma desktop |
| 05:56.19 | cfraz89 | its probably in kdeplasma-addons |
| 05:56.29 | cfraz89 | if you install that, restart plasma, should be there |
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| 06:20.06 | vasuvi | I'm tempted to jump from 4.5.4 to 4.5.85; would those who have made the jump think it's worth it at this point? |
| 06:21.16 | cfraz89 | i like it :) |
| 06:21.26 | cfraz89 | but i always go for the alphas lol |
| 06:21.36 | cfraz89 | i jumped to kubuntu 11.04 completely |
| 06:21.40 | vasuvi | cool; any feature stand out in particular? |
| 06:21.52 | cfraz89 | but am liking the search functionality |
| 06:21.54 | vasuvi | I'm playing around with Gentoo now; my main distro is Fedora though |
| 06:22.28 | cfraz89 | id be careful, amarok is broken on my setups right now, think its due to the kde lol |
| 06:22.48 | cfraz89 | i think its all round nicer, no major changes though |
| 06:23.09 | cfraz89 | a nice hidden feature, you can pin launchers onto the taskbar like win7 |
| 06:23.19 | vasuvi | I use Clementine, so I don't worry about Amarok ;) |
| 06:23.25 | cfraz89 | never seen that in an announement though |
| 06:23.27 | cfraz89 | lol clementine works fine :) |
| 06:23.39 | vasuvi | hmm; no major changes; I might wait until .90 then... |
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| 06:24.11 | cfraz89 | the main thing i think is the activities stuff |
| 06:24.30 | cfraz89 | its pretty cool, though I haven't made the best use of it so far |
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| 06:24.50 | vasuvi | cool :) I guess there's really nothing to lose, especially if I just have it compile overnight |
| 06:24.51 | cfraz89 | mostly because i haven't done much work since installing it :D |
| 06:25.15 | cfraz89 | true |
| 06:25.24 | cfraz89 | its semi-stable :p |
| 06:25.39 | vasuvi | Natty is? |
| 06:25.43 | cfraz89 | other win for it is you can ditch hal |
| 06:26.12 | cfraz89 | natty itself seems pretty solid. just plasma crashes occasionally lol |
| 06:26.13 | vasuvi | yeah, getting rid of HAL is nice, though not a huge deal IMHO |
| 06:26.21 | vasuvi | very nice :) |
| 06:26.22 | cfraz89 | good for my lappy |
| 06:26.37 | cfraz89 | hal eats battery for breakfast lunch and dinner |
| 06:26.45 | vasuvi | desktop here; probably part of why I don't really mind extra stuff like HAL |
| 06:27.00 | cfraz89 | boot time? |
| 06:27.46 | vasuvi | yeah, I suppose that's a good reason, especially as I actually turn my computer off each night |
| 06:28.08 | vasuvi | is tempted to try systemd and see how that effects it too |
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| 06:28.22 | denysonique | Hi |
| 06:28.24 | cfraz89 | yeah that almost tempted me to try fedora |
| 06:28.27 | cfraz89 | hey denysonique |
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| 06:28.46 | vasuvi | you heard that they pushed that off to F15 though, right? (at least by default) |
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| 06:28.51 | denysonique | Is anyone here using the fantastic tool -- BasKet Note Pads? |
| 06:29.00 | vasuvi | nope, sorry |
| 06:29.14 | denysonique | lol |
| 06:29.21 | denysonique | vasuvi: you should try it |
| 06:29.22 | cfraz89 | denysonique: used to, but using evernote now for the phone sync :( |
| 06:29.31 | vasuvi | at least not me; can't speak for everybody else on the channel ;) |
| 06:29.35 | cfraz89 | used to use it back in kde3 even :D |
| 06:29.43 | denysonique | vasuvi: http://basket.kde.org/screenshots.php |
| 06:29.51 | vasuvi | denysonique: gnote is enough for my needs, and I'm not a Qt-only bigot |
| 06:30.02 | denysonique | vasuvi: Well I am in Gnome |
| 06:30.02 | cfraz89 | ill give it another try though, it was pretty slick |
| 06:30.20 | vasuvi | ah, nice to see a non-GTK+-only bigot using GNOME ;) |
| 06:30.30 | denysonique | cfraz89: There is one thing I don't like about it: the way the window dragging is displayed |
| 06:30.41 | denysonique | vasuvi: I like Dolphin too |
| 06:30.57 | vasuvi | my most-used GTK+ app by far is Firefox |
| 06:30.58 | cfraz89 | denysonique: what happens? |
| 06:31.23 | cfraz89 | boo its not in main repos |
| 06:31.55 | cfraz89 | whoops im just blind |
| 06:35.08 | denysonique | cfraz89: the visual feedback while dragging is not nice e.g. BasKet's behavious is the same as 'Semi-transparent clone' on this site http://jqueryui.com/demos/draggable/#visual-feedback I would like BasKet to provide 'original' visual feedback, as seen on that website |
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| 06:38.24 | cfraz89 | yeah trying it now |
| 06:38.29 | cfraz89 | feels pretty old school yeah |
| 06:38.39 | cfraz89 | it used to work in realtime |
| 06:38.44 | cfraz89 | wonder why it regressed? |
| 06:39.10 | cfraz89 | i would pay $50 to the dev if he could make it export to evernot |
| 06:39.17 | cfraz89 | *sync |
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| 06:41.15 | denysonique | cfraz89: when did it work in realtime? |
| 06:42.04 | cfraz89 | at least the kde3 version :D |
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| 06:43.09 | denysonique | hmm |
| 06:43.15 | denysonique | I think I may need to downgrade |
| 06:43.29 | denysonique | hmm, and I remember kde3 times:) |
| 06:43.33 | denysonique | those kde3 sounds |
| 06:44.33 | cfraz89 | lol yeah i thought they were cool |
| 06:45.16 | vasuvi | KDE3 was kind of a golden era of KDE in a way; people look back upon it fondly. (I used XFCE during the transition, and only really came back in the 4.3 era) |
| 06:45.49 | cfraz89 | hmm maybe basket never had realtime drag, im just idolising it in my kde4 golden glow |
| 06:45.52 | cfraz89 | *kde3 |
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| 06:47.41 | yao_ziyuan | is there a way for kde4 to mimic a kde3-like style? |
| 06:47.57 | cfraz89 | isnt it kinda like that by default? |
| 06:48.02 | cfraz89 | panel at bottom, etc |
| 06:48.13 | yao_ziyuan | shiny kde3 taskbar |
| 06:48.28 | yao_ziyuan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Desktop_Environment_3 |
| 06:48.31 | yao_ziyuan | that's kubuntu |
| 06:48.43 | denysonique | cfraz89: did kde3 basket have a screegrab feature? |
| 06:48.45 | yao_ziyuan | polyester kwin and kstyle. good old days. |
| 06:49.10 | denysonique | Anyway BasKet is one of the coolest programs ever made |
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| 06:50.02 | cfraz89 | lol basket was pretty win. for some reason cant think of use for it anymore though. probably dont do enough work |
| 06:50.09 | cfraz89 | it was even my app launcher |
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| 06:50.13 | cfraz89 | denysonique: yep :D |
| 06:50.45 | cfraz89 | yao_ziyuan: apt-get install kde-style polyester :D |
| 06:50.52 | yao_ziyuan | yeah i know |
| 06:51.32 | yao_ziyuan | yeah maybe i should try kde4 again |
| 06:51.39 | yao_ziyuan | i'm currently in gnome |
| 06:51.55 | cfraz89 | maybe give it a go at 4.6 |
| 06:52.00 | cfraz89 | its pretty nice |
| 06:52.30 | cfraz89 | every time i try gnome i pull out because i cant figure out how to have a different wp on the second monitor? |
| 06:53.00 | yao_ziyuan | i support kde4's svg-based plasma themes (especially the taskbar). there is even a svg-based kwin decoration Aurora which uses svg-based user themes. |
| 06:53.10 | denysonique | cfraz89: wp? |
| 06:53.18 | yao_ziyuan | all these combined can mimic a windows 7 experience (translucent taskbar + translucent window decoration) |
| 06:53.39 | cfraz89 | wallpaper |
| 06:53.44 | yao_ziyuan | you know what, only making the taskbar translucent isn't good enough. |
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| 06:54.48 | cfraz89 | also gedit hurts my brain :D |
| 06:54.59 | denysonique | cfraz89: use vim |
| 06:55.16 | yao_ziyuan | when i think of kde4, i also recall this bug i submitted: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255299 |
| 06:55.19 | denysonique | btw, you can still use qt apps in gnome |
| 06:55.30 | yao_ziyuan | denysonique: i do, QStarDict |
| 06:55.38 | denysonique | I don't understand people using only applications written in one particulare toolkit |
| 06:56.26 | denysonique | Personally I would prefer to program using GTK (PyGTK + Glade) |
| 06:56.41 | denysonique | But using both is cool |
| 06:57.01 | denysonique | Sometimes I like to have a Gnome theme in KDE and vice-versa |
| 06:57.23 | yao_ziyuan | QGtkStyle can let kde/qt apps use gnome themes |
| 06:58.13 | yao_ziyuan | there used to be gtk-qt-style too |
| 06:58.18 | denysonique | Unfortunately doesn't for BasKet on my system |
| 06:58.32 | vasuvi | Oxygen Molecule is great for making GTK+ apps use KDE themes, though now it's depreciated and a new official Oxygen theme for GTK+ is coming |
| 06:58.34 | denysonique | doesn't work |
| 06:58.46 | denysonique | vasuvi: cool |
| 06:59.06 | yao_ziyuan | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255299 makes me feel KDE4 is unprofessional: |
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| 06:59.54 | vasuvi | here's the blog post about the official GTK+ Oxygen theme: http://hugo-kde.blogspot.com/2010/11/oxygen-gtk.html |
| 06:59.58 | yao_ziyuan | in the Kicker menu, "Log Out" has a description "End session" and "Restart Computer" has a description "Restart Computer". |
| 07:00.10 | yao_ziyuan | so why "session" is lowercased while "Computer" is capitalized? |
| 07:00.31 | yao_ziyuan | yeah i know, kde is developed by germans |
| 07:00.47 | cfraz89 | thats a good pickup |
| 07:00.52 | cfraz89 | never noticed that |
| 07:00.54 | denysonique | because Computer is a divinity |
| 07:00.57 | yao_ziyuan | but germans are known for punctuation and preciseness, right? |
| 07:01.47 | denysonique | the other Qt program I am using in GNOME is Quassel |
| 07:02.07 | denysonique | I think it is one of the most proffesional IRC clients |
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| 07:02.13 | denysonique | and bnc's |
| 07:02.17 | cfraz89 | yeah its nice |
| 07:02.40 | vasuvi | I prefer the UI of Konversation, but it's all a matter of taste |
| 07:02.45 | yao_ziyuan | *punctuality |
| 07:03.13 | yao_ziyuan | denysonique: there is also Lock Screen whose description is Lock Screen |
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| 07:03.54 | cfraz89 | speaking of, quassel jsut crashed on me lol |
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| 07:04.18 | yao_ziyuan | anyway, the OSS world is a mess |
| 07:04.18 | cfraz89 | and again... |
| 07:04.23 | yao_ziyuan | inconsistency everywhere |
| 07:04.38 | cfraz89 | consistency isnt everything though |
| 07:04.42 | denysonique | yao_ziyuan: no, I would say the proprietary world is a mess |
| 07:04.45 | cfraz89 | otherwise everyone would be using OSX |
| 07:04.47 | denysonique | yao_ziyuan: no standards etc |
| 07:04.57 | cfraz89 | which really gave me an anuerism last time i tried to use it |
| 07:05.07 | denysonique | yao_ziyuan: menu bugs like that get easliy patched in gentoo |
| 07:05.10 | vasuvi | meh, software is a mess in general, OSS or proprietary ;) |
| 07:05.37 | denysonique | cfraz89: upgrade to newer version |
| 07:05.44 | cfraz89 | quassel? |
| 07:05.47 | denysonique | yes |
| 07:05.57 | cfraz89 | its the version in 11.04, cant get newer than that usually :D |
| 07:05.59 | yao_ziyuan | denysonique: why in gentoo? |
| 07:06.10 | cfraz89 | think it was something to do with launching chromium which is auto-crashing on me |
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| 07:06.26 | cfraz89 | 0.7.1? |
| 07:06.28 | denysonique | yao_ziyuan: because gentoo is source based |
| 07:06.53 | yao_ziyuan | denysonique: that's related to language files |
| 07:07.02 | cfraz89 | i c, its a qt4.7 thing |
| 07:07.11 | denysonique | cfraz89: launch it from the terminal and look for the errors |
| 07:07.13 | cfraz89 | have to be careful not to hover any links |
| 07:07.26 | cfraz89 | its a qtwebkit crash. happens in alot of apps in natty right now :D |
| 07:07.33 | cfraz89 | rekonq, amarok, plasma |
| 07:07.53 | denysonique | cfraz89: can't you install Quassel without webkit? |
| 07:08.09 | cfraz89 | dunno, but this build is using it to preview links on hover |
| 07:08.18 | cfraz89 | itll probably get fixed when webkit does here |
| 07:08.23 | denysonique | cfraz89: where? |
| 07:08.26 | cfraz89 | this distro doesnt go live for another 4 months lol |
| 07:08.33 | cfraz89 | kubuntu 11.04 :D |
| 07:08.37 | denysonique | hmm |
| 07:08.46 | denysonique | cfraz89: Try Gentoo |
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| 07:08.57 | cfraz89 | i use arch every once in a while |
| 07:09.08 | denysonique | Try Gentoo ;) |
| 07:09.29 | cfraz89 | but after using it for a year realised how much infrastructure is there to squeze the most out of the hardware |
| 07:10.07 | cfraz89 | theres a tonne of power management stuff in ubuntu and the like that you never realise exists without a lot of digging |
| 07:10.29 | cfraz89 | going to try opensuse tumbleweed when thats good to go |
| 07:10.35 | cfraz89 | maybe gentoo soon :D |
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| 09:13.21 | hellnest | geez i'm confuse choosing a native browser for kDE @_@ any advice here? trying rekonq but sometimes it's crash. Play with old konqueror but it's a bit slow |
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| 09:42.00 | Oleg_ | Promise me there will be a day when konqueror will be as good as firefox |
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| 09:48.19 | sahko | konqueror has been better than firefox in so many ways already |
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| 09:49.16 | Oleg_ | then why konqueror's fonts are fucked up? |
| 09:49.43 | Oleg_ | they look bigger in konqueror than in firefox even if I choose the same size in Preferences |
| 09:50.08 | sahko | fonts look better in konqueror than in firefox in a kde environment imo |
| 09:50.10 | Oleg_ | that's why viewing certain websites sucks in konqueror |
| 09:50.32 | Oleg_ | well, kde 4.5.4 is what I am using |
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| 09:54.44 | sahko | i suspect it was better than firefox even in the 3.5.x series, in fact considering thhe state of the web at that time, i am almost certain |
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| 09:55.29 | cfraz89 | Oleg_: I think konq actually uses font sizes same as system |
| 09:55.35 | Oleg_ | Okay, it's not about fonts, but it seems to me spaces between certain things that are portrayed on websites are bigger in konqueror |
| 09:55.39 | cb400f | well.. first of all y'all should distinguish between konq/khtml and konq/webkit.. secondly konq was much more actively maintained in 3.x days imo |
| 09:55.49 | cfraz89 | like most browsers default to 16px, but thats huge as a system font |
| 09:56.02 | cfraz89 | in konq they actually look like 16px, other browsers about 10px? |
| 09:56.11 | cfraz89 | i always had to drop konq to 10px |
| 09:56.15 | cb400f | and firefox has ~20% marketshare and a large full-time team working on it for crying out loud |
| 09:56.41 | Oleg_ | konqueror is not so actively maintained now? really? |
| 09:56.47 | cfraz89 | nooooo |
| 09:56.50 | Oleg_ | isn't it the main browser for kde? |
| 09:56.54 | cfraz89 | nooooo |
| 09:57.01 | cfraz89 | rekonq is probably the closest |
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| 09:57.08 | cfraz89 | but doesnt really have a browser right now |
| 09:57.29 | cb400f | pretty sure most kde users use firefox.. followed by chrome.. then opera.. then rekonq/konq |
| 09:57.29 | Oleg_ | didn't know that konqueror is kinda obsolete now |
| 09:57.34 | cb400f | but rekonq is the rising star |
| 09:57.47 | cb400f | webkit integration is progressing well in konq too though |
| 09:59.11 | Oleg_ | but firefox is still the best browser in existence? |
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| 09:59.33 | cfraz89 | maybe. chrome's pretty nice |
| 09:59.41 | cb400f | come on now, there's no answer for that |
| 09:59.49 | tehoirc | Opera, Chrome and Firefox all have their merits |
| 09:59.53 | sahko | sadly konqueror improvements being either khtml or webkit dont get as much attention as advances in other parts of kde imo. i dont remember the last time i read about konqueror in a release announcement.. |
| 09:59.59 | cb400f | what's "best" depends on your personal preferences and use-case |
| 10:00.38 | cfraz89 | but yeah, konq is pretty abandoned |
| 10:01.07 | Oleg_ | it will be replaced with rekonq? |
| 10:01.16 | sahko | not anytime soon |
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| 10:01.25 | cfraz89 | khtml is part of kde4 api |
| 10:01.36 | Oleg_ | but why do they still include the obsolete browser in kde 4.5.x series? |
| 10:01.37 | cb400f | what matters is what the distros do |
| 10:01.37 | cfraz89 | so konq will have its place for a bit |
| 10:01.47 | cb400f | e.g. in kubuntu rekonq is already the default |
| 10:01.55 | sahko | and btw replacing konq wasnt in rekonq's plans last i heard |
| 10:02.03 | sahko | rekonq aims to be small |
| 10:02.11 | cb400f | in opensuse firefox is the default.. mandriva too... not sure what fedora does |
| 10:02.33 | Oleg_ | but konqueror is an obsolete browser! which means that kde doesn't really have its own browser |
| 10:02.36 | cfraz89 | might check out rekonq git now, see what its up to |
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| 10:03.17 | sahko | Oleg_: konqueror isnt just a browser... |
| 10:03.19 | cb400f | Oleg_: what the hell are you talking about? .. aren't konq and rekonq browsers? and aren't they kde? |
| 10:03.41 | sahko | konqueror isnt just a *web* browser... |
| 10:03.54 | cb400f | rekonq is very actively developed |
| 10:03.58 | Oleg_ | but konqueror is abandoned |
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| 10:04.16 | tehoirc | Is that even true? |
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| 10:04.27 | cb400f | no it's not.. it's just progressing slowly.. but it might attract more attention as webkit integration improves |
| 10:04.28 | sahko | theres parts of kde much more abandoned than konqueror |
| 10:04.38 | sahko | and far less useful as well |
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| 10:06.03 | Oleg_ | I definitely believe that kde's UI is more comfortable than the UI of windows 7 |
| 10:06.38 | tehoirc | Windows 7 looks horrible because it doesn't have integrity |
| 10:06.57 | tehoirc | but effects like aero glass are damn beatiful, atleast if you ask me |
| 10:07.12 | tehoirc | and the new superbar is probably the best panel ever :d |
| 10:08.03 | cb400f | but it won't improve for 3-8 years :-) |
| 10:08.03 | tehoirc | well, I guess nowadays "linux"-side docks can do just about all that superbar can do and more |
| 10:08.12 | cb400f | kde will make a big jump forward every 6 months |
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| 10:08.31 | tehoirc | yeah, that's one of the biggest reasons why I use KDE |
| 10:08.38 | tehoirc | following the developement is just... nice. |
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| 10:11.13 | Oleg_ | I am compiling rekonq-0.6.1 now |
| 10:11.18 | Oleg_ | is this version recent enough? |
| 10:11.45 | cfraz89 | its pretty good |
| 10:11.50 | tehoirc | Well the git version is quite broken for me with KDE 4.6 beta 2 |
| 10:12.10 | cfraz89 | tehoirc: oh crap thats what im about to try |
| 10:12.38 | tehoirc | mostly graphical glitches, worth of the try anyway :p |
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| 10:15.12 | cfraz89 | ah ok if it runs its doing better than the build i have :D |
| 10:15.48 | tehoirc | I would say it's hit and miss, yesterday it loaded pages fast, now it doesn't o.o |
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| 10:19.19 | Oleg_ | rekonq displays fonts in the same fucked up way |
| 10:19.36 | sahko | yeah, the KDE way |
| 10:19.43 | sahko | :) |
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| 10:20.40 | cfraz89 | make them smaller, then its all good :) |
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| 10:22.10 | cfraz89 | boo i still have the webkit crash |
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| 10:44.20 | ezzy | Hi sound in KDE is not working after I upgraded from 4.5.3 -> 4.5.4 |
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| 11:05.17 | hellnest | ezzy: what sound? |
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| 11:05.48 | OsamaK | Can someone check if http://trisquel.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pZBVaugG is a reported bug (against 4.5.4)? |
| 11:06.37 | ezzy | hellnest, no kde sounds are working everything else does. |
| 11:07.21 | hellnest | do you mean login sounds and notification sound |
| 11:08.27 | ezzy | yes |
| 11:08.57 | ezzy | under sound and configuration there are no cards or devices to choose from its blank. |
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| 11:09.54 | hellnest | reinstall phonon-xine |
| 11:10.01 | hellnest | see if it works or not :) |
| 11:10.14 | ezzy | all right |
| 11:10.21 | thiago | OsamaK: you can check by going to bugs.kde.org |
| 11:11.10 | ezzy | hellnest, you want me to reinstall an mp3player???? |
| 11:11.10 | ezzy | D: |
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| 11:11.39 | hellnest | ezzy: lol mp3 player? which player you use? |
| 11:11.50 | hellnest | try re-install phonon first |
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| 11:12.46 | ezzy | oh I guess I wam wrong it is the multi media api I'll see if it works :P |
| 11:12.50 | ezzy | I saw "xine" was like wtf |
| 11:13.00 | hellnest | :D |
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| 11:15.18 | ezzy | All right restart X see if this bs work |
| 11:15.19 | ezzy | :D |
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| 11:16.36 | ezzy | no dice |
| 11:16.44 | ezzy | it still says audio playback isn't working... |
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| 11:17.15 | hellnest | which distribution u use? |
| 11:17.21 | ezzy | gentoo |
| 11:17.47 | hellnest | system-settings --> multimedia ---> backend |
| 11:18.49 | ezzy | ::lulz:: |
| 11:18.57 | ezzy | why did that stuff change |
| 11:19.00 | ezzy | T.T |
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| 11:19.08 | ezzy | thanks for putting up with my nonsense =] |
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| 11:19.32 | tim | hi, after an upgrade to kde 4.6 b2, the gpg integration into kmail is broken. gpg-agent is running, and tools like kleopatra work fine as well. is this a known issue or maybe even a solution for this? |
| 11:20.29 | ezzy | hellnest, kde hangs at startup is there a log file somewhere that I can check to see what is going on I have a feeling its some timeout.... |
| 11:21.11 | hellnest | dmesg |
| 11:21.25 | hellnest | and take a look inside /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:22.07 | ezzy | yea checked those |
| 11:22.26 | ezzy | maybe it was due to the sound I dono I'll get to the bottom of it later. |
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| 11:25.12 | thiago | tim: it works for me |
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| 11:25.23 | thiago | tim: try this on the command-line: echo hello | gpg -s |
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| 11:27.36 | hellnest | ezzy: ^^..good, already try KDE 4.6? i'm instresting to try gentoo also |
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| 11:28.15 | tim | thiago: it gives me: http://pastebin.com/tTxBZsHD |
| 11:28.24 | ezzy | hellnest, I'll wait till january thanks :P |
| 11:28.59 | ezzy | hellnest, whats new btw? |
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| 11:29.42 | thiago | tim: did you get the pinentry window showing up? |
| 11:29.51 | tim | thiago: no |
| 11:30.12 | thiago | tim: then your gpg-agent isn't properly configured |
| 11:30.18 | thiago | your problem is not kmail |
| 11:30.27 | tim | thiago: pinentry is installed, though |
| 11:30.35 | thiago | which version of gnupg2 do you have installed? |
| 11:30.40 | hellnest | ezzy: only "Hal"less and big improvement in stability and performance. Especially Dolphin and Kwin :) |
| 11:30.43 | thiago | 2.0.14 and 2.0.15 are busted. Use 13 or 16. |
| 11:30.54 | tim | thiago: well it started when installing the kde 4.6 beta ;) |
| 11:31.04 | thiago | tim: still a gpg-agent problem |
| 11:31.16 | tim | thiago: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.14 |
| 11:31.26 | ezzy | hellnest, performance improvements o.o hmmm |
| 11:31.27 | thiago | upgrade or downgrade |
| 11:31.32 | thiago | tim: 2.0.14 is buste |
| 11:31.32 | thiago | d |
| 11:31.36 | ezzy | hellnest, big ones you say? |
| 11:31.51 | hellnest | ezzy: for me it's a big one :) much stable tha 4.5 |
| 11:31.55 | hellnest | and faster |
| 11:31.58 | hellnest | haha |
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| 11:32.27 | ezzy | hmmm I guess I'll check it out then I'll install it now in matter of fact got me side tracked ^^ |
| 11:33.14 | tim | thiago: i'll try ... it seems 2.0.14 is part of both ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04, though |
| 11:33.26 | thiago | tim: they need to fix it |
| 11:33.35 | howlymowly | hi poeple.. what happened with opendesktop.org? and kde-look.org? seems they are down... |
| 11:33.51 | thiago | howlymowly: read the blogs |
| 11:34.13 | howlymowly | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.36 | thiago | http://hanschen.org/2010/12/16/what-has-happened-to-the-dot-the-kde-forums-and-the-kde-wikis/ |
| 11:37.58 | howlymowly | hmm. thiago and opendesktop.org is also moving to new servers? (because it doesn't say anything specific about that in the blog) |
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| 11:40.55 | thiago | howlymowly: that's the only news I have |
| 11:41.12 | hellnest | howlymowly: when it finish ? i can't access all opendesktop related stuff |
| 11:41.16 | howlymowly | hmm. kk.. thx thiago :) |
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| 11:41.42 | howlymowly | hellnest: that's why I am asking here, too :) |
| 11:42.04 | howlymowly | I will ask that question in kde-developers.. hold on.. |
| 11:42.12 | hellnest | lol |
| 11:42.55 | pinotree | howlymowly: we don't maintain the opendesktop sites |
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| 11:44.11 | howlymowly | pinotree: yeah.. but maybe kde-guys have some more information about that.. I mean after all KDE is closely intertwined with opendesktop and kde-look |
| 11:44.22 | howlymowly | thats part of the functionality of KDE |
| 11:44.24 | pinotree | nope |
| 11:45.08 | howlymowly | pinotree: well at least on *my* desktop there is for example the button "get new wallpapers" or "get new icons" or "get new plasma-themes" etcetc.... |
| 11:45.18 | howlymowly | and all this is not working, when opendesktop.org is down |
| 11:45.46 | pinotree | so? we don't maintain that site, so asking about the down of that site will give you no replies |
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| 11:47.41 | howlymowly | pinotree: that#s not a very constructive discussion.. maybe you could instead point me to someone who may have an answer to that question :)? |
| 11:48.22 | bigbrovar | I have this issue when I try to setup extended view external monitor on kde 4.5 my main workspace shows up on the external monitor and not my laptop as I would like it to |
| 11:48.26 | Ash-Fox | I sent an Internet to my staff. |
| 11:48.54 | pinotree | howlymowly: karlitschek@kde.org |
| 11:49.00 | Ash-Fox | ack, channel changed, damn touchpad |
| 11:49.16 | bigbrovar | Normally the empty workspace should be the one to show up on the external monitor and not my main workspace (with all the panels and widgets) |
| 11:49.24 | pinotree | that's the email of Frank Karlitschek, responsible for the opendesktop sites |
| 11:49.26 | bigbrovar | is there a way I can revert this |
| 11:49.36 | howlymowly | bigbrovar: I had that problem, too.. I think I changed this, using xrandr-commands |
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| 11:50.22 | bigbrovar | howlymowly: I am not familiar with xrandr-command. what command did you use? |
| 11:51.27 | howlymowly | you are using the kde- gui for this, right? |
| 11:52.05 | bigbrovar | yes |
| 11:52.34 | bigbrovar | I am using the gui from systemsettings |
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| 11:53.29 | howlymowly | hmm. you can for example do: try the command xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output VGA --auto what does happen then? |
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| 11:54.19 | bigbrovar | howlymowly: warning: output LVDS not found; ignoring warning: output VGA not found; ignoring |
| 11:55.05 | howlymowly | ahh.. ok. sorry.. bigbrovar are you on a laptop? |
| 11:55.23 | bigbrovar | howlymowly: yes I am |
| 11:55.52 | howlymowly | sorry i gav you the wrong command.. xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output VGA1 --auto |
| 11:56.05 | howlymowly | a "1" needs to be behinf LVDS and VGA |
| 11:56.09 | howlymowly | *behind |
| 11:57.34 | howlymowly | if this does not change the order of your screens try: xrandr --output LVDS1 --primary if you want your laptop screen to be the primary screen otherwise use VGA1 instead of LVDS1 |
| 11:57.51 | bigbrovar | howlymowly: ran the command and it returned me quietly returned me back to my prompt |
| 11:58.28 | howlymowly | howlymowly: try the command with the "primary" option |
| 11:58.45 | howlymowly | jesus.. i mean bigbrovar: try the command with the "--primary" option |
| 11:59.28 | juhaj | Does anyone understand why the following happens: I use stalonetray as my systray, not plasma. Most systray icons from kde4 software stay hidden (klipper and akregator are the only exceptions), unless I press the Fn key, which causes them to momentarily appear (for as long as I press the key) and then vanish again. |
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| 12:00.44 | juhaj | I can unhide the icons by closing stalonetray, loading plasma systray, clicking on the "show hidden icons" button, closing the tray and reloading stalonetray, but that only affects icons currently hidden: it does not affect any new programs I start or if I close one of the current ones and restart that |
| 12:01.09 | howlymowly | thx pinotree for that email |
| 12:01.45 | howlymowly | bigbrovar: does the primary command work for you? |
| 12:02.51 | bigbrovar | howlymowly: yeah thanks it did :) |
| 12:03.00 | bigbrovar | howlymowly: thanks alot |
| 12:03.11 | howlymowly | np :) |
| 12:03.47 | howlymowly | bigbrovar: I put a little script in the autostart folder with this command.. so it gets enabled automatically with each start up of KDE |
| 12:04.58 | bigbrovar | Thanks I think that would be cool. But I don't have the external monitor plugged everytime is that a problem? |
| 12:05.12 | bigbrovar | I only use it when I need to do some work like video editing and stuff |
| 12:05.30 | howlymowly | nope, no problem, xrandr can handle this |
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| 12:07.38 | bigbrovar | thanks again I would do that |
| 12:09.39 | bigbrovar | howlymowly: just to be sure this is the autostart directory /.kde/share/autostart ? |
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| 12:10.28 | howlymowly | bigbrovar: its easier to this in the GUI: system-settings -> startup and shutdown -> autostart |
| 12:10.40 | howlymowly | -> add script |
| 12:10.50 | howlymowly | this will automatically put a script in the right folder |
| 12:11.36 | howlymowly | *to do this |
| 12:11.48 | howlymowly | my spelling tooday is really aweful... |
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| 12:13.42 | bigbrovar | howlymowly: added .. thanks so much. learnt alot today :) |
| 12:13.48 | bigbrovar | howlymowly: ++++ |
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| 12:14.33 | howlymowly | thx for the flowers ^^ |
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| 13:16.40 | einar77 | lamefun: because opendesktop.org is down at the moment |
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| 13:43.53 | pingusman | how can change the size of the icon of the kickoff (in KDE) ? |
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| 13:49.36 | profoX` | Hi! Can I use the plasma network management app to share my wireless internet connection? I used to be able to do this with older KDE and GNOME versions I believe |
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| 13:50.50 | sahko | that thing is so broken, its not even capable of keeping one internet connection, and you want to share it too? |
| 13:51.02 | profoX` | sahko: so what should I use instead ? |
| 13:51.59 | profoX` | sahko: I just want to share my wireless connection by creating something like an ad-hoc access point.. I haven't been able to do this for quite some time.. |
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| 13:53.25 | sahko | i dont know, have you tried with nm since you already have it? |
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| 13:54.06 | ezzy | Hey how do I install gnome? |
| 13:55.34 | profoX` | sahko: the problem is that the plasmoid applet in KDE 4 doesn't support it.. what is the preferred way for managing internet connections nowadays then? |
| 13:55.40 | pinotree | ezzy: ask in the channel of your distro |
| 13:55.42 | cb400f | profoX`: if the gnomer applet works for you, just use that |
| 13:56.07 | ezzy | lmao |
| 13:56.23 | sahko | profoX`: nm-applet |
| 13:56.29 | sahko | indeed like cb400f said |
| 13:56.59 | profoX` | cb400f: I don't know how to run it.. If I start "nm-applet" it says "An instance of nm-applet is already running" |
| 13:57.34 | cb400f | you can't run multiple applets at the same time... remove the plasmoid.. then restart networkmanager.. then launch nm-applet |
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| 13:59.29 | pinotree | ezzy: ? |
| 13:59.51 | ezzy | pinotree: oh umm thank you very much =] |
| 13:59.58 | pumphaus | pinotree: don't feed the troll... |
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| 14:01.08 | ezzy | excuse my idiocy I for some reason had an urge to ask |
| 14:01.09 | profoX_ | cb400f: that didn't seem to work.. it still said that an instance was already running, I removed the plasmoid, restarted the network-manager service and then "kde daemon" apparently crashed, when I tried to run nm-applet I got the same error that an instance was already running |
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| 14:18.57 | cb400f | profoX__: prolly cuz the nm-plasmoid was automatically started.. better uninstall it completely |
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| 14:37.50 | ezzy | Are the packages for "KDE 6" really tagged with version 4.5.85 ? |
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| 14:40.21 | Mamarok | ezzy: you mean KDE 4.6 beta 2 I guess, yes, that is 4.5.85 |
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| 14:41.42 | ezzy | mamarok, ah ok thanks |
| 14:42.02 | Mamarok | ezzy: you are weolcome :) |
| 14:42.14 | Mamarok | oops, typo, welcome :) |
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| 14:45.47 | ezzy | =] |
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| 15:39.46 | OsamaK | jorn, http://www.mail-archive.com/aspell-user@gnu.org/msg01119.html |
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| 15:51.18 | OldMonk | hi, what would be the best way to lockdown a desktop so that it only has one specific application icon and auto launches one more app on startup? |
| 15:51.38 | OldMonk | no panel, menu, or anything needed, and the desktop should be immutable |
| 15:51.42 | d3x | OldMonk, i'd suggest to not use kde in this case |
| 15:52.09 | OldMonk | d3x: got another wm in mind? |
| 15:52.28 | cb400f | look at the 'kiosk' stuff |
| 15:52.35 | pinotree | OldMonk: see the system admisitrator section we have on http://techbase.kde.org |
| 15:52.53 | d3x | OldMonk, um... no WM, plain X :) |
| 15:53.12 | OldMonk | d3x: that might work, but only as a last resort |
| 15:53.19 | cb400f | I was thinking google chrome.. that won't let you do anything :-) |
| 15:53.25 | cb400f | chrome OS that is |
| 15:53.42 | OldMonk | this is going to be debian testing, that's already decided |
| 15:53.54 | OldMonk | pinotree: any specific article? |
| 15:54.04 | pinotree | the whole section |
| 15:54.27 | pinotree | http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration |
| 15:54.45 | OldMonk | pinotree: ah, right, i did see the kiosk settings there. |
| 15:54.56 | OldMonk | ok, can i disable the panel (kicker) altogether? |
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| 15:55.50 | ezzy | cb400f, lol you've tested it? |
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| 15:56.30 | cb400f | nah.. I've just read about it... and I was being sarcastic.. didn't want to recommend it :-) |
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| 15:56.47 | cb400f | .. it's just that it seems to come in kiosk mode straight from the vendor |
| 15:56.49 | OldMonk | cb400f: ah! |
| 15:57.10 | OldMonk | google following apple's principles? |
| 15:57.49 | cb400f | worse.. the whole os is just a webbrowser more or less as far as I understand |
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| 16:10.29 | OldMonk | thanks folks |
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| 17:43.06 | Cndy | how to open dolphin with administrator rights ? |
| 17:43.43 | annma | kdesu dolphin |
| 17:44.05 | Cndy | annma: what if I do "sudo dolphin" ? |
| 17:44.46 | annma | should work |
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| 17:45.33 | Cndy | annma: what different between sudo and kdesu ? |
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| 17:48.43 | James147 | Cndy: its not recomended to use sudo |
| 17:49.48 | James147 | Cndy: kdesu will open dolphin as root in roots directory (using /root as the home) sudo wont, it will use your home... this can cause problems with config files being owned by root where they shouldnt be |
| 17:49.50 | _DerHorst_ | sudo is for using shell tools, kdesu is when you open programs with a graphical user interface |
| 17:51.07 | Cndy | good |
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| 18:08.48 | sabayonuser__ | hi |
| 18:09.27 | sabayonuser__ | I'm running sabayon linux. now I'll try to install something and get following error: Failed to determine KDEDIR! |
| 18:09.37 | sabayonuser__ | any ideas how to fix that one? |
| 18:10.27 | Cndy | sabayonuser__: are you using their package manager ? |
| 18:10.48 | sabayonuser__ | yes |
| 18:11.34 | Cndy | sabayonuser__: I recommed to ask about it on sabayon too. |
| 18:12.03 | sabayonuser__ | I did, and they said, that this channel here would maybe help |
| 18:12.19 | Cndy | sabayonuser__: I dislike sabayon ) |
| 18:13.52 | sabayonuser__ | I'm new to sabayon ... I'm trying to fall in love with it ... :-) |
| 18:17.22 | hellnest | fall in luv & Disconnected... what a life |
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| 18:20.00 | Cndy | hellnest: I guess he want uninstall Sabayon :D |
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| 18:23.19 | hellnest | Cndy: lol.. i guess so :P the distro channel also can't handle his complaint :P |
| 18:24.42 | Cndy | hellnest: so ... this is offtopic here but just I saw damngod make.conf sabayon file and saw how many trash there :) I have no idea of ther package managers 's point. There is no point at all. I tryed sabayon once, but I did it wrong ) I changed make.conf and rebuild all system level and their package manager doesn't worked for me anympore ) so I removed all sabayon stuff and get a normal gentoo >_< what I want to say ... is I personally dislike Sabayon. |
| 18:26.33 | hellnest | lol :P never try sabayon :P |
| 18:26.37 | hellnest | gentoo is good? |
| 18:27.11 | Cndy | hellnest: I like it :) But I'm using Funtoo but this is also offtopic here and people must blame us for this discussion ) |
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| 18:28.30 | hellnest | lol ::P |
| 18:28.47 | hellnest | nah it's ok... there's no one talking in this room anyway |
| 18:28.55 | hellnest | ^^ |
| 18:29.10 | hellnest | will research about your distro now :) |
| 18:29.14 | pinotree | (not an excuse, FYI) |
| 18:29.29 | Cndy | hellnest: no matters if there is noone talking here , people will blame you for offtopic anyways ) |
| 18:29.35 | Cndy | hellnest: just /j funtoo ) |
| 18:29.50 | ddoman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.13 | hellnest | lol |
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| 18:34.51 | BajK_ | and my acitivty "personal desktop" which I was believing I was using (which I ever was!) is just empty |
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| 19:53.53 | nirazio | I'm with a little problem here. This version of KDE (4.5.1 - default of Kubuntu) has a strange thing with Dolphin - the file manager. When I click on a menu entry it becomes active (blue) but when I click on the window content it goes lighter. How do i set permantely to blue? That is, how can I have the blue color even when I click on the content window? |
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| 21:34.21 | cobexer | where does kde4 store the state of active / inactive services? |
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| 22:08.28 | metallico | guys, what was the name of that package kde-addons or kde-plugins or something like that? |
| 22:09.11 | cb400f | better ask your distro about that.. or at least specify what the package you want is supposed to do |
| 22:09.52 | metallico | well, someone told me about the package here, i aksed how to get the interactive globe as wallpaper |
| 22:09.56 | comawhite | sweet 3 days until RC :D |
| 22:10.36 | cb400f | then it's kdeplasma-addons I guess.. but your distro might name it differently |
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| 22:11.14 | pinotree | metallico: the marble wallpaper is part of the kdeplasma-addons sources, but in the end it depends on the distro where it packages that wallpaper |
| 22:11.18 | metallico | that's exactly the package |
| 22:11.20 | metallico | thanks |
| 22:12.11 | metallico | i installed it some time ago and it worked, but now when i try to set the globe as wall paper, KDE freezes |
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| 22:12.28 | metallico | so i am doing a reinstall to try to fix it now |
| 22:14.15 | metallico | need to reboot |
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| 22:23.10 | gtklocker | msx: you suck! |
| 22:23.14 | gtklocker | :P |
| 22:23.17 | msx | gtklocker: haha |
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| 22:23.49 | msx | gtklocker: i'm looking for a emule qt4 client, know one? |
| 22:24.04 | gtklocker | no, I've stopped using emule since 2008 |
| 22:24.13 | msx | O_O |
| 22:24.15 | cb400f | kmldonkey |
| 22:24.21 | msx | cb400f: hi, thanks! |
| 22:24.29 | cb400f | never had much luck with it myself.. so I just use amule |
| 22:25.50 | msx | since i have to left my pc on then let's share something, everything with the people ;) |
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| 22:28.06 | sreich | :) |
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