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| 00:04.24 | enkidu | NOMADICUS: it is strange, because you shouldnt have gnome and kde session running simultaneously |
| 00:05.41 | NOMADICUS | enkidu: I am not entirely sure though, this looks like Gnome, how can I check to be sure? |
| 00:06.25 | enkidu | NOMADICUS: if you are running gnome, logout and choose KDE in session manager |
| 00:06.44 | enkidu | right now gnome manages kde windows on its way |
| 00:07.19 | NOMADICUS | enkidu: I did that. |
| 00:07.52 | enkidu | so its just metacity, that is running,when kwin4 fails to start |
| 00:09.01 | enkidu | ask on debian channel, what they messed up this time |
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| 00:11.08 | maazu | i gotta go |
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| 00:12.11 | NOMADICUS | enkidu: Ok, thanks. |
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| 00:42.51 | enkidu | is anyone here using devel kde version |
| 00:42.52 | enkidu | ? |
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| 00:48.17 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 00:48.26 | Wolfcastle | any idea how I can change the agent id in rekonq? |
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| 01:01.07 | comawhite | Wolfcastle: try asking in #rekonq |
| 01:01.59 | Wolfcastle | ok thanx comawhite |
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| 01:40.56 | djzn | which is the package that has the full oxygene theme inside KDE? |
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| 02:47.37 | deathnote[] | hello |
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| 03:12.25 | djzn | is it possible to resize the mouse pointer in KDE ? |
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| 03:30.23 | astropirate | How do i remove the system wide short cut Ctr+F from opening up the console? |
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| 03:38.39 | djustice | astropirate: systemsettings? |
| 03:38.48 | djustice | but um.. ctr+f doesnt open a konsole here.. |
| 03:39.04 | djustice | i use yakuake + ctrl+space |
| 03:39.11 | astropirate | djustice, yah i looked up there and it wasn't there |
| 03:39.14 | astropirate | very strange |
| 03:39.52 | djustice | no other app could be causing that? compiz maybe? some sort of hybrid kde setup? |
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| 03:49.50 | astropirate | djustice, sorry for late response i had to be afk. You migh tbe right that it MIGHT be a hybride set up as i am on ubunut and i installed KDE to try it out. I love it excpet for some quirks. but i never had that setting on gnome |
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| 05:19.22 | gkffcks | Hey all, after upgrading my distro to a version with kde4.5, I installed the smooth tasks plasmoid. It crashed, killing X and. I had to hard reboot... I couldn't even escape to a different tty, anyway, now I can't run any kde application at all, they all give me Dbus errors! I really need to fix this, I don't mind using gnome as a desktop but I am very reliant on the Kate text editor where I do most of my work. Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 05:46.16 | gkffcks | No suggestions? |
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| 06:07.57 | yao_ziyuan | where can i find popularity polls for DEs (gnome vs. kde)? |
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| 06:12.50 | yao_ziyuan | considering mainstream distros (ubuntu, fedora, opensuse) still use gnome as their default live cd and installer means, gnome is made more popular. |
| 06:13.39 | yao_ziyuan | but why? why do these big three brands all use gnome in their default editions? |
| 06:14.49 | leo_rockway | yao_ziyuan: same reason why Windows still has the majority of market and QWERTY is still the most used keyboard layout? o.o |
| 06:15.52 | zatricky | Hey guys, please direct me if this is the wrong place - I'm having an issue where all windows seem to be "below" the desktop - I have to set every window to "Keep Above Others" in order to do any work. :-( (ArchLinux, KDE4.5.2) |
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| 06:28.30 | zatricky | Seems to be resolved after a kluge - changed the KDE panel's "auto-hide" settings, now unable to reproduce |
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| 07:09.26 | Kalidarn | regarding some problems with the digital clock where would be the best place to talk about this what I think is a bug. |
| 07:09.54 | Kalidarn | the first problem I've found sometimes when logging in (and using the Nimbus Sans L font) the clock looks like this http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9288/borkedtextnimbussansl.png |
| 07:11.01 | Kalidarn | the second problem I've found is that there's not enough room or rather border on the clock and some text gets cut off for example it looks fine when the widget is unlocked like this: http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9973/unlockedd.png but when it is locked it's very difficult to see the t http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6040/cutoffclock.png |
| 07:11.41 | Kalidarn | also I'm using a nvidia card. |
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| 07:16.40 | Kalidarn | the third problem I've found and (I'm using Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1) sometimes when I login I see a strange square http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1867/strangesquare.png I'm wonddering if anyone else sees this strange square, seems the only way to make it go away is to log out or disable and then re-enable compositing effects |
| 07:19.03 | deathnote[] | Hello |
| 07:19.40 | deathnote[] | I need help understanding automatic touch pad control |
| 07:20.08 | deathnote[] | What is eaxctly Ignore these keys mean? |
| 07:20.41 | deathnote[] | When keyboard activity is dectected and disable the mouse pad |
| 07:20.47 | deathnote[] | touchpad? |
| 07:21.18 | Kalidarn | http://synaptiks.lunaryorn.de/handbook/automatic-touchpad-control.html |
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| 07:24.12 | deathnote[] | When keyboard activity is dectected and disable the mouse pad "Depending on your personal preferences, you might not want the touchpad to be switched off, if you press modifier keys like Ctrl or Alt." -- I would assume means when I press one of those keys, the touchpad will be disabled -- Ok .... it then continues: "The ignore these keys" and this is where I got lost |
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| 08:04.24 | Kalidarn | hmm its never usually so quite in here |
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| 08:04.39 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: sunday morning in europe |
| 08:04.45 | Kalidarn | ah |
| 08:04.53 | Sho_ | and night in the us |
| 08:04.55 | Kalidarn | hey Sho_ perhaps you can answer my question |
| 08:05.02 | Sho_ | i can try, what is it? |
| 08:05.08 | Kalidarn | regarding some problems with the digital clock where would be the best place to talk about this what I think is a bug. |
| 08:05.16 | Kalidarn | the first problem I've found sometimes when logging in (and using the Nimbus Sans L font) the clock looks like this http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9288/borkedtextnimbussansl.png |
| 08:05.22 | Kalidarn | the second problem I've found is that there's not enough room or rather border on the clock and some text gets cut off for example it looks fine when the widget is unlocked like this: http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9973/unlockedd.png but when it is locked it's very difficult to see the t http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6040/cutoffclock.png |
| 08:05.28 | Kalidarn | the third problem I've found and (I'm using Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.1) sometimes when I login I see a strange square http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1867/strangesquare.png I'm wonddering if anyone else sees this strange square, seems the only way to make it go away is to log out or disable and then re-enable compositing effects |
| 08:05.37 | Kalidarn | also I'm using a nvidia card. |
| 08:06.04 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: I have the strange square, too |
| 08:06.14 | Kalidarn | okay so that must be a KDE bug |
| 08:06.16 | Kalidarn | what distribution? |
| 08:06.26 | Sho_ | Fedora, KDE 4.5.x, nvidia blob |
| 08:06.27 | Kalidarn | i forget what you use |
| 08:06.33 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: I recommend #plasma, in particular notmart and aseigo |
| 08:06.39 | Kalidarn | yep im using proprietary nvidia drivers too |
| 08:07.00 | Kalidarn | those are probably all plasma bugs |
| 08:07.14 | Kalidarn | one of them is more a design problem, to do with spacing |
| 08:07.30 | Kalidarn | the one with the overlapping text im not so sure about that is clearly not supposed to happen |
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| 08:07.41 | Kalidarn | i wonder if the square happens to ATI users |
| 08:07.49 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: yeah. the strange square happens even with compositing off, so it seems to be internal to the plasma canvas. and the clock stuff looks like layout bugs (never seen them here though). |
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| 08:08.10 | Kalidarn | yeah might be font dependent |
| 08:08.20 | Kalidarn | i like Nimbus Sans L its nice and clear and easy to read |
| 08:12.25 | Kalidarn | Sho_: notmart and aseigo don't seem to be around right now perhaps i should email them |
| 08:12.42 | Kalidarn | i'd like to get these problems fixed by the next kde release. |
| 08:13.12 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: direct mails to devs aren't that hot an idea, for async you're better off filing bugs on bugs.kde.org |
| 08:15.00 | Kalidarn | okay ill file both of those as bugs then on kde.org |
| 08:15.07 | Kalidarn | well really it's 3 bugs i guess. |
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| 08:18.08 | meandrain | hi |
| 08:18.19 | meandrain | it is possible to save documents on desktop on kde4? |
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| 08:18.51 | Kalidarn | meandrain: what do you mean by save documents on the desktop |
| 08:19.06 | Kalidarn | save to ~/Desktop and they appear on the desktop as icons? |
| 08:19.29 | meandrain | in kde35 i was able to right click and create a text file right on desktop |
| 08:19.48 | Kalidarn | yes u can do that. |
| 08:19.56 | Sho_ | meandrain: You can add a "Folder View" widget to the desktop and let it show any folder you want. You can also right-click the desktop and open the settings dialog from there, and then change the activity type to Folder View to have the desktop surface itself become an icon view. You can even combine the two by putting additional Folder View widgets on a Folder View activity. |
| 08:20.34 | meandrain | Sho_ : thanx |
| 08:20.39 | meandrain | and second question |
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| 08:21.01 | Kalidarn | infact i found when using gnome (yes i was a traitor i quit when KDE got all unstable and work i needed to get done needed getting done) that i could only create txt documents. |
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| 08:21.12 | Kalidarn | it seems that KDE lets me create openoffice documents and other things |
| 08:21.14 | meandrain | I've installed pidgin but I am not able to see when somebody write something to me. I want a small icon near clock on taskbar like it was on 3.5 |
| 08:21.32 | Kalidarn | meandrain: resize it |
| 08:21.41 | Kalidarn | i found this when i used pidgin i had to resize it |
| 08:21.50 | Sho_ | meandrain: As long as you have the System Tray widget in your taskbar (it is there by default) I think this is more a matter of Pidgin settings |
| 08:21.53 | oneforall | I have desktop activity and the right clcik to add divices etc isn't there. |
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| 08:22.02 | oneforall | thatfolder one I don't like |
| 08:22.21 | Kalidarn | yeah i didn't like the folderview but i ended up just getting used to it :P |
| 08:22.29 | meandrain | Perfect. I;ve changed desktop activity to folder view. That was what I was looking for |
| 08:22.56 | Sho_ | meandrain: Do also explore the ability to use Folder View as a widget on top of the desktop, though (as mentioned that even works when Folder View acts as the desktop itself) |
| 08:23.03 | meandrain | Sho_ I've removed System tray widget :D. I'll put it back |
| 08:23.10 | oneforall | na I don't like it |
| 08:23.17 | meandrain | I see |
| 08:23.24 | Sho_ | meandrain: That way you can have multiple folders accessible from your desktop. You can even set Folder Views to filter on file type. And since this is KDE, they can even show FTP servers or whatever. |
| 08:23.30 | Sho_ | It's very flexible :) |
| 08:23.40 | Kalidarn | yeah i have one for my private files |
| 08:24.17 | meandrain | niceee |
| 08:24.52 | meandrain | I don't know why I used kde35 for so long ... :D |
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| 08:25.07 | Sho_ | yeah KDE 4 has a lot of very powerful ideas |
| 08:25.15 | Sho_ | I loved KDE 3.5, but I wouldn't want to go back |
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| 08:30.35 | mounty | Hello, I'm a long-term KDE user but have never used the 'phone/PDA sychronisation facilities. How can I find out whether or not my phone (ZTE T165i) will work ? |
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| 08:30.53 | mounty | BTW, the software that is supplied with the 'phone is a load of non-functioning rubbish. |
| 08:31.17 | mounty | It isn't even a good Mess Windoze program. |
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| 08:39.08 | Kalidarn | Sho_: you there |
| 08:39.23 | Kalidarn | i can't seem to change the component https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254438 on that bug |
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| 08:39.42 | Kalidarn | oh wait nevermind i can |
| 08:40.02 | Sho_ | ok |
| 08:40.14 | Kalidarn | oh wait no i can't |
| 08:40.22 | Kalidarn | its set to general, and i should have set it to widget-clock |
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| 08:49.32 | meandrain | Sho_ : thank you for help, I did googled alot for "save documents on desktop kde4" and other keys but did not found anything helpful, but here it was very helpful (as always). Have a nice day |
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| 08:50.18 | Sho_ | :) |
| 08:51.12 | Kalidarn | Sho_: have you got a access to change that to widget-clock? |
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| 08:51.51 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: sure |
| 08:52.04 | Sho_ | changed |
| 08:52.36 | Kalidarn | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254439 |
| 08:52.41 | Kalidarn | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254440 |
| 08:52.51 | Kalidarn | i filed the other two there :P i don't think i left anything out |
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| 11:27.30 | Kalidarn | hmm anyone here got VLC |
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| 11:28.35 | Kalidarn | Sho_: u there. |
| 11:29.29 | Kalidarn | When i open a movie in full screen in VLC the OSD looks like this http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7271/vlcosdstrangeonkde4.png |
| 11:29.34 | Kalidarn | i wonder if it's a KDE bug or a VLC bug |
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| 11:29.42 | Kalidarn | it doesn't seem to happen when i run VLC in Gnome |
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| 11:33.27 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: it might depend on whether compositing is active |
| 11:34.14 | Kalidarn | good point i should turn it off and see if it does that |
| 11:34.30 | Sho_ | in any case I'd say it's a VLC bug, they are probably trying to make a fancy translucent OSD and doing it dumbly |
| 11:34.54 | quentin | Kalidarn, I have the same issue. Do you use XRendr? |
| 11:35.07 | quentin | and/or intel graphic drivers? |
| 11:35.28 | Kalidarn | no i've got nvidia drivers |
| 11:35.39 | Kalidarn | and i've disabled compositing features it still occurs |
| 11:35.45 | Kalidarn | nvidia proprietary |
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| 11:37.07 | quentin | Kalidarn, I don't know, but you shall report that bug in vlc. You're probably not the only one facing it |
| 11:37.18 | quentin | or first ask in #videolan |
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| 11:39.35 | yuking | It seems KDE4's desktop effects are not compatible with the last xorg-server when using opensource ati video driver? |
| 11:40.43 | Kalidarn | yeah i might ask in videolan |
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| 11:41.46 | yuking | It is ok when using nv's driver |
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| 11:43.19 | aekkie | Hi an alle |
| 11:43.36 | aekkie | Kann man bei KDE-Menu bei Faforiten Ordner anlegen, um seine Faforiten ähnlicherArt zu sammeln? |
| 11:43.46 | aekkie | KDE 4 |
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| 11:44.25 | aekkie | jemand da? |
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| 11:46.29 | Rapp | hi everybody! |
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| 11:47.12 | aekkie | hi |
| 11:47.20 | yuking | hi |
| 11:47.27 | Rapp | when i add notes and markings to a PDF in okular, i can see those in okular, but acrobat reader says there are no notes in the document. why? and how can i change that? |
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| 11:48.30 | yuking | Okular's notes are saved in a separated file, i do not think acrobat reader can see it. |
| 11:48.44 | Kalidarn | oh hats kind of annoying |
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| 11:48.51 | Kalidarn | Preview in MacOSX can save them to the pdf |
| 11:49.00 | Kalidarn | and they're viewable in acrobat |
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| 11:52.20 | Rapp | darn |
| 11:52.28 | Rapp | ok, so i will just redo them in acrobat. *sigh* |
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| 11:52.39 | Rapp | i mean, what good are notes that you cannot share? |
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| 11:53.08 | Rapp | Kalidarn: true. i could also switch over to the MBP, and just use preview |
| 11:53.50 | yuking | Or, use acrobat reader 4 linux. But I do not know whether it can share notes among OSs |
| 11:54.23 | Mamarok | what file carries the config settings for the panel and the SysTray? |
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| 11:57.46 | yuking | All settings are stored in ~/.kde/share/config |
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| 12:10.13 | Rapp | yuking: the acroread has very limited annotation capabilities, afaik. plus the program is totally sluggish. that's why i like okular and os x preview :) |
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| 12:15.09 | Mamarok | yuking: that was not my question, I want to know which config file is the one holding informations about the panel and the SysTray widget |
| 12:15.27 | Mamarok | plasma-desktoprc doesn, neither does plasma-appletsrc AFAICS |
| 12:15.40 | Sho_ | Mamarok: plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 12:16.47 | Mamarok | Sho_: thanks a bunch :) |
| 12:16.56 | Mamarok | sresu: see that^ |
| 12:17.24 | Sho_ | yw :) |
| 12:17.30 | yuking | Mamarok: in plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 12:17.44 | Mamarok | yuking: Sho_ just gave the answer :) |
| 12:17.52 | yuking | ï¼ï¼ |
| 12:17.53 | sresu | Mamarok: Yeah.. Thanks |
| 12:17.54 | yuking | :) |
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| 12:19.18 | Kalidarn | that vlc black OSD bug thing we've established it only happens in kde4, with/without compositing, doesn't happen in other environments and seems to occur with Nvidia proprietary, radeon, and intel drivers |
| 12:19.22 | Kalidarn | i wonder what i should look at next |
| 12:19.38 | sresu | Sho_: How plasma-desktop-appletsrc? |
| 12:20.17 | sresu | Oh.. gotcha |
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| 12:23.02 | Sho_ | Kalidarn: ask j-b in #phonon i guess (VLC lead dev) |
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| 12:24.14 | xanax` | hello |
| 12:24.33 | xanax` | is konqueror still going to be a file explorer ? |
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| 12:24.55 | Sho_ | yes |
| 12:25.18 | xanax` | and is dolphin really better ? |
| 12:25.45 | enkidu | afair they are sharing code |
| 12:25.56 | Sho_ | they do share code, yes |
| 12:26.05 | Sho_ | some prefer konqueror, some prefer dolphin |
| 12:26.05 | Sho_ | it's up to you really |
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| 12:27.07 | xanax` | i like konqueror because you can emulate a console inside konqueror, and the path is "sync" to the main view :-) |
| 12:27.29 | Sho_ | you can emulate console inside dolphin too |
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| 12:27.40 | xanax` | i didn't find it .. :-( |
| 12:27.51 | Sho_ | view -> panels -> terminal |
| 12:27.57 | xanax` | I could only open a terminal with a button |
| 12:28.04 | Sho_ | see above |
| 12:28.31 | xanax` | that's what I mean.. it opens a terminal but not inside the main view |
| 12:28.49 | Sho_ | not |
| 12:28.51 | Sho_ | no, rather |
| 12:29.03 | Sho_ | you are talking about tools -> open terminal |
| 12:29.06 | Sho_ | I'm talking about view -> panels -> terminal as I said |
| 12:29.21 | xanax` | oh |
| 12:29.26 | xanax` | thank you ! |
| 12:29.34 | Sho_ | np |
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| 12:30.55 | enkidu | someone familiar with kde from trunk? |
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| 12:31.18 | Kalidarn | hmmm apparently VLC just uses the setWindowOpacity() method |
| 12:31.43 | Sho_ | enkidu: well, I have a trunk build, yes |
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| 12:46.54 | enkidu | Sho_: i have several problems. kded4 dies with "illegal instruction" signal, so does krunner |
| 12:47.14 | enkidu | kmail looks like this: http://enkidu.eu/kmail.png |
| 12:47.30 | enkidu | (no kmail folders listed) |
| 12:47.50 | pinotree | did you compile kde on your own? |
| 12:48.40 | enkidu | no, it is distro build |
| 12:48.45 | pinotree | which distro? |
| 12:48.52 | enkidu | mandriva cooker |
| 12:49.31 | pinotree | too strict compiling flags? worth ask in the distro channel |
| 12:49.41 | enkidu | okay, i will |
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| 13:14.11 | urkud | Hi! What is the reason to have various plugins (say, sonnet plugins) in kdelibs, not kdebase-runtime? |
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| 13:17.49 | pinotree | urkud: like, using private api? |
| 13:18.59 | urkud | Thanks, will check which of them use private api. |
| 13:19.07 | pinotree | all? |
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| 13:22.01 | pinotree | urkud: the api for sonnet plugins is private |
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| 13:29.54 | Kalidarn | pinotree: I'm trying to figure out where I should report a bug about VLC's opacity in fullscreen on it's OSD, it currently looks like this: http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7271/vlcosdstrangeonkde4.png in KDE4. I've talked to a number of people and we've discovered this bug only occurs in KDE4 with or without compositing effects (it makes no difference) it doesn't seem to happen in Gnome compiz-fusion. It happens with all 3 drivers radeon, intel and |
| 13:30.35 | pinotree | ... and your message was truncated |
| 13:30.42 | Kalidarn | oh. |
| 13:30.43 | pinotree | sorry no, i have no idea |
| 13:30.56 | Kalidarn | I've talked to a number of people and we've discovered this bug only occurs in KDE4 with or without compositing effects (it makes no difference) it doesn't seem to happen in Gnome compiz-fusion. |
| 13:31.00 | Kalidarn | It happens with all 3 drivers radeon, intel and nvidia proprietary it's been tested so it's obviously not a driver problem. I talked to the funman a VLC developer and he said that VLC uses the setWindowOpacity() method for handling transparency on VLC's OSD. |
| 13:31.22 | Kalidarn | basically if it's not a driver problem, and it's not really a vlc problem as it works in other environments would it be able to be reported on bugs.kde.org? |
| 13:31.26 | Kalidarn | perhaps it's a Qt bug |
| 13:31.48 | Kalidarn | i'd need some help to further research it :( |
| 13:32.08 | pumphaus | I'd rather think it's kwin then |
| 13:32.08 | Kalidarn | as i'm not very experienced with developing with qt |
| 13:32.25 | Kalidarn | yeah that's what was suggested also it's probably a window manager bug |
| 13:32.53 | pumphaus | you could try again with metacity |
| 13:33.00 | pumphaus | and see if it happens there as well |
| 13:33.07 | pumphaus | if it doesn't, file a KWin bug |
| 13:33.08 | Kalidarn | yeah i was using gnome and it works fine in that |
| 13:33.16 | pumphaus | well, there you are :) |
| 13:33.19 | Kalidarn | not metacity on KDE though |
| 13:33.28 | pumphaus | that shouldn't matter |
| 13:33.45 | pumphaus | file a bug for kwin. worst thing that can happen is that the kwin devs tell you this is not their fault. |
| 13:34.10 | Kalidarn | i guess :) |
| 13:34.28 | Kalidarn | what i might do is in my kubuntu vm that i have |
| 13:34.33 | Kalidarn | use KDE4 and then kill kwin4 |
| 13:34.37 | Kalidarn | and run a different window manager |
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| 13:35.06 | Kalidarn | i know then if it works in kde4 with a different window manager it must be the window manager |
| 13:35.06 | pinotree | use $YOURWINDOWMANAGER --replace, instead of killing the running one |
| 13:35.13 | Kalidarn | ah |
| 13:35.17 | sithlord48 | can anyone here tell me how i can use the okteta:"bytearraycolumnview in my project? i seam to get compile errors when i try to use it |
| 13:36.06 | mgraesslin | Kalidarn: I doubt that this is a kwin bug |
| 13:37.03 | Kalidarn | i have a kubuntu vm i might just apt-get install lubuntu-desktop |
| 13:37.19 | mgraesslin | Kalidarn: reason "it happens with and without compositing" <- kwin is not responsible at all for rendering when compositing is suspended |
| 13:37.26 | Kalidarn | that will include a nice small DE i can run or i can choose to run JUST the window manager |
| 13:37.44 | Kalidarn | yeah it doesn't seem to make a difference :P |
| 13:37.57 | Kalidarn | hmm i see what you mean |
| 13:38.38 | mgraesslin | a vm might even be a bad place to test at all |
| 13:38.52 | Kalidarn | i did think about that. |
| 13:39.11 | Kalidarn | but i might do that first. |
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| 13:40.34 | Kalidarn | desktop effects are working in the VM fine though, so is glxinfo |grep Direct |
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| 13:51.12 | Kalidarn | okay happens in freshly installed kubuntu-desktop + vlc, now installing metacity and we'll see what happens :) |
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| 13:58.30 | Kalidarn | mgraesslin: yeah you're right it does happen with metacity even in kde |
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| 14:28.49 | soa2ii | Is there a Kontact in 4.5.2? I just have 4.4.* here on gentoo ⦠isn't it ready yet? |
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| 14:37.50 | sithlord48 | soa2ii: what version of kontact is that ? |
| 14:38.11 | soa2ii | sithlord48: Right now I use 4.4.5 |
| 14:38.28 | soa2ii | There is a 4.4.6 availabel but my entire KDE is 4.5.2 |
| 14:38.35 | sithlord48 | soa2ii: using 4.5.2 on kubuntu maverick i have kontact v. 4.4.6 |
| 14:38.58 | soa2ii | Hm ⦠okej then :) |
| 14:39.07 | sithlord48 | i think i remember reading the pim stuff is getting held back till 4.6 when more of the symantic desktop stuff is working correctly |
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| 14:44.59 | soa2ii | Ah ⦠haven't heard that. Thanks. |
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| 15:12.53 | Kalidarn | AH yes! |
| 15:12.56 | Kalidarn | i found out what it is |
| 15:13.07 | Kalidarn | VLC does not like Oxygen |
| 15:13.24 | Kalidarn | i changed the theme to CDE with Qtconfig |
| 15:13.27 | Kalidarn | and it works properly |
| 15:14.01 | Kalidarn | mgraesslin: would this mean I can file it under a oxygen related bug? |
| 15:16.10 | mgraesslin | Kalidarn: difficult to say, as it could be a VLC bug |
| 15:16.59 | Kalidarn | hmm |
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| 15:18.29 | Kalidarn | that said it works with every other theme, CDE, Cleanlooks, GTK+, Motif, Plastique, Windows |
| 15:18.38 | Kalidarn | i might file a bug and see where we go from there |
| 15:19.13 | mgraesslin | btw I cannot reproduce the behaviour here on Debian Testing with KDE 4.5 |
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| 15:19.33 | Kalidarn | hmm |
| 15:20.10 | mgraesslin | let's say instead of cannot reproduce, that I never noticed it |
| 15:20.19 | Kalidarn | yeah |
| 15:20.23 | Kalidarn | so you can reproduce it? |
| 15:20.41 | Kalidarn | it should be black and you should notice it looks very different if you change it to any of the other themes |
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| 15:26.19 | Kalidarn | i'll try it in a TWM session just to be sure |
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| 15:30.17 | grufti | hi |
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| 15:41.11 | Arithmos | hi |
| 15:44.18 | Arithmos | I want to report a big problem when usin gpg-agent. If i use default-cache-ttl into the .conf file, when pinentry-qt ask for the passphrase It do no take the focus. It's a reall problem because a lot of time a start to write on a lat activ window |
| 15:44.37 | Arithmos | last active |
| 15:45.13 | Arithmos | is there a solution for this whoch I do not find ? |
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| 15:46.42 | Arithmos | switch on the light :) |
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| 15:52.27 | enkidu | kdm changes keyboard layout? |
| 15:52.58 | enkidu | . |
| 15:53.00 | enkidu | 000 |
| 15:53.24 | enkidu | sorry, interference |
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| 15:56.41 | Kalidarn | enkidu: what do you mean by that |
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| 15:58.23 | Kalidarn | I've had this happen to me but i was not sure if it was VMWare http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1598034 |
| 15:58.32 | Kalidarn | enkidu: does it sound like your problem? |
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| 15:59.15 | enkidu | Kalidarn: i dont have any text browser here |
| 15:59.30 | enkidu | also, no gdm |
| 15:59.47 | Kalidarn | oh :P |
| 16:00.05 | Kalidarn | i was basically finding my shift, alt, ctrl, tab and super key would just stop working |
| 16:00.17 | Kalidarn | on the host but they'd work inside the virtual machine still |
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| 16:00.36 | Kalidarn | so i wasn't sure if it was a vmware bug or a kde one, i read somewhere on the archlinux forums about the layout changning |
| 16:01.02 | enkidu | in my case, it looks, that I have system-wide configured dvorak |
| 16:01.10 | Kalidarn | and to do setxkbmap with no arguments |
| 16:01.20 | Kalidarn | oh that's something else :P |
| 16:01.26 | dtcrshr | hello everyone! im having an annoying issue regarding an gtk app running under kde. Iv already unselected to use kde themes on gtk apps, now im trying to use gtk-qt-engine or something to fix this... anyone got more clues? |
| 16:01.49 | Kalidarn | what is the application |
| 16:02.03 | Kalidarn | what distribution |
| 16:02.33 | dtcrshr | im trying to use rivendell audio suite under kxstudio |
| 16:02.35 | pinotree | and what is the "annoying issue" |
| 16:02.40 | dtcrshr | kxstudio = kubuntu |
| 16:02.48 | pinotree | (which is what matters more :) ) |
| 16:02.58 | dtcrshr | well, like firefox it gots a dark background |
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| 16:03.25 | dtcrshr | and some text it gets a white text, making impossible to read |
| 16:04.34 | dtcrshr | Iv already choosed the lighter theme avaiable in kde menus, but yet still this apps got dark theming |
| 16:05.24 | dtcrshr | i used annoying cause iv changed themes, searched from head to tail for somewhere regarding "applying thems to gtk apps" but still nothing changes besides the kde apps, menu bar and so on |
| 16:09.14 | Kalidarn | mm well im using kubuntu and my applications are taking on the GTK theme i am using which is the oxygen look alike one |
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| 16:38.07 | dtcrshr | is there a way to use gtk apps like firefox, xchat, and some others under kde so they DONT use kde theming? I got almost all gtk apps with a dark background, even using a lighter kde theme |
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| 16:38.43 | pinotree | dtcrshr: stop using gtk-qt |
| 16:39.18 | dtcrshr | pinotree, how do i do that? remove in synaptic? |
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| 16:40.50 | pinotree | make sure the theme for gtk applications is not gtk-qt |
| 16:42.02 | dtcrshr | ok. im in system configs / appearence |
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| 16:42.43 | dtcrshr | i got an option for gtp+ appearence, wich gives me two options styles and fonts |
| 16:42.58 | dtcrshr | on styles theres "widget styles" i got qtcurve on it |
| 16:43.29 | dtcrshr | in fonts i cant choose "use another font" and use my kde fonts in gtk+ programs is checked |
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| 16:45.32 | dtcrshr | ? |
| 16:47.29 | Oleg_ | I started amarok, but there is no sound when I try to play an audio track |
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| 16:50.21 | Oleg_ | firefox vs. konqueror -which one is the best browser? |
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| 16:57.34 | dtcrshr | how do i save double monitors settings? every time i reboot i have to set them bck again |
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| 17:13.48 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 17:14.45 | rindolf | Please help me: how can I configure that opening a URL in Firefox on KDE-4.5.71 on Mandriva Cooker will not download it to the local disk and open it as file:/// but rather view the http:// | https:// directly? This has been a long going problem. Firefox is my default browser. |
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| 17:15.50 | pinotree | known problem, already fixed for kde 4.5.3 and in trunk since days already |
| 17:16.31 | rindolf | pinotree: ah. |
| 17:26.26 | Oleg_ | 4.5.71? |
| 17:27.01 | Oleg_ | I guess, he meant 4.5.1 |
| 17:27.24 | thiago_home | could be 4.5.71 |
| 17:27.37 | Oleg_ | what is it? the latest beta? |
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| 17:29.31 | Oleg_ | ok, I think it's the latest stuff from svn |
| 17:29.33 | thiago_home | no, current pre-alpha of svn |
| 17:30.25 | Oleg_ | I still remember those days when I was using kde 1.0 |
| 17:30.43 | Oleg_ | what an advanced desktop it was at that time |
| 17:30.57 | edgy | Hi, I configured kmail to my gmail account but it seems it downloads the mail twice, once in inbox and another in All Mail, I guess I should unsubsribe to "All Mail" but shall I uncheck the option for server-side subscription or local subscription? |
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| 17:35.58 | thiago_home | edgy: known problem, gmail's fault |
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| 17:36.12 | thiago_home | you have to unsubscribe from the folders you don't want to receive mail in |
| 17:36.36 | edgy | thiago_home: really? ok but I can subscribe in two ways what's the difference? |
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| 17:36.57 | thiago_home | edgy: what's the difference of what? |
| 17:38.33 | edgy | thiago_home: what's the difference between unsubsribing by right-clicking and choosing serverside subscription or choosing local subscription |
| 17:38.42 | Oleg_ | I am browsing ftp.kde.org, but can't find kde 1.0 there |
| 17:38.51 | dtcrshr__ | is there a login screen for kde such as gnone, vista.. that user can select his user from a list, instead of writing |
| 17:39.03 | thiago_home | edgy: serverside is, well, stored on the server |
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| 17:39.11 | thiago_home | the local subscription is local to your installation |
| 17:39.17 | thiago_home | it's a subset of what you have on the server |
| 17:39.26 | thiago_home | Oleg_: search for historic or old |
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| 17:40.32 | Oleg_ | by the way, I think kde 4.5.2 has a bug that doesn't allow to view documentation for installed packages |
| 17:40.54 | thiago_home | kde is not a program |
| 17:40.57 | thiago_home | did you mean kpackage? |
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| 17:41.02 | Oleg_ | you can only view the documentation for a specific package if you open the main help center |
| 17:41.07 | Oleg_ | no |
| 17:41.16 | Oleg_ | I mean, any kde program |
| 17:42.11 | edgy | thiago_home: correct me if I am wrong. this means it doesn't make a difference for my current usage but if i were to open the same account from another client, the local subscription settings won't apply and I have to set it again |
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| 17:46.24 | edgy | Oleg_: I tried now kget -> Help -> Kget help book and it works, what's your problem? |
| 17:47.28 | Oleg_ | doesn't work for me |
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| 17:48.33 | Oleg_ | it only works if I use the main help center |
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| 17:52.32 | edgy | Oleg_: I am using kde 4.5.1 btw not 4.5.2 |
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| 18:04.07 | edgy | thiago_home: I unsubcribed serverside and the All Mail folder shows in black but it still downloading the messages from the server |
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| 18:18.21 | dtcrshr__ | is there a login screen for kde such as gnone, vista.. that user can select his user from a list, instead of writing |
| 18:19.24 | sreich | kdm? |
| 18:20.11 | edgy | sreich, dtcrshr__: i think it's used to be an option in kdm but not there any longer |
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| 18:20.32 | sreich | it's still there.. |
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| 18:20.52 | sreich | it depends on which mode you are in: "themed" or "classic", iirc |
| 18:22.39 | edgy | sreich: where is that themed or classic options? |
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| 18:23.33 | edgy | sreich: there is an option called "show list" under users in kdm configuration. It's already checked |
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| 18:24.47 | edgy | dtcrshr__: you can try that option and see whether it works for you |
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| 18:27.39 | sreich | edgy: "themed greeter" |
| 18:27.43 | sreich | it's in there.. |
| 18:28.19 | sreich | although it works with the themed version, not sure abotu classic |
| 18:28.25 | sreich | and since themed is the default.. |
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| 18:33.25 | dtcrshr__ | edgy, where do i do that? |
| 18:33.52 | edgy | dtcrshr__: click the k menu and type kdm |
| 18:35.19 | edgy | dtcrshr__: or login screen |
| 18:35.32 | edgy | dtcrshr__: or kdesudo kdm from command line |
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| 18:38.24 | guerrilha | edgy, dtcrshr__ here |
| 18:38.31 | guerrilha | i have to installa new theme? |
| 18:39.03 | guerrilha | all i have here have the 2 lines for writing, im looking for a way the user click on his user, and them put the password as gdm, vista, 7, xp.. |
| 18:39.32 | edgy | sreich: themed greeter is already checked |
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| 18:39.56 | guerrilha | i got a tab "convenience" where i have automatic login and stuff |
| 18:40.08 | sreich | it depends also, on which theme you are using |
| 18:40.10 | guerrilha | my pre select user is set to last one, is this setting? |
| 18:40.20 | sreich | I believe the default "air" one doesn't have it |
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| 18:40.27 | sreich | the "oxygen" one (black one) does though |
| 18:40.54 | guerrilha | hmm |
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| 18:41.15 | guerrilha | well, ill have to reboot to try that, but its not my main problem with rebooting |
| 18:41.18 | edgy | sreich: aha, that may bi it |
| 18:41.39 | edgy | guerrilha: don't reboot just log out |
| 18:41.41 | guerrilha | the main one is that i got two monitors, and everytime i have to reconfigure the one thats on the right |
| 18:41.56 | guerrilha | isnt there a way to save the settings iv done to the screens? |
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| 19:08.28 | nsaibot | the group configuration dialog in kde sc 4.5.2's kget is broken. can someone confirm? |
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| 19:50.07 | jorn | hey guys, I just updated to kubuntu 10.10 and find myself in trouble with the memory consumption of Xorg. it seems X eats up about 920MB (virt) and 618MB (res) |
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| 19:50.45 | jorn | at the same time xrestop reports that all mem it's using is 277 MB |
| 19:51.24 | jorn | I'm using a nvidia geforce go 7600 (acer laptop). |
| 19:52.16 | jorn | i have to admit that I found X eating up more and more memory under 10.04 as well (sometimes had to restart the x server in order to free up some memory for eclipse) |
| 19:52.26 | break19 | odd. I'm running a different distro, but same environment.. and my X is showing 195M virt and 115M res |
| 19:52.49 | break19 | and I have a feeling that has nothing to do with kde itself, but is more of a distro-related issue. |
| 19:53.02 | jorn | but this time my pc is running just 1:33 hours (I played around with the desktop effects) |
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| 19:53.53 | jorn | i found posts from archlinux guys back from 2009 reporting kind of the same issues |
| 19:53.58 | uessebe | anyone with ati drivers and problems with kde+effects ? |
| 19:54.20 | jorn | is it possible that X has a memoryleak wrt. desktop effects? |
| 19:54.35 | uessebe | jorn: u have problems with effects too ? |
| 19:54.42 | uessebe | have ati driver? |
| 19:55.03 | jorn | uessebe: nope, you sort of entered the lengthy description of my probs ;) |
| 19:55.05 | jorn | nvidia |
| 19:55.12 | uessebe | puf |
| 19:55.15 | jorn | but what's your problem then? |
| 19:55.15 | uessebe | i love kde |
| 19:55.25 | uessebe | but i'm really tired |
| 19:55.26 | uessebe | of it |
| 19:55.32 | uessebe | always the same problems |
| 19:55.36 | uessebe | since version 4.4.4 |
| 19:55.41 | uessebe | stability sucks |
| 19:55.49 | uessebe | network manager sucks |
| 19:55.52 | uessebe | grrr |
| 19:56.19 | jorn | uessebe: well, fix it ;) |
| 19:56.22 | jorn | or help them fix it |
| 19:56.39 | uessebe | they dont want to fix |
| 19:57.05 | uessebe | all versions of kde i always make my internet connection in the same way |
| 19:57.09 | uessebe | using wvdial |
| 19:57.15 | uessebe | and diferent hardware |
| 19:57.21 | uessebe | in gnome it doesnt happen |
| 19:57.25 | Arithmos | xD |
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| 19:57.44 | uessebe | different version of kde diferent hardware always the same problem |
| 19:57.50 | uessebe | problems |
| 19:59.03 | uessebe | and nobody to talk |
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| 19:59.56 | jorn | uessebe: well, after your endless lines of effort turning helpful people away from this channel... |
| 20:00.26 | jorn | but ok, i have to restart x, as I'm running out of mem |
| 20:00.27 | jorn | brb |
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| 20:16.37 | ahiemstra | jorn: are you using oxygen style with animations disabled? |
| 20:16.45 | ahiemstra | eh, enabled |
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| 20:17.46 | jorn | ahiemstra: i guess so |
| 20:18.01 | ahiemstra | if you are using default settings you most likely are ;) |
| 20:18.03 | jorn | you mean desktop effects with animations? |
| 20:18.11 | ahiemstra | no, style animations |
| 20:18.18 | jorn | will have a look |
| 20:18.22 | ahiemstra | they're a separate setting in the style options |
| 20:18.28 | ahiemstra | if you are, try disabling them |
| 20:18.39 | ahiemstra | or try a completely different style |
| 20:19.12 | ahiemstra | recent nvidia drivers have serious problems with pixmap handling |
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| 20:19.26 | ahiemstra | which are triggered by oxygen as it uses a lot of them :p |
| 20:19.56 | jorn | ahiemstra: yupp, that's what I was guessing as xrestop show way less used pixmap mem than actually consumed by X |
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| 20:21.20 | jorn | ahiemstra: I'm using the "Air" theme |
| 20:21.34 | ahiemstra | that's the plasma theme |
| 20:22.03 | ahiemstra | you should look at "application appearance settings" |
| 20:22.09 | ahiemstra | or whatever that one was called |
| 20:22.10 | jorn | *g* I'm lost in those new settings... they seem to repeat over and over again |
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| 20:22.24 | jorn | oxygen |
| 20:22.29 | jorn | configuer? |
| 20:22.31 | mschiff | what happened to anonsvn.kde.org? |
| 20:22.50 | ahiemstra | mschiff: as far as i know its running |
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| 20:23.25 | mschiff | ahiemstra: but no http? |
| 20:23.30 | jorn | ahiemstra: ok, i clicked on configure and turned off the animations (whatever that means) |
| 20:23.36 | ahiemstra | svn:// should work |
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| 20:23.44 | jorn | will be back in a second ;) |
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| 20:27.48 | jorn | ok, after restarting x it only uses 383MB (virt) and 115MB (res) |
| 20:27.58 | ahiemstra | :) |
| 20:27.59 | jorn | now I'll play around with the windows a bit... |
| 20:28.00 | mschiff | has trunk/extragear/base/knetworkmanagement moved? |
| 20:28.19 | jorn | +1mb |
| 20:28.29 | jorn | +2mb |
| 20:28.52 | ahiemstra | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/base/networkmanagement/ |
| 20:29.25 | mschiff | ahiemstra: ah! thx |
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| 20:29.59 | jorn | +1mb |
| 20:30.20 | jorn | 402MB (virt), 119MB(res) |
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| 20:35.06 | jorn | opened kmail and kopete... 473 MB (virt), 224 MB (res) |
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| 20:35.36 | jorn | hmm... still seems to grow, but potentially slower ;) |
| 20:36.57 | jorn | (btw. I set the desktop effects / OpenGL Options mode to Shared Memory instead of Texture from pixmap a bit earlier... |
| 20:37.43 | jorn | but it's strange... the cpu is quite busy with xorg: around 15% avg. |
| 20:37.51 | jorn | (2 cores) |
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| 21:19.13 | jorn | hmm, still growing resource usage: X: 530 MB (virt), 303 MB (res) |
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| 21:31.06 | enkidu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:16.14 | xixor | Howdy everyone, when I try to open a movie over an SMB share in dolphin, it copies the file rather than opening it, anyone know how to get it to stream? I think it is related to this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253547 but I am not sure how to fix, anyone know? Thanks |
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| 23:02.21 | Khaotic | are the netbook and desktop version the same |
| 23:06.10 | Khaotic | are the netbook and desktop version the same |
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| 23:13.32 | Khaotic | are the netbook and desktop version the same |
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| 23:20.34 | Khaotic | are the netbook and desktop version the same |
| 23:22.00 | pinotree | just a different plasma shell (ie desktop + panels + some applets) |
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| 23:33.50 | kpkeerthi | Does anybody know why the device notifier plasmoid does not appear in the system tray in KDE 4.5? |
| 23:34.10 | kpkeerthi | I could add it to the task manager but it was really in the system tray prior to KDE 4.5? |
| 23:34.47 | kpkeerthi | Same is the case with the network manager (kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement) plasmoid |
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| 23:37.21 | enkidu | kpkeerthi: yoou can choose shown items it systray |
| 23:37.49 | BajK_ | hm is there any tip/tutorial/something for making patches? I noticed that in kdm design settings there is a âDownload new designsâ buttons but it looks totally different to the ones you are used to and there is no star at this button. I'd like to change that. But I have no idea where to begin or better - which packages/files i need to download and which i need for test the changes. |
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| 23:44.30 | Sanitoeter | hi there, is there any way to strip html from messages in kmail? |
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| 23:48.54 | kpkeerthi | enkidu:super. thanks a ton |
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| 23:50.43 | qal | Sanitoeter: strip it? as in get the HTML code or view in plaintext? |
| 23:51.48 | Sanitoeter | qal, as in view in plaintext. I often recieve html which do not contain anything besides text anyway, so I thought I can remove that |
| 23:53.29 | qal | Sanitoeter: You can disable 'Prefer HTML to plain text' in Settings > Configure KMail > Security. There's a handy shortcut you can configure to toggle the view, also. |
| 23:54.29 | Sanitoeter | Prefer HTML to plain text already is disabled. But I'll see if I can find that shortcut you mentioned :) |
| 23:55.13 | Sanitoeter | basically all I want is to get rid of clicking the Enable html view link in each mail every time |
| 23:55.30 | qal | Sanitoeter: Settings > Configure Shortcuts and search for HTML. It isn't bound to anything by default. |
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| 23:55.49 | qal | Sanitoeter: Ah, just that little link? Maybe if you edit the header theme. |
| 23:55.53 | Sanitoeter | indeed. Thanks for the tip :) |
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| 23:57.32 | Sanitoeter | or an "Always trust mails by this sender" option would be nice, too :) |
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| 23:57.46 | qal | Sanitoeter: Settings > Configure KMail > Appearance under 'Message Window' tab. 'Show HTML status bar' maybe? |
| 23:58.45 | qal | only just picked up KMail last week, is learning all of the little quirks :D |
| 23:58.49 | Sanitoeter | :) |
| 23:58.52 | Sanitoeter | no problem |
| 23:59.26 | Sanitoeter | uhm the HTML status bar is for the bar on the left side which shows whether the mail is text or html |
| 23:59.48 | Sanitoeter | I think I'll look at the available header themes |
