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02:04.06muh2000_hi
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02:27.15Tekk_it always results in an error, but if I extract the file I can run/install it fine
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04:35.06DaveWMis there a place in kde to setup margins for screen edges ?
04:35.35DaveWMi want 1-2 pixels to be left showing of my desktop around the edges,  even if i maximize an application
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05:34.39leo_rockwayDaveWM: a very ugly solution would be to put panels and make them short, but wide enough to show the amount  of edge you want. And  then make them always visible.
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05:39.35cleary_DaveWM: I don't have an answer either but I'm curious to know about the reason you want/need this?
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05:40.43DaveWMcleary_: i like to roll between workspaces with my mouse wheel,  but on the laptop the majority of the time i'm working with windows maximized,  so there's no desktop visible to roll wheel on
05:41.03cleary_that makes sense :)
05:41.19DaveWMand if there's a 2 pixel edge around everything,  i don't really have to concentrate on getting the mouse to a specific spot,  just move to side and roll
05:41.43DaveWMthat's how i do it when i'm using lxde or some other openbox variety
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05:42.51DaveWMfor the time being i'm messing with the edge activation stuff,  one corner shows all my windows to me,  another corner gives me a slab of all the work spaces,  and the other activates the cube,  but still a little slow switching with any of those compared to just rolling your mouse wheel
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05:43.31cleary_there should be an option somewhere for just pushing the mouse into the edge to switch workspace
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05:46.55DaveWMthere is,  but that's a bit annoying,  its too easy to have your mouse accidentally float on an edge too long and have things jump around on  you
05:47.39cleary_yep, except I think you can adjust the delay
05:48.20Sho_DaveWM: you can also roll your mousewheel above the pager to switch desktops btw
05:48.41cleary_Sho_: that still requires quite accurate targeting
05:48.43DaveWMyeah,  i know
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05:51.33DaveWMactually showing all the workspaces by moving mouse to  upper right corner,  and doing the desktkop cube from lower right corner,  isnt too terribly slow switching around
05:51.49DaveWMi just like the instant gratification of just rolling mouse wheel
05:51.50DaveWMheh
05:52.28Sho_you could make your bottom panel short a few px in one corner, the corner is easy to aim for and then you get to roll there
05:52.29Sho_:)
05:52.46DaveWMah... good idea
05:53.01Sho_you could also write a trivial little application that sets up x struts to do your "invisible gap" thing, though
05:53.08Sho_that's like 10 lines
05:53.37DaveWMwell,  your panel shortening idea is perfect,  dunno why i didnt think of that
05:53.54DaveWMso now i just aim for bottom right and scroll away...
05:53.55DaveWM;)
05:54.02Sho_:)
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05:57.14DaveWMone feature ms should really think more about,  workspaces that is
05:57.44Sho_they did actually release an add-on for windows xp that added basic virtual desktop support
05:57.48DaveWMgreat when you're limited on monitors or screen space
05:57.59DaveWMdid they?  hmm
05:58.08DaveWMi had found some third party apps that added it to windows
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05:58.27Sho_"Virtual Desktop Manager", it was part of the PowerToys collection
05:58.33DaveWMah,  ok
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05:58.58DaveWMprobably don't do it as well as most linux desktops though,  since its been a feature there for far longer
05:59.08Sho_yeah, it was very basic
05:59.17Sho_and had tons of problems with window focus iirc
05:59.41DaveWMyea i imagine there'd be some issues with that,  probably why its not built right into 7 for example
05:59.58DaveWMnot many software devs are concidering work spaces on windows either
06:00.40DaveWMbut hey... there's aero snap!... yay!
06:00.56Sho_which we then stole ;)
06:01.01DaveWMi think they really oversold that feature,  win7 is nice,  i like it,  but that's certainly not the selling point
06:01.02DaveWMlol
06:01.09Sho_added in 4.2 iirc
06:01.16DaveWMyea
06:01.23Sho_took martin like an hour to implement or so
06:01.55cleary_that is a feature I really miss on my gnome work machine
06:02.19cleary_so simple, but a really good idea in this day and age of very wide high res monitors
06:03.07cleary_less useful on my 1280x800 12" laptop where I run kde ;)
06:03.09Sho_yeah, it was a good idea
06:03.39DaveWMi didnt mess with kde too much until recently,  its really come a long ways,  feels much more like a full desktop experience than anything else on linux
06:03.59DaveWMquite liking it now,  got my desktop and my laptop running it atm
06:04.31DaveWMhaving some issues during boot up on both though,  i may have solved it now,  not sure,  for some reason things like to get stuck on the kubuntu splash
06:04.45DaveWMdoubt its kde specific,  more something to do with plymouth or something else
06:04.55cleary_it's plymouth for sure
06:05.01DaveWMcause kde isnt even started at that point,  i login at console
06:05.28cleary_there is a plymouth text mode which would probably cause less grief
06:06.17DaveWMon this laptop i went as far as to delete all the plymouth scripts in my init.d,  and i added all this to grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="vga=normal nomodeset nofb text nosplash"
06:06.50cleary_plymouth is a kernel dependency on ubuntu :(
06:06.55DaveWMseems like with those options,  there should be no splash shown,  yet i still get a kubuntu splash for a second or so,  and every other reboot or so,  it gets stuck on it for some reason
06:07.42DaveWMyeah,  i think i may try to do a bare debian install,  and just add kde to it
06:07.47DaveWMsee how that works out
06:08.12DaveWMi just like the ubuntu repo's ;)
06:08.33cleary_if you're after a stable release, I'd try current squeeze, which will transition to stable soon
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06:09.22cleary_if you don't mind the rolling releases, go sid, or even look at aptosid (distro previously known as sidux) which will give you an extremely quick debian sid install
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06:09.53cleary_wrt repos, funnily enough, that's why I prefer debian :)
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06:13.27DaveWMcleary_:  well i mean more that the ubuntu repo's area really loaded with tons of stuff,  and its easier to get new releases of things in ubuntu repos
06:13.43cleary_DaveWM: I disagree on both counts
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06:13.58cleary_most ubuntu packages are just rebuilt from those in debian sid repos
06:14.27cleary_the ones in debian also have better qc procedures than those that end up in universe
06:14.37DaveWMi've just found in the past that there's many things i'd end up having to install from source on debian that are in the ubuntu repo's already
06:14.50DaveWMyeah, i don't doubt that
06:14.59cleary_DaveWM: if you're working on debian stable, then that's to be expected
06:15.14cleary_what branch were you using in the past?
06:15.22DaveWMyeah,  i was thinking i was probably in stable in the past
06:15.29DaveWMi should probably go with testing next time
06:15.30DaveWMheh
06:15.55cleary_testing is still minimum 10 days behind unstable... live dangerously ;)
06:16.10DaveWMsounds exhillerating
06:16.12Sho_it's unfortunate that debian seems to be so lazy when it comes to kde lately
06:16.24DaveWMSho_:  what you mean ?
06:16.48DaveWMi'm liking kde enough atm,  that if you tell me that there's issues with kde on debian, you might change my mind
06:16.50cleary_Sho_: no - they are in the release freeze
06:16.54DaveWMabout using debian i mean
06:17.24cleary_Sho_: http://qt-kde.debian.net/
06:17.29cleary_KDE SC 4.5.1
06:17.42Sho_well, with both the 4.4 and 4.5 releases they started packaging it pretty damn late. other distros like fedora start packaging with the pre-releases, so they're ready on release of the final. but the debian peeps seem to wake up when a new final rolls around and then appear askind "huh, what do you mean there's new dependencies we need to package".
06:18.31cleary_Sho_: it wasn't laziness though, iirc there was some difficult package transitions that were holding them back from getting it done in a timely fashion
06:18.58cleary_for 4.4 at least
06:19.03Sho_well, MoDaX's exact words when I talked to him about it once were "lack of interest"
06:19.11Sho_but maybe he had a bad day that day.
06:19.23cleary_having said that, I don't have exposure to that side so I'm working off what I saw and heard around the traps
06:19.58cleary_from what I can see, there is still a bit of interest in it
06:21.11Sho_[Sunday 14 February 2010] [01:06:42 am] <Sho_>  MoDaX: still kinda surprised though, the pre-releases are also for distros to get their act together
06:21.13Sho_[Sunday 14 February 2010] [01:06:48 am] <Sho_>  starting cold with a final doesn't seem all that wise
06:21.14Sho_[Sunday 14 February 2010] [01:08:58 am] <MoDaX> Sho_: no, I'm not surprised at all. I just didn't care about it (lack of time and interest). nobody else cared too much either
06:21.16Sho_[Sunday 14 February 2010] [01:09:25 am] <Sho_>  nobody in debian cared about packaging KDE?
06:21.18Sho_[Sunday 14 February 2010] [01:10:36 am] <MoDaX> no
06:21.47cleary_at some point I should look into trying to provide a little extra manpower there
06:21.48Sho_that was around 4.4 though
06:22.05Sho_things change fast of course, and I don't know who's on it right now actually
06:22.30Sho_and as you pointed out they seem to have 4.5.1 now
06:23.16cleary_from what I understand, gkiagia was the main man behind that
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06:49.49lazy_bumHello.
06:50.08Sho_hi lazy_bum
06:50.17lazy_bumIs there a good place to post bluedevil crash reports?
06:50.45Sho_http://bugs.kde.org/
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06:53.15lazy_bumAfair someone on bugs.kde pointed some irc chan and/or (?) mail list to do that.
06:53.52Sho_the place to report bugs is the bug tracker
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06:59.46EffBeeIs there a way to disable fetching of extra metadata in certain directories in Dolphin?
07:00.33EffBeeI have a WebDAV mount and if I access it using webdavs:// kioslave, it's fine
07:01.03EffBeeIf I access it in the davfs mount point, the server is taxed and a ridiculous amount of bandwidth is sent back and forth just to fetch the metadata in the files...
07:01.07EffBeeIs there a way to disable this?
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07:07.32EffBeeOkay, if I disable previews the issue seems to go away
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08:48.26kadet_12hi
08:48.51kadet_12does someone know if there are some tricks to improve kwin performance on oss radeon driver?
08:50.42kadet_12there are tricks for nvidia card owners, but something like this will be good for radeon owners as well
08:51.23cb400fdunno.. but you can always tweak which effects are used, and the settings of individual effects... and also consider non-kwin related factors like the oxygen widget style and oxygen windeco which have a shitload of little animations that might cause trouble
08:53.38kadet_12cb400f: thanks, I'll give it a try
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08:54.12kadet_12effects worked quite good in KDE 4.4.x, but there's a big amount of flickering in 4.5
08:54.37cb400fthen I guess your main suspect should be the new blur effect
08:54.40kadet_12however, I'm using Arch, so maybe it's not related to KDE exactly, but graphic stack
08:54.56kadet_12cb400f: blur is being disabled automatically
08:55.06cb400fright.. if you basesystem is an ever-moving quicksand it's hard to tell :-)
08:55.09cb400fok
08:55.16kadet_12cb400f: exactly ;)
08:56.11kadet_12I'll wait for new mesa etc. and I'll see if it will be better
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09:01.01IDHWGood morning everyone. I'm having an issue with pam_mount, in that I want to mount a NAS through pam_mount while using login credentials that are stored on that NAS and are not the same as my login on the workstation. Anyone got an idea on how to accomplish this?
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11:02.42tsdhHi.  I've just installed a new comic in the plasma comic widget using the "Get new comics..." button.  In that dialog, it's shown as installed.  Unfortunately, the comic isn't shown nor is it listed in the comic strip settings.  I use KDE 4.5.1.  What am I doing wrong?
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11:16.21bart_is there any way to mass-move (mv) files using a terminalcommand when they have 'forbidden' characters?
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11:20.50cb400fdo you actually want to move them? or just mass-rename?
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11:23.23rosco_yCan anyone recommend software for software Interface design?
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11:24.22cb400fqt designer
11:24.36cb400fmaybe that's integrated in qt creator these days?
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11:25.10RLahttp://img401.imageshack.us/i/thisdevice.png/ <- please any of kde devs, can you tell me what is "this device"?
11:25.30RLait pops up after reboot
11:27.16cb400fbetter ask your distro.. kdesudo is not really a kde thing.. but a guess would be that you've ran something as root or with kdesudo and kde session management is trying to restore it
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11:28.59RLahm, ok
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11:30.50RLayeah found it, the message seems to be from kubuntu 10.x patched-in translation messages
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11:37.32bart_cb400f: I want to move them from on disk to another
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11:38.20bart_But a bitchy Mac OS X allowed to name directories like 'this is/one directory' and filenames like 'and/this/is/a . file'
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12:09.08JackWintersince i upgraded from 4.4.6 to 4.5.1 i am plagued with a missbehaving X server (nvidia), many times racing, consuming an entire core and beeing unbearably slow.  still reluctant to nuke all my kde config files :)  was wondering if someone else had seen something similar and knew a fix?  btw compositing is turned off
12:10.54pinotreethen try with a new user
12:11.49JackWinterok, but that won't be my normal environment...  so no known problems, except for the blur thing?
12:12.47JackWinteri really have no plasma stuff installed except for what's in the standard panel
12:14.59ahiemstraJackWinter: nvidia blob is the known problem
12:15.34JackWinterahiemstra: i know, am suffering for a long time already.  just don't know what to get instead...
12:15.45ahiemstraradeon ;)
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12:16.09VaterGarpThe times they are a'changing...
12:16.16ahiemstraor if you dont need 3d, you could try noveau
12:16.24ahiemstranouveau*
12:16.31JackWinteror actually i'm not suffering, so far it's been working pretty well.  the biggest problem (for me) has been that the opengl driver cause audio dropouts at low latency.
12:16.43VaterGarpIf you want decent graphics support, you should get yourself an ATI (!) graphics card
12:17.00JackWinternouveua was horrible for low latency audio when i last tried (2 months ago)
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12:18.22JackWintermy aging celeron laptop with intel 810 chipset is working perfectly well in kde, even with compositing enabled
12:18.33ahiemstraright :)
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12:28.36fantihello! where can i disable spell-checking for kmail ?
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12:30.20VaterGarpfanti: From inside the "New mail" window -> Options -> Automatic spellchecking
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12:30.34fantiVaterGarp: ah, thank you
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12:30.58VaterGarpYou're welcome
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12:34.16LaugarhraunHi
12:34.32LaugarhraunI got a problem with kmail and colored backgrounds in HTML mails
12:34.57LaugarhraunI often recieved ugly mails with a colored background and text in white
12:35.06Laugarhraunhowever, the background of kmail remains white
12:35.19Laugarhraunhow can I configure kmail to display the color of the background
12:35.39Laugarhraun(and eventually send mails with colored backgrounds, although it seems impossible according to google)
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12:41.32Laugarhraunanyone...?
12:42.00twikquestion: winkde.org is down, anyone knows when it will be up again?
12:43.04burguano idea
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12:44.03twikdl'd installer from mirror, tried to install, failed b/c couldn't mirror.lst from winkde.org
12:44.56twikq: qny way to make installer refer directly to a mirror?
12:45.27JackWinterhmm, found a post suggesting that the combination oxygen theme and nvidia does not work well and that loading another theme will solve the problem.  first results are positive, but will have to run it for a while to be certain.
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12:50.55cb400fJackWinter: disable animations for the oxygen windeco too ;-)
12:51.21twikIs this the right place to ask this question: rgd winkde-installer, any way to make installer refer directly to a mirror?
12:51.35cb400fbetter try #kde-windows
12:51.43twikthanks
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13:04.29JackWinterwell, still had some problems, but restarted kde with the elegance theme, and it seems like many problems are gone.  before konversation would take 10 seconds or so before i could type in it. gone.  kate is much more responsive again.  hope it stays this way because i was kinda going crazy waiting for 4.5.2 :)
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13:05.35JackWinterworking beautifully at the moment.
13:05.45JackWinterknocks on wood :)
13:05.57cb400fdisabling all the oxygen animations in oxygen-settings goes a long way too
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13:07.55JackWintersuppose i can live with the elegance theme for a while.  i actually already changed the panel to a darker one in the default theme since i like darker colours
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13:10.37JackWinteroh yeah, this is loads more responsive than what i had the last few week
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13:44.38Max__Is smb4k developed/maintained by the KDE team?
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13:48.08narugawahi all
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13:49.07pinotreeMax__: it is developed by the smb4k people
13:49.18Max__Ok
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13:49.32cb400fbut it's developed in kde svn now right?
13:49.44pinotreeyes
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13:50.01Max__I'll ask here anyway. You're smart peoples...
13:50.52Max__When I try to mount a device on my network I get "This program is not installed setuid root - "user" CIFS mounts not supported."
13:50.58Max__Help?
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14:01.17tmcguireIs therea shortcut to hide/show the Plasma Panel?
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14:02.05cb400fthere will be (I think).. will stephenson is implementing manual hiding
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14:02.30cb400fbut currently no.. there's auto-hide or no hide
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14:02.51cb400fand "windows can cover"
14:03.49tmcguirethanks again, cb400f :)
14:04.29cb400fnp :-)
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14:14.58AlexC_morning
14:15.28AlexC_I've found when creating directories within Dolphin, and in any KDE open/save dialog when creating a new directory through this - what exactly am I reporting the bug agaisnt here?
14:15.39AlexC_s/found/found a bug
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14:20.51VaterGarpAlexC_: Ask in #kde-devel maybe
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14:23.56pinotreeAlexC_: kfile, but it is not an issue, as the bug can be reassigned easily
14:24.31AlexC_pinotree: doh, already submitted now https://bugs.kde.org/post_bug.cgi
14:24.39alsurendoes anyone else here use plasma with a non-composited window manager?
14:24.56AlexC_https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251830 even
14:25.32alsurenI'm getting my windows randomly corrupted when plasma pops up those display things
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14:27.20alsuren(eg the "Desktop 1" tooltip thingie) but it doesn't happen if I turn compositing on in kwin
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16:01.39SpeedVinHello!
16:01.59spacy213hello speed
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16:02.10SpeedVinI can't find it...
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16:05.39JackWinterah yes, my kde is still nice and fast with another theme.  me very happy now :)
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17:08.26whoeverhi al need some help with power managment, i am trying to set it up so that after x minuts the screen will go to standby, but what is happening is that with standby checked it power managment and dim monitor checked what happens is my box gos into a comma state and i have to restart it
17:08.33whoevercan some one help
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17:27.58aseigowhoever: sounds like a (unfortunately fairly typical type of) problem with power management and suspension in linux.
17:28.14aseigowhoever: probably one of those "given your kernel version and driver mix, you just can't do those two things together"
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17:37.34whoeveraseigo: but here the strage part it works fine if i use xscreensaver not kdes
17:38.19whoeverwhat is the name of kdescreenasaver i can't find it
17:39.46whoeveri think the prob is kde power managment, gnome works fine
17:39.53aseigowhoever: it's probably doing different things, triggering the problem. please report a bug against powerdevil on bugs.kde.org .. be sure to include what hardware you are using
17:40.24aseigoit could be. it could also be that it's calling different parts of the power management system or in a different order, triggering the problem
17:40.48whoeveraseigo: i have no real evidence to place with it other then a complaint, is that enough
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17:41.33aseigowhoever: note the hardware, the configuration you have selected and the symptoms of the problem. that is enough. be as descriptive as possible (e.g. what a "coma" means precisely, etc)
17:41.45aseigothat'll be good enough for a start at least
17:42.08aseigothe screensaver is part of krunner, or at least the management of it is ... the screensavers themselves are separate processes
17:42.28whoeveraseigo: ok thx , trying a few last ditch efforts before doing that thx
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17:42.45aseigothere's a kscreenlocker app as well that helps with that
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18:21.46cobra-the-jokerhey guys ,,, when i try to run kdepim .. it gives me some error report ... http://paste.opensuse.org/90307761
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18:27.15Illusioneerso the *.desktop files that would have been icons are moved in KDE 4.x?
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18:31.20aseigoIllusioneer: "would have been icons" <-- which icons are you refering to?
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18:32.52aseigocobra-the-joker: looks like akonadi is crashing ... try running: akonadictl status
18:33.13aseigocobra-the-joker: if that says it isn't running then try: akonadictl start .. and then status again
18:33.52cobra-the-jokerhttp://paste.opensuse.org/1403455
18:34.00aseigocobra-the-joker: if it still says it isn't running, then indeed, it is crashing. the backtrace given in that output you provided isn't very detailed; installing the debug packages for akonadi and qt maybe helpful
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18:37.11Hedronhi everybody
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18:37.35Hedronrecently I am wandering about one thing regarding kde - customization
18:37.50Hedronyes, there are a lot of options for almost everything
18:38.00Hedronbut I am talking about theming
18:38.38HedronI remain under the impression, that the only way to create theme (not a qtcurve or bespin style) is to code
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18:39.46HedronI am wandering, are there plans to introduce pixmap theming, so everyone can contribute, regardless if he/she is a programer?
18:40.45cobra-the-jokeraseigo , any thing about that issue ?
18:41.31HedronI mean something like plasma themes, but for the widgets themselves
18:42.06Hedronso the user can create images, arange them in some standart way and use them as themes
18:43.41aseigocobra-the-joker: nothing more than what i've already said so far...
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18:43.58cobra-the-jokerok
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18:45.35aseigoHedron: there isn't anyone working on a comprehensive solution for that afaik ...
18:46.44HedronI personally would, but I am not so good on C++ and Qt
18:46.52Hedronjust making first steps in both
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18:53.49aseigoHedron: i honestly wouldn't bother right now. the widget styling system is likely going to change radically in the next couple of years in Qt, and doing such an engine is non-trivial, at least if the desired results are something that doesn't look like it came out of the 90s
18:54.29aseigois personally much happier with a few great themes than a whole bunch of half-baked static themes ...
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18:56.34Hedronyes, maybe you are right, however even though oxygen is nice, it is just not enough for many users, bespin is realy hard to configure and qtcurve is almost as hard as bespin to get a good result
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18:57.33Hedronand I personally think, that there are really good gnome setups out there
18:57.46Hedronand most of them use similar theming mechanism
18:57.55Hedronimages that is
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18:58.42Hedrondo not get me wrong, I really like KDE, this is the reason for me to use it for the last 10 years
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18:59.00Hedronmuch more functional software
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19:07.42Hedronby all, have a nice evening
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19:24.04LantiziaHey anyone got any good resources on how to make kwin themes?
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19:24.59cb400fkwin window decorations are more than just "themes".. guess you want to look at aurorae for making simple themes
19:26.16Lantiziacb400f, I just want to make the window title/borders part - the actual part the window manager uses
19:26.36zoisshey guys. is there a way to synchronize my calendar/contacts on my nokia cellphone with kontact?
19:27.45cb400ffor "one way" syncing you can prolly just send the contacts in .vcf format.. for "bidirectional" syncing I thinks not
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19:28.38cb400fmaybe nokia will port their pc-suite to Qt soon :-) .. or write an appropriate akonadi resource
19:28.59cb400f.. or maybe not
19:29.48zoiss:] well I'm hoping something will be working soon using syncml
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19:32.39mgraesslinLantizia: http://techbase.kde.org/User:Mgraesslin/Aurorae
19:33.04mgraesslinand to cb400f: nowadays KWin decorations are themeable :-)
19:33.32cb400foh? as in since 4.5? or in trunk?
19:34.02neha__how to get back the default settings of the panel
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19:35.32cb400fneha__: kde version?
19:35.55neha__kde-4.4.2
19:36.15cb400fthen there's no way.. other than "resetting" your entire plasma-desktop
19:36.28neha__its fine but how to do it
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19:37.24r4tuneopensuse upgraded my kde, and my task panel has moved to the other monitor, how can i make it come back on this one
19:37.37cb400fopensuse did no such thing
19:37.45r4tunesure they did
19:37.50r4tuneand i just dragged it across
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19:38.38neha__how to unmount usb in kde-4.4.2
19:38.55r4tunemake sure your not in the directory that is the usb stick
19:39.00cb400fopen dolphin.. right click on the thing in the left panel
19:39.02r4tunethen click the eject button in dolphin
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19:39.32r4tuneim not sure about tis new panel it goes across both screens
19:39.34r4tunemental
19:39.41r4tunethinks it will grow on him
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19:44.49r4tunekde is being weird now i don't get it
19:44.59r4tunethe dual monitor support has gone all wonky
19:45.09r4tunewhen i maximize a window it goes over both desktops
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19:45.46r4tuneprograms that start in the centre of the screen are starting displayed with half and half on each monitor
19:46.24r4tunetwiddles some options
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19:53.53r4tunei can't make it stop
19:54.04r4tunehow can i make it stop using the two monitors like that
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19:54.18r4tuneif i maximize a window i want it to maximize on one monitor only
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19:54.36r4tuneupgraded to a newer version of kde and then this started happening
19:55.03r4tuneQt: 4.6.3
19:55.05r4tuneKDE Development Platform: 4.5.1 (KDE 4.5.1)
19:55.06r4tuneKWin: 4.5.1 (KDE 4.5.1)
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19:59.33cb400fthat should teach you about messing around with unsupported repos :-) .. there'll be regressions and changes
20:01.01r4tunesomeone was on crack when they thought this was a good idea
20:01.08r4tuneheh
20:01.22r4tuneguess i'll just have to downgrade and stop tracking factory
20:01.33r4tunei can't work like this
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20:04.09robinrwhere are the addressboosks configured?
20:04.13r4tune3 packages to upgrade, 224 to downgrade, 1 to remove, 226  to change vendor.
20:04.14r4tuneOverall download size: 435.8 MiB. After the operation, 48.7 MiB will be freed.
20:04.15r4tuneContinue? [y/n/?] (y): y
20:04.17r4tuneheh
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20:04.23robinrkmail has one, the addressbook another and these seem unable to communicate
20:05.02robinra problem is that I can edit what's in the Kaddressbook, but not use it in kmail
20:05.15robinrand what is in kmail, I cannot edit
20:05.28robinrany ideas?
20:05.52r4tunestill kde 4.5.1 was pretty cool until this monitor thing went mental
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20:06.04r4tunei'm looking forward to getting it back on my system
20:06.05r4tune:)
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20:06.18Phoulis there a way to get more screensavers for kde4
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20:11.40robinris there any hope for KDE?
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20:13.45r4tunehey it stopped
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20:13.59r4tuneit's a bug, it only happened because i switched to a VT while kwin was loading
20:14.18r4tunei restarted kde without doing that and it's not going whacky anymore
20:15.12r4tunesweet
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20:16.32robinrAah, googled for "kmail disaster" and found it
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20:17.33robinrapparently I'm an idiot that don't understand how good the program is :(
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20:36.18Phoulis there a way to get more screensavers for kde4
20:38.07Phoul:P
20:38.31cb400fhttp://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=30
20:38.47cb400fwhat distro are you using? .. I have hundreds of those things out of the box
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20:39.37Phoulopensuse for kde4
20:40.15linux_opis it possible to have vista/win7 type icons in gnome by that I mean on mouse over the icon turns into a block
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20:42.21Phoullol your asking a gnome question in a kde channel
20:42.22Phoulfunny
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20:43.03linux_opPhoul: #gnome is dead
20:43.11PhoulYea well #kde isnt gona help xD
20:43.18linux_ophehe
20:43.23PhoulYour have more luck with #linux
20:43.31linux_opwhat does kde stand for?.
20:43.31Phoulgoing to a specific channel for another DE isnt gona get you far
20:43.38linux_opcan't seem to find the meaning in wikipedia
20:44.07linux_opits not on their website
20:44.08szalit used to be 'K Desktop Environment', but this 'long name' was dropped recently
20:44.22PhoulIt is on wikipedia aswell
20:45.02linux_opoww
20:45.03linux_opfound it
20:45.08linux_opits named after the dragon
20:45.42linux_opdoes compiz work well in kde?.
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20:48.35ungethymlinux_op: KDE Plasma Desktop has it's own window manager kwin with similar effects like compiz.
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20:51.58linux_opis gnome 3 trying to copy kde's activity feature?. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/GNOME_Shell.png
20:52.10linux_opor is that something completely different
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20:52.20pinotreesomething to ask in a gnome channel, not in a kde one
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20:53.10pinotreeps: the gnome irc channels are on irc.gnome.org, not on freenode
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22:06.01mbanahow do i get 9,5 and the font size in kate
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22:09.33mbanahello?
22:09.38ompaulmbana: how about clicking on tools and then
22:10.32ompaulmbana: sorry, click on settings and then fonts and type 9.5 not 9.0
22:10.52mbanai tried that
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22:14.37ompaulmbana: my attitude to the fonts however is similar to this article,  http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/41260  it may be that you only get those fonts in html docs I can't see how a .c file is going to embed and make use of font info :)
22:14.41szalmbana: maybe you didn't try hard enough, works like a charm in KWrite..  don't intend to install Kate now though just to check
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22:15.07szalompaul: that's an editor setting anyway, not a document setting
22:15.56mbanawhat _are_ you talking about
22:16.03mbanaim trying to use a 9.5 mono font
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22:16.34JackWinterhow do i add additional languages to kde?  spellchecking etc?
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22:17.41szalmbana: if it's a bitmap font, the size is hardcoded, so you can only choose what it offers you as a size
22:18.08mbanathis is a kde issue.  in emacs i can use 9.5 as the font size.  it's dejavu sans mono
22:18.12mbanaor kate issue
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22:20.59szalmbana: what version anyway?
22:21.21mbanakate 3.2.2 kde 4.3.2
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22:24.12ompaulis running 3.4.5 / 4.4.5 I can manipulate the fonts as required so I can't comment on your version as I don't have it installed
22:24.25mbanaare talking about kate here?
22:24.28ompaulyes
22:24.39mbanacan u show me a screenshot please
22:24.41szalworks problem-free in Kate 3.4.5 (KDE 4.4.5)
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22:26.51mbanawhere is the setting stored?  i'll change it manually
22:27.41szalmbana: you too should have Settings -> Configure Kate
22:28.15mbanai do
22:28.23mbanabut it doesn't allow me to enter 9.5
22:28.29mbanawhere is that stored on disk
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22:29.41szalmbana: perhaps you should upgrade your KDE instead of looking for dirty hacks ;)
22:30.01Torchagrees with szal.
22:30.19Torchmbana: however, it's in $HOME/.kde/share/config/kateschemarc
22:31.09ompaulmbana: it works on the version I have and I can overtype 9.0 with 9.5 given the versions stated, please see as you wanted http://imagebin.ca/view/K7NhuI.html
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22:33.23mbanaah crap.  didn't work.  i;ll look at upgrading
22:33.25mbanathank you all
22:33.38Torchmbana: support for fractional font sizes was added for kde 4.4, IIRC.
22:33.52pinotree4.5
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22:36.40Torchpinotree: the 4.4.0 tag seems to have it though
22:36.47Torchhttp://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.4.0/kdelibs/kdeui/fonts/kfontchooser.cpp?view=log
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22:37.15pinotreeoh, time flies...
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22:37.51Torchpinotree: ;-)
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22:52.21mbanawhen does that new ubuntu come out
22:54.09ompaul_1010 about the 20th on a thursday
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22:59.26mbanai think i might upgrade to the lts 10.04
22:59.29mbanathat should do it right?
22:59.50ompaul_no idea running debian sid in the form of aptosid
23:00.56Torchmbana: #kubuntu
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23:15.08arielmthi.  i'm using kde 4.4.2 on ubuntu 10.04, and i'm using kde's fish protocol to connect to another ubuntu 10.04 machine.  i'm able to load files fine in programs like kwrite/kate, but whenever i save a file, the client side stalls with no errors, just a progress bar moving like a ceylon's eye, and the file on the server side gets truncated to zero bytes.  what am i doing wrong?
23:16.00James147_arielmt: try using sftp instead of fish
23:16.05clearyhi arielmt - I've found fish a bit unreliable over the last 12months or so, could I recommend trying the direct replacement sftp?
23:16.31James147_cleary:  :D
23:16.37arielmtdo i just format the url as sftp://myserver/path/to/my/file.txt instead of fish:// ?
23:16.50clearyarielmt: correct
23:16.51pinotreeyes
23:16.55James147_arielmt: yup
23:17.43clearyarielmt: another tool you may be interested in, man gvfs-mount
23:18.50clearycombined with gvfs-fuse, you can mount your sftp machine, and provide standard posix access via ~/.gvfs/<mount-point>
23:19.04clearyso you aren't tied to sftp aware applications
23:20.28clearyeg gvfs-mount  sftp://myuser@myserver:port/
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23:21.04arielmtthanks
23:21.06clearyls -l ~/.gvfs/sftp\ for\ user\ on\ myserver/
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23:29.12Torchnotes that gvfs is a gnome tech thingy.
23:30.11arielmtaye
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23:30.26Torchas a non-de-solution, there's sshfs.
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